Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO US National Chapter
Good Morning Maria, It's going well - I'm just moving slow in my juggling. My list has two things I need to accomplish today: OSGEO Page and Email listserve. Yes - in the months leading up to this we reached out to as many people as we could - some on the Wiki and some not. I hoped this email earlier to OSGEO Discuss would turn up anyone we forgot. Hopefully today those things get accomplished and I can get things moving again this week. Thanks for checking on me - I need all the pushing I can get. Randy On 04/01/2018 08:30 AM, María Arias de Reyna wrote: Hi Randal, How is the chapter creation going? I see there is no page yet on the osgeo.org webpage: https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/ Can you make sure there is at least a draft page where the contact point and the status of the chapter are reflected? Also I see there are some local chapters in USA: https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/twin-cities-mn-usa-chapter/ https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/pdxosgeo/ https://www.osgeo.org/local-chapters/california/ I understand you already reached all of them? On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Randal Hale <rjh...@northrivergeographic.com> wrote: Greetings, Thanks to a few successful events here in the US, (Especially Boston FOSS4G 2017) several of us have been working toward formation of a US OSGEO Chapter. We've talked to several people in and around the US and multiple people involved in local chapters. I guess consider this a first shout of "Hello OSGEO World". Following the Guidelines [1] for Chapter formation we have a good start: 1. Self Organizing: Based on informal discussions with OSGeo members online and at the FOSS4G conference there is a major interest in how to support and build community across the nation. Technocation [2] is a non-profit that can act as a formal home for the OSGeo.US chapter. 2. Mission Statement: OSGeo.US will cultivate and support local OSGeo chapters and projects in the United States. OSGeo.US will also support activities and events that build awareness of the OSGeo and create opportunities to grow the OSGeo community. I also realized in this email - we've yet to stick anything on the wiki.osgeo.org site - we'll get that done shortly. 3. As for an official rep for the chapter: I was nominated by the group to be the official Spokesperson for now. So I'll do what I can to answer emails or drag someone else into the mix to answer them if I can't. 4. I'll be sending more information to the OSGEO Board - I wanted to start a discussion now and see if there was any angst that I or anyone else could address and if anyone else was interested in helping push this along. 5. TBD Later Anyway - Since I've not quit done anything like this before - Excuse anything I've forgotten or not done properly in this first announcement. Randy [1] http://www2.osgeo.org/content/chapters/guidelines.html [2] https://technocation.github.io/ -- Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com https://www.northrivergeographic.com (423)653-3611 -- Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com https://www.northrivergeographic.com (423)653-3611 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com https://www.northrivergeographic.com (423)653-3611 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO US National Chapter
Greetings, Thanks to a few successful events here in the US, (Especially Boston FOSS4G 2017) several of us have been working toward formation of a US OSGEO Chapter. We've talked to several people in and around the US and multiple people involved in local chapters. I guess consider this a first shout of "Hello OSGEO World". Following the Guidelines [1] for Chapter formation we have a good start: 1. Self Organizing: Based on informal discussions with OSGeo members online and at the FOSS4G conference there is a major interest in how to support and build community across the nation. Technocation [2] is a non-profit that can act as a formal home for the OSGeo.US chapter. 2. Mission Statement: OSGeo.US will cultivate and support local OSGeo chapters and projects in the United States. OSGeo.US will also support activities and events that build awareness of the OSGeo and create opportunities to grow the OSGeo community. I also realized in this email - we've yet to stick anything on the wiki.osgeo.org site - we'll get that done shortly. 3. As for an official rep for the chapter: I was nominated by the group to be the official Spokesperson for now. So I'll do what I can to answer emails or drag someone else into the mix to answer them if I can't. 4. I'll be sending more information to the OSGEO Board - I wanted to start a discussion now and see if there was any angst that I or anyone else could address and if anyone else was interested in helping push this along. 5. TBD Later Anyway - Since I've not quit done anything like this before - Excuse anything I've forgotten or not done properly in this first announcement. Randy [1] http://www2.osgeo.org/content/chapters/guidelines.html [2] https://technocation.github.io/ -- Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com https://www.northrivergeographic.com (423)653-3611 -- Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com https://www.northrivergeographic.com (423)653-3611 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is the host of FOSS4G not a guest
