Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [SAC] OSGeo SAC Meeting highlights
Yes, we should be able to start the transfer soon. I want to make sure we have the current DNS settings before starting, and I'm waiting to hear from QGIS PSC that they will take QGIS.us So should happen this week, though might want until FedGeoDay is over to make sure nothing is disrupted this week. Thanks, Alex On 6/6/20 1:46 PM, Jody Garnett wrote: Thanks for the update :) Indeed a lot accomplished. Are their any updates for domain name transfers from planet federal? On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:31 PM Regina Obe wrote: We had a meeting today - sadly only wildintellect, robe, and jef contributed, but I feel we got a lot accomplished. Discussions were 1. How to deal with OSGeo4W and other (Windows / Mac build ) needs -- I think more research needs to be done here. I started a page as to my understanding of needs and what research needs to be done to push forward. Feel free to add to this page https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC_Shared_Building_Services 2. How to convert wiki authentication to use our LDAP so it's like the other services we offer? Now that wiki has been migrated to latest version and Latest Debian OS - we are ready to start work on this. I sent a note to the most promising contractor proposal we received and he said he can do it. I'll let you know once we find out more details about this. So the general plan is as follows: 1. Do some trial tests in dev environment I setup (that is a backup of production wiki and secure (our ldap) ) 2. Then push changes to production once we are comfortable we have the work flow right Workflow: Users log in with their current wiki user and then log in again with their LDAP credentials. Information about their LDAP user would be added to their wiki account and, in the future, they could use their LDAP credentials to log into their wiki user account. We ideally will not allow any new wiki accounts to be created (outside of LDAP). Eventually after some grace period we would then retire the original wiki login method in favor of LDAP. Thanks, Regina ___ Sac mailing list s...@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac ___ Sac mailing list s...@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [SAC] OSUOSL mirror link on download page
On 11/29/19 7:48 AM, Regina Obe wrote: We never got around to load balancing our download.osgeo.org with the osuosl ftp one. Part of me is thinking maybe it's not worth it to do so especially since the osuosl one is not real time - could lag by hours. So instead, I just put the link to their mirror on our download page. https://download.osgeo.org/ in cases where we may need extra bandwidth e.g. QGIS downloads. the other benefit to theirs is it does support the ftp protocol in addition to http. Let me know if anyone has issues with this change. Thanks, Regina I think we should still work towards load balancing. The OSUOSL service has a more robust bandwidth within their rack networking. I'm not as worried about the time delay, on big releases this will help reduce the load on the primary machine, which will keep the other services uninterrupted. It's really about public facing downloads, for internal builds etc projects should still just rely on the main server. Normal users will not know to click the alternate (not QGIS.org can do their load balancing on their server if we tell them the other server address). No issue, with mentioning it on the pages, so that people know an alternate link is available. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki Clean-Up
On 02/09/2016 05:17 PM, Landon Blake wrote: > I'm trying to clean-up some of the Incubation pages on the wiki. Any idea > how I delete a page? I've banged my head on this problem for 30 minutes and > can't find the answer. > > Please let me know if you've got the answer. > > Thanks! > > Landon > On the tabs next to edit, there's a "More" I see delete under that. If you're not seeing that option it's probably a permissions thing. Moving this over to the System Admin Committee list where the admins will see it. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM
This is not feasible on OSGeo hardware. The system, bandwidth, staff requirements are all well beyond what we have. Something like this would need to be outsourced to a cloud service provider. I'm not convinced this really works in general for any desktop applications without quite a lot more than average bandwidth. I don't even get great desktop performance between machines on my own campus over 1 GB networks. Not that I don't use remote desktops, but I don't try to do gui GIS or graphics software for more than minor things. I would recommend several universities that are part of the network and want to try this method, put forward a proposal that could be grant funded (FYI Amazon has such a program for prototyping on it's cloud by providing credits). What OSGeo SAC can offer is official accounts on various services for maintenance of official OSGeo-Live images for cloning by end users. End user pay-as-you-go is the only financially reasonable method for wide deployment. Obviously various workshop hosters can work out who actually pays for what. I would also consider that in addition to hosting full OSGeo-Live instances, we should create a system around something like Docker to allow people to deploy subsets for specific workshops (e.g. a web workshop with geoserver, postgis, and openlayers). Non-desktop applications would perform fine over distant connections using standard ports 22/80/443. These recipes, combined with official images in the popular services should make it easier for people to deploy classrooms worth of VMs for their needs. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Sys Admin Chair On 11/11/2015 10:28 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: > Hi Suchith, > > Thanks for following up on this issue. > I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC. > How about: > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37 > > > Best, > Angelos > > On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote: >> Hi Angelos, >> >> May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you >> suggested. As you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, >> please lead this and contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move >> these ideas forward. >> >> Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and >> efforts for this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our >> education efforts and also the wider community in the future. Esp .for >> universities and education globally , there is definitely help in >> easily organising the practical/tutorial sessions . This will also >> help in our aim to get more universities start teaching using OSGeo >> software. Also it will be useful for those running OSGeo >> workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events) etc can make >> use of this service. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Suchith >> >> >> >> From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on >> behalf of Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM >> To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org >> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service >> that runs the OSGeo-Live VM >> >> Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed >> to these discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the >> wider community and users who want a cloud service can let their >> views known and how they would use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live >> cloud service. >> >> That way, we will get better idea if there is need/demand and a >> sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained >> with each OSGeo-Live release. >> >> All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron >> summarised for OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions >> we had so far in education and live lists. If you are able to >> contribute to this , please let us all know. Thanks. >> >> Suchith >> >> >> From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on >> behalf of Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM >> To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org >> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service >> that runs the OSGeo-Live VM >> >> I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I >> summarize: >> >> 1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack >> http://www.synnefo.org/ >> So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure >> and have a Free Software solution. >> Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance. >> https://www.openstack.org/software/ >> We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible. >> >> 2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward: >> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html >> >> https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/ >> >> Any other options in
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?
On 10/14/2015 03:07 AM, Sandro Santilli wrote: > Are there no more sponsors for OSGeo, or is the sponsors page broken ? > http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors > > If you ask google, it gives big visibility to AutoDesk as a sponsor: > https://www.google.it/search?q=osgeo+sponsors > Taking you to a page (hosted by osgeo) with many links back to proprietary > software solutions (all links seem broken right now). > > Is there a policy defined about which outgoing links are or aren't > accepted on the OSGeo website ? > > --strk; To clarify, part of the confusion appears to be that if you google search: osgeo sponsors The site links presented by google include 3 results under osgeo.org, one of which is to http://www.osgeo.org/sponsors/autodesk No other sponsor appears to get their own subpage on osgeo.org (only links). Since it doesn't appear that Autodesk is a current sponsor (someone feel free to correct me), and all sponsors should get similar treatment, I have disabled the page in question from public viewing. Hopefully it will vanish from google at some point. Do we have a google analytics account? If so we have some control over these sitelinks. http://www.relishtraymedia.com/blog/bid/257788/SEO-Sitelinks-How-to-Get-Google-Subheadings-in-Search-Results Forwarding to SAC to look into generating a more useful sitemap.xml and tinkering with Sitelinks. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case
This might just be an accidental bit of confusion. At some point the Marketing and Outreach committee did want to make sure that all OSGeo projects had listings on OpenHub because we pull these stats into OSGeo-Live and other materials. We also wanted all OSGeo projects to show up if someone looked at the OSGeo org (this is a way to market the projects). I don't think we ever intended to misrepresent who owns the copyrights, trademarks, etc... Looking at the page I don't see Owner as a field. I only see Organization and I'm not clear if a project can be part of more than 1 Org. This seems like something we can easily resolve. Are you asking us to remove the Organization link? Please state exactly what you expect us to fix. Thanks, Alex On 09/18/2015 01:26 AM, Peter Baumann wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > no problem: on the OpenHub page for rasdaman, OSGeo is listed as owner. This > is > misinformation, owner is rasdaman GmbH. > You are right, this upsets me, and I am requesting that OSGeo restores the > real > owner immediately. > > -Peter > > > > On 2015-09-17 22:56, Jeff McKenna wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> It may be early here at FOSS4G-Seoul, but I am finding it hard to understand >> your full issue. Can you please explain here to everyone what you mean by "I >> found that OSGeo has claimed rasdaman at some >> time in the past". Claimed how/where/in what way? As far as I know, >> rasdaman >> is an OSGeo Project in Incubation, and, having been at the OSGeo booth here >> most of this week I have spoken to many people coming to the booth about >> rasdaman. So, pardon me if I am in the total dark here, maybe you could >> explain more to everyone, as I sense that you are upset. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -jeff >> >> >> >> On 2015-09-18 1:21 AM, Peter Baumann wrote: >>> Hello community, >>> >>> here is another real case that I would like to raise. >>> >>> rasdaman [0] is listed on OpenHub [1], like many of us, with owner rasdaman >>> GmbH >>> set originally. By coincidence I found that OSGeo has claimed rasdaman at >>> some >>> time in the past. >>> >>> To my total surprise, as rasdaman is in incubation since about 5 years now >>> [2], >>> and since quite some time OSGeo refuses graduation requiring this and that >>> extra >>> documentation. >>> >>> I find this undercover misappropriation a gross violation of professional >>> ethics >>> and request to immediately "give back" the project as a remedial action. I >>> could >>> do it myself, but recently OpenHub requires a phone number to be entered to >>> which, as blog comments show, spam will get sent. IMO it is on OSGeo to >>> bring >>> this sacrifice. >>> >>> Actually, I know who has "stolen ownership", but will not disclose identity >>> publicly following suggested practice. >>> >>> Rather, I am seeking contact to and investigation by the CoC Committee (or >>> whoever is in charge). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>> [0] http://www.rasdaman.org >>> [1] https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman >>> [2] http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeo >>> >>> PS: On the side, this IMHO justifies an amendment of the CoC rules to >>> prevent >>> such a case in future. >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open source / open data related to addressing/geocoding
On 04/21/2015 01:10 AM, Serena Coetzee wrote: Dear all, on Thursday this week, I am presenting about open source and open data to the Addressing Group of the Universal Postal Union (UPU), a UN organization with 192 member countries [1]. If you know about interesting open source software or open data related to addressing and/or geocoding, let me know. Anything that I receive by Wednesday evening, I could include in the presentation. [1] www.upu.int Regards, -- Serena Coetzee Geography Building 3-5 Centre for Geoinformation Science, Department Geography, Geoinformatics and Meteorology, University of Pretoria, Private Bag X20, Hatfield, 0028, South Africa email: serena.coet...@up.ac.za Web: www.up.ac.za/cgis Mobile: +27 82 464 4294 · Tel: +27 12 420 3823 · Fax: +27 12 420 6385 This project may be of relevance: http://openaddresses.io/ Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Google Summer of Code 2015
On 02/09/2015 04:23 PM, Cristiano Giovando wrote: Hello, We, at the Humanitarian OSM Team (HOT) [1] just started the organization application for Google Summer of Code 2015. Considering that some project ideas may be of interest to both OSGeo and HOT, we were wondering if you are planning to participate in GSoC this year and if you would like to coordinate on some projects? Here are some topics for developing ideas: - open source geospatial plugins for humanitarian response - development of Open Aerial Map [2] - spatial ETL, improvements to export tools [3] - mapping coordination platforms [4] - humanitarian/OSM version of OSGeo Live - map rendering based on the Humanitarian Data Model - mobile field mapping applications Please let us know if you are interested! Cheers, Cristiano [1] http://hot.openstreetmap.org [2] https://github.com/hotosm/OpenAerialMap [3] http://export.hotosm.org [4] http://tasks.hotosm.org Cristiano, Yes I believe OSGeo is currently working on applying to participate. The discussion happens on a dedicated email list. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc Anne who is one of our organizers/lead mentors should have more info for you. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live @ Foss4gNa call for help
All, I'm proposing an OSGeo-Live workshop for Foss4gNA in March. For this to be a success I'd like to get some experts/users of a variety of projects to be available for part of the workshop to answer questions from participants. The more projects represented the better we'll be able to answer questions, since we won't know ahead of time what software people will be interested in trying after the introduction OSGeo-Live. If you are planning to come to Foss4gNA and think you can help please send me an email with what projects you're comfortable answering questions about and helping new users. Thanks, Alex OSGeo California ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [California] Reminder: Annual Meeting Is Tomorrow (9/26/14)
--- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:21:30 -0700 From: Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com To: califor...@lists.osgeo.org califor...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [California] Reminder: Annual Meeting Is Tomorrow List-Id: OSGeo California \(USA\) california.lists.osgeo.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/options/california, mailto:california-requ...@lists.osgeo.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/california List-Post: mailto:califor...@lists.osgeo.org List-Help: mailto:california-requ...@lists.osgeo.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/california, mailto:california-requ...@lists.osgeo.org?subject=subscribe This is just a quick reminder that our annual meeting is tomorrow: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_California_Chapter_2014_Annual_Meeting Landon ___ California mailing list califor...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/california ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [California] Reminder: Annual Meeting Is Tomorrow (9/27/14)
Opps meant to say 9/27 in the subject, Saturday in San Jose, CA All are welcome. -Alex On 09/26/2014 08:31 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: --- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:21:30 -0700 From: Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com To: califor...@lists.osgeo.org califor...@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [California] Reminder: Annual Meeting Is Tomorrow List-Id: OSGeo California \(USA\) california.lists.osgeo.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/options/california, mailto:california-requ...@lists.osgeo.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/california List-Post: mailto:califor...@lists.osgeo.org List-Help: mailto:california-requ...@lists.osgeo.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/california, mailto:california-requ...@lists.osgeo.org?subject=subscribe This is just a quick reminder that our annual meeting is tomorrow: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_California_Chapter_2014_Annual_Meeting Landon ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] On the subject of tilecache
On 09/25/2014 06:53 AM, Jo Cook wrote: Dear List, A while ago I reached out to the tilecache mailing list to try and understand what's happening with the project. The company that I work for has a few minor fixes that we would like to contribute back to the main code, and I also noticed that there are some broken links on the website (and in the example config) as the metacarta tile server is no longer in operation, so beginners are going to find it quite tough to set up. A quick look on github suggests a number of people have forked it and are doing their own thing, but ideally it would be good to know if the core team are still doing any work on it, or have any plans to take it forward. Github's great, but it would also be nice to have a canonical version of the package that we can all contribute to rather than many versions, all slightly different. As I said, I asked this question on the tilecache mailing list and got no answer, so I thought I'd ask here but if anyone wants to chat about it off list then please do get in touch. All the best Jo Apparently it's been lurking quietly. There were only 3 people with commit access to the svn, which has been up all this time, just unknown since the trac instance was down (spammed to death). Today I helped Brian resurrect it's public face, website in progress, but code as it stands is now available on github in anticipation of merges, pull requests and contributors. https://github.com/OSGeo/tilecache To all those with forks, it would be great to bring it all back together if possible - or at least make it easier to figure out what's different between the forks. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Sys Admin Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] prepare questionnaire for our members, about osgeo mission, goals review, ...
I didn't actually test conference events specifically, and it's only a correlation (not causation). But it would be easy to if there's a good list somewhere of events by country (might have to be by region analysis). And of course as I mentioned in the talk testing local chapter activity too. Thanks, Alex On 09/18/2014 03:44 PM, Jody Garnett wrote: Kind of wish people were thee for Alex's talk on OsGeo live metrics. We don't need to guess on the value of of local events - Alex has the numbers to show why local conferences are amazing - they motivate more downloads. I also had a talk on OSGeo as a software foundation - thanks to those who attended. These meta-talks were tricky to schedule in a conference where the value comes from using software. On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, great mails after FOSS4G. I wish, we had chance to talk about stuff openly face2face on FOSS4G, but there was no timeslot, nor members (not so many). If you agree, I (any help welcomed) volunteer for creating questionnaire (using google forms) with questions to our charter members. The results should be: * review of OSGeo goals as described on [1] * feedback from local chapters, why they need OSGeo * feedback from projects, future projects - why did they want to be osgeo project, why do they still want to remain osgeo project, why there are not so many new osgeo projects * feedback from members: why are you member, what are you expecting from osgeo * ... others ... Someone else might put it into mail in more structured way. Any agreement? Co-volunteer? Good idea? Absolutely bad idea? Jachym [1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html -- Jachym Cepicky e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com URL: http://les-ejk.cz GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp Give your code freedom with PyWPS - http://pywps.wald.intevation.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Openlayers API problem
On 08/18/2014 06:06 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote: Dear all, unable to pop-out attribute information from Openlayers API. It gives some security error. You may pl see our website on societal gis for a city in India. mana-rajahmundry.org where there is a need for some debugging pl. ThanQ in advance Ravi Kumar 1. I think this for the OpenLayers mailing list, assuming OL 2.x then you want openlayers-us...@lists.osgeo.org , if it's OL 3 then thats on google groups I think. 2. This sounds like CORS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-origin_resource_sharing The openlayers website describes how to deal with this issue. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nominations finish tomorrow!!
