Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Jody Garnett ha scritto: Could we start with a simple content management system (or wiki that supports attachments?) The thing is, that's already there, and it's not working all that great for what I can see. The elements I listed in a previous mail (per item discussion, peer evaluation, categories and the like) seem like the turning point