Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Basques wrote: > All, > > We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. > I was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, > both from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as > well as some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the > short term/ long term, etc. > > Thanks > > bobb Bob, the subject line and the answers make me wonder whether you are aiming at free and open access data or software or both? The International Federation of Surveyors (FIG) [1] has recently released the publication [2] "FLOSS in Cadastre and Land Registration - Opportunities and Risks" together with FAO. It has two initial chapters on "Free and Open-Source Software" and "Open-Source Software for Geospatial Data – The Birth of OSGeo". The publication is directed at decision makers and lacks most of the tech talk that makes those folks' eyes glaze over immediately. It is still 7 and 9 pages to read (coincidences) but fairly straight forward. Maybe you can take some ideas from them when promoting the Open Source idea. Regards, Arnulf. [1] http://www.fig.net/commission7/index.htm [2] http://www.fig.net/pub/fao/floss_cadastre.pdf [3] http://openstreetmap.org/ > > > > ___ Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss - -- Arnulf Christl President OSGeo http://www.osgeo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvHW98ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b2UewCeJe5qxNdOQmQ6ynqtxF1VkLqC KMIAnjNxmMXbgd2+xDH4O78SliJkpm4z =5gRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
Bob Basques wrote: I've already found a bunch of stuff, just trying to figure out the authority aspects, do the writers know what they are talking about, etc, need to pass things on to people that don't know or want to know the details, but are interested in savings (which is my primary sales focus, so far) I work with local council customers over here who have to pay Ordnance Survey license fees for a lot of the mapping data that they use. Even where THEY have supplied the data in the first place ;) and the current move to open up access over here is because of the pressure to make things more open. I only use open source projects in the frameworks I install, so we have no requirement to cover 'user licenses' or anything like that, and up until now only OSM has been used for street maps. The availability of OS data now allows an alternative to be added under the same rules. This is a lot more restrictive than the US, where OSM has a lot more detail provided by the TIGER data already. We've had OpenSource software in place in the office for a number of years, but not in an end user exposed location, which is where this disucussion is aimed at.. This would be the early stage stuff, as in, what is OpenSource, sounds too good to be true sort of replies (Literally!!). 'We need to add a couple more users - how much will it cost?' is MY usual enquiry. When I say NOTHING there is usually a 'Really!'. Using web based access ADDING some sort of usage management would cost money :) If we find that the load on the servers has grown too much then we just sell them an additional server ( and maintenance on that ;) ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
http://www.opensource.org/osi-open-source-education#presentations_developed_by_osi http://www.dwheeler.com/ Kip From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Bob Basques Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:46 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source Lester, I've already found a bunch of stuff, just trying to figure out the authority aspects, do the writers know what they are talking about, etc, need to pass things on to people that don't know or want to know the details, but are interested in savings (which is my primary sales focus, so far) We've had OpenSource software in place in the office for a number of years, but not in an end user exposed location, which is where this disucussion is aimed at.. This would be the early stage stuff, as in, what is OpenSource, sounds too good to be true sort of replies (Literally!!). bobb >>> Lester Caine wrote: Bob Basques wrote: > We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I > was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both > from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as > some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ > long term, etc. How long is a piece of string? . ;) What sort of information are you looking for? There is a growing catalog of freely available data from various sources. The UK government has just released some nice raster and tabular data, and the US government makes conciderable more freely available. And there are plenty of open source software packages that will work with it. So what are you looking for? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss This message and any enclosures are intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by email if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents or enclosures to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Ball reserves the right to monitor and review all messages and enclosures sent to or from this email address. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
John, Thanks, didn't even think about that. I included in my Primer . . . bobb >>> John Callahan wrote: Paul Ramsey's keynote at FOSS4G 2009 immediately comes to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_a28vBtBk&feature=related ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_a28vBtBk&feature=related ) - John ** John Callahan, Geographic Information Scientist Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware URL: http://www.dgs.udel.edu ** On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Bob Basques wrote: All, We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ long term, etc. Thanks bobb ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
Open source forces a dependence on the vendor's business plans - an issue
too infrequently noted in the discussions I've seen.