A NO vote would be that you don't trust the person to uphold the principles of OSGeo or think they would be terrible as a board member or voting for a board member. There's all sort of possible reasons, perhaps too much commercial interest, or not understanding FOSS well enough), too new to the community, etc. Could be that you simply don't want 15 new people all from 1 chapter at once. To ABSTAIN means you don't know them, the nominators, or know enough about the candidate from their short nomination and linked pages to feel comfortable voting yes. I agree that NO votes are fairly unlikely, but the option is there as mentioned before, it's the way to prevent a large block of new members all coming from the same outside org, local chapter, one project, etc... I voted already, and I did use the ABSTAIN option a few times for people who I couldn't really get a feel for based on their descriptions and I also don't know the person who nominated them well either. Thanks, Alex On 08/02/2014 04:12 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote: Dear all Charter members, this method of electing Charter members looks good to experiment with. Yes No and Abstain.. I have seen quite a few mails supporting candidates. As a Charter member I go by the recommendations, as it is impossible to really know each 'charter member to be elected'. But.. 'No and Abstain', if these are going to be used then some explanation is also due, before the election process begins. Because personally I believe, many of us will vote 'YES' (hopefully) to every 'charter member to be elected'. So it is likely they may find a place on the charter inspite of an 'Abstain or even a NO' by some who know them. I hope many of the charter members view this as a genuine predicament.. Cheers Ravi Kumar On Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:19 AM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: Indeed as I informed the Board privately last night, in another non-profit software org there is a hostile take-over trying to happen...so our bylaws on elections are very important. But if Venka and other Charter members want changes in the bylaws it should be made possible, and considered strongly by the Board. -jeff On 2014-08-01 7:40 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: Venka, Further to Jorge's email, the reason we need to vote in charter members (rather than accepting everyone who applies) is to meet OSGeo bylaws which state that we need to vote in new charter members every year. The reason for the bylaws is to avoid hostile take-over. Admittedly very unlikely, but still possible. So we have changed our voting processes to try and be as inclusive as possible, basically aiming to ensure that everyone who is interested, and actively contributing toward OSGeo should be voted in for charter membership. On 2/08/2014 2:30 am, Jorge Sanz wrote: 2014-08-01 15:23 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp: What is the voting for, I though all the nominated members would be automatically elected. Perhaps I am the only one not aware of the new election rules. Can you clarify please. Venka Hi Venka, thanks for raising the question. On previous years the Board allocated a number of seats and if there were more nominations than seats then elections were conducted, so some people could not get the membership if they were at the end of the ranking. Other years no election was needed because there were less nominations than seats, so everyone was automatically accepted. As was discussed in June[1], a new procedure was designed[2]. On this new procedure, there is no limit of seats for new charter members, the nominations are carried as every year but instead of having a number of seats, we will have a different criteria for accepting new members. Another difference is that instead of voting by e-mail, with 180 members, we will use an electronic voting system. For every nominee, current Charter Members will have to decide say Yes, No or Abstain for their acceptance. This way we assure that supported nominees are accepted. The criteria will be: - The nominee needs to have more Yes than No - The nominee needs to have more than 5% of Yes of voting members. And then we arrive to one VERY important point in my opinion. For me, the +1 and seconds on discuss mean a LOT, because maybe a I don't know the nominee, but I know many of the nominators and seconders, and I trust their criteria so they add points for me to vote a *Yes* instead of an *Abstain*. There are more than 60 nominations, so checking every nominee discussion will take a while for Charter Members, but it's a very important excercise to be responsible on our vote on who will be accepted. Sorry for the long mail, I hope it makes sense!! Cheers [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-June/thread.html [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process ___
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [location-iwg] Announcing the program chair for FOSS4G NA 2015
I encourage you to directly ask OSGeo California members to participate in the planning. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/California There's an upcoming local meeting, Sept. in San Jose http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_California_Chapter_2014_Annual_Meeting Mailing List http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/california Thanks, Alex On 07/22/2014 11:27 AM, Rob Emanuele wrote: Thanks Andrew. I'm very happy to be selected to serve as program chair (my announcement is here http://www.azavea.com/blogs/atlas/2014/07/foss4g-north-america-2015-program-committee-chairman-announcement/). If anyone has any input on what they'd like to see in FOSS4G NA 2015's program or how you think it should be structured, please don't hesitate to contact me; the more opinions I hear from the community, the better I can guide the program committee towards creating the best possible program. Cheers, Rob On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote: Hi Everyone, (x-posted to OSGeo LocationTech discussion lists, please forward as appropriate) Just a quick announcement related to FOSS4G North America 2015 for those that may have missed the announcement elsewhere. The event takes place in San Francisco from *March 9th to 12th*. I am pleased to announce that Rob Emanuele has joined the team to serve as program chair http://42aross.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/announcing-foss4g-north-america-2015-program-chair/ for FOSS4G North America 2015. Rob I will be working to build the program committee and we'll have some further announcements soon. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] deegree on OSGeo Live DVD
Danilo, Updating the sheet is a good start but what follows after that is 1. updating the install script in our svn 2. testing the script 3. getting people to review the Overview and Quickstart docs. 4. testing that deegree works in the nightly builds This page has good overview, no need to do the questionnaire since this isn't a new project: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project Thanks, Alex On 07/08/2014 01:49 PM, Danilo Bretschneider wrote: Hello Astrid, thanks for your response. Johannes has left the TMC in February. Therefore it may be a good to idea to join the team. I will read the documentation at the OSGeo Wiki. For the next Release 8.0 of OSGeo Live DVD I have add the last current deegree webservices version 3.3.10 to the Google spreadsheet. Kind regards, Danilo Am 08.07.2014 21:44, schrieb Astrid Emde: Hello Danilo, it looks like Johannes Wilden is the right person to contact. Have a look at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQVJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXchl=en_GB#gid=13 You are welcome to join the OSGeo_live team http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us Read more at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc Best regards Astrid Emde Am 2014-07-08 21:05, schrieb Danilo Bretschneider: Hi, at FOSSGIS conference in March 2014 I have worked with the OSGeo Live DVD. I noticed that the Live DVD uses an old version of deegree webservices (3.3.1). Does anybody know who is the right person to contact? I think that would be great, if the next OSGeo Live DVD use the newest version of deegree webservices. Kind regards, Danilo ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members
In general this sounds workable for this year. Nominations will no longer compete against each other but only against the benchmark of what makes a good member. The only reservation I have is on the 50% Yes/No, but maybe I just need a clarification. I see plenty of people potentially voting Yes/No/Abstain(just not marking a particular candidate). So is 50% of the number of people who picked Yes vs No or is 50% the total number of charter members or is 50% the number of charter members who voted in the election? How this line is calculated varies the number of required votes. FYI, only voting Yes and skipping No give people about the same style of vote as the previous method. To me more than a few no votes for a person seems somewhat controversial. At the same time we don't want to give veto power to small groups of people. If a vote is close 50/49, do we really want to allow someone in the 49 charter members clearly have a reason for rejecting? I don't really have a suggestion at this time for what the right way to solve this is. Thanks, Alex On 06/29/2014 01:26 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: OSGeo board, In the interests of making a decision such that Jorge Salinas (our CRO) can move forward, I propose the following process be followed for voting new charter members in 2014: 1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s) (as before). 2. Charter members then vote (in/out) nominated charter members. This will be different to prior years, as we previously voted in a fixed number of members for a larger selection pool. (eg vote in 20 people from a list of 30). For this year, I propose we have a Yes/No vote. Ie, if we have a list of 30 candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote Yes or No against each candidate. Each candidate with greater than 50% of YES votes will be included as new charter members. 3. Charter members would be guided to select candidates who fit the Positive Attributes for Charter Members as defined here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes 4. There will be no limit to the number of new charter members who can be selected. This will require an update of http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process 5. Note: This vote is being put to the board and not to charter members as I don't wish to complicate this decision by adding a 2nd (positive) idea for change. We can address getting charter members to vote on issues as a separate motion. Board members, can you please all vote on above: +1 Cameron On 25/06/2014 9:31 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote: Following the community discussion, I further researched OSGeo's foundation documents, (in retrospect I should have done this earlier). Of particular relevance to current discussion is our ByLaws: http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html /Section 7.1. Admission of [Charter] Members. An initial group of up to forty-five (45) persons shall be admitted as the initial [charter] members of the corporation upon the affirmative vote of the Board of Directors of the corporation. Thereafter, to be eligible for [charter] membership, a person must be nominated by an existing [charter] member of the corporation pursuant to a written document in such form as shall be adopted by the Board of Directors from time to time. The nomination must be included in a notice to the [charter] members at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting at which the [charter] members will vote on the applicant's admission. Proposed [charter] members shall be admitted upon the affirmative vote of the members of the corporation./ This section implies that the proposal below of automatically accepting Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders is unconstitutional, as charter members need to be voted into the role by existing charter members. It also implies that while a separate paid membership category could be created, paid members would still need to be voted into a charter member role by existing charter members. The ByLaws don't mention limiting the number of new charter members. This criteria seems to have been introduced as a Membership Process by the 26th Board meeting: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process /The number of new members will be between 10% and one third of the existing charter membership count as decided by the board/. Such a statement created by the board, could be updated by the board, and as such the board could agree to accept an unlimited number of new charter members. So I'm now thinking that our election process can be simplified to: 1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s) 2. Charter members then vote (in/out) against all nominated charter members A suitable criteria for determining whether a nominee qualifies is listed here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes 4. Nominees with a majority of votes are included as new Charter Members On
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)
On 06/24/2014 06:14 AM, Mateusz Łoskot wrote: On 24 June 2014 14:38, María Arias de Reyna delawen+os...@gmail.com wrote: But there is a big but: That's why I decided to ask, what are those buts, as I haven't learned any concrete arguments from the original thread. It happened to me with IEEE and I still haven't returned to them after so many years. Once I couldn't pay the membership, it was like forcing me to go away. Yes, I experienced similar situation, but ACM/IEEE/... are different organisations. So, couldn't we add some kind of volunteer work to compensate the fee on some cases? Again, that is a technical issue related to amount of fee, region-based adjustment of fee, etc. First, we should focus discussion on the aspects Howard explained [1] and understand what are the major pros and cons of paid membership. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-June/012964.html Best regards, There is a question about whether or not people value enough the Free services they are currently receiving. This is a general question about whether people truly value things they get for Free. I'm still looking for good research on the topic and not just internet chatter. Many of our committees are somewhat short-handed or non-operational due to lack of volunteers. Webcom is almost non-existent, so the main website upgrade has been on hold for years even though a design plan was created. There's also been a suggestion for stipends for some system admins to keep things running more smoothly. Marketing/Outreach always gets requests for materials and we do allocate I think up ~$500 to new chapters needing permanent materials but we don't cover any handouts. I agree $ should not block anyone from access to any of our services. So the question is what would people get for their membership besides a resume line? Your note about professional society fees being a blocker is why I suggested they be quite low. If even 1/2 of our mailing list subscribers joined ($10-$20) we could double or triple our operating budget. Maybe we just need fundraising drives every year or for specific things. Thanks everyone for contributing lots of ideas. Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members
On 06/23/2014 11:01 AM, Dimitris Kotzinos wrote: Dear Cameron, thanks for the reply and the comments to my previous e-mail. It also gave me a chance to revisit the rules around the charter members. I was expecting this issue to be further discussed within the community and i am a bit disappointed with the evolution of the discussion, given the fact that the board will make a decision shortly. I am happy that you agree with me in most of the cases; I should also point out that my comments aim at improving the voting process this year (why wait for the next) unless this year's decision does not accept any alterations. A few more comments: -- Voting of charter members: I agree that in the rules is stated that the Charter Members are voting for new Charter Members and the board. Then maybe we should consider the members to vote (I think that this can be considered based on the bylaws)? If we agree with the need to validate this kind of decisions from a larger body, then a solution can be found. -- For the proposed changes and in the request for data to validate them; I cannot understand the comment that anyone who disagrees should bring up data that validate the current status. Usually the one who proposes changes should bring along some data to prove that the changes are needed and are in the proper direction. But for me there is no need since the last two years, whoever applied for Charter Member status was accepted. So I cannot see who was rejected. So I still do not see where the need for such changes comes from and what exactly we expect to improve with this. One only needs to look at the nomination lists in the years where we did not accept all nominations to find people who were not accepted but are well known contributors to the community. We've avoided the conversation for a few years by accepting all the nominations, but only because the number of them was not too high. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2013 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2012 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2011 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2010 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2009 etc... Comparing to http://www.osgeo.org/charter_members is somewhat challenging (seems to be in no particular order, perhaps random order on purpose). Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members
On 06/19/2014 11:58 AM, Peter Baumann wrote: Hi all, good - and important! - discussion! Being Charter Member I am somewhat concerned: - I am surprised that the common democratic procedure of election is perceived as creating dissent. Well it's somewhat conjecture without public confirmation that someone walked away from OSGeo because they didn't get picked. - yes, democracy is expensive, but generally it is considered worth the effort. - is lifelong membership compatible with community participation? Nope and we've actually have discussed in the past what the rules should be to weed out charter members who no longer particpate in the community. - Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders seem to get determined in a very special, selective way (as compared to standard election procedures). Altogether, the criteria seem to make OSGeo a self-sustaining group: insiders will remain insiders for a lifetime, outsiders will...well, face a hurdle. So the contrary of open. Just an idea: what about applying the OSGeo incubation checklist to OSGeo itself to determine feasible procedures? cheers, Peter I think the discussion of membership fees is timely this year now that we officially have our IRS 501c4 status. Why, well when we were aiming for 501c3 that would have given us donations as tax write offs for US members. Without that incentive to donate, membership now seems like it might be the way to push individuals to donate. The amount should be researched quite a bit though, factoring in how to reach maximum membership, with lowest overhead (collecting and tracking membership will incur a cost). Since we don't maintain a huge office, an in print journal, a lobbyist or things like that we should be able to be much lower that other professional societies. I agree it should be relative to country of members, and there probably should be some sharing in places where local chapters exist - or the local chapters trust us to split the money back to them for things they need. I'd suggest something in the $20-$30 US, students $5-$10. Maybe with a sliding scale like PBS or Kickstarter, where if you voluntarily pay more in a given year you get swag of some sort. I'm trying to avoid the syndrome (I'm guilty of this) where one pays for membership only in a year when it will get you a discount worth more than the membership for the conference. I agree with Arnulf that these decisions should probably go to e-vote of all the current charter members, the boards responsibility is to put forward a coherent plan for the vote. Obviously if the board all hates the ideas it should stop there for now. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members
I think that might be a slight misunderstanding. We are an international organization, our main funding accounts happen to be subject to US law currently. The main funds used to seed FOSS4g each year come from this, which 2/3+ of the time is outside the US. Exhibition packs to local chapters comes from this, servers come from this. Other requests for seed funding for local FOSS4g sometimes comes from this. So I'd say much of the funds are actually spent on the international community. Many local chapters keep their dues locally, actually most if they have fees. Which is great the funds should stay local as much as possible. The downside is the overall budget is quite low in the centralized needs area. Example, we've been discussing how to put osgeo server mirrors more wide spread across the globe. That reality is impossible without more funds in the central org. So unless projects and chapters start passing some funds in to be re-allocated by OSGeo there's not really a way for the org to fund the mirrors, or code-sprints, or more local Foss4g events, or materials for new chapters, etc. Thanks, Alex On 06/23/2014 12:33 PM, b.j.kob...@utwente.nl wrote: I am very dissapointed in this whole membership/fees discussion. In reading the emails one does not see the international volunteer community I would like to think OSGEO is (should be), but it rather seems we are dealing with a US-based professional organisation, mostly keen on not paying US taxes, and that is not what I want OSGEO to become... -- Barend Köbben ITC - University of Twente PO Box 217, 7500AE Enschede (The Netherlands) +31-(0)53 4874 253 @barendkobben On 23-06-14 21:00, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 06/19/2014 11:58 AM, Peter Baumann wrote: Hi all, good - and important! - discussion! Being Charter Member I am somewhat concerned: - I am surprised that the common democratic procedure of election is perceived as creating dissent. Well it's somewhat conjecture without public confirmation that someone walked away from OSGeo because they didn't get picked. - yes, democracy is expensive, but generally it is considered worth the effort. - is lifelong membership compatible with community participation? Nope and we've actually have discussed in the past what the rules should be to weed out charter members who no longer particpate in the community. - Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders seem to get determined in a very special, selective way (as compared to standard election procedures). Altogether, the criteria seem to make OSGeo a self-sustaining group: insiders will remain insiders for a lifetime, outsiders will...well, face a hurdle. So the contrary of open. Just an idea: what about applying the OSGeo incubation checklist to OSGeo itself to determine feasible procedures? cheers, Peter I think the discussion of membership fees is timely this year now that we officially have our IRS 501c4 status. Why, well when we were aiming for 501c3 that would have given us donations as tax write offs for US members. Without that incentive to donate, membership now seems like it might be the way to push individuals to donate. The amount should be researched quite a bit though, factoring in how to reach maximum membership, with lowest overhead (collecting and tracking membership will incur a cost). Since we don't maintain a huge office, an in print journal, a lobbyist or things like that we should be able to be much lower that other professional societies. I agree it should be relative to country of members, and there probably should be some sharing in places where local chapters exist - or the local chapters trust us to split the money back to them for things they need. I'd suggest something in the $20-$30 US, students $5-$10. Maybe with a sliding scale like PBS or Kickstarter, where if you voluntarily pay more in a given year you get swag of some sort. I'm trying to avoid the syndrome (I'm guilty of this) where one pays for membership only in a year when it will get you a discount worth more than the membership for the conference. I agree with Arnulf that these decisions should probably go to e-vote of all the current charter members, the boards responsibility is to put forward a coherent plan for the vote. Obviously if the board all hates the ideas it should stop there for now. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members
On 06/17/2014 12:22 PM, Eli Adam wrote: I like the idea of the new Charter Membership rules. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: Hi List, Regarding the new proposal for voting in charter members- it's slightly off topic, but I doubt all existing Local Chapter representatives have been voted in by at least 3 charter members. That sets the bar quite high for new chapters as well- under the new regime if they have no existing chapter members it might not be possible for them to a) elect a chapter representative and b) get them elected as a charter member. Maybe I've misunderstood this part of the new rules? I think that a) is still possible. The Local Chapter can do what they want regarding their internal workings. I agree that b) could be impossible in the scenario you describe. Local Chapters are approved by the Board including a representative who then becomes an Officer of OSGeo.[0] Graduated OSGeo projects are approved by both the Incubation Committee and the Board. I think in these cases where the Chapter/Project has already been approved by the Board, removing the requirement where the voting community includes at least *3* OSGeo charter members is reasonable. Jo, do you think that the where the voting community includes at least *3* OSGeo charter membersrequirement should be removed for Official Local Chapters and Graduated OSGeo Projects? You are right, Local chapter liaisons probably don't need the specific 3. I find this whole thing odd because in California we gave the liaison position to whoever was willing to do it, not exactly an election... course we wouldn't want a local chapter to just keep switching liaison to get more charter members so they have enough vote to get a board member of their choosing... If we follow the only adding once a year - it should take too many years for this strategy to be worthwhile. More below. You might want to clarify how the Charter Membership is tied to the elected position. Let's say I volunteer to chair the Web Committee now, then become a Charter Member, then quit the Web Committee and someone else takes it over. Am I still a Charter Member? Is the person who takes it over? I think that Charter Membership is lifetime unless you repeatedly don't vote or ask to not be a Charter Member, so that might address the first question. For the second question about the person who takes over chairing, would it wait until the next Charter membership election for it to become effective? Same scenario with Local Chapter Representatives. It's not tied together. You do not need to be a Charter member to be the chair or member of a committee. The only time you need Charter membership is to serve on the Board or vote for the Board or vote for new Charter members. You are correct once a Charter member you stay one unless you remove yourself - or as discussed in previous years (I can't recall if it's a proposal or rule) if you fail to vote often enough. Charter members are only added once a year, that is unlikely to change. This ensures that they are added at a somewhat measured pace. Once these changes are approved, this page should perhaps be updated, http://www.osgeo.org/membership Eli Is the board going to vote on this proposal or all charter members? Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Voting process (Re: OSGeo Membership and/or upcoming elections)