___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com https://www.northrivergeographic.com (423)653-3611 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geo4All] Vision for an OSGeo education program
prepared to drive that? [1] http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html <http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html> On 29/10/2016 1:54 AM, Randal Hale wrote: The way I look at it - and this is from watching Teachers at the school: Imagine getting a disk full of software. Have a colleague come over and repeatedly poke you in the head while you try to figure out what is on the disk and where the instructions are. In a few more minutes have someone come over and start singing while you are getting poked in the head. Maybe someone pours water in your shoe in another 2 minutes. It needs to be that simple. That's what the ESRI folk are doing "Lessons, 'free', and here is the Documentation". Simple: software, x directories with x lessons. A giant Red button with "Don't Panic" in nice friendly letters. On 10/28/2016 10:39 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So according to Randal, to reach out to schools we need a scaled-down and lighter OSGeo-Live build (probably without the server side applications), with different documentation included. Maybe based on Edubuntu? I volunteer to make a custom OSGeo-Live iso for kids, but we will need lots of feedback and volunteers to shape up a new documentation. Last year I had the chance to teach several hours of OpenStreetMap to school kids in a municipality initiative and I can totally agree that things are different with kids. They did not seem to have much difficulty with the OSGeo-Live UI, but we ended up playing with iD and less with desktop applications, like josm. just my 2c Angelos On 10/28/2016 04:55 PM, Randal Hale wrote: If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere. They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run FOSS4G software. The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have people targeted to do just that. So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools: A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS - other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A few select pieces of software with a purpose: * 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16) o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have different local datasets. * An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like we do - they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a teacher. I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different game. * A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and the disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick). * Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town has 30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call. * We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They have an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget. * Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. * Update it. I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on nothing but FOSS4G. We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll carve out some time if this gets going. I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. On 29/10/2016 12:56 AM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: Thank you Jeff for your great answer to my ¿call? It's a pity the Geo4all Teacher Training and School Education Thematic Group (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_TeacherTraining_SchoolEducation <http://wiki.osgeo.or
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...
Of course - I'm just one guy who thinks this should be like this. I defer to anyone currently in the field - I think a lot of things and would prefer someone with more experience in the area jump in. Randy On 10/28/2016 10:39 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So according to Randal, to reach out to schools we need a scaled-down and lighter OSGeo-Live build (probably without the server side applications), with different documentation included. Maybe based on Edubuntu? I volunteer to make a custom OSGeo-Live iso for kids, but we will need lots of feedback and volunteers to shape up a new documentation. Last year I had the chance to teach several hours of OpenStreetMap to school kids in a municipality initiative and I can totally agree that things are different with kids. They did not seem to have much difficulty with the OSGeo-Live UI, but we ended up playing with iD and less with desktop applications, like josm. just my 2c Angelos On 10/28/2016 04:55 PM, Randal Hale wrote: If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere. They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run FOSS4G software. The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have people targeted to do just that. So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools: A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS - other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A few select pieces of software with a purpose: * 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16) o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have different local datasets. * An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like we do - they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a teacher. I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different game. * A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and the disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick). * Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town has 30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call. * We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They have an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget. * Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. * Update it. I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on nothing but FOSS4G. We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll carve out some time if this gets going. I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote: As if someone is reading this ha, a tweet just came across my desk: https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048 So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant the open seed early :) A challenge indeed. Think on this over the weekend, -jeff On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: Sadly, only ESRI seems to exist for some in the USA...Imagine the consequences of this: http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth Sergio Acosta y Lara Departamento de Geomática Dirección Nacional de Topografía Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas URUGUAY (598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Angelos Tzotsos, PhD OSGeo Charter Member http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geograph
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...