In our case - as the developer of an Open Source dispatch software - we had
user interest in integrating our package with asterisk, an Open Source pbx
system. Now with that integration working, responding units and other
authorized folks can update status information ("Press 1 for 'on-scene',
etc. via text to speech) and will be able to get system summary information,
etc. via cell phone.
Maybe yr commercial vendor is willing to take that on, but maybe not if they
see the market potential as too limited.
A
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
here, i am help bakosutranal, our goverment GIS departement we still have a lot of question, how good is OSGEo product :) which we know they are opensource..vs ESRI -- Frans Thamura Meruvian. Experiential Tempation of Java and Enterprise OpenSource Meruvian jTechnopreneur Program (S1) telah hadir, Dapatkan benefit bagi SMK yang melakukan mapping SKKD, dg program beasiswa dari Gunadarma Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We provide services to migrate your apps to Java (web), in amazing fast and reliable. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Bob Basques wrote: > Lester, > > I've already found a bunch of stuff, just trying to figure out the > authority aspects, do the writers know what they are talking about, etc, > need to pass things on to people that don't know or want to know the > details, but are interested in savings (which is my primary sales focus, so > far) > > We've had OpenSource software in place in the office for a number of > years, but not in an end user exposed location, which is where this > disucussion is aimed at.. > > This would be the early stage stuff, as in, what is OpenSource, sounds > too good to be true sort of replies (Literally!!). > > bobb > > > > > > >>> Lester Caine wrote: > > Bob Basques wrote: > > We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I > > was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both > > from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as > > some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ > > long term, etc. > > How long is a piece of string? . ;) > What sort of information are you looking for? There is a growing catalog of > freely available data from various sources. The UK government has just > released > some nice raster and tabular data, and the US government makes conciderable > more > freely available. And there are plenty of open source software packages > that > will work with it. > > So what are you looking for? > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > - > Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk > EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ > Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// > Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
Lester, I've already found a bunch of stuff, just trying to figure out the authority aspects, do the writers know what they are talking about, etc, need to pass things on to people that don't know or want to know the details, but are interested in savings (which is my primary sales focus, so far) We've had OpenSource software in place in the office for a number of years, but not in an end user exposed location, which is where this disucussion is aimed at.. This would be the early stage stuff, as in, what is OpenSource, sounds too good to be true sort of replies (Literally!!). bobb >>> Lester Caine wrote: Bob Basques wrote: > We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I > was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both > from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as > some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ > long term, etc. How long is a piece of string? . ;) What sort of information are you looking for? There is a growing catalog of freely available data from various sources. The UK government has just released some nice raster and tabular data, and the US government makes conciderable more freely available. And there are plenty of open source software packages that will work with it. So what are you looking for? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact ( http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact ) L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
Bob Basques wrote: We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ long term, etc. How long is a piece of string? . ;) What sort of information are you looking for? There is a growing catalog of freely available data from various sources. The UK government has just released some nice raster and tabular data, and the US government makes conciderable more freely available. And there are plenty of open source software packages that will work with it. So what are you looking for? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
Paul Ramsey's keynote at FOSS4G 2009 immediately comes to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_a28vBtBk&feature=related - John ** John Callahan, Geographic Information Scientist Delaware Geological Survey, University of Delaware URL: http://www.dgs.udel.edu ** On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Bob Basques wrote: > All, > > We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I > was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both > from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as some > somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ long term, > etc. > > Thanks > > bobb > > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source vs Closed source
All, We've got a discussion going on in the office about the subject line. I was wondering if folks here had any pointers to online information, both from a superficial view (low detail level, IE Manager speak) as well as some somewhat higher level information about costs, in the short term/ long term, etc. Thanks bobb ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