Let me ask my advisor if we can use our Lab instance for free. I should have answer quickly. Thanks, Alex On 05/29/2014 01:38 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: Hi Jorge, I tried your demo, seems a perfect fit. Questions: - would we just leave it hosted there and buy 250 responses for $22 ? (seems like a good way to me) - what exactly do you think they mean by Our survey tool is available in over 80 languages. You can even execute the exact same surveys in several languages at the same time! Is there a config option for language support or some widget to be added to our survey? I'm not understanding this ha. -jeff On 2014-05-29, 4:56 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote: Hi all, thanks for your comments. I've set up a testing survey and apparently limesurvey fits our needs. We can upload a csv of names and emails to send to every Charter Member an invitation to vote. There is also a question type that allows us to set votes on candidates. The candidates are randomized and when the final survey is published using private tokens, every charter member will receive an invitation mail and confirmation of the vote record as well, so IMHO we are ready to go, at least on that part. Anyway I've published a public test survey so anyone can check how it works and comment http://osgeo.limequery.com/index.php/714821/lang-en ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Voting process (Re: OSGeo Membership and/or upcoming elections)
Looks like that went through. Jeff and Jorge should be able to create surveys, how ever many you need. Hosting is Courtesy of the UC Davis ICA-OSGeo Lab https://geospatial.ucdavis.edu/resources/open-source Let me know if there's anything else. It should be straight forward to make a survey and dump results to csv after. Thanks, Alex On 05/29/2014 01:40 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: Let me ask my advisor if we can use our Lab instance for free. I should have answer quickly. Thanks, Alex On 05/29/2014 01:38 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: Hi Jorge, I tried your demo, seems a perfect fit. Questions: - would we just leave it hosted there and buy 250 responses for $22 ? (seems like a good way to me) - what exactly do you think they mean by Our survey tool is available in over 80 languages. You can even execute the exact same surveys in several languages at the same time! Is there a config option for language support or some widget to be added to our survey? I'm not understanding this ha. -jeff On 2014-05-29, 4:56 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote: Hi all, thanks for your comments. I've set up a testing survey and apparently limesurvey fits our needs. We can upload a csv of names and emails to send to every Charter Member an invitation to vote. There is also a question type that allows us to set votes on candidates. The candidates are randomized and when the final survey is published using private tokens, every charter member will receive an invitation mail and confirmation of the vote record as well, so IMHO we are ready to go, at least on that part. Anyway I've published a public test survey so anyone can check how it works and comment http://osgeo.limequery.com/index.php/714821/lang-en ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] High level guidance/info requested
On 05/22/2014 09:20 AM, roghellman wrote: I have written healthcare software that merges medical records with GPS data. It is for use in developing countries, where Internet access is less than dependable. When the Internet is available, I send the medical data to the cloud, where I can map disease patterns and scan it for instances of contagious diseases. Usually in real-time. The software was designed to work off-line (and it does), but when off-line, right now, maps are not available to the application. Clearly I need to cache tiles for off-line use. There seem to be a number of options available. However, the world of mapping is new to me and my ignorance profound. The environment I am working in, is Apache, postgres, and PHP. But I only have an installer working for Windows. I've come across tilecache and mapserver. Are there other that I should look at? Any advice would be appreciated. Off-line mobile or desktop? Application or Browser based? A lot of people use a format called MBTiles to store offline caches of tiles locally. Generally with OpenStreetMap tiles this is quite an acceptable use. GDAL/OGR can read mbtiles along with other tools for use in an application you make. For Google maps they have very specific methods of caching locally using their api (might be mobile device only). Hope that gives you some direction to start looking. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any spatial databases for high performance geo-computing
On 05/19/2014 03:04 PM, Zhang, Shuai wrote: Hi All, sorry for asking, but what do you think is a good choice of spatial database for high performance geo-computing? In some high performance computing scenarios, data size tends to be huge, and a bunch of computer clusters work together with high throughput and tense computation. sometimes we use parallel filesystems like lustre, gfs, hdfs to handle specific problems but what if a spatial database? I explored some of postgresql cluster solutions, such as streaming replication, pgpool, slony and so on. I think most of them are designed for failover, and they might not be able to stand up with the huge data size and high performance demands. the case is quite alike in oracle and db2 spatial, i think. so any suggestions for projects aiming to build a distributed and parallel spatial database running on a cluster? Thanks, shuai I haven't used but have a seen a few Hadoop implementations. If you do research on Sharding that's the kind of db where the data is split across nodes not redundantly. http://www.nathankerr.com/projects/parallel-gis-processing/alternative_approaches_to_parallel_gis_processing.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3814183/ Then of course depending on your needs there are plenty of MPI compatible libraries in various languages. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Voting process (Re: OSGeo Membership and/or upcoming elections)
I have experience using it (Haven't installed it myself). We use it at my lab to do university research studies. There's all sorts of way to configure it and do secure hidden surveys that IRB often demands. I can ask my advisor if we can use our instance for this year if people want to try it. Thanks, Alex On 05/16/2014 10:37 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote: umm that's interesting because that soft supports exactly the type of vote we do http://manual.limesurvey.org/Question_type_-_Multiple_numerical_input -- Jorge Sanz @xurxosanz http://jorgesanz.net Sent from my phone, Sorry for my brevity, top posting, etc. El 17/05/2014 02:33, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com escribió: On 05/16/2014 03:41 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote: 2014-05-16 17:14 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com: On 2014-05-16, 12:06 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: - maybe this is the most interesting, the Open Source Initiative used evote (https://github.com/mdipierro/evote), will paste the full email from OSI: At the Open Source Initiative, we just used E-Vote to conduct a member election, and I was pretty happy with the process (I was the admin): https://elections.opensource.org/ We contracted with E-Vote's author, Massimo DiPierro, to set it up for us, which he did a fine job of. I expect we'll continue to use it. It does use people's email addresses to send them their ballots, but the ballots themselves are anonymous. (Technically, the election admin could use database access to figure out who did what, I suppose, but that's the only point of trust; the election itself can be verified by others without anyone's identities or votes being revealed.) More on the evote project (I wonder if we should contact Massimo), the 'features' listed on the OSI site: - The system is open source and anybody can check the source code. The code is small and written in the Python language. This makes it easy for professionals in the field to check it. - The system can run as a service and one installation can run mutiple elections. Anybody can login into the system, create a new election, register voters and managers, and customize the ballot using an easy to use WYSIWYG interface. - The system communicates with voters and managers by email. - Voters do not need to login into the system to vote. They only need to click on the link in the notification email, fill a web form and submit. - Each voter can only vote once per election. - Results are computed automatically at closing of the election and published. - Voting is completely anonymous. Even a hacker with a complete database dump of the system would not be able to link voters to ballots. - Each voter can check at any time that his vote has been properly recorded and not alatered. - Each voter can independenty and at any time perform an election recount. - Upon voting, each voter receives an email recipt containing a copy of their filled and anonymized ballot. - Managers are notified by email when a new vote is cast and receive a copy of the anonimized ballot. - All ballots, anonymized and digitally signed, are published, along with instruciton to verify the digital signature. -jeff Hi Jeff, all After spending some time and several trials with opensource.org system I haven't been able to perform a successful vote test. We need to create as many questions as votes and even it seems to work, afterwards it doesn't collect the votes correctly. It's a pity because I like the system, apparently is meant for asking just one question of the three types offered (ranking, select or multiselect). With more time I would try to solve the issue I came across. It was funny to see Karl Fogel has opened several tickets on this project (he's the author of the Producing Open Source Software classic book). On the other hand, and that's important, I think we need to know who is voting to identify which charter members are not active on their only required activity for the foundation so far. That system focuses seriously on anonymity and for this matter at least the CRO needs to know who is voting and who is not. On the other hand I've done some tests with opina and I think it fits all our requirements. 1) Import a CSV of contacts into the system http://i.imgur.com/WWh24mI.png 2) Customize the invitation mail http://i.imgur.com/o2OPHfu.png 3) Select a private survey sending a different password to any member http://i.imgur.com/hM5EG6D.png 4) Receive an email http://i.imgur.com/K2OdjQF.png 5) Access the survey (you have the choice to save and continue later) http://i.imgur.com/nIcgmKs.png 6) Track who voted, see results and export to CSV and SPSS formats http://i.imgur.com/BlHOvZe.png All that can be used as a service for free, there is no pricing model, and if we are going to use it a lot we can think afterwards on installing it at our server (I'm wondering if we can use this type
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] update osgeo live 5.0 to osgeolive 7.0
On 05/15/2014 11:13 PM, Andreas Hoffmann wrote: Hello list, I have a small installed version of osgeo live 5.0 and we would like to update it to version 7.0 is there a way to do this on the running version without the need to do a clean install from a 7.0 DVD and then put all data back on the new installation? Any insight or hint would be very appreciated. Greetings from Germany Andreas Hoffmann It is possible but could be a big pain. The first thing is that you'll need to run is an Ubuntu upgrade, to get your version of Ubuntu up to 12.04 You could try putting the OSGeo Live 7.0 DVD in and see if it wants you to upgrade from that. Even after you do the Ubuntu upgrade, you'll also need to upgrade all the non-default geospatial packages. This may require you to edit the apt sources in /etc/sources.lists.d/ to point at updated repos. So yes it is possible but you'll need to be willing to learn a bit about how Ubuntu upgrades and PPAs work. FYI you should backup your file to an external drive anyways. Let us know if you need help finding more information. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Voting process (Re: OSGeo Membership and/or upcoming elections)
On 05/16/2014 03:41 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote: 2014-05-16 17:14 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com: On 2014-05-16, 12:06 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: - maybe this is the most interesting, the Open Source Initiative used evote (https://github.com/mdipierro/evote), will paste the full email from OSI: At the Open Source Initiative, we just used E-Vote to conduct a member election, and I was pretty happy with the process (I was the admin): https://elections.opensource.org/ We contracted with E-Vote's author, Massimo DiPierro, to set it up for us, which he did a fine job of. I expect we'll continue to use it. It does use people's email addresses to send them their ballots, but the ballots themselves are anonymous. (Technically, the election admin could use database access to figure out who did what, I suppose, but that's the only point of trust; the election itself can be verified by others without anyone's identities or votes being revealed.) More on the evote project (I wonder if we should contact Massimo), the 'features' listed on the OSI site: - The system is open source and anybody can check the source code. The code is small and written in the Python language. This makes it easy for professionals in the field to check it. - The system can run as a service and one installation can run mutiple elections. Anybody can login into the system, create a new election, register voters and managers, and customize the ballot using an easy to use WYSIWYG interface. - The system communicates with voters and managers by email. - Voters do not need to login into the system to vote. They only need to click on the link in the notification email, fill a web form and submit. - Each voter can only vote once per election. - Results are computed automatically at closing of the election and published. - Voting is completely anonymous. Even a hacker with a complete database dump of the system would not be able to link voters to ballots. - Each voter can check at any time that his vote has been properly recorded and not alatered. - Each voter can independenty and at any time perform an election recount. - Upon voting, each voter receives an email recipt containing a copy of their filled and anonymized ballot. - Managers are notified by email when a new vote is cast and receive a copy of the anonimized ballot. - All ballots, anonymized and digitally signed, are published, along with instruciton to verify the digital signature. -jeff Hi Jeff, all After spending some time and several trials with opensource.org system I haven't been able to perform a successful vote test. We need to create as many questions as votes and even it seems to work, afterwards it doesn't collect the votes correctly. It's a pity because I like the system, apparently is meant for asking just one question of the three types offered (ranking, select or multiselect). With more time I would try to solve the issue I came across. It was funny to see Karl Fogel has opened several tickets on this project (he's the author of the Producing Open Source Software classic book). On the other hand, and that's important, I think we need to know who is voting to identify which charter members are not active on their only required activity for the foundation so far. That system focuses seriously on anonymity and for this matter at least the CRO needs to know who is voting and who is not. On the other hand I've done some tests with opina and I think it fits all our requirements. 1) Import a CSV of contacts into the system http://i.imgur.com/WWh24mI.png 2) Customize the invitation mail http://i.imgur.com/o2OPHfu.png 3) Select a private survey sending a different password to any member http://i.imgur.com/hM5EG6D.png 4) Receive an email http://i.imgur.com/K2OdjQF.png 5) Access the survey (you have the choice to save and continue later) http://i.imgur.com/nIcgmKs.png 6) Track who voted, see results and export to CSV and SPSS formats http://i.imgur.com/BlHOvZe.png All that can be used as a service for free, there is no pricing model, and if we are going to use it a lot we can think afterwards on installing it at our server (I'm wondering if we can use this type of survey soft to ask ideas and feedback to our members, but that's another story). What do you think? If we really want to do it ourselves, LimeSurvey is quite robust. http://www.limesurvey.org/en/ Not hard to install mysql/php etc... Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] gvSIG: as desktop application officially supported by OSGeo
OSGeo Live is intended for testing, demos, teaching, and virtualization. It's goal is not to be a normal install and use workstation distro - though it can be installed we don't support this. Yes you are right Xubuntu is not the lightest distro, it is a lighter weight distro compatible with Ubuntu. You'll notice we are currently working to move to Lubuntu to keep it lighter. This does make it possible for people to apt-get install whatever else they might need when running a vm or persistent install. We have considered other bases before, but in general it has to be Ubuntu or Debian so we can use all the packages available from UbuntuGIS/DebianGIS and needs to be a good distro for beginning linux users. Majority of our users are not Linux users to start. DSL is an option, but would be a lot of work to pick and choose all the base apps normal users might expect. If this doesn't fit your needs you are welcome to work on an alternate version and we'd be happy to host a split in the tree to contain other variants or some service to build custom lighter variants. There has been discussion of splitting into Desktop and Server variants. We might go down that road in the future as we further automate the build servers. Clearly it works for someone as we have 20,000+ downloads per release. RPMs are not cross distro - Redhat/Fedora/Centos/Sci Linux are all redhat derivatives thats why they can share some rpms. Occasionally these can be converted for other distros when the deps are bundled or light. That said there is an OSGEO EL Geo group aimed at providing packages for that family of distros. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Enterprise_Linux_GIS Yes gvSig will be moved to the regular list whenever the Incubation committee makes the request after approval of graduation. Thanks, Alex On 05/15/2014 09:52 AM, ProjectNewAge wrote: Angelos (Tzotsos) and Jorge Sanz informed me that * gvSIG is finishing its incubation into the OSGeo Foundation (http://www.osgeo.org/incubator , http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist , http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Status ) * the OSGeoLive project exists which allready bundles OSGeo software (http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html ) So, my previous requests/mail can be scrapped. However, I thought about the OSGeo Live operating system, which is based on Xubuntu. Xubuntu is said to be lightweight, but that's not really true, at least not compared to other Linux operating systems. SliTaz is by far lighter (16 mb ram required instead of 256 or even 512mb for Xubuntu, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SliTaz_GNU/Linux and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu#Goals Also, I wonder whom will download the OSGeo live CD; it contains much more programs than what most users (even professionals) will need. Also, some other programs (not for geo-tasks may be missing) which certain users do need. Perhaps that a good alternative is to simply make a website with the RPM versions of the install packages; these can pretty much be installed on any Linux OS (including SliTaz, see hg.slitaz.org/tazpkg/raw-file/tip/doc/tazpkg.en.html ) Thomas gvSIG is finishing its incubation into the OSGeo Foundation, that's why it appears at the incubating block. You can read more about the incubation process at [1]. If you are interested on the details on gvSIG incubation you can visit [2] and [3]. Best Regards [1] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist [3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Status -- Jorge Sanz -- Forwarded message -- From: ProjectNewAge projectnew...@gmail.com To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Cc: Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 15:50:12 +0200 Subject: gvSIG: as desktop application officially supported by OSGeo Hi, I just wanted to ask whether gvSIG could be mentioned a desktop application officially supported by OSGeo (currently this isn't the case, see OSGeo Projects column at the right at http://www.osgeo.org/ I think it is superior to all others mentioned, as it is: * very lightweight (in comparison to QGIS and GRASS GIS) * very simple (much easier to learn for 1st time users) * able to download maps from a database (unlike the others, as far as I know), see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Geographic_information_system#Advantages_of_a_GIS_program_over_Google_Maps.2FGIMP_combo * able to be used as GPS navigation software; en-route navigation e.g. when using a laptop Also I wanted to mention the idea of bundling all complementary software with a Linux distro (e.g. SliTaz ); an alternative is to make packages for several Linux distro's and/or windows/OS X. Finally I wanted to present the idea of cooperating with/supporting of neighbourhood committees, see the mail below sent to the wild network. Thomas Smith -- Forwarded message -- From: ProjectNewAge projectnew...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 17:07:17 +0300
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] Starting build cycle for OSGeo-Live 8.0
We do include the most popular/common R packages from the spatial task view and have for years. You are welcome to discuss modifying the selection. There simply isn't room for all of them. We'll take RStudio into consideration, but it may be a space issue again. Is RStudio server geographic specific in any way, what about Shiny for displaying web outputs of sp related functions? That said, we'd be happy to include an optional script in our svn for adding all of these after the official build. That way the script is on disk and can be triggered easily. Thanks, Alex On 05/04/2014 01:50 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: My wish list for new packages is pretty short: RStudio (desktop and server), the CRAN 'Spatial' task view and all the Ubuntu dependencies the task view needs. I have a set of scripts that will layer this onto OSGeo Live 7.9 at https://gitlab.com/znmeb/osgeo-live-addons. License is AGPL-3. I'd certainly be willing to merge these into your build process or do a fork-pull request from a Git repo (assuming you use Git, of course). On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.comwrote: We are starting the build cycle for OSGeo-Live http://live.osgeo.org/ 8.0 which will be released in September 2014, ready for the global FOSS4G conference in Portland http://2014.foss4g.org/. We would like to hear from anyone wishing to add new projects, anyone wishing to extend or add extra translations, or anyone who wants to contribute in code, testing or ideas on how we should shape the upcoming release. Also, could all projects please reply to us with which stable version of their software should be included in this release. Ideally, projects should provide debian packages for this release. Key Milestones 08 Jun 2014 All new applications installed, most old applications updated 07 Jul 2014 Feature Freeze (all apps updated) 27 Jul 2014 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working) 17 Aug 2014 Final ISO sent to printers ... full schedulehttp://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclEhl=en_GB Moving to Lubuntu 14.04 LTS OSGeo-Live 8.0 will be built upon the recently released Lubuntuhttp://lubuntu.net/ 14.04 Long Term Support release (it was previously based upon Xubuntu 12.04 LTS). 1. Lubuntu, which is a LXDE based Ubuntu linux distribution, is light weight. This means it runs faster, with less memory and disk requirements which will improve the OSGeo-Live user experiences and allow us to fit a little more onto a DVD. 2. Moving to the 14.04 LTS release will help bring all applications up to the latest software, but will likely result in a number of applications needing to apply updates to address new dependency issues. About OSGeo-Live OSGeo-Live http://live.osgeo.org/ is a self-contained bootable DVD, USB thumb drive or Virtual Machine based on Lubuntu http://lubuntu.org/, that allows you to try a wide variety of open source geospatial software without installing anything. -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Live-demo mailing list live-d...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc ___ Live-demo mailing list live-d...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Downtime Notice for some OSGeo Hosted sites
The following sites will be down later today for hardware maintenance starting at approximately http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140425T2000 Outage will likely take an hour or less. All OSGeo hosted Trac SVN instances. OSGeo based Logins will also likely by down. osgeo.org downloads.osgeo.org live.osgeo.org wiki.osgeo.org trac.osgeo.org svn.osgeo.org Additional sites not listed may also be down. Please forward announcement to relevant project lists. We'll be on IRC #osgeo during the outage. Thanks, Alex OSGeo System Admin Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Downtime Notice for some OSGeo Hosted sites
All services are now restored. Please report if something isn't working as expected. Thanks, Alex OSGeo System Admin Committee On 04/25/2014 10:51 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: The following sites will be down later today for hardware maintenance starting at approximately http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140425T2000 Outage will likely take an hour or less. All OSGeo hosted Trac SVN instances. OSGeo based Logins will also likely by down. osgeo.org downloads.osgeo.org live.osgeo.org wiki.osgeo.org trac.osgeo.org svn.osgeo.org Additional sites not listed may also be down. Please forward announcement to relevant project lists. We'll be on IRC #osgeo during the outage. Thanks, Alex OSGeo System Admin Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Local Chapter Guidance
On 04/23/2014 10:01 AM, Brian Wilson wrote: Santa Rosa So moving into OSGeo California territory? FYI, the closest current thing is the GeoMeetup in SF area that Ragi runs. http://www.meetup.com/geomeetup/ For everyone else: In big states it's a little harder for a Chapter to hold meetings more than a few times a year. A core group of friendly acquaintances close enough to meet once a month seems to work well. FYI, Linux User Groups are one such model to look at. My town has managed to have one for 15 years with attendance from 3-100. All it takes is one person constantly organizing. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [SAC] Upgrade Planning 2014 - Project Feedback