The way I look at it - and this is from watching Teachers at the school: Imagine getting a disk full of software. Have a colleague come over and repeatedly poke you in the head while you try to figure out what is on the disk and where the instructions are. In a few more minutes have someone come over and start singing while you are getting poked in the head. Maybe someone pours water in your shoe in another 2 minutes. It needs to be that simple. That's what the ESRI folk are doing "Lessons, 'free', and here is the Documentation". Simple: software, x directories with x lessons. A giant Red button with "Don't Panic" in nice friendly letters. On 10/28/2016 10:39 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So according to Randal, to reach out to schools we need a scaled-down and lighter OSGeo-Live build (probably without the server side applications), with different documentation included. Maybe based on Edubuntu? I volunteer to make a custom OSGeo-Live iso for kids, but we will need lots of feedback and volunteers to shape up a new documentation. Last year I had the chance to teach several hours of OpenStreetMap to school kids in a municipality initiative and I can totally agree that things are different with kids. They did not seem to have much difficulty with the OSGeo-Live UI, but we ended up playing with iD and less with desktop applications, like josm. just my 2c Angelos On 10/28/2016 04:55 PM, Randal Hale wrote: If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere. They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run FOSS4G software. The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have people targeted to do just that. So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools: A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS - other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A few select pieces of software with a purpose: * 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16) o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have different local datasets. * An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like we do - they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a teacher. I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different game. * A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and the disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick). * Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town has 30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call. * We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They have an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget. * Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. * Update it. I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on nothing but FOSS4G. We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll carve out some time if this gets going. I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote: As if someone is reading this ha, a tweet just came across my desk: https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048 So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant the open seed early :) A challenge indeed. Think on this over the weekend, -jeff On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: Sadly, only ESRI seems to exist for some in the USA...Imagine the consequences of this: http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth Sergio Acosta y Lara Departamento de Geomática Dirección Nacional de Topografía Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas URUGUAY (598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...
Ha - I can't even spell Briliant.
For instance - the school I work with has built a 2 week curriculum
around open street map. The teacher (a former college associate from
many years ago) knows the basics so the kids get a taste. The problem is
I don't like the curriculum because they need to interface with the OSM
community - and I can't interface with the OSM community without
cursing. So one week 3 years ago I burned a lot of time trying to teach.
I can't teach kids. Plus a week from work (while only an hour a day - I
work for me) was a bit much.
Kids know (I can only speak to the US) "GIS" - they have smart phones.
They know location ("How do I get to a Coffee Shop") and the phone
routes them there. So the lessons don't have to start at "this is a
computer" which in some cases I have to do while teaching QGIS to adults.
The lessons just have to be simple. Easy. Update-able. QGIS is at a 1
year LTR. So once a year we update the materials. Maybe GVSig?
Three giant buttons on the FOSS4G4Teachers website: Help, Download, More
Help.
What ESRI is missing with this rollout is it's internet based. The
school I work with - internet is sporadic at best (I live in a city
where we have the ability to have 1 Gigabit Fiber to the house but
schools are left out). So online lessons will not work. Give them a
bootable disk with Lessons and Community. Someone go bother Mapbox/Carto
for some "internet" based something - see if they want to help carry it
farther. Maybe we have USB Sticks for order? Something easy and small.
In 1 year you start to change the noise.
Don't get me wrong - GIS is my focus. I still have to use ESRI Software.
It's good software. I come here for Community. We have that nailed down
- it's a time issue. Maybe a language issue also (english, spanish,
and..) . We've got everything else.
On 10/28/2016 10:16 AM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
+1
Randy, you are a brilliant voice of reason.
I’m sure the cat wants you to be free to speak.
Glad it didn’t get your tongue. ;-)
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*Randal Hale
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*To:* discuss@lists.osgeo.org
*Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...
If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't).
The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere. They've
entire groups of people just focused on "giving to schools". I was at
the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout to a school in 2012. We
had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years
ago - and I need to go back and update their setup (they don't know
how). The school is Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The
computers are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be
using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable to run
the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run FOSS4G
software.
The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the case
everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so nice. They
show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and here is 'free'
software". It's a short term win. They have people targeted to do just
that.
So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I care
to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools:
A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS - other
things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A few select
pieces of software with a purpose:
* 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student
oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16)
o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have
different local datasets.
* An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like we do
- they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can
manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a
teacher. I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole
different game.
* A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and the
disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick).
* Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town has
30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI
put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call.
* We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They have
an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have
momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget.
* Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers.
* Update it.
I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think it's
100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on nothing but
FOSS4G.
We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll carve out
some time if this gets going.
I wished the cat had stop
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...
