Hello Sanghee,
I am saddened that you removed the entire presentation, for I think,
overall, it was a good idea. I apologize for my role in that result.
I encourage in the BOF the idea to potentially review key conference
marketing material with an eye toward the messaging before it goes public,
Dear All,
I’d like to report updates on our discussion.
1. Regarding CoC offline discussion at FOSS4G Seoul, we may have discussion at
BOF meeting[0]. I believe Jeff already marked the timeslot there on 16th
September. If you need more timeslots, just add to the BOF wiki please. Also if
you
Slide 6, may be removed and so is slide 20 (the girls group). Those
interested can always see them on the web. Slide 20 betrays a notion of
enticement, at a FOSS4G conference. This is strictly my personal opinion.
There are many good inviting slides to entice taste-buds.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3
OK, having been the one that unwittingly ‘lit the match’, here are my
concluding thoughts for use for the discussion in Seoul (and I agree with
Sanghee we should end this thread!)
1) This discussion was about the recruiting message and signals to the
world about who we are as a global community,
Hi,
even the discussion seems to calm down already (or maybe because of that),
I would like to leave some notes as well:
Yes, I make jokes about everything, even serious stuff. It's my way, how to
deal with difficult topics, where is no single clear answer or the
everything seems to be screwed -
wise words, will do so :)
-Peter
On 06/25/15 10:34, Sanghee Shin wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing
> lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this.
>
> I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to
Dear All,
Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing
lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this.
I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in
Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we c
People aren't seeing the irony in telling us not to discuss the
presentation, while at the same time decrying censorship... ;-)
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Once again I express my opinion:
I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting
diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything.
If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the
agreed CoC.
Do we really want to argue about t
Peter --
I'm trying to improve the presentation. Ok? Thanks.
> The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields,
> but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment...
>
> Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of
> marketing a
I hesitate to step into the "sexism in tech" debate, but... There may be
some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant -- some
specifically have to do with conferences. This list is not R-rated, so
rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you
search
On 06/25/15 09:26, Pat Tressel wrote:
> The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but
> if I can return to the original presentation for a moment...
>
> Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of
> marketing and branding. Is this an
The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields,
but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment...
Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of
marketing and branding. Is this an effective advertisement? Does it
accomplish the
although I try to force myself to focus on productive tasks I just have to
briefly respond.
On 06/24/15 18:46, Andy Anderson wrote:
> Ah! Anecdotes! Let me provide one from my personal experience that’s more
> relevant. A female friend of mine attending a school *was* offended by the
> gratuitous
Ah! Anecdotes! Let me provide one from my personal experience that’s more
relevant. A female friend of mine attending a school *was* offended by the
gratuitous insertion of nude pictures in a slide presentation in one of her
classes. That school was soon thereafter subjected to an investigation
Hi, all --
Including the conference list on this, since I think it's relevant (and I
suspect that variations on this conversation are happening in multiple
corners).
re: implementation plans for the CoC. A group of folks met during State of
the Map in NYC earlier this month to talk about what an
Dear Charles,
I understand your real intention now. Just like you mentioned, it's not the
issue of CoC. That's me who links this with CoC. And I myself brought this
to the public discussion since I felt I could be wrong and this might be
the matter of CoC. We should have discussed this earlier in
Hahaha!
I appreciate this. Maybe we need to add some statistics to your
political-correctness-o-meter to measure how much of the world population
is potentially still "on board" at the final slide. This will give a clear
insight of how many people will come to the event. ;-)
On Jun 24, 2015 3:41 P
(I've been trying not to post again, but since in a way I started this (not
meant to go so publicly!), here's my last post):
This isn't a COC issue.
This is a discussion about FOSS4G recruitment and messaging issue,
representing all of us globally who feel part of the FOSS4G community and
want to
El Miércoles 24. junio 2015 12.42.40 Charles Schweik escribió:
> [...] I was raising the question that those slides could turn some women off
> who are considering attending and I think [...]
I feel obliged to jump in the thread, because this looks just like a recent
case of "the limits of jokin
Just my 0.0002 cents,
I feel things are getting over complicated.
We have a CoC, and I think all the Charther member should confirm they
agree (actually a pre-requisite to become a charter member).
Then if a serious case is detected the Member can be eventually banned from
the community.
Otherwi
Dear All,
One thing I could say about the controversial #6 slide is that that is exactly
what Salvador Dali try to point out. I didn’t crop out the image intentionally
for ‘commercial.’ Image in #6 can be found in internet as well as art history
book.
If you visited Dali Museum in Figueres,
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Milo van der Linden
wrote:
> Hi Sanghee,
>
> Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first
> reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is
> well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly se
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Charles Schweik
wrote:
> By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that those
> slides could turn some women off who are considering attending and I think
> those kinds of signals are moving the community the wrong direction, and
> that perhaps th
Hi Sanghee,
Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first
reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is
well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly see any
offense in them nor see any offense in other cultures. However, after
I thank Sanghee for bringing this to the community. I want to point out
that having just a "Code of Conduct", words, on a website is not enough,
there needs to be a whole structure of how to handle this. In bold
letters I want to state publicly: there is currently no implementation
plan for the O
Hi Charlie,
I actually get your point of view, and tend to agree with it.
Best regards,
Bart
> On 24 Jun 2015, at 13:42, Charles Schweik wrote:
>
> OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at
> the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant proposal I am writing
OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at
the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant proposal I am writing at a
time when I was thinking specifically about diversity recruitment to
GeoForAll.
By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that thos
Hello Sanghee,
> I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why you
> should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G
> Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, slide #6
> (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of
Hi Sanghee,
My personal opinion (as a female member of OSGeo) is that these slides are
certainly NOT offensive to women. From your description, they are being
used in context and there should be no problems with that.
Jo
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Sanghee Shin wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> It’
Dear All,
It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.
I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why you
should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G
Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, s
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