Please add the idea of paid SAC time to the wiki page. I did contemplate this after the last board meeting where it was mentioned. A few ideas, * Stipend for up to a set limit of hours per month, ** Hours maybe approved by the committee before working * Earning points towards things like Foss4g discounts * Out-sourcing some tasks (we need a good list of reputable people to use - this was tried on Drupal upgrades for the main site and has thus far failed) * Special sponsor role if a sponsor volunteers person time instead of $? I too am curious about what other foundation's due short of just hiring staff. This also came up recently, apparently the OGC is relying on us to keep standards examples online and running all the time. If we're going to play that role, seems like a line of funding to pursue. Thanks, Alex On 04/21/2014 11:02 AM, Daniel Morissette wrote: Hardware is important, but let's not forget that system administrator time is at least as important to keep an infrastructure running smoothly. Can we find ways to avoid relying solely on volunteer time to support the infrastructure? What about including funded sysadmin time in our new plan? Not that the SAC (System Administration Committee) team is not doing a good job (quite the contrary, kudos to you all), but I think that relying solely on volunteer time for some things is not fair to the SAC team and is a high risk for OSGeo (risk of exhausting the volunteers). Contributors to open source projects can in general find clients to fund their time, but contributions to SAC are not something that anyone's client are going to pay for, so I think it something that OSGeo should help support directly. That being said, I'll be first to admit that mixing money and people in a non-profit organization is always complicated. So, short of outsourcing everything, how can we handle funded sysadmin time in a fair way vs volunteer contributions? Are there good examples to follow in other non-profit orgs? (These are open questions to everyone, I don't have the answers) Daniel On 14-04-18 7:50 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: Calling all Project Steering Committees, SAC is looking at the future of OSGeo hosted services. Please chime in with your wants and needs for the next 3-5 years. We want to maximize services while being efficient about effort (pooling sys admin time amongst projects). http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Transition_Plan_2014 More details below. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Sys Admin Committee Chair Original Message Subject: [SAC] Upgrade Planning 2014 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:25:41 -0700 From: Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com Reply-To: t...@wildintellect.com, System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo s...@lists.osgeo.org To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo s...@lists.osgeo.org In light of our recent hardware woes, the ending of osgeo1, and the age of current machines (3-4yrs) I think it's time to start planning what to do next. We do have budget, and the board is interested in ideas and additional funding is not out of the question. From my perspective, I think we need: 1. To survey PSC of all projects to assess what services we should offer. Do we need buildbots, sphinx builds, mail service, issue tracking, various CMS/wiki, mirrors, bandwidth for downloads? Now that everyone is love with Github (any word on what the next hot host will be), are there things we should retire? 2. Look at other hosting options besides physical machines in one place. Renting space like QGIS or OSM, racking machines elsewhere, getting OSGeo-ICA labs to mirror. If we do mirror look at GeoCDN and MirrorBrain for geo-ip redirection balancing. 3. Look at new hardware that better meets the needs. RAID is nice but not always the right answer to needs as we discovered recently. We also didn't buy specific to Ganeti/Cloud style setups where hotcopy failover works best with multiple identical machines, and lots of smaller disks with single disks per VM keeps i/o from competing (RAID is handled in mirror mode via DRBD over the network between nodes). Anyone want to tackle making a short survey for Projects to describe their needs and wishes? All ideas welcome, we'll pool it all into proposal and a wiki page before deciding on anything. Thanks, Alex ___ Sac mailing list s...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Downtime Notice for many OSGeo Hosted sites
The following sites will be down later today for hardware maintenance starting at approximately http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140418T2000 Outage will likely take a couple of hours. All OSGeo hosted mailing lists will also likely be down. Messages sent during that time will likely be delayed but not lost. docs.geotools.org featureserver.org geos.osgeo.org geotools.org grass.osgeo.org grasswiki.osgeo.org mapserver.org openlayers pycsw.org spatialreference.org tilecache.org www.gdal.org www.remotesensing.org demo.mapserver.org mapbender demo.pycsw.org oam qgis.org hub.qgis.org Additional sites not listed may also be down. Please forward announcement to relevant project lists. We'll be on IRC #osgeo during the outage since mailing lists will be down. Thanks, Alex OSGeo System Admin Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [SAC] Upgrade Planning 2014 - Project Feedback
Calling all Project Steering Committees, SAC is looking at the future of OSGeo hosted services. Please chime in with your wants and needs for the next 3-5 years. We want to maximize services while being efficient about effort (pooling sys admin time amongst projects). http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Transition_Plan_2014 More details below. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Sys Admin Committee Chair Original Message Subject: [SAC] Upgrade Planning 2014 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:25:41 -0700 From: Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com Reply-To: t...@wildintellect.com, System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo s...@lists.osgeo.org To: System Administration Committee Discussion/OSGeo s...@lists.osgeo.org In light of our recent hardware woes, the ending of osgeo1, and the age of current machines (3-4yrs) I think it's time to start planning what to do next. We do have budget, and the board is interested in ideas and additional funding is not out of the question. From my perspective, I think we need: 1. To survey PSC of all projects to assess what services we should offer. Do we need buildbots, sphinx builds, mail service, issue tracking, various CMS/wiki, mirrors, bandwidth for downloads? Now that everyone is love with Github (any word on what the next hot host will be), are there things we should retire? 2. Look at other hosting options besides physical machines in one place. Renting space like QGIS or OSM, racking machines elsewhere, getting OSGeo-ICA labs to mirror. If we do mirror look at GeoCDN and MirrorBrain for geo-ip redirection balancing. 3. Look at new hardware that better meets the needs. RAID is nice but not always the right answer to needs as we discovered recently. We also didn't buy specific to Ganeti/Cloud style setups where hotcopy failover works best with multiple identical machines, and lots of smaller disks with single disks per VM keeps i/o from competing (RAID is handled in mirror mode via DRBD over the network between nodes). Anyone want to tackle making a short survey for Projects to describe their needs and wishes? All ideas welcome, we'll pool it all into proposal and a wiki page before deciding on anything. Thanks, Alex ___ Sac mailing list s...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2015 North American conference
On 04/04/2014 02:02 PM, Andrew Ross wrote: Hello Everyone, Please excuse the cross post between OSGeo's discuss conference_dev lists as well as LocationTech's discussion list. I'm hoping to enable inclusive discussion about an idea. Bit of background, this coming May (19-21), LocationTech Summit is co-hosted with Location Intelligence in Washington D.C. http://www.locationintelligence.net/. Travel restrictions for Federal Government employees for instance meant holding this in D.C. was important in 2014. We have started planning for 2015, and I wanted to reach out and see if an idea might be of interest to the greater community. The idea is to co-host LocationTech Summit, FOSS4G North America, and EclipseCon next year in the spring. For those that haven't been: * EclipseCon is a great developer conference covers topics that I feel may be a really nice complement such as Science, Internet of Things, Automotive, Software development best practice, and more. While there are some awesome talks in the area, it's not just about the IDE. :-) * FOSS4G NA is the regional sibling of FOSS4G Global, also a great developer conference, and focused on geospatial technologies. It is a must attend event if you're into web mapping or looking for open source GIS solutions. * LocationTech Summit is new (first one this May), similar to FOSS4G however perhaps has a stronger focus on high performance geoprocessing technologies and new technologies like GeoGit for instance. * My feeble attempt at contrast aside, I think these last two will see a lot of the same speakers audience. A few thoughts: * We believe a combined event could likely be done to prioritize camaraderie which is so important for open source projects community. i.e. avoid anyone feeling lost in a huge event. * We feel the mutual outreach to people across communities would be really useful, interesting, and spark wonderful ideas we can't predict. * The logistical work can be done by full time conference organizers who organize EclipseCon each year. The program is up to the communities to set. * For those seeking suppliers, partners, customers, this should make for more opportunities. * Profit sharing with significant participating groups is doable. We're glad to help figure out a fair and amicable solution. * Ensuring each group are well served is a priority of course. We think this combined event might attract people who might not otherwise come to any of them. But we'll have to try and see. Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Is this a good idea? Interested? Kind regards, Andrew I agree that Foss4g and LocationTech share interest and that separately LocationTech and EclipseCon share interest. However the jump from Foss4g to EclipseCon is only a small overlap of the communities. This statement doesn't really differentiate LocationTech from Foss4g for me: ...however perhaps has a stronger focus on high performance geoprocessing technologies and new technologies like GeoGit for instance. Plenty of Foss4g is interested in those topics. I see nothing in LocationTech that isn't also part of Foss4g conceptually. Just a focus on the Eclipse community for implementation methods. Perhaps LocationTech should split itself and partake in both things separately. e.g. LocationTech tracks and submeetings at each conference? I wouldn't be opposed to Foss4gNA taking place a few days before or after EclipseCon depending on location and timing. This happens with OSM state of the map conference sometimes. Note we strive for Foss4gNA to be offset in the calendar from Foss4g 4-6 months. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [location-iwg] 2015 North American conference
Yes and no. I was at the DC Fossg4NA. Location did matter for the set of attendees there, but choice of location also prevents attendance. If the goal is penetration into the Federal market, DC is important. If the goal is to foster Foss4g around North America then it needs to move around so that people in small non-profits, state agencies, tech start-ups can also make it. Also it's not just travel restrictions but price - DC isn't the cheapest place to fly or stay depending on dates. Basically, there are some states with plenty of Federal employees (regional staff) and plenty of State employees who also face travel restrictions. There's almost 0% chance a state employee from California can get to DC for a conference. Not sure what the situation for New York,Texas, Colorado, Oregon, Washington are either. That's a huge chunk of potential missing. That doesn't even cover Canada or Mexico, which I can't really speak for at all. Thanks, Alex On 04/04/2014 02:31 PM, Jody Garnett wrote: The travel restrictions offer quite a strong direction don't they? Do we have anyone who can speak about the previous FOSS4G-NA event? -- Jody Jody Garnett On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Please excuse the cross post between OSGeo's discuss conference_dev lists as well as LocationTech's discussion list. I'm hoping to enable inclusive discussion about an idea. Bit of background, this coming May (19-21), LocationTech Summit is co-hosted with Location Intelligence in Washington D.C.http://www.locationintelligence.net/. Travel restrictions for Federal Government employees for instance meant holding this in D.C. was important in 2014. We have started planning for 2015, and I wanted to reach out and see if an idea might be of interest to the greater community. The idea is to co-host LocationTech Summit, FOSS4G North America, and EclipseCon next year in the spring. For those that haven't been: - EclipseCon is a great developer conference covers topics that I feel may be a really nice complement such as Science, Internet of Things, Automotive, Software development best practice, and more. While there are some awesome talks in the area, it's not just about the IDE. :-) - FOSS4G NA is the regional sibling of FOSS4G Global, also a great developer conference, and focused on geospatial technologies. It is a must attend event if you're into web mapping or looking for open source GIS solutions. - LocationTech Summit is new (first one this May), similar to FOSS4G however perhaps has a stronger focus on high performance geoprocessing technologies and new technologies like GeoGit for instance. - My feeble attempt at contrast aside, I think these last two will see a lot of the same speakers audience. A few thoughts: - We believe a combined event could likely be done to prioritize camaraderie which is so important for open source projects community. i.e. avoid anyone feeling lost in a huge event. - We feel the mutual outreach to people across communities would be really useful, interesting, and spark wonderful ideas we can't predict. - The logistical work can be done by full time conference organizers who organize EclipseCon each year. The program is up to the communities to set. - For those seeking suppliers, partners, customers, this should make for more opportunities. - Profit sharing with significant participating groups is doable. We're glad to help figure out a fair and amicable solution. - Ensuring each group are well served is a priority of course. We think this combined event might attract people who might not otherwise come to any of them. But we'll have to try and see. Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Is this a good idea? Interested? Kind regards, Andrew ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Ubuntu vs. Centos for GIS?
On 04/02/2014 11:13 AM, David Strom wrote: We have a project where people are using R Grass GDAL for various sorts of Geoprocessing. The first server we put up is running Ubuntu 12.0.4, and we installed Grass, Gdal, etc. from repository(ies) - i.e., we didn't build it. 2nd server is running Centos, because of EMC SAN storage, thought it might be easier because RedHat is supported by EMC, but not Ubuntu. Installed Grass, GDAL, etc. from elgis repository. Centos system can't create BigTiffs, but the Ubuntu system can (GDAL page says BigTiff should be supported by default, I think0, so we're wondering if we should switch that system over to running Ubuntu. I wonder if anyone has any experience(s) to share in picking a Linux distro, pro or con. I don't mean to complain about anyone's repository, we just don't have that much time to devote to admin efforts, so we would rather install FOSS from repositories, rather than having to build everything. Opinions, stories? TIA -- In general, the current state of affairs, is the DebianGIS and UbuntuGIS repositories are more up to date and managed than the ELGis (Redhat/Centos/Fedora) group. I suspect it's simply a reflection of people hours available and put into the respective systems. The other option is the OpenSuse build service which has both Suse and some Redhat builds (the main person behind this is also on Ubuntugis Team) https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Application:Geo OR I think the Postgis/Postgres teams have a somewhat up to date repo of some stuff http://yum.postgresql.org/packages.php I'd assume the build difference in drivers is mostly dependency libraries and compile time options. GDAL is tricky in that if you need some formats you can't really avoid compiling it. Of course compiling GDAL does not mean you have to compile everything else you need. Or you can bug and bribe the package managers about why they didn't include a particular format and what it takes to add it (non-free formats, it's a licensing issue). Thanks, Alex Disclaimer: I'm on the UbuntuGIS/DebianGIS lists and not the ELGis. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] can not unzip osgeo live
On 03/28/2014 01:28 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote: Hi, I have problems with unpacing osgeo-live CD (current version), am I the only one? === $ p7zip -d osgeo-live-vm-7.9.7z 7-Zip (A) [64] 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18 p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=C,Utf16=off,HugeFiles=on,4 CPUs) Processing archive: osgeo-live-vm-7.9.7z Extracting osgeo-live-vm-7.9/osgeo-live-7.9.vmdk ERROR: E_FAIL $ === md5sum of the archive seems to be ok $ md5sum /media/jachym/DISKETA/osgeo-live-vm-7.9.7z bd2934de737426c5acb38b71ad1f2022 /media/jachym/DISKETA/osgeo-live-vm-7.9.7z $ Thanks Jachym What OS/distro? That appears to be the same version we 7zip with. I did extract it on a windows box earlier this week, haven't tried on my Ubuntu machine. We do use max compression but I doubt that's the issue. FYI, we have a mailing list for the project: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo I'm moving this thread to that list. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] istSOS new application request [was: Final OSGeo-Live 7.9]
Maxi, It's too late for this version, but version 8 in 6 months is a good possibility. Here's the info on how to add a new project. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project Start by replying to the live-demo list with your answers to http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Application_Questions Thanks, Alex On 02/23/2014 01:03 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: Hi Cameron, would it possible to include istSOS (http://sourceforge.net/projects/istsos/) to live dvd ? In the case, could you indicate me the procedure? Thanks, maxi On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.comwrote: We are calling for help for the final OSGeo-Live testing sprint, this weekend, 22-23 February 2014, and the following couple of days. We really want OSGeo seasoned developers to find any outstanding issues, rather than having them found in workshops or by new users in the released version. So please consider joining our testing-sprint to verify everything works. (The many testers in our last sprint made a big difference to quality of our 50+ applications) 1. Sign up at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_46#Participants 2. Download ISO from: http://aiolos.survey.ntua.gr/gisvm/7.9/ 3. Chat about your progress with us at: irc://irc.freenode.net#osgeolive 4. Update your testing status at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQVJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXchl=en_GB#gid=13 We aim to have each application tested by both someone familiar with it, and someone less familiar. Schedule - 21 Feb 2014: OSGeo-Live 7.9 RC3 available for download - 22 Feb 2014: UAT testing starts - 07 Mar 2014: OSGeo-Live 7.9 (final) sent to printers -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to edit the page of the main site
On 02/14/2014 01:44 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Markus Neteler nete...@osgeo.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bu Kun bu...@osgeo.cn wrote: Hi All, I want to change some information on http://www.osgeo.org/local/china;. However, I found I can do nothing when I login with the UserID. Will anybody know what to do ? I tried myself: - you have to login using the link at left-bottom of the page - then again *reload* the page you want to edit and there should be an edit tab Our Drupal installation is a bit funny here and does not bring you automatically into the edit mode as I would also expect (like the Wiki for example). I am not too familiar with our Drupal installation but found this (incomplete?) Wiki page explaining the roles: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Drupal_Portal#CMS_Permissions The role defines what a user is allowed to do and what she gets to see. WebCom (url) votes for users to get roles. I guess you need to make a formal request to get into an editor role. Best Markus Yes additional permissions are required. I believe there's a translators group and a way to grant permissions per page. I don't have time today to look into it but someone should be able to handle the request in the next few days. Generally yes Webcom, but if they aren't active Outreach(Marketing) can refer to the System Admin asking for permissions. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New to OSGeo
On 01/28/2014 11:04 AM, Pulkit Agarwal wrote: Hello, I'm new to OSGeo and would like to contribute. I read the various prerequisites in terms of knowledge of different platforms of the organization. And i have basic idea of almost all the platforms mentioned. In-fact i worked on an academic project involving Open street maps.At the moment, I don't have a particular area in mind but I'm excited to work in various interesting topics. So how should I start? I'm also looking up to GSOC 2014 and perhaps do a project for OSGeo. Where should I get the latest news regarding it like the list of projects, mentors etc.? Regards, Pulkit Agarwal Welcome, We haven't started a 2014 GSOC page yet on the wiki.osgeo.org but there is a mailing list: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/soc Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham archiving
On 12/04/2013 08:00 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com wrote: There's already a repository for 2013 at http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2013/ it has some files in it (mainly bid documents at present that I uploaded at the start of the process). I'm currently wgetting the basecamp project that we were using, so I can verify that we will also be archiving that- however until it finishes I don't know how much disk space it's going to take up. Okay, so as long as OSGeo isn't bothered with over 300Mb of map gallery binaries (which shouldn't change) being upped there I'll get on with it. Barry The size in general is not an issue. You're right that sticking that much in svn is usually a pain, but not if it's one time deal. This is a good question for the System Admin Committee to ponder though. I think most people would want a static clone of the site in some way to continue to exist, and we do have servers we can put that on. So under this plan you would put it in svn, and we would checkout the subfolder to a web server and serve up the static copy. Let's see if anyone else has a better idea this week. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] packaging mailing list
I was thinking more that Debian/Ubuntu people might not want to join yet another list that may or may not provide anything useful for the deb world. There are a couple of people in the community who span this gap (Angelos) but that seems rare. So I'm wondering if an RPM list is in order to let the rpm family work more closely. Of course this could be a generic packaging list. Thanks, Alex On 10/29/2013 11:36 AM, Daniel Morissette wrote: Are we sure...? The only things certain in life are death and taxes. ;-) More seriously, there is probably enough *nix specific stuff to be discussed to make it worthwhile, but it could as well be simply called packaging and open to all platform packagers, however we may find that *nix packagers will get bored of windows issues and vice-versa. All this to say that either name works for me. Daniel On 13-10-28 12:49 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: Are we sure there's enough Linux specific packaging dicsussions to not make it a more generic list that covers issues that apply to osgeo4w, *BSD, OS X, mobile platforms (not mention Cygwin, Macports, homebrew, etc...)? Ubuntu and Debian already have lists specific to them. Or is this the RPM world trying to collaborate? Thanks, Alex On 10/22/2013 06:02 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: Hi Daniel, +1 on the linux-packaging name. Best, Angelos On 10/21/2013 08:19 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote: Hi Angelos, I like the idea. If the goal is to focus on Linux packaging, then perhaps the list should be named linux-packaging, to leave room for other lists for other platforms if/when needed (e.g. windows-packaging). FYI, once you are ready you should create a SAC ticket to have the list created, using the System Admin component at http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ Daniel On 13-10-18 11:40 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: Hi all, There have been some IRC discussions between Fedora-GIS and openSUSE Geo maintainers to join forces (as possible) regarding the packaging of geospatial applications. We feel that such packaging projects (DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS, ELGIS, Fedora-GIS, App:Geo, Arch AUR etc) could at least share patches, workarounds, ideas, maybe even some code (especially when being on a common RPM or DEB format). Then we thought: What if there was a common mailing list that all GNU/Linux packagers could join and discuss? And who would be better to host such a list than OSGeo? So this is the proposal: Lets create an OSGeo packaging mailing list and lets work together. At first we can announce new packages being created for every distro out there. Then perhaps we can share some tickets etc. We *know* that every distro has its own ways of doing things and we are not proposing merging, but collaborating as much as possible... Thoughts? Cheers, Angelos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] packaging mailing list
Are we sure there's enough Linux specific packaging dicsussions to not make it a more generic list that covers issues that apply to osgeo4w, *BSD, OS X, mobile platforms (not mention Cygwin, Macports, homebrew, etc...)? Ubuntu and Debian already have lists specific to them. Or is this the RPM world trying to collaborate? Thanks, Alex On 10/22/2013 06:02 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: Hi Daniel, +1 on the linux-packaging name. Best, Angelos On 10/21/2013 08:19 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote: Hi Angelos, I like the idea. If the goal is to focus on Linux packaging, then perhaps the list should be named linux-packaging, to leave room for other lists for other platforms if/when needed (e.g. windows-packaging). FYI, once you are ready you should create a SAC ticket to have the list created, using the System Admin component at http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ Daniel On 13-10-18 11:40 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: Hi all, There have been some IRC discussions between Fedora-GIS and openSUSE Geo maintainers to join forces (as possible) regarding the packaging of geospatial applications. We feel that such packaging projects (DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS, ELGIS, Fedora-GIS, App:Geo, Arch AUR etc) could at least share patches, workarounds, ideas, maybe even some code (especially when being on a common RPM or DEB format). Then we thought: What if there was a common mailing list that all GNU/Linux packagers could join and discuss? And who would be better to host such a list than OSGeo? So this is the proposal: Lets create an OSGeo packaging mailing list and lets work together. At first we can announce new packages being created for every distro out there. Then perhaps we can share some tickets etc. We *know* that every distro has its own ways of doing things and we are not proposing merging, but collaborating as much as possible... Thoughts? Cheers, Angelos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .)