If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere. They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up moving them over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be using them longer than what they need to. They will be unable to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run FOSS4G software. The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have people targeted to do just that. So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools: A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS - other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A few select pieces of software with a purpose: * 10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16) o Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have different local datasets. * An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like we do - they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a teacher. I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different game. * A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and the disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick). * Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town has 30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call. * We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They have an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget. * Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. * Update it. I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on nothing but FOSS4G. We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll carve out some time if this gets going. I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote: As if someone is reading this ha, a tweet just came across my desk: https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048 So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant the open seed early :) A challenge indeed. Think on this over the weekend, -jeff On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: Sadly, only ESRI seems to exist for some in the USA...Imagine the consequences of this: http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth Sergio Acosta y Lara Departamento de Geomática Dirección Nacional de Topografía Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas URUGUAY (598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I will bring some fuel - diesel in honor of the largest car manufacturing plant near me (Volkswagen) It would strengthen the brand of OSGEO with a conference named the same. There seems to be a fairly large disconnect right now with the FOSS4GNA conference and OSGEO. That needs to be much tighter. Although I'm a bit of a stickler with Free and Open Source - I like the idea of going OS*Geo - *because that's what I do (at least in my case) - I use GIS and I do it with free and open source tools. +11 on having to explain foss4g and then dragging osgeo into it. Lets go one step further and talk to the Geo4all folks into saying osgeo4all. Randy On 10/06/2015 11:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but here goes... Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference? Cons: 1. FOSS4G is an established brand 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both. Counters to those: 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo. 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay? Pros: 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end. 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten years ago, but not now :) 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks. 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G becomes moot. 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One acronym to remember. [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS" but that might be a bit too much :)] So, this is the discuss list, discuss. Barry ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/introduction-to-quantum-gis Southeast OSGEO: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Southeast_US ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of having Open Principles in Education for our future generations
If a bootable USB version could be developed for schools/kids with suggestions of buy this USB drive and here's how you load everything - that would help in a lot of cases. BUT * I underestimate the kids abilities - some are very sharp - some look for the anykey. * In general many of the teachers work at their tech limit - so if you came up with a scenario of booting a computer into another operating system you will scare a lot of them. This is a flip phone crowd we're dealing with. Tech isn't their friend - it should be but it isn't. I think that's where we can play a role - the ESRI rollout was botched in my opinion because it only targeted schools with resources. The schools I like don't have that - but they have good kids and good teachers. ESRI begged beyond the photo ops with their employees for GISP's to help get their software working. Internet is a luxury at the school - they have problems if too many kids click on youtube at once. So I think OSGEO provides a rollout for the rest of the kids that can't afford the tech and the time with the cloud. Maybe my fantasy is: * Bootable USB for easy upgrades to software (beyond the OSGEO Live Disk - to many options will flip people out) * USB has QGIS, DATA, and a lesson plan. A lesson plan that might tackle a very believable scenario kids can relate tomaybe it's a neighborhood and school where you answer questions about transportation, where students live, where they go to the grocery store, etc...the second half will be what their school and neighborhood looks like. Maybe they map their school and surrounding area. * Lesson plan has to be easy for teachers to digest - some don't know what GSI is (that was intentional because it's a very foreign concept to them). * Rainforests and counting coffee shops isn't something they will care about. How