Sure, but it should be the GIO's role to decide when to go with one solution vs another. To me that is their job description. Duties: Assess and plan implementation of geospatial software solutions that meet the needs of the science team. Includes web, field, desktop and database geospatial integration. Implements open standards when possible to ensure maximum interoperability and flexibility of solutions. Implements cross platform solutions for Windows, Linux, Mac, tablets and other systems already in use, Stated Preference: We prefer a candidate with experience implementing open source geospatial solutions. Current implementation includes a variety of commercial, open source, mixed and customized geospatial applications. The decision to go open source is then framed, and in the interview process, if your office has culture of Open Source you weed out candidates by their philosphy towards Open Source. This should be a valid way to judge candidates. By stating a preference for someone who already has experience or is willing to use open source its a line to divide by. It'll be pretty hard to find non open source solutions that meet at the requirements above. Thanks, Alex On 10/16/2013 09:00 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote: Norman, We're thoroughly entrenched with a OpenSource installation right along side a bunch of commercial products. It's been very hard for any commercial vendor to even get a leg up in our office for a number of years now because we've got so much stuff already working via OpenSource (and also available to the commercial products.) However, we still don't have a top level position to over see these things, and there is still splintering of resources that is taking place. Bobb From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Norman Vine Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:57 AM To: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.org) Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .) disc On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Arnie, Vendor lock-in, or rather preventing it, would be a strong second as far as reasons go, but it's not really applicable to describing a positions work items (I don't think) and seems like it might be closer to a policy issue (in my mind). Thanks for the feedback. Bobb Bobb I would argue that one needs an OpenSource Reference implementation to vet adherence to any OpenStandard In fact I would go even further and say that any new OpenStandard proposal should be accompanied by an OpenSource implementation before acceptance as such Norman -Original Message- From: Arnie Shore [mailto:shor...@gmail.comhttp://gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:04 AM To: Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) Cc: osgeo-discuss (discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org) Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining a GIO position (or attmepting to . . .) Well, adherence to standards is integral to the issue of interoperability, a critical project success factor in this increasingly interconnected world. And, there's no motivation for vendor lock-in, since the revenue protection motivation (usually!) doesn't exist. (I can tell you re all of the verbiage I've excreted in a prior life justifying sole-source procurements.) Also, possibly important for the devout among us is that the Good Lord must love standards; She made so many of them! AS On 10/16/13, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.usmailto:bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote: Hi all, I wonder if I could get some feedback on the following statement, I'm looking for the other side of the argument (I know it's hard to put yourself there :c). Open Source software enforces standards ... snip / ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] One Lecture on Open Source Geospatial
Here are my slides that I've remixed a few times for various guest lectures in College GIS courses. http://www.scribd.com/doc/172165387/Introduction-to-Geospatial-The-open-source-method I mostly cover how the license makes it different, but students shouldn't be afraid of it - then how you can do all the same things you would expect, sometimes easier and sometimes harder than any other software option. Enjoy, Alex On 09/30/2013 08:05 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: A colleague who lectures on GIS at the university asked me if I'd give him some advice on open-source geospatial so he could at least introduce his third year geography environmental science undergraduates to the idea. Thanks to the joy of site licenses the students get to use ACME Proprietary GIS System without having to worry about the cost. So anyway, I offered to teach the lecture for him. What can I do in 50 minutes (and possibly a workshop) for 90 undergraduates? Here's a brain dump: Compare and contrast: Free/Open/Proprietary/Closed/Commercial. Copyright/Licensing/GPL/Copyleft etc. Open Standards: formation and importance - talk about the OGC, general goodness of interoperability Open source development advantages/perceived disadvantages and rejoinders to those. Commercialising Open Source, open source in industry. Open Source in Education - reproducible science, 'climategate' as a failure of openness? Case Studies: Open source in government - global deployments as case studies Open source in the UK: Ordnance Survey/Met Office case studies - thats probably enough for 50 minutes. If I can do a workshop I'd probably just get them to boot up OSGeo Live and play with QGIS for an hour, maybe try and duplicate one of their GIS exercises from an earlier module (load layers, buffer, overlay, report...). Any thoughts? Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] One Lecture on Open Source Geospatial
I forgot to mention I have a 1-2 hour QGIS workshop that covers the basics of vector and raster with a dataset. Been meaning to post it, I've done it with OSGeo Live several times. If you want it let me know. Thanks, Alex On 09/30/2013 10:18 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: Here are my slides that I've remixed a few times for various guest lectures in College GIS courses. http://www.scribd.com/doc/172165387/Introduction-to-Geospatial-The-open-source-method I mostly cover how the license makes it different, but students shouldn't be afraid of it - then how you can do all the same things you would expect, sometimes easier and sometimes harder than any other software option. Enjoy, Alex On 09/30/2013 08:05 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: A colleague who lectures on GIS at the university asked me if I'd give him some advice on open-source geospatial so he could at least introduce his third year geography environmental science undergraduates to the idea. Thanks to the joy of site licenses the students get to use ACME Proprietary GIS System without having to worry about the cost. So anyway, I offered to teach the lecture for him. What can I do in 50 minutes (and possibly a workshop) for 90 undergraduates? Here's a brain dump: Compare and contrast: Free/Open/Proprietary/Closed/Commercial. Copyright/Licensing/GPL/Copyleft etc. Open Standards: formation and importance - talk about the OGC, general goodness of interoperability Open source development advantages/perceived disadvantages and rejoinders to those. Commercialising Open Source, open source in industry. Open Source in Education - reproducible science, 'climategate' as a failure of openness? Case Studies: Open source in government - global deployments as case studies Open source in the UK: Ordnance Survey/Met Office case studies - thats probably enough for 50 minutes. If I can do a workshop I'd probably just get them to boot up OSGeo Live and play with QGIS for an hour, maybe try and duplicate one of their GIS exercises from an earlier module (load layers, buffer, overlay, report...). Any thoughts? Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions
Ian, That plan is I think the same conclusion I had reached. That some parts of the site simply need to be recoded, and I would open that it does not necessarily have to be drupal if we have experts in other platforms willing to jump in, things like the Service directory can easily be django or other platforms heavily used in the community. Our current goal, is to move the current site as is if possible over to the OSUOSL hosted machines. We hit a snag in PHP being too new for the older drupal and it broke some stuff. www.osgeo2.org I think it is. If we can pull that off it would allow us to retire osgeo1 which is somewhat expensive to run, and would potentially free up funds to put towards re-coding of the site. FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a Trac instance? Thanks, Alex On 09/27/2013 03:31 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: Thanks Alex, Frank. I'm happy to leave the project management tools (basecamp) alone and lean more on SAC. I'm also keen to make extensive use of the wiki pages and to fill in missing documentation as we go. Looking through our custom Drupal modules I believe that we're unlikely to find an upgrade path that will work - I suspect we're looking at a detailed investigation of the functionality of the current site, followed by a rebuild in Drupal 8 and automating the migration of content across. We can have several attempts at this in a development environment before performing live migration tests and then making the decision to move across to the new site when all of the requirements have been met. Alex - I'm very interested in hearing the thoughts of your Drupal colleague. If he agrees with this route then I think we should get started and we can use WebCom to report regular progress on the specifics. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd like to start some closed discussions. If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure then please join us. We'll report back progress on the open WebCom mailing list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly documented and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving forwards. Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion. Ian Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by members of the System Administration committee. Everything except security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if someone has taken the time to write it up. Alex, Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund. Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which touch on SAC. Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by other things (we can probably find old message thread for background). Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to change on a running site. I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with whether there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting committee issue. Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen. It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some updates to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a newer drupal. Right, I actually have someone who looked at it briefly (A drupal expert I work with), the trouble was we didn't have all the non-standard Drupal add-ons documented, so its hard to figure out how to keep them working right. If we feed him the right info, I can bug him to get it done or give us a quote if it'll cost some hours. That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of closed discussions and use of some thing called basecamp. Ian - why are closed discussions valuable other than the need to be protective of a few passwords? I agree, no need for basecamp (I do know what it is). We have a wiki and should use it. Best regards, Frank Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions
The translation tools Drupal 7+ look quite good. On the flipside there's much discussion of Pootle[1] I was more thinking of splitting out the core site functions (Classic CMS with feeds) from some other components that are separate apps in a way. Anyways I'm meeting with Dave (my Drupal coworker) next week. If you have a good list of Apps/Functions/Services from the site that we can go through in planning and testing a move that would help. Thanks, Alex [1] http://pootle.translatehouse.org/ On 09/27/2013 01:52 PM, Ian Edwards wrote: agreed - we should keep implementation options open at this stage, I'm equally happy with Django and I'll try to help with other options if they're chosen. I'll do some investigations into Drupal 8's multilingual support and see if it supports the following requirement: We have to keep in mind that translation is being done by a growing bunch of people who have little or no technical background. We need this to be bullet proof and we need well defined processes on how to create translations and whether or how to translate news / community spotlights, etc. [1] I'll report back on the WebCom list [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/202 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: Ian, That plan is I think the same conclusion I had reached. That some parts of the site simply need to be recoded, and I would open that it does not necessarily have to be drupal if we have experts in other platforms willing to jump in, things like the Service directory can easily be django or other platforms heavily used in the community. Our current goal, is to move the current site as is if possible over to the OSUOSL hosted machines. We hit a snag in PHP being too new for the older drupal and it broke some stuff. www.osgeo2.org I think it is. If we can pull that off it would allow us to retire osgeo1 which is somewhat expensive to run, and would potentially free up funds to put towards re-coding of the site. FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a Trac instance? Thanks, Alex On 09/27/2013 03:31 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: Thanks Alex, Frank. I'm happy to leave the project management tools (basecamp) alone and lean more on SAC. I'm also keen to make extensive use of the wiki pages and to fill in missing documentation as we go. Looking through our custom Drupal modules I believe that we're unlikely to find an upgrade path that will work - I suspect we're looking at a detailed investigation of the functionality of the current site, followed by a rebuild in Drupal 8 and automating the migration of content across. We can have several attempts at this in a development environment before performing live migration tests and then making the decision to move across to the new site when all of the requirements have been met. Alex - I'm very interested in hearing the thoughts of your Drupal colleague. If he agrees with this route then I think we should get started and we can use WebCom to report regular progress on the specifics. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd like to start some closed discussions. If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure then please join us. We'll report back progress on the open WebCom mailing list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly documented and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving forwards. Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion. Ian Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by members of the System Administration committee. Everything except security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if someone has taken the time to write it up. Alex, Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund. Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which touch on SAC. Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by other things (we can probably find old message thread for background). Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to change on a running site. I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with whether there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting committee issue. Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen. It is hopefully just
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions
On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd like to start some closed discussions. If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure then please join us. We'll report back progress on the open WebCom mailing list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly documented and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving forwards. Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion. Ian Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by members of the System Administration committee. Everything except security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if someone has taken the time to write it up. I think to start you might want to relook at what's the role of Webcom is in relation to Marketing(Outreach) and Sys Admin committees. It got blurry a while back, and the major thing we hoped Webcom would handle - migration of main OSGeo site to a new look and feel on a newer server (so we can retire the old server) stalled after a few iterations of design mockups. Thanks, Alex System Administration Committee Chair Marketing/Outreach Committee Member PS: I'm not looking to join another committee so I'd rather take questions publicly and see proposals that involve system changes get sent from Webcom to SAC when necessary. Sorting out what committee does what seems like an inter-committee thing so probably should happen on OSGeo Discuss. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions
On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote: To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd like to start some closed discussions. If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo infrastructure then please join us. We'll report back progress on the open WebCom mailing list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly documented and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving forwards. Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion. Ian Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you the new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by members of the System Administration committee. Everything except security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if someone has taken the time to write it up. Alex, Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund. Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which touch on SAC. Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by other things (we can probably find old message thread for background). Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to change on a running site. I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with whether there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting committee issue. Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen. It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some updates to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a newer drupal. Right, I actually have someone who looked at it briefly (A drupal expert I work with), the trouble was we didn't have all the non-standard Drupal add-ons documented, so its hard to figure out how to keep them working right. If we feed him the right info, I can bug him to get it done or give us a quote if it'll cost some hours. That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of closed discussions and use of some thing called basecamp. Ian - why are closed discussions valuable other than the need to be protective of a few passwords? I agree, no need for basecamp (I do know what it is). We have a wiki and should use it. Best regards, Frank Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future
On 09/20/2013 02:45 PM, Tamas Szekeres wrote: 2013/9/20 Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it I suggest to make a Steering Committee for OSGEO4W, so to have a clear roadmap, and give Windows (urgh!) users a predictable environment. I think some of our million users would be happy to support this effort, if they would know they contribute actively to something they need. Hi Paolo, I agree with you entrirely, as we've already been talking about this today. Being committed to provide usable binaries on Windows, you can count me in. Setting up a build environment (probably a version of a Windows Server x64 edition with MSVC2010 for instance) providing to compile all the stuff at the same place would be a prerequisite. Best regards, Tamas I'm actually already providing such an instance and was planning to clone it to several instances as well as a testing instance. Frank has the keys to drive it and has been using it for several months already. It's part of my lab's participation in the ICA-OSGeo initiative. http://geospatial.ucdavis.edu/resources/open-source Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future
On 09/20/2013 05:33 PM, Dave Patton wrote: On 2013/09/20 16:39, Alex Mandel wrote: Unlike OSGeoLive we can't supply VMs as that takes paid licenses for the software in question. Alex - could you please clarify what you mean by this statement. Thanks We can't give out Windows Virtual Machine(VM) images with Visual Studio already installed. The Licensing terms of Windows and Visual studio don't allow for that, even if the end user has a valid license its probably not legal. The only exception might be if we make a Windows Azure image that can be cloned on that platform, since I believe paying for an Azure instance automatically gives you the Windows License. Which is different from Ubuntu (what we build OSGeoLive on top of), free and open source software that is gratis too. We can build derivates all we want and hand them out. Were you thinking I meant something else? What we can do is create an installer or scripts that makes it easier to deploy a build environment on top of an already installed Windows, I defer this back to being a subcomponent of osgeo4w. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot
Paul, If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the svn repository directly (see http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion). Or you can send the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list ( http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or attach it to a ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ ) Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the discussion. Thanks, Alex On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: Hi Alex, Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly certain we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be great, are you the person to send that type of information to? This is something that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side. If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome fairly easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM format we'll push that upstream too. Thanks, Paul Ramirez On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: All, Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight. I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community catalog of VMs that could be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I would eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that much effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this wasn't already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially redistribute this work. The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy way to get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to do such a thing. A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to participate on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've worked for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community. Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all the people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Paul Ramirez [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html [2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it yet, so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can even add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure based on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one has done that yet either. Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format... Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The OSGeo response to the proposed GeoServices REST API document [was: Would you be concerned ...]
Adrian, Thanks for the in depth review. I admit I haven't read the document over thoroughly but even without doing so there are some obvious concerns. From a user perspective (my user), this appears to be a push to get their way of doing things stamped as a standard so they can let their users (e.g. government agencies) claim compliance with Open Standards without having to use WxS. I can see this first hand with my own personal experience trying to get WFS/GML to work with Arc (supposedly supported with special add ons) and government agencies thinking if they put up an Arc Service they've done their duty: https://services.gis.ca.gov/arcgis/rest/services/Government/CPAD_19/MapServer (Note the confusing url that implies MapServer software, and the lack of any non ESRI web service on the page) To me it looks like they are trying to get out of spending the money to fix their products so they place nice with all the existing services. I agree though, that simply turning ESRI away isn't a solution either, at least they came to the same standards body unlike the OASIS/ISO debacle over Office formats. Is there someone in the OGC community that could reach out and negotiate a plan to merge their work and ideas with the existing standards instead of creating a direct competition to what is already widely adopted. If they really want it to be a standard they have to be willing to compromise on some feature to make it more interoperable, in a sense kml did this by not including all the possibilities in the original spec. I also agree 50+1 is a bad bar for a standards body. Which reminds me that I dropped the ball on renewing my institution’s membership (though I don't think it had voting rights). Thanks, Alex On 05/09/2013 10:56 AM, Adrian Custer wrote: On 5/9/13 2:33 PM, Tim Bowden wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 13:20 -0300, Adrian Custer wrote: Hey Cameron, all, ... * The letter is only rejection of the proposal without offering an alternative way forwards. I strongly suspect the proposed standard would have received a much better reception from the broader OSGeo community (with the diverse viewpoints it typically has) if the proposal was more that a take it or leave it (partial?) description of what ESRI has done and is going to do anyway. Undoubtedly. This was as undiplomatic as they could have been. If there was at least some willingness to engage with the broader community on interoperability within the standard (and how do you have interoperability if you aren't willing to budge from a pre-defined position anyway?). And there would have been more participation at the OGC. Lots of folk were excited at the start but gave up when backwards compatibility was set in stone. Perhaps ESRI didn't realise their approach was going to come across with an up you attitude (or maybe they did)? The impression I've got it that many people feel ESRI is treating the OGC as a rubber stamp body (which very much implies arrogant contempt) regardless of the merits of the proposal. Much more likely, ESRI is trying to push through its standard, distinct from expecting the OGC to 'rubber stamp' it. They knew from the get go they were going to face this opposition. The only question is who is stronger. This is a good example of the limits of governance at the OGC. Really, a standard should not pass when there is concerted opposition to it. The process is designed to suspend when there is opposition (2 no votes), in an effort to build consensus. However, the ultimate decision is still a 50% + 1 vote; probably, it should be a super-majority of some kind. Hopefully I've got it wrong and ESRI really just botched their approach on this one (why do I feel this is naive wishful thinking?). FWIW, I don't believe having an alternate incompatible standard must of itself be a deal breaker, if the proposed standard genuinely represents a viable attempt at interoperability. After all, the wonderful thing about standards is there are so many to choose from. ;) Lets just not pretend it's about genuine interoperability unless that really is the case. I doubt anyone is that naive. Regards, Tim Bowden cheers, ~adrian ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] West Coast USA Conference
On 05/07/2013 06:54 PM, Landon Blake wrote: I've been tossing around the idea of organizing an open source GIS conference on the USA West Coast. I'd thought it would be good to bounce that idea by this general discussion list. I think the organization of a conference could be spearheaded by the California Chapter under my lead. I know the PDX chapter is also on the West Coast and may be interested. If we couldn't swing a self-hosted event I think there is a good change I could get a day on the program of the California/Nevada land surveyors conference, which is usually in Reno every spring. This would greatly reduce the cost, and would have the added benefit of bringing in some extra revenue to the surveying conference. I have some connections with the California surveying organization that puts on the Reno conference and I serve on their GIS Committee. I would be able to explore this option with them. Please let me know if you would be interested in helping me organize a one or two day event on the West Coast. If there is enough support, I'll open a more detailed discussion on the California Chapter mailing list, and will try to see if there are enough volunteers to form a West Coast conference committee. My employer might be willing to help sponsor some of the costs for a smaller self-hosted event for 50 to 100 people. I don't want this to take the steam out of a national USA FOSS4G conference. But I think there is a good opportunity to capture the interest of local folks that won't attend a national conference, especially in the Silicon Valley. Perhaps we could coordinate with the USA FOSS4G folks to have an event in California every two or three years? Please share your thoughts. Landon I think you should try to organize a committee to bring Foss4g NA to the west coast. Northern California, Oregon or Washington all have a decent number of folks to help with that. Not sure if next years location has already been selected yet or not. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] Are there opportunities to collaborate in the GIS Portal market?
I'll modify/add to that list: localwiki is not a a GeoPortal it's a place based wiki, quite different from the others (It's not meant to catalog data sets, it's meant to catalog the real world with geotags/geofences). Example: https://scruzwiki.org/ Geodjango is a framework for creating such sites and really doesn't need to be installed separate as the python lib can be shared by all sites on the system: localwiki is built on GeoDjango (I can't recall if Geonode is Geodjango or just django). .. So it's more like a Library. More geoportals: OpenGeoPortal http://opengeoportal.org/ Lead contacts are at Tufts Univ. Eoxserver http://eoxserver.org/ Contact: Stephan Meissl Note on Geonode, it has a 3 member PSC - 1 member is from OpenGeo (originator and heavy contributor) I can ask on the mailing list who wants to be the contact. Commentary: There seem to be a few groupings(Several cross, but I'm not sure any are in all); Editors - Data is primarily created/edited via the website, collaborative digitizing Catalogs - Data is uploaded with metadata and can be searched for and downloaded Visualization - Data is uploaded, you can style it and compose a map from the layers, and publish the map Services - Data uploaded is exposed externally via OGC services Thanks, Alex On 11/14/2012 02:11 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: As we are are planning for our next OSGeo-Live 6.5 release, we are now seeing a number geospatial portal applications which all seem to be doing roughly the same thing, and are being developed independently of each other. (see list below) It seems to be a crowded market space which would be daunting for purchasers looking to find the right project, and which I expect would benefit from a level of consolidation. I'd like to hear thoughts from stakeholders in each of these projects. Am I missing something here, what is unique about your specific project? Are there opportunities for collaboration? Merging of functionality between projects often has an effort cost up front, but pays off long term as you share developers and sponsors across one codebase instead of two. Spatial portal I'm aware of: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Packages#Package_wishlist Localwiki a local place based wiki software.http://www.localwiki.org Contact: Philip Neustrom Geodjango a python framework for building geo websites, it's what localwiki is built on. Maybe we can copy the existing tutorial which in RST. http://geodjango.org/Contact: Justin Bronn GeoNode http://geonode.org/A packaged stack of PostGIS/GeoServer/GeoNetwork. It's primary goal is to let users upload data sets, fill out minimal metadata, then allow it all to be remixed in web maps and shared out viaWMS, WFS, Tiles, etc.As of May 2012, requires a custom GeoServer Contact: ?, Being developed by OpenGeo EasySDI http://www.easysdi.org/EasySDI is a simple and ready-to-use solution to deploy a Spatial Data Infrastructure (SDI) based on ISO/OGC standards. The solution is particularly designed for setting up discovery, view and download services in a securized environement with rights management and multilingual support.Contact: Xavier Merour GisClient http://www.gisclient.orgweb authoring tool configurator for GIS projects, based on Mapserver/OpenLayers. Applied for OSGeo incubation, http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/910Contact: Roberto Starnini i3Geo i3Geo allows the creation of interactive maps on the Web and dissemination of data through OGC services and download of data https://gvsig.org/web/projects/i3GeoContact: Valenty Gonzalez Cartaro GIS CMS Geospatial CMS based upon Drupal, PostGIS, GeoServer, GeoWebCache and OpenLayers.http://cartaro.org/overviewContact: Patric Hafner Current OSGeo-Live Web Portals GeoMOOSE A browser based mapping framework for displaying distributed cartographic data. It is particularly useful for managing spatial and non-spatial data within county, city and municipal offices (from which GeoMoose originated). http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/geomoose_overview.htmlContact: Bob Basques GeoMajas Geomajas is an extensible web mapping framework which seamlessly integrates powerful server side algorithms into the web browser. http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/geomajas_overview.htmlContact: Pieter De Graef MapBender Web based geoportal framework to publish, register, view, navigate, monitor and grant secure access to spatial data infrastructure services. http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/mapbender_overview.htmlContact: Astrid Emde ___ Live-demo mailing list live-d...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how to produce a Peirce quincuncial map?
On 08/13/2012 05:29 AM, G. Allegri wrote: As far as I know PROJ4 cannot apply the Peirce quincuncial projection. Does anybody know what libraries/softwares can manage it? giovanni I've seen it done in GIMP with a plugin, not exactly manageable data but the right output. Other than that there was one proprietary tool I saw once that specialized in oddball projections. Enjoy, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Live-demo] OSGeoLive 6.0 beta9 status
North American mirror is up http://live.osgeo.org/dev/build On 08/08/2012 08:00 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: Greetings, After 8 days of restless development we are releasing beta 9 towards version 6.0 of OSGeoLive: [1], [2] After our last release (beta7) we came across a blocker issue: remastersys, our method for creating iso files on all our previous releases, proved to be broken for Xubuntu 12.04. The result was to have a non-installable iso for beta8. After contacting remastersys developers and lots of testing/debugging, unfortunately this was not resolved. So we had to move to a new method to create our distribution, and what better way than the official Ubuntu method for spinoffs [3]. This was already planned for OSGeoLive 6.5 but we had to bring it in now. We managed to hack the new method [4], [5] to be able to use our current installation scripts [6] without major changes, but there have been some failures [7] that we need to resolve. The result of all this: we are now behind our release schedule [8], but we are fighting to make it on time. For this we kindly ask all included projects in OSGeoLive to step up, test their application on the new iso [1] (as described in quickstart documentation [9]) and provide feedback here [7]. Best regards, Angelos [1] http://aiolos.survey.ntua.gr/gisvm/6.0/osgeo-live-mini-6.0beta9.iso [2] http://aiolos.survey.ntua.gr/gisvm/6.0/ [3] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [4] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/build_chroot.sh [5] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/inchroot.sh [6] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin [7] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/report/10 [8] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE#gid=0 [9] http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/overview/overview.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The Geotools fork and current relicensing discussion [was Re: The importance of a project's license]
On 07/27/2012 11:09 AM, Adrian Custer wrote: Third, the decision strikes me as between honoring the intent of contributors to Geotools 2.6 and honoring the desire of the Geotoolkit contributors to take forwards their code base and build a community after having been rejected by OSGeo. Personally, it feels wrong to have all of Geotools 2.6 relicensed from a *GPL style license to an APL or similarly permissive license. My personal motivations are very different in those two different environments. However, it also feels wrong to impose my strong personal preference in a way that blocks the progress of others since I want free software exactly so that others have the freedom to leverage my work. This is especially true given that the core code base of the two projects was overwhelmingly Martin's work, and that the new code base has diverged enormously from the time of the fork. What licenses does the Apache Foundation accept for projects that join it? Basically I'm wondering, is it a requirement to relicense in order to join Apache? If so, which licenses are the options? Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license
This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL components. Aside from that though, reading about the Apache SIS project motivation and better understanding of why Geotools forked to begin with seem quite relevant. The first was easy to find, but does anyone have a good history of geotools v geotoolkit? 3.You can also re-license the finished product under a commercial license of your choice this seems to be the biggest difference with LGPL. But there's also another big difference, and EPL program is incompatible with all other OS licenses http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php#USEINANOTHER So it's more restrictive than BSD, MIT, Apache, etc... For me that says, if there was a re-license (which I'm not sure I understand the need for or agree with) I would say Apache might be a better choice than EPL. So that it's possible for edits under that to be reused in an LGPL project later. From the Board perspective, is there precedence for what's a good reason to relicense vs not? Perhaps a list of questions to test with? Thanks, Alex On 07/26/2012 07:44 PM, Andrew Ross wrote: Cameron, Everyone [was: Re: Asking permission for re-licensing from LGPL to Apache on the OSGeo board list] I am not a lawyer of course. I do work with some really good ones. Like each of you, I do listen, learn, and try to pick up what I can to educate myself. Stating it plainly, there are noteworthy firms that have sufficient concerns about LGPL that they will strive to avoid it. These are respected firms such as Nokia http://bill.burkecentral.com/2010/05/19/apache-damaging-to-open-source/, Lockheed Martin http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/openlayers-dev/2012-March/008552.html, IBM http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200508.mbox/%3cofa81bc35a.1032fa31-on04257059.00629855-04257059.00645...@us.ibm.com%3E, Oracle http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/08/oracle_bea_gpl_lgpl_code_check/, and many others. It's about friction. The IBM link above is a good one to review and consider in this regard. The Eclipse Foundation, and by extension the LocationTech http://wiki.eclipse.org/LocationTech working group are designed carefully to minimize such friction while simultaneously balancing benefits to projects. These policies seem to be reasonably effective based on the success of Eclipse software. The Eclipse Public License is a central part of reducing friction while maintaining balance for the project's well being and interests. It is a weak copyleft license. In short: 1. If you modify EPL code and redistribute, you are obligated to share the changes. 2. If you build on top of EPL software, your own software can be licensed under your own license of choice (assuming no license conflicts) 3. You can also re-license the finished product under a commercial license of your choice LocationTech also allows other business friendly licenses like MIT, BSD, and Apache. In our license choices, IP policy, and other processes we're trying to ensure things don't needlessly hinder projects from being adopted by anyone and especially those people who might help you make a living from it. Andrew On 07/26/2012 06:48 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: Andrew Ross, I think it would be very valuable for you to expand the forum of your discussion about OSGeo/LocationTech, licences, and all things come under that banner. In particular, I think it should be discussed on osgeo-discuss. One of the first questions that I think needs to be debated is Why Eclipse believes in the license it supports (and in particular, why there are concerns with LGPL) I think there are many developers (such as myself) who would question their previous choice of LGPL, based upon further legal advice you have mentioned to me. Andrew, you may wish to CC the osgeo discuss list in your reply to this email. On 27/07/2012 8:10 AM, Martin Desruisseaux wrote: Board As suggested, we posted our request on the GeoTools mailing list (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29572383). The GeoTools PMC had a meeting Monday, which resulted in 2 inclined yes votes, 2 inclined no votes and one proposal to re-license GeoTools too. We do not know yet the final GeoTools PMC decision, neither we saw any reply to our request from the OSGeo board. Consequently I would like to recall a few points, and make one proposal (note: my willing is not to create contentious, but to insist on open source spirit in a context where two projects are facing strategic steps): 1. We granted copyright to OSGeo, not to GeoTools. 2. When we granted copyright, we understood that OSGeo would have the duty to behave according its charter, which is not to protect the economical interests of some members or to favour one
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board elections Voting
On 07/23/2012 09:48 PM, Ravi Kumar wrote: Please consider changing the rule that only One vote for one candidate (by the charter member) in the Board election. Advantages: The only way to show that you prefer a candidate is by voting to him / her more than once. Or use a choice voting system, which means your votes are ranked by preference. There are various ways to then calculate the winners. But this method does require a certain number of votes to work. http://daviswiki.org/choice_voting Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Talk on Copyright and Licensing for Geospatial Data
On 03/13/2012 10:06 AM, Landon Blake wrote: OSGeo Folks: I'm giving a talk to CCVGPG (http://www.ccvgpg.org), our local GIS user group this Friday. My talk will be about copyright and licensing of geospatial data. I've found a good amount of information on copyright and a bit on its application to GIS. However, I haven't found much at all in the way of information about the licensing of geospatial data. If you have some references I can investigate, I would appreciate that. Or, if you work for an organization that had to make decisions about the licensing of geospatial data, and you'd be willing to discuss things you considered as part of that decision process, please let me know. I'll post a link to a video of the talk if recording and editing goes OK. Thanks. Landon In the US or internationally(There are some other rules in the EU). Data is not typically copyrightable in the US because it's not usually considered a creative work. That's probably why you haven't found much about it. Example, road atlas sneaks in a fake road stub - a creative addition, hence copyrightable, along with their cartography (color choices etc, bound in a particular way). That's why an atlas can have copyright. As for licensing, I've not seen anything standard, every service seems to write up their own for what you can and can't do with data they provide you. I think this all ends up as contracting law. The typical from using various map APIs seems to be you can use our data as long as you show our copyright and don't transfer the data outside of our API/Progams (E.g. no printing). You might want to look at licensing more generally rather than specific to geospatial. Now of course those court cases about parcels in California are all about if the court think parcel data is data or software. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Which Java OS GIS project to join ?
On 02/14/2012 09:09 AM, Andreas Paukner-Ruzicka wrote: Hello, I'd like to contribute to a Java based OpenSource GIS project. Which ones have backlogs of tasks I can work on as a Java programmer and architect ? Any recommendations ? I'm sure all of them have something they could use more coders on. Are you more interested in Desktop or Web, in visualization, analysis or low level background libraries? Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] why python is stuck at 2.5 in osgeo4w?
On 01/17/2012 09:48 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: On 01/17/2012 07:59 AM, Helena Mitasova wrote: I have the same question - python2.5 is common source of problems for students starting with GRASS on mswindows Helena On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Giovanni Manghi wrote: Hi all, I believe that programs shipped in osgeo4w are ready to use more recent python versions, 2.7 would also allow to fix many bugs and add new applications (ex: SAGA). cheers -- Giovanni -- Please see the long threads on this topic on the osgeo4w list. This was discussed at FOSS4G BOF and is really close to being ready for testing now. Actually it might be ready for testing this week. But yes if you're interested in this topic please join the osgeo4w list. FYI, there are still some packages that we could use volunteers on, eg. mapnik, liblas to get their python rebuilt to 2.7. Thanks, Alex Good news, the osgeo4w crew has finished upgrading most packages to python 2.7. You should now be able to try upgrading. I think there might be a few minor packages that aren't available yet (I think that's mapnik, liblas, mapscript, mapfish, rpy2) Help on those would be appreciated if people want them bundled. See the osgeo4w mailing list and trac for more details. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] why python is stuck at 2.5 in osgeo4w?