their neighborhood looks and how they live - that will get some attention from the US kids. I assume all kids. BUT - I'm not a teacher. Randy On 06/27/2015 07:28 PM, Vaclav Petras wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com mailto:tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote: Randal Hale Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:17:54 -0400[2] Ms Keith (on this list as of last night and cc'd) has a lab but it is quickly going out of date with regards to proprietary software. My wish has been to replace everything with QGIS - GIS is GIS. And OS[3] are OS, so maximize the utility of the older computers at schools [being used] for learning and slap a Linux on them. The OSGeo wiki points to some bundles, including (e.g.) DebianGIS[4], Enterprise Linux GIS[5], and UbuntuGIS[6] (of which, IIUC, the latter is the most active). And sure enough, there are Linux distributions designed to work well on (very) low-end hardware, for example Lubuntu [1] and Xubuntu [2]. [1] http://lubuntu.net/ [2] http://xubuntu.org/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/introduction-to-quantum-gis Southeast OSGEO: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Southeast_US ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of having Open Principles in Education for our future generations
meaningful learning experience each and every year (in the long term). Hence it is important to think about the long term implications as there is a heavy technology component for this AP and the cost/sustainability implications of relying on any particular proprietary vendor ONLY. Your reference to AP in Computer Science (which has a similar substantial technology component) and why and how Java became the choice ( inspite of many other options ) is very important factor for AAG to look into carefully and make sure they do learn lessons from this . The vision and farsightedness of AP in Computer Science colleagues in choosing Java (over other options) in making sure there is GNU General Public License and cross-platform criteria in the choice of AP Computer Science course is important to note for the planned AP in GIS T also as this is very key for the cost/sustainability and long term implications as well empowering educators so that they are not at the mercy of any vendor alone due to any changed conditions later. I understand from Dr. Christopher K Tucker (Chairman of the Board of Trustees, The MapStory Foundation) that when MapStory [3] is relaunched later in June, it will be an openly licensed data commons, an Open Educational Resource, that is OGC compliant, built on open source geo . It is intended explicitly for students to be able to organize and share what they know about the world spatially and temporally. And, in the redesign, they will open up distributed versioned editing of change over time, so that students can collaborate on data collection projects, and then tell their own stories with this data. This is exactly the kind of spatial learning platform we need for expanding geoeducation for schools and empowering educators and also help design, implement, and analyze solutions to problems that have a geographic or spatial component. We will be in discussions with Map Story Foundation and other learned societies like The American Geographical Society (AGS) and we will do our best to support this excellent initiative for Open Principles in Education. I hope AAG will keep other learned societies like AGS in the loop and involve them and initiatives like MapStory in this AP in GIST initiative. Also for info, I have not yet got a clear answer or guarantee from anyone to my basic question i asked * What is the guarantee that the proprietary GIS vendor will keep providing free service for the long term? * If the proprietary GIS vendor decides to change the costs and other conditions in say 5 years time what will happen to these hundreds of thousands of students? Can AAG or anyone give us any guarantee.? * If so, Who will be paying for this changed conditions later in say 5 years time? Will it be the schools who have to pay or will AAG give them funding for any changed conditions by the proprietary GIS vendor? * If so, How much will be the yearly costs for the whole program ? * What will then be total costs be to transition this to Open Platforms later? It is important that AAG really ought to discuss full details about this before any software choice is made. Vendors can change their mind any time and the poor schools ,teachers and students will be left on thier own. Either they have to pay and buy (maybe they will get some discount) but the fact of the matter is academics , teachers and students are at the mercy of the vendor. If the properitory vendor decides to change the costs or terms, the schools and students will suffer. I clearly highlighted this problem when i recieved info. from one list member (Randal Hale, USA ) informing of proprietary GIS software update problems faced by a high school in USA [1] and that example was a real eye opener of the long term costs/sustainability issues of properitory GIS software in geoeducation and hence i decided to take action and contact AAG on this. In fact, i would think there are many more schools in the same situvation which we dont even know of. Education means empowerment of educators and students and that is very important to keep in mind. That is why it is important to have open discussions and debates on this. I hope AAG will not attempt to do any decisions under closed doors with any proprietary GIS vendor (because of sponsor pressure etc) as it not good for educators and students interest in the long term .If a particular proprietary GIS vendor wants their software to be the ONLY one to used for this program that is not real education but just a software training program designed to building their user base and agenda in the name of widening geoeducation. I am clear that as Educators we have to keep focus on Open Principles in education. For us, who are supporting Open Principles in Education , we do not have the money or power as the vendors, so it is educators like you all who have to make sure the right choices are made as it affects hundreds
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Southeast US OSGEO Chapter
COOL - Thanks - I'll most likely file a ticket by the end of next week. I really appreciate it! Hopefully we get things rolling and start something interesting. Randy On 04/11/2015 12:32 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: This makes total sense Randy, thanks for pushing this. This week I also heard from a group in Chile with the same thoughts, might as well start something locally and share. You can do the mailing list at any time, just file a ticket here[1] under the Systems Admin component, and include the admin's e-mail and desired list name. PS. it's never too early to start thinking of plans for FOSS4G-2017 NorthAmerica ! Thanks, -jeff [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/newticket On 2015-04-11 12:26 PM, Randal Hale wrote: Good Morning (or afternoon), A group of us Between Atlanta Georgia, Raleigh North Carolina, and assorted areas of Tennessee are attempting the formation of an Southeast US OSGEO Chapter/Group. So we invite any locals in those three states or adjoining states to join us and see what we can put together. The area is very active from a geospatial perspective with state URISA Chapters, Surveying groups, ESRI User groups, etc. Except no groups that advocate the use of Open Source GIS - So we want to change that. I have no idea how the group will grow or what will happen - but there is enough interest to make a push to get a chapter (or chapters) going. I'm asking people to list themselves under the membership section of: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Southeast_US so that I can start to get a handle on how many people want to be part of this (or email me). With enough interest I hope to get an email listserv going. Anyway - I look forward to this adventure and seeing what shape this takes, Randy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/introduction-to-quantum-gis ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Southeast US OSGEO Chapter
Good Morning (or afternoon), A group of us Between Atlanta Georgia, Raleigh North Carolina, and assorted areas of Tennessee are attempting the formation of an Southeast US OSGEO Chapter/Group. So we invite any locals in those three states or adjoining states to join us and see what we can put together. The area is very active from a geospatial perspective with state URISA Chapters, Surveying groups, ESRI User groups, etc. Except no groups that advocate the use of Open Source GIS - So we want to change that. I have no idea how the group will grow or what will happen - but there is enough interest to make a push to get a chapter (or chapters) going. I'm asking people to list themselves under the membership section of: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Southeast_US so that I can start to get a handle on how many people want to be part of this (or email me). With enough interest I hope to get an email listserv going. Anyway - I look forward to this adventure and seeing what shape this takes, Randy -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/introduction-to-quantum-gis ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO/QGIS Meetup at Georgia Geospatial Conference 2014 in Athens Georgia
On Monday October 6th (workshop day) 2014, I'm teaching a OpenStreetMap for GIS People formatted workshop at the Georgia Geospatial Conference . At 5:30 p.m. EST I plan on having a meetup in the room in which I'm teaching the class (in the Classic Center - Room Athena C). 10 Minutes into the meeting we will most likely relocate to a local eating and drinking establishment to solve the world's problems and come up with a plan for the group. I will leave as much of a trail as to where we are going that is allowed by the local litter/sign ordinance. If you're interested in FOSS4G/QGIS and you are going to be at the conference - please attend. If you can't but are still interested - http://www.meetup.com/qgis_us/Atlanta-QGIS-Users-Group/ We plan on covering all sorts of topics from QGIS to PostGIS to anything else that in which the group is interested. * What is QGIS? * Have no clue what Free and Open Source Software is for GIS? * Will it work with the Commercial stuff? * Why is OpenStreetMap? * When does PostGIS Day happen? * This stuff is Free - it can't be that good...Can it? * Map Server Serves Maps? * Leaflet? Because it's fall? * Make GIS Fun again? WHAT? Everyone is welcome from companies to casual enthusiasts to the person that didn't wish to sit in their rooms on Monday night. Once we get through October 6th plan on a bigger meeting within Atlanta. Thanks for your time, Randy -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhalehttp://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/spatial-connect *Intro to QGIS Class - October 9th 2014 - Athens Georgia* ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Inquiry: Help please! [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