On 01/17/2012 07:59 AM, Helena Mitasova wrote: I have the same question - python2.5 is common source of problems for students starting with GRASS on mswindows Helena On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Giovanni Manghi wrote: Hi all, I believe that programs shipped in osgeo4w are ready to use more recent python versions, 2.7 would also allow to fix many bugs and add new applications (ex: SAGA). cheers -- Giovanni -- Please see the long threads on this topic on the osgeo4w list. This was discussed at FOSS4G BOF and is really close to being ready for testing now. Actually it might be ready for testing this week. But yes if you're interested in this topic please join the osgeo4w list. FYI, there are still some packages that we could use volunteers on, eg. mapnik, liblas to get their python rebuilt to 2.7. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The amicus curiae brief in the Orange County, California public records / geo data court case
If the Foundation was to sign this I imagine the mechanism is Board approval. However, we may need legal advise first as making such statements might change our ability to get 501(c)3 status. We would also need to consider if the Foundation as a whole should make these types of decisions as a board or as a collective vote of the Charter members and if it needs to be consensus or majority. Basically I want to make sure that by having the Foundation take a stance we don't put off potential contributors and members or have adverse implications on the legal side. On the other side, everyone is welcome to sign as an individual geospatial professional. Thanks, Alex On 12/16/2011 09:08 AM, Dan Putler wrote: Hi all, I've been in contact with Bruce Joffe who has been working on an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief associated with two court decisions that have gone in completely opposite directions in California, one involving Santa Clara County and the other involving Orange County. The legal point is the same in both cases, is GIS data (parcel data in particular) data or is it software? If it is data, then it is covered under the California Public Records Act, requiring that it be released to the public for reproduction costs, if it is software, it isn't covered, and is subject to licensing fees. The judge in the Santa Clara County case (correctly) determined it was data, while the judge in the Orange County case (incorrectly) determined it was software. The case is now heading to the California Supreme Court, and Bruce Joffe is rounding up potential individuals and organizations to sign on to the amicus curiae brief. More details about the situation was posted on the Directions Magazine daily newsletter on Wednesday. Here is the link to the article: http://www.directionsmag.com/articles/sierra-club-vs-orange-county-pra-lawsuit-update-december-10-2011/219926 My main purpose for posting this information to this list is to determine if there is some mechanism by which the Open Geospatial Foundation can be listed as one of the supporting parties in the amicus curiae brief. I don't know if there is a mechanism for approving this, but this seems like an issue that we should have a strong interest in. Dan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Today's XKCD
On 11/14/2011 01:26 PM, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote: On 14 November 2011 22:01, Dheeraj Chand dhee...@dheerajchand.com wrote: Hello all, I'm a lurker, but I am curious if everyone enjoyed today's XKCD as much as I did. http://xkcd.com/977/ -dx :) yeah it did my morning and of some other geogeeks, we even asked the author of Waterman projection to create some nerdy t-shirts My local group already beat you to it, and one upped: http://daviswiki.org/GLOBAL/tshirt?action=Filesdo=viewtarget=globalShirt-inkmonkey2.jpg If people are interested I can ask the artist about the licensing of the design. Enjoy, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Calling all Charter Members @ Foss4g - volunteer at the booth
While it's completely open to anyone to help with the OSGeo booth it would be great if Charter Members and other well known involved individuals would spend an hour at the booth some point during the conference. If you sign-up it will help us know who to expect and who to thank later. http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2011_OSGeo_Booth#Signup_Schedule Catch me or Robert Hollingsworth at the conference if you have any questions or want to know how to help. Thanks, Alex Mandel IRC:Wildintellect ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Networking Opportunity at FOSS4G
On 08/23/2011 10:30 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: On 2011-08-23, at 10:22 PM, Robert Hollingsworth wrote: 1. since the individual OSGeo projects don't have dedicated exhibit booths at the conference, might be nice if there is a listing at the OSGeo booth of any of the projects' major developers, steering committee members and other 'heavy hitters' who are at the conference so other people can track them down.. where that's not already easy to figure out by examining the list of presenters and workshop instructors. Not a bad idea. Similarly, maybe project team members might like to have a pre-defined slot to be at the booth showing their projects off. Any project team members interested in that approach? 2. with a number of different people staffing the booth over the three days, and each probably trucking their own laptops in and out for demos, what's a good way to have some continuity in terms of what demos are available, no matter who happens to be at the booth at the moment? Maybe just keep links on the wiki page. We've got a small start pointing to demo videos at least. OSGeo Live in a Virtual Machine (or live booted) - you can show people almost every app that is a Project and then some + the overview and quickstart docs for all of them. There's also plenty of sample data and projects already pre-configured. http://live.osgeo.org FYI version 5.0 will be out in time for Foss4g and will be in everyone's bag. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] online open source polygon mapping, like OSM?
http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/2044/digitizing-buildings-in-potlatch The key is that it's a different tool (like most GIS desktop). It's a line that has the same start/end point and then a proper tag to indicate what it is. You can see in downloads of OSM data that buildings etc get put into a polygon layer separate from the line layers. If you have more questions try the OSM mailing lists. Thanks, Alex On 07/29/2011 02:17 PM, Nitin Gadia wrote: awesome! thanks! Are there any other projects that use polygons that you're aware of?? Is there any word about GeoMoose becoming an online open community like openstreetmap or onegeology? Looks like this is the project I need to join in development. I did a demo of GeoMoose, it looks pretty good. It needs more functionality though. A timeline would be nice. Also, something that would join boundaries of polygons. Here, I'm envisioning that a user can draw a polygon and some lines could automatically be drawn along a line, like a river or a coastline, or another border. This would streamline drawing tremendously. Someone also told me you can do polygons in openstreetmap (parking lots, buildings, etc.). Does anyone know how to do this? I can't seem to be able to figure it out... Nitin On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Bob Basques bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.uswrote: Nitin, Openlayers can build polygons on the map. GeoMoose, which is built on top of OpenLayers can also do this. In both cases you will need to build out a service to store the created polygons. bobb Nitin Gadia nitty...@gmail.com wrote: Please help!! Does anyone know an open online mapping platform like openstreetmap that does polygons (OSM only does lines)? Basically, I'm envisioning something where someone can add polygons such as historical nations, and then be able to animate them. I should be able to type in, say, 1900 and see the way the world was then. I can then edit a map, changing and adding polygons, and their colors and metadata. I should also be able to view areas by, say, population density and other statistics. The closest thing I've found is click2map, which is not opensource. Something needs to be created just like it. Try it out, and create a polygon: http://www.click2map.com/free_map_editor I want to help create an open historical map of the world. Check out the work I've done so far: http://www.thenittygritty.org/intheworks.html Also, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxrXiO0zcVwfeature=related If this is not available, I will do everything I can to help build it! Thanks, Nitin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeoprojects?
I've seen (and contributed) to wiki software dev on kickstarter. It was however 1 big fund-raising drive, not a constant bounty system. Alex On 06/04/2011 02:26 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote: I've done collaborative funding projects by hand a couple times (and am doing one now: if you are interested in faster PostGIS indexes and have $5000+ to contribute, contact me) but have been repeatedly surprised at the lack of infrastructure. Kickstarter is for artists. I've seen some attempts at collaborative open source funding sites come and go: are we all just too cheap for this to work? P. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Tyler Mitchell tmitch...@osgeo.org wrote: Great to see several conversations coming together and with some enthusiasm too! :) I'm very keen to work together with others on these ideas. I've also had quite a few discussions with people from the OSGeosphere I've met during meetings this week. I'll try to get some of my thoughts down in email by Monday too. Tyler On 2011-06-03, at 11:02 AM, Duarte Carreira wrote: Well this is a coincidence! I also feel that some form of active pursue of funding has to happen. Voluntary initiative to donate funds are a noble approach but one that spurs little participation. It seems clear there is a dividing line where we start to give a negative impression and that should be avoided at all costs. But a well written letter directed/personalized to specific organizations that are known to be big/strong adopters should be well received, and met with a significant success rate. It's not a shakedown, it's a plea for help. This or any other variant for that matter. The key is doing active pursue of funding. But this is not resonating as much as I thought it would... Duarte -Mensagem original- De: Eli Adam [mailto:ea...@co.lincoln.or.us] Enviada: sexta-feira, 3 de Junho de 2011 17:41 Para: OSGeo Discussions Cc: Duarte Carreira Assunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Are there proposed ways to raise funds for OSGeoprojects? Duarte, I agree with you and have similar ideas. I just recently sent an email similar (cites National Public Radio and Wikipedia examples) to these ideas to the Board. http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2011-June/003816.html The premise of my idea is that there are numerous agencies and companies that have employees with minor budgetary authority to spend ~$500 on software and these individuals are often using OSGeo projects and getting assistance using these OSGeo projects on the email lists and IRC. It makes sense that these people might be involved in sponsorship. What do others think? Although not heavily promoted, OSGeo and some projects can accept money through OSGeo here, http://www.osgeo.org/sponsorship/opportunities Some have $500 minimums. Here is the content of that email: Board, I started this email about six months ago and wanted to keep refining it and adding bits, but, it seems to be the opportune time to send it since it is a current topic for the Board (and it is already far too long - perhaps I should have spend more time removing not adding). I have some ideas pertaining to fundraising that I did not find previously discussed on the board or fundraising email lists. Searching the wiki and board minutes didn't turn up this discussion either. Perhaps these ideas have already been discussed and discarded in other venues. I think that OSGEO projects could get substantial funds from many corporate and agency users in $500-$2,000 increments on an annual basis. I am thinking of a fundraiser very similar to the National Public Radio style in the States. That is that for one week instead of providing high quality, commercial free, respected news and music, they focus at least 50% of the time on fundraising. In addition to changing the focus to fundraising they use all methods possible to fundraise. The methods seem almost extreme. It verges on berating, guilt, coercion, and other less dignified methods. Here are some clips that highlight some of these methods although mixed with humor, http://www.vpr.net/episode/49677/ If you have never listened to a NPR style fundraiser, I would suggest listening to one (although I also suggest listening to the station for a week without fundraiser to experience some of the more positive aspects of NPR). There should be one on internet radio currently, perhaps someone can send out a link when their local station is fundraising. In all the fundraising the focus is that NPR provides unique, high quality, commercial free, respected news and music and that you, yes you, can help provide that unique, high quality, commercial free, respected news and music that you and others value so much. This is impressed upon you in that familiar authoritative NPR voice which you have come to trust and respect over the years. NPR has the benefit that
[OSGeo-Discuss] NOTICE: Server Maintenance Today
All, Some OSGeo services will be down briefly (about 30 minutes) today starting at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20110603T1330p1=217am=30 These include Trac, Svn, Wiki, Foss4g, and OSGeo Live websites. Also logins to other various services will be down during the time period. The public part of various Project websites should still be up during the time window. I apologize for the inconvenience, we are just taking a few minutes to do some important upgrades to the systems to help ensure future service quality. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Systems Administration Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: DGPS with software for Linux
On 05/05/2011 07:06 PM, H.S.Rai wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: What about the Windows Emulator “Wine” for Linux? Can be tried, but mostly thing don't work. As a personal choice, I want wish to run software natively on Linux. -- H.S.Rai Haven't gotten around to trying it but looks promising http://www.rtklib.com/ Enjoy, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Correct List for Newcomers
On 03/28/2011 05:43 PM, Bob Kerstetter wrote: Hello, Is this the correct list for asking newbie questions? For example, I am using the decklogs from a 1940s US Navy cruiser to trace its journey's from 1942 through 1945. I know how to enter coordinates, draw lines and load maps, but where do I obtain a specific map? I need one covering the entire Pacific Ocean as it was defined during that era. I would like the map to show the Pacific and all of its islands, including small areas such as Yap and Ulithe, for example. I would also like to have a layer showing the geographic structures on the Pacific floor, such as the IBM arc. Do resources such as these exist, or do I need to create my own? I have searched the Web for answers but really don't know enough to enter search criteria correctly. If this is not the correct list, please excuse me. Thank you. Bob Hi Bob, Yes, this is a great place for people new to Open Source Geospatial to ask for some direction on where to find help. But no, this probably isn't the right place to ask about a specific computer application. However the direction we send you is going to be based on which software you were referring to in your post, could you please clarify what software you are using so we can direct you to the more appropriate list on that? Of the course the other approach is to more generally ask what software should you be using for your particular use case? That sort of question is very appropriate for this list. I find the question of finding period accurate maps of WWII in a digital form a very intriguing question, and would love to hear what others have to say on the topic. Personally if you know where to access a paper reproduction I would say digitize it, georeference it and use that as your base map. Enjoy, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] LiveDVD Copyright Ambiguity
Simon, Thanks for taking the time to look this over. I'm redirecting the conversation over to the Live-demo mailing list where I think it will get more attention. Short answer, I assume you are referring to the documentation portion of OSGeo Live, which is also it's website. I believe the correct copyright is OSGeo Lisasoft because many of the documents derived from work Lisasoft originally did (and continues to do). As for new docs as well as scripts we've been asking people to assign copyright to OSGeo for sanity purposes. I think we did that fairly consistently with the scripts (Under LGPL) but appear to have overlooked it on the docs. I'll take a guess that we meant to stick in Creative Commons Attribution as the license. Though we may want to discuss and get everyones approval to move to Attribution Share-Alike. I've created a ticket for this issue, not sure if we can resolve it in the next 6 hours before version 4.5 gets finalized (at least for the German FOSSGIS conf version). I guess we should also shove in a citation: OSGeo Live, http://live.osgeo.org, The Open Source Geospatial Foundation Thanks, Alex On 03/16/2011 06:27 PM, Simon Cropper wrote: Hi All, I would like ask the question about copyright associated with the Live DVD produced by LisaSoft and OSGeo. I have been looking over the website and note that the copyright is attributed to LisaSoft and/or OSGeo. If you work you way down to the html versions of the quickstart guides they are also copyrighted to OSGeo. If you work your way back to the RST source files for these pages you can see that the authors released their work under a 'Creative Commons' license. Take the MapGuide as an example... https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/doc/en/quickstart/mapguide_quickstart.rst http://live.osgeo.org/quickstart/mapguide_quickstart.html Shouldn't the website be 'Creative Commons', or at least the quickstart section? At least this is my understanding of the use of CC works. Also, I note that most authors of rst files simple inserted 'Creative Commons' under the license section. If you go to the CC site there is no license specifically called Creative Commons'. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ The license relevant to this work should be unambiguous and works should point to the specific deed relevant to the license that they are releasing the work under. 'Creative Commons' is not specific enough. I know this is a old topic that has been debated before but I would have thought that these issues would have been clarified by now - especially as the DVD is in its 4th rebirth. For debate, I have included the following clause extracted from the FAQ webpage on the Creative Commons Site http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ Note I have inserted ### comments ### throughout... You will notice that none of the ways proposed here to 'properly attribute a Creative Commons licensed work' have been met. As a group OSGeo should be aspiring to ensure any new works *at least* have unambiguous licensing both for the original works and the Live DVD. *** start quote *** How do I properly attribute a Creative Commons licensed work? All current CC licenses require that you attribute the original author(s) ### not done in final product ###. If the copyright holder has not specified any particular way to attribute them, this does not mean that you do not have to give attribution. It simply means that you will have to give attribution to the best of your ability with the information you do have. Generally speaking, this implies five things: * If the work itself contains any copyright notices placed there by the copyright holder, you must leave those notices intact, or reproduce them in a way that is reasonable to the medium in which you are re-publishing the work ### authorship and license placed in RST files not maintained in HTML ### * Cite the author's name, screen name, user identification, etc. If you are publishing on the Internet, it is nice to link that name to the person's profile page, if such a page exists ### not done ### * Cite the work's title or name, if such a thing exists. If you are publishing on the Internet, it is nice to link the name or title directly to the original work ### not done, list of contributors not linked back to contributions, also contributors section hidden under sponsorships page ### * Cite the specific CC license the work is under. If you are publishing on the Internet, it is nice if the license citation links to the license on the CC website. ### not done, in fact I could not find any mention of CC on the LiveDVD webpage ### * If you are making a derivative work or adaptation, in addition to the above, you need to identify that your work is a derivative work i.e., “This is a Finnish translation of the [original work] by [author].” or “Screenplay based on [original
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Creating Value from Raster Data
One might argue that slippy maps and tile caches have added a lot of value to raster data or at least demand. But more directly on the topic in addition to GDAL. GRASS http://www.perrygeo.net/wordpress/?p=104 See pg 115+ from Open Source GIS A GRASS Approach (Neteler, Mitasova) More generically aside from extraction, there's combinatorial calculation: Calculation of NDVI for vegetation analysis (NIR and Red bands) Looking for fires in MODIS data (Thermal band math) Watershed flows from DEMs Solar radiation analysis (Think solar panel placement) etc. Specifically it sounds like you're talking about Unsupervised/Supervised classification A lot of these can be done with any RASTER based analysis application. So SAGA has some tools, and I can't quite remember but INPE in Brazil was working on some FOSS Image classification software too. Thanks, Alex On 01/04/2011 03:52 PM, Landon Blake wrote: I'm working on a magazine article for ACSM Bulliten entitled Creating Value From Raster Data. The target audience will be land surveyors. I was hoping some of the OSGeo guys would be able to help me with a few questions as I do my research for the article: - Are there any open source alternatives to automated feature creation from raster data, such as is possible with ENVI (http://www.ittvis.com/ProductServices/ENVI.aspx) ? - Does anyone know of research or work being done with the development of open source algorithms and programming libraries to enable automated feature creation from raster data? - Can you think of ways to create value from raster data other than extraction of vector features? Thanks for any suggestions and information. Landon ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Please help us choose the logo for FOSS4G 2011 in Denver
On 12/08/2010 03:36 AM, Peter Batty wrote: Hi everyone, Please take a moment to review our contenders for the FOSS4G 2011 logo, and vote for your favorites. More info at http://geothought.blogspot.com/2010/12/help-us-choose-logo-for-foss4g-2011.html. Thanks, Peter. It might help some people to see the previous banners: http://foss4g.org/static/index.html Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Drupal 6.x translations..
On 12/06/2010 01:39 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: I'm looking at upgrading osgeo.org but it's Drupal 5.x site with lots of translated pages (using localization module), but in 6.x language handling is a core feature. Anyone know off hand if this is going to get messy quickly? :) Tyler I believe the core language stuff is the incorporation of the localization module. I just installed a 6.x site and it's fairly straight forward but you still need to grab the localization language packs for the languages you want. There are a couple of add-on modules I think might help too: http://drupal.org/project/translation_overview http://drupal.org/project/l10n_update I have no idea how cleanly it will upgrade but think it might be easier than you think. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Unsupervised clustering question.
On 11/18/2010 08:22 AM, Ringle, Bill wrote: I am new to GRASS and have run into a problem using the GUI to do an unsupervised classification. I am running v. 6.4.0 that I downloaded and installed a few days ago. My problem is that after I create a group and subgroup, when I then go into the dialog box to start the cluster, the subgroup never registers. That is, it is in the pull-down menu, but once selected, it is not then passed to the program. This is evident at the bottom of the menu; group name and output signature file appear in the command line, but subgroup=required never changes. An error Parameter subgroup is missing happens when I run it. I should say I can do this manually, but I am trying to use this for a class, so anything to make things easier is useful. Any ideas? Is this a known bug? Bill, This question should be directed to one of the GRASS mailing lists. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user The OSGeo Discuss list is a more general list for the foundation and general open source gis questions (ex: help finding what application to use). Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo @ GITA April - opportunities!