Just off the top of my head Erdas has/had a tool called objective that would outline building rooftops...possibly in 3-d - http://www.hexagongeospatial.com/products/ERDAS-IMAGINE/IMAGINEObjective/Details.aspx There are several packages from ERDAS/Intergraph/Boeing/etc that do this type of thing - although I've been out of the industry too long to know if it's down to automatic (button push). As for free geospatial data - that is doubtful. You are probably going to have to draw up plans and have data collected to support this endeavor. To map a US Based Fossil Plant (burning coal to produce electricity) would cost 10 years ago about ~$100,000 and that gave you contours, building heights, coal inventory, planimetrics, etc. Now I'm assuming a large portion of that would be done with lidar and not require massive numbers of stero pairs etc (only reason I know is I had to have one done for a former employer). Hope that helps - the software exists - I don't think it exists in the Open Source world currently. Randy On 08/03/2014 06:05 PM, Bruce Bannerman wrote: Sid, A search on the term photogrammetry may also help. This is a very specialised discipline. You will find that some photogrammetric software already exists. Bruce From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Pat Tressel [ptres...@myuw.net] Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2014 4:34 PM To: S.A. Mouti Cc: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Inquiry: Help please! Hi, Sid! I would like to develop an algorithm that uses remote geographic sensing data to automatically identify, highlight, and measure rooftops and buildings surfaces and contours using Geospatial data. My preference is to overlay the results on one of the existing map providers such as Google Earth/maps or Bing . My aim is to get the following outputs from the proposed model: * Accurately highlighted and identified rooftops on Google maps (using geo sensing data, elevation? and * Property Address or GPS coordinate. * Surface and square footage available for solar power generation including the position of the property(N-S or E-W). At the exact surface of the south facing portion of the roof. * Integrate sun tool in google maps to calculate shading for each building. * Total surface/square footage of the roof. I would appreciate your guidance on the following: * Any individual developers or companies active in this area who would be willing to undertake this challenge * View on technical do-ability of the project… * What free geospatial data is available/needed to build the model and who the providers are? (I understand that US cleared higher resolution imagery for domestic ) * An idea about the overall cost for such a model. Best regards, Sid Just want to mention two things: 1) Building outlines are available for some locations in both commercial maps (Google and Bing, for instance). In OpenStreetMap, if buildings have not been mapped for a specific area you're interested in, you might be able to get local mappers to do it. (Of course, the building outlines obtained that way may not be accurate. Many times, the building outline is simplified from the actual building as it's only needed to indicate, there is / was a building here, e.g. for rescue workers looking for survivors after a natural disaster.) 2) If you use satellite imagery (or possibly low-elevation imagery if you have accurate info on the camera path and orientation), then the shadows cast by buildings can be used to estimate their height. A very brief web search turns up a fair number of papers on this -- just one example, with references to earlier work that may be more relevant: http://www.asprs.org/a/publications/pers/98journal/january/1998_jan_35-44.pdf -- Pat ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/spatial-connect ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Using ArcGIS Desktop with PostGIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
with both ArcGIS Desktop and open source Desktop GIS applications as client tools. Provided that we can arrive at a good robust solution, I'd like to move our ArcGIS Desktop clients away from ArcSDE, and consolidate our vector spatial database environment on Postgres / PostGIS. Bruce ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.orgmailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Gavin Fleming t: 0218620670 w: 0218630660 c: 0845965680 f: 0866164820 Paarl South Africa 18°59'19.6E 33°44'46.1S ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jeff McKenna MapServer Consulting and Training Services http://www.gatewaygeomatics.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Doug Newcomb USFWS Raleigh, NC 919-856-4520 ext. 14 doug_newc...@fws.gov mailto:doug_newc...@fws.gov - The opinions I express are my own and are not representative of the official policy of the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service or Dept. of the Interior. Life is too short for undocumented, proprietary data formats. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- - Randal Hale North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale http://www.northrivergeographic.com/spatial-connect ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapping advice
Good Morning/Afternoon If it were me - I would do everything in QGIS. It will be much easier to work with and you won't have any of the oddness of GRASS - I like GRASS - but it's not the easiest thing in the world to work with. QGIS also translates data over to mapinfo very well. You should be able to do everything in QGIS without programming. There is a plugin to QGIS for Mapserver - so once the project is set up You could publish it there. I would try to keep it as simple and as well documented as possible. Hope that helps some - yell if you need help Randy On 01/04/2013 08:12 AM, Rachel Forrest wrote: Hi everybody, I am starting a new project that will use mapping software and consist of various components, I have been doing research about the best programme to use, but some advice from someone who has an overview of all of these programmes would be great. I'm new to mapping, so if explainations could be pretty straightforward that would be great. The project will basically involve mapping economic data from a variety of UK sources in the area that I'm concerned with (the Highlands and Islands of Scotland). The goal of this project is to have the maps (with various layers that can be available to all within the organisation and user friendly) that they automatically update, or are easy to update. So I was thinking of a web-based application as the end product, such as Open Layers or Map Server? For the making of the maps QGIS and getting the data through GRASS GIS. Am I correct in my thinking that GRASS GIS is the best for getting the data in, and can access external files? I want to draw together data from various external sources and from the agency's own external COGNOS system, any advice with that? Also, is there any existing data hub that draw together economic, population data etc for the UK? I know where to go to download the various bits and pieces I need but if there is any way to automatically extract the data without manually downloading that would be great. The organisation has MapInfo on one computer, I would prefer to use open source software as skills gained will be more transferable, plus the only computer is based in another office and is a bit of a pain to get to. For me this all seems quite daunting and it doesn't help that I haven't had any experience with programming languages or mapping about from quick dabbles. I have a training budget with my placement and have already been approved to do QGIS training but if anyone can offer training relating to all the problems and things I have to tie together for my specific project that would be great and I'm sure we could get something arranged. Rachel Forrest Economics Intelligence Officer Highlands and Islands Enterprise Cowan House Inverness Retail and Business Park Inverness IV2 7GF +44(0) 1463 244 433 Email: rachel.forr...@hient.co.uk mailto:rachel.forr...@hient.co.uk www.hie.co.uk http://www.hie.co.uk/ This document is confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please inform the sender immediately. Any unauthorised use of this document is strictly prohibited. HIE uses filter software to protect its staff and will automatically delete any email that contains offensive or profane content. Tha an teachdaireachd seo diomhair agus 's ann dhan neach-ainmichte a-mhain a tha i. Ma 's e is gun d'fhuair sibh le mearachd i, feuchaibh is leigibh fios sa spot dhan neach bhon tainig i. Tha cleachdadh neo-cheadaichte na teachdaireachd seo fior-thoirmisgte. Tha HIE a' cleachdadh bathar-bog gus luchd-obrach na buidhne a dhion is cuiridh i as do phost-dealain sam bith sa bheil cail oilbheumach no truailleach. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Randal Hale, GISP North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapping advice
I agree - GRASS is awesome software - but for a beginner it's too steep of a learning curve. I scratch my head using it and I've been doing this for a while (granted not with Grass) but still. With what she is doing - QGIS should work fineMapserver/Geoserver is a bit of work but very doable. Especially with an OSGEO chapter somewhere in the vicinity - it's all good. BTW - ArcGIS User for 20 years - QGIS is my new GIS love affair. Randy Randal Hale, GISP North River Geographic Systems, Inc http://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com twitter:rjhale http://about.me/rjhale On 1/4/2013 10:09 AM, Jo Cook wrote: Hi Maxi, I'm not sure which comment you're referring to with this- but I don't think either myself or Randal are being impolite in our responses. Certainly, all I meant was that for a beginner, using GRASS would require a steep learning curve. I use GRASS when I need advanced functionality, but I think the learning curve may put new users off, that's all. Jo On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch mailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch wrote: Pls, let me say that I don't like the approach: don't sue this software! Many software can do the job, suggesting your preferred approach without reference to what not to use (in your questionabile opinion) may result more polite and in line with open source collaboration. Regards, Maxi Il giorno 04/gen/2013 14:57, Jo Cook joc...@astuntechnology.com mailto:joc...@astuntechnology.com ha scritto: +1 for using QGIS without GRASS- it should do everything you need. Just one thing- you need Mapserver (or Geoserver as an alternative) and something like OpenLayers to form the online mapping component. Mapserver does the work of serving up your geospatial data, then the actual user interface (the map, with the options to switch layers on and off) is done using openlayers. Since you're in the UK, can I point you at the OSGeo UK local chapter? http://www.osgeo.org/uk we have our own mailing list, which is where you might have more luck getting information about UK-specific datasets- you will also find a few companies on there who provide training in the various components that you're looking to use. (Disclaimer, the company that I work for- Astun Technology) is one of those. Hope that's useful, again, feel free to shout if you need more help/advice. Also, it's great that you're looking at open source options- I wish more people starting out would do the same! Jo On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com mailto:rjh...@northrivergeographic.com wrote: Good Morning/Afternoon If it were me - I would do everything in QGIS. It will be much easier to work with and you won't have any of the oddness of GRASS - I like GRASS - but it's not the easiest thing in the world to work with. QGIS also translates data over to mapinfo very well. You should be able to do everything in QGIS without programming. There is a plugin to QGIS for Mapserver - so once the project is set up You could publish it there. I would try to keep it as simple and as well documented as possible. Hope that helps some - yell if you need help Randy -- *Jo Cook* Astun Technology Ltd, The Coach House, 17 West Street, Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7RL, UK t:+44 750 095 8167 iShare - Data integration and publishing platform http://www.isharemaps.com/ * Company registration no. 5410695. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 120 Manor Green Road, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 8LN VAT no. 864201149. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