On 11/15/2010 12:24 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Hi all, Anyone planning to attend, or looking for an excuse to attend, the GITA [1] Geospatial Solutions Conference in 2011? OSGeo will have a booth and several SPEAKING OPPORTUNITIES (including conference discounts or free pass when speaking). If you are planning to be there or are interested in doing a talk re: OSGeo or related software, please sign up here [2] and let me know. Right now we are just trying to figure out how many speaking slots we need, so I'm trying to get an idea before soliciting abstracts more formally. Thanks! Tyler [1] http://gita.org/events/events.asp [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GITA_2011 Tyler Mitchell Executive Director, OSGeo tmitch...@osgeo.org +1-250-303-1831 See you at FOSS4 2011 Denver in September! Tyler, You should directly ask J Bronn (Geodjango), I think he still lives in Texas. Might also want to send personal invites to the New Mexico Chapter and the folks in Arizona like Luc Anselin, though he's talking at the AAG the same week someone from his lab might be available to talk about pySal. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Bug report response time
On 11/11/2010 02:12 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 11/11/10 09:43, Sjur Kolberg wrote: I am trying to convince people that open source GIS is a better solution than buying proprietary software. Such discussions follow a well-known path (is it mature/stable? How about support? All our clients use ..., Nice for programmers, but...) etc. Conclusions precede arguments, and some hard numbers could be of great help in all the religion. Hypothesis 0: There is no relation between an open source development of a project and fast pace of fixing bugs Hypothesis 1: There is relation between an open source development of a project and fast pace of fixing bugs Accept the hypothesis 0: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8499859.stm Reject the hypothesis 0: http://www.osnews.com/story/19731/The-25-Year-Old-UNIX-Bug Accept the hypothesis 1: http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/ticket/3810 Reject the hypothesis 1: http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/ticket/249 What is the conclusion? Statistics is evil. As long as the methodology is right, you can proof any bullshit you like, or shoot yourself in your the foot. So, I'd be careful. Best regards, Agreed, it might be more important to highlight that the bug database is publicly available. I know with many closed source apps it's hard to know if they've even acknowledged a bug and aren't really forthcoming about if they plan to fix it. I have actually been told, yes that's a bug and no we don't plan to fix it. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Greek Inspire Metadata Editor (gimed)
I'm more concerned about the lack of direct support for multi-platforms. Of course that implies that MS does a good job of supporting it's platform. Noted case, how many years it took Flash to really be usable without crazy hacks on linux. (OT: Anyone know what's up with Novell possibly selling itself and what that might mean for the future of Mono? - ala the current roll over Oracle's plans for previous Sun merchandise) That said I would love to see some workshops and examples of testing on Mono implementations on all platforms. While .Net isn't my 1st choice there is a place for it and a whole lot of people well entrenched in it, wouldn't hurt to bring them into the Open Source light and realize cross language implementations of infrastructure are not abnormal. Thanks, Alex On 11/09/2010 04:06 PM, Daniel Ames wrote: Coming late to this discussion, I would point out that the FSF article about Mono is based entirely on conjecture. Particularly this statement: Microsoft is probably planning to force all free C# implementations underground some day using software patents I suspect if the OSGeo world were to base all decisions on the threat of potential future patent litigation, we'd pretty much all just have to close shop and go fishing or become used car salesmen instead of writing software... - Dan On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Nikos Alexandris nikos.alexand...@felis.uni-freiburg.de wrote: Cameron: Why was gimed developed rather than extending GeoNetwork? Angelos: - When developing for HEMCO project, the time frame was very limited and I estimated that a clean implementation would be faster. - The project's specifications were also requiring C# because other non FOSS API's were involved. I (too) was curious about that Angele (talming about C# and Mono). It is not clear to me, as an end-user, if and what dangerous license implications could rise in the future (reading: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono). I hope we will find the time to discuss about this and other issues in the upcoming GeoDataCamp in Athens. Cheers, Nikos ___ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Marketing] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Incubator] Defining the Marketingrequirements for OSGeo Incubation
On 11/08/2010 06:53 AM, Bob Basques wrote: All, This little piece has been nagging at me during this whole thread. Rules based on a project that didn't use the rules. (so to speak :c) I mean, if I just need to start under the OSGEO umbrella, and then everything is all incubated, well, I can work with that system. :c) (as and example . . .) My project(s) might get a little convoluted though as I keep partnering with different groups as we go around the incubation requirements (pure as an example) bobb . . . Did the OSGeo Live project ever incubate at all? Should be easy, maybe you want to apply? OSGeo Live does not consider itself a project, but rather a distribution method/marketing product (This has been discussed/debated on the Live-demo list). We didn't think it was appropriate to incubate since it basically is driven by the Marketing Committee's needs. Do people consider Ubuntugis and OSGeo4W projects that should also apply for incubation? As for the duplication of materials, the idea has been that the current information is somewhat unmaintainable and difficult to reuse. At one time there were 1 page printable descriptions of each project but that proved impossible without the projects constantly updating the content in a fixed format. We're hoping that making minor edits twice a year to the content in a text file without worrying about the layout will make that easier. The project overviews created for OSGeo Live are intended to be used on the web, disc and in print. We're specifically using Sphinx with the goal of being able to create print material that is up to date on demand. For example, finding quality logo's for all the projects is quite a task. Since there isn't one folder in svn or the website to pull them from. I don't really care if that folder is under the Live part of the svn tree so long as they are all in one place and of sufficient quality for web and print(many of them are too small or low res). Note, not all projects have a page on the osgeo.org site, many of them actually go directly to their homepages. OSGeo Live isn't trying to force rules on Incubation, we're simply asking if everyone thinks that Marketing materials is an important part of a project graduating. If so, we want to have a nice checklist of what those materials ought to be and we want to find a way to ensure that they get done. We're aiming for quality, to make it easy to show off OSGeo projects. I do think my opinion here does vary slightly from Cameron's in how required some parts should be, but agree that having the basic marketing materials seems like a good indicator to the greater public that a project is stable and of reasonable quality (whether or not thats true). Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Was:Making my pitch] Charter Member Map
On 11/05/2010 04:09 AM, Joanne Cook wrote: Charter Membership would mean a lot to me, personally, and would (I think) help me when I am trying to raise the profile of the foundation. Having more female charter members will help address the gender imbalance within the organisation that was identified at FOSS4G in Barcelona. The UK is also currently quite under-represented, so it would be nice to see more Brits on the list as well. I hope that helps... Jo That got me pondering, what is the spatial distribution of the current charter members. For those curious to the answer, and with a little help from the regulars on IRC http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:Chartermap11-2010.png http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/File:Chartermap11-2010.pdf There's are quite a few ways to slice the data and I've only done some simple ones. Dividing by area or by population could be quite interesting. Email me if you'd like a copy of the spatialite database I've got going. That said, representation is one good way to look at the candidates (By Tribe, Project, Gender, Location, Academic/Industry/NGO x Big/Small). However, I also think it's important to consider the importance of both work in the local setting and work at the foundation level since Charter Members are tasked with ensuring the stability of the Foundation and providing a helping hand to fostering of local chapters. Thanks, Alex Disclaimer - I'm also on the list of nominations ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: quot; GRASS not in demand, says PennStatequot;
On 10/27/2010 05:50 AM, Tim Michelsen wrote: Are you seeing positions requiring knowledge of open source software such as GRASS? Two of the panelists answered. One said More generally, the ability to create custom software solutions - whether proprietary or open source or a combination of the two - is in high demand. which is a good, healthy response. But the other said Not seeing positions posted with GRASS. Please, both users, academia and industry need to see that it's not about a particular software product. In the end it countshow efficient I can get a particular job done and how accurate the results are. FOSS stuff is great for teaching because they allow to understand the ideas behind both by sound combination of different tools and looking into the development life cycle (bug discussions, maillist, code). students can do their own work without licese headaches and also achive tracability of the results. I agree, I don't think the question was asked in the most appropriate way to gauge the influence of Open Source in geospatial Academia. For example a recent job post forwarded to OSGeo-Edu http://osgeo-org.1803224.n2.nabble.com/web-mapping-and-open-source-GIS-part-time-lecturer-at-Clark-U-spring-2011-td5638913.html#a5638913 Open Source credentials clearly part of the mix. I would also note that the number of positions that specifically ask for Arc Teaching is relatively low compared to the total number of positions advertised in the field. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] are there Charter Member elections on?
On 10/21/2010 01:18 PM, Jo Walsh wrote: don't see a news item on http://osgeo.org/ ... Nominations are open according to the recent email from Paul Ramsey http://osgeo-org.1803224.n2.nabble.com/Can-charter-members-be-nominated-any-time-td5659108.html#a5659108 Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] osgeo production server
On 09/28/2010 06:40 AM, Hernan Olivera wrote: Hi Is OsGeo live dvd installed to hard disk is ok for production? If not, what would be necessary to do that? Thanks This is a good question for over on the osgeolive mailing list. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo The short answer off the the top of my head is to change the password for the default user. There are lots of other things you could do but that would just be for enhanced performance and security. Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On 09/25/2010 02:45 AM, andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt I look forward to playing around with the app, looks really useful. One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Marketing Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On 09/25/2010 02:45 AM, andrea antonello wrote: Dear colleagues, today we finally released the first version of Geopaparazzi on the android market. The project is released under GPLv3 an available on the homepage of the project [0]. Geopaparazzi is a tool developed to supprot very fast qualitative engineering/geologic surveys. It integrates completely with the BeeGIS digital tablet extentions, i.e. the data are imported straight into the GIS from the phone for further processing [1]. Geopaparazzi is sold on the Android market and supports the development of Geopaprazzi itself as well as the projects developed by the same team: JGrass, JGrassTools and BeeGIS. That said, I leave you to the documentation on the main website. Thanks for the attention, Andrea [0] http://www.geopaparazzi.eu [1] http://tinyurl.com/35zucxt I look forward to playing around with the app, looks really useful. One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. Thanks, Alex OSGeo Marketing Committee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geopaparazzi released
On 09/26/2010 01:25 PM, andrea antonello wrote: Hi Alex, One minor comment looking at the screenshots of the app on your website. It looks like you are using the OSGeo logo as the compass in your app. While the nod towards OSGeo is appreciated I think it's an inappropriate use of the logo (Copyright and possibly trademark infringement). So I kindly advise the design of another compass for the app. if what you say is right, then it is more than just a minor comment, for which I thank for. To be honest I was finding it nice to use it for that purpose and didn't think it would be a copyright problem if, as I did in the about page, it would be mentioned that the compass is the logo of the Osgeo Foundation. To be honest, I am quite sad that I can't use the graphic of the community I am part of, but for sure I will change that for some other graphic ASAP. I apologize for the inconvenience, Andrea I think it's a trademark issue more than anything else, and in the US a trademark is only good as long as it's actively protected. Trademarks are things that identify an entity in this case the Name or Logo of OSGeo. You are right that in an about page if you want to thank OSGeo use of the logo there would be acceptable or on your website it you want to link to OSGeo it's also ok to use it there since there's no confusing that it's a link or info about OSGeo a different entity than your application. I think there are several members of the community who would be happy to help you come up with another compass that would look good and work well too. Maybe hop on the Graphics mailing list http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/graphics Thanks, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2010: Good, Bad and the Ugly
On 09/16/2010 03:31 PM, heikki wrote: This thread is turning into mainly discussing the T-shirts etc. My 6½ euros : the T-shirt this year seemed to be of awful quality -- I'm quite sure you should never wear it or wash it, if you'd want the logo to remain (I did not buy it though, so I'm not talking from experience). I've preferred to spend double the amount, on a Barcelona tourist T-shirt with a print that looks to be much more durable. Then, some people received a FOSS4G-branded USB-memory-stick, but not all. As far as I can tell you received it if you were considered to represent a sponsor, and/or if you gave a presentation -- but not a tutorial. Now this 8GB USB stick was actually done quite nicely -- a small thingy with conference logo, the contents of the Live Floppy, and room to spare. Still -- how much does it cost to produce a thingy like that ? Not more than a few euros, I don't think. Could easily be included as a nice goodie just for everyone attending, I would think, compared to the conference fee. Actually useful and, as opposed to those DVDs, re-useable. No need to make a distinction between people who receive it, and who don't. Kind regards Heikki Doeleman A note about the usb stick business. The organizing conference wanted to do 100% usb sticks, but when we tested OSGeo Live on a usb stick we found the failure rate (or incompatability rate) to be somewhat high and clunky. So the conference committee opted to make reliable DVDs for all and to experiment on the presenters who were thought to be more tolerable if it didn't work right, not sure why those who ran tutorials weren't part of that. I'll get working on finding a company that would let us do reprints of the usb stick for anyone who wants to order OSGeo Live on a stick. Thanks for the input, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for Yum or RPM Site for GIS Suite for Centos 5.5
Bill, The best place to check on the status of such rpms is the Enterprise Linux mailing list (aka Redhat/Centos,SUSE etc) http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/el Enjoy, Alex On 09/09/2010 12:10 PM, Bill Thoen wrote: I hope this is the appropriate place for this general-GIS software question. Apologies if this isn't it. I'm looking for a yum repo or an rpm download site for the following set of GIS packages for a machine running Centos 5.5: PostgreSQL Proj4 GDAL / OGR tools GEOS PostGIS MapServer PHP Mapscript Open Layers Quantum GIS I'd like to have PostGIS compiled with at least these switches or their equivalent built in: --with-pgsql=... --with-geos=... --with-proj=... --with-proj-libdir=... GDAL should have at least these switches set: --with-pg=... --with-geos=yes MapServer --with-proj=/usr/local/ \ --with-geos=/usr/local/bin/geos-config \ --with-ogr=/usr/local/bin/gdal-config \ --with-gdal=/usr/local/bin/gdal-config \ --with-postgis=/usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_config \ --with-wfs \ --with-wcs \ --with-wmsclient \ --with-wfsclient \ --with-curl-config=/usr/bin/curl-config \ --with-agg=/usr/local/src/agg --with-freetype \ --with-php= I used to just compile these from source, but my sysAdminis recommends that whenever possible, to use rpms to take advantage of yum's or rpm's file management. and inventory capabilities. Since this is a brand new machine, I'd like to follow the recommendations of people who know more than I do, whenever I can. So, does any know if there's a one-stop yum repository or rpm site where I can get everything as integrated, compatible rpms ? TIA, - Bil Thoen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Commercial support (Company profile improvement options)
Bobb, The Marketing Committee has been working on a planned overhaul of the homepage(Landing Page). Here's a preview of the idea http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/website/design/draft2a.jpg I'll note the link in question is right in the middle of the page. For the details you'll need to trawl through the committee materials, and if you have strong feeling on the topic please come to our next IRC meeting (Anyone is welcome). http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Web_site_design http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee Thanks, Alex On 09/03/2010 11:07 AM, Bob Basques wrote: All, Replying to my own posting to make an addition. There is still no indication on the front page about (commercial) Support providers. Should there be some link on the front page about who (can) support the OSGEO projects? seems like a link to the Providor page should be included at the bottom of the OSGEO Projects widget on the right side of the front page. I know I've seen this go by the list more than once as a request, so I'm replaying the idea. bobb On 9/3/2010 1:02 PM, Bob Basques wrote: Frank, But the existing system doesn't get to the questions I've seen in this thread, namely, about searching for companies with mixed capabilities (open and proprietary) experience. I also see it as expanding on what's there already, not overly complicating it. bobb On 9/3/2010 11:59 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Bob Basques wrote: All, I know this has to be created and managed somehow, but here are some ideas on this: * Could there be some way of collecting business information related to not only OpenSource software but also a means for companies to describe themselves in their own words, even as it pertains to non-open products, as these are often a concern when bidding on projects. * A simple one pager type of thing, listing software (open and proprietary, possibly with the Open source stuff highlighted and linked) and a general company resume, maybe even including a link section for past projects. * Inclusion of the prospective company logo on the profile page. * A list of company partners. * It would be real nice as a company owner for example, to be able to link directly to a OSGEO support registry page. I think a system like this would keep things updated regularly. I keep forgetting the entry is even in there for my interests because I don't touch it enough. Bob, I really think those who register as service providers should just make an effort to provide the above details as they see fit on a landing page on their own web site. It feels like you are trying to overcomplicate what is actually kept track of in the registry. Best regards, ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Commercial support (Company profile improvement options)
That is indeed tricky. Since support includes both community and paid but support is the more likely term used in searching we might need to rethink the navigation strategy to have a page specific to Support that mentions both and links to the service providers and the other forms of support. Thanks, Alex On 09/03/2010 11:12 AM, Bob Basques wrote: All, Oops . . . Oh, dopey me, I searched for Support, when I should have searched for Service on the front page. disregard previous. bobb On 9/3/2010 1:02 PM, Bob Basques wrote: Frank, But the existing system doesn't get to the questions I've seen in this thread, namely, about searching for companies with mixed capabilities (open and proprietary) experience. I also see it as expanding on what's there already, not overly complicating it. bobb On 9/3/2010 11:59 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: Bob Basques wrote: All, I know this has to be created and managed somehow, but here are some ideas on this: * Could there be some way of collecting business information related to not only OpenSource software but also a means for companies to describe themselves in their own words, even as it pertains to non-open products, as these are often a concern when bidding on projects. * A simple one pager type of thing, listing software (open and proprietary, possibly with the Open source stuff highlighted and linked) and a general company resume, maybe even including a link section for past projects. * Inclusion of the prospective company logo on the profile page. * A list of company partners. * It would be real nice as a company owner for example, to be able to link directly to a OSGEO support registry page. I think a system like this would keep things updated regularly. I keep forgetting the entry is even in there for my interests because I don't touch it enough. Bob, I really think those who register as service providers should just make an effort to provide the above details as they see fit on a landing page on their own web site. It feels like you are trying to overcomplicate what is actually kept track of in the registry. Best regards, ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] USB testing required today if we are to hand out OSGeo-Live on a USB at FOSS4G
On 08/14/2010 05:35 PM, Noli Sicad wrote: Hi Cameron, Ideally we would have liked to distribute on a USB to all delegates however out of the 5 or so computers tested, we've had reports of at least 2 computers which can't boot from the USB. So we will distribute OSGeo-Live to all delegates on the well tested DVD version. These laptops / desktops have faulty Windows BIOS. They need DSDT patching to boot Linux OS and Darwin OS (Mac OS X). Using IASL, you can decompile the BIOS i.e. dump DSDT.dsl. then patch it and compile. Use dsdt.aml to boot usb linux os. Top of the list for faulty BIOS is HP Pavillion laptops. I got HP Pavillion DM3 which I have been patching inorder to triple boot. The solution to create various version of OSGeo Live USB for these laptops. 1. HP Pavillion 3. Dell 2. Asus BTW, what are the brand of those computers which did not boot? I could help create these OSGeo Live USB to work properly with these laptops, if you are interested and provide the resources i.e. 4Gb / 8Gb USBes, OSGeo ISO and dsdt.aml from those not booting laptops. I will patch it. I can pick these things in your Melbourne office, if you are interested. However, if we can get test results from enough people by first thing, Monday 16 August, an OSGeo-Live USB will be created and given to VIPs. Regards, Noli I'm not sure that's 100% right. My Asus is failing to boot from usb, and I do think it's a BIOS issue but it has nothing to do with the OS. The laptop is a linux box only, it seems to just never try booting usb even though it's in the list. Also making multiple versions of the usb sticks depending on the laptop brand is unrealistic, if that's what it takes to make it work 95% of the time or better we're going to have to stick to mostly DVDs for this release. Thanks for the info, I'll have to poke into that more. Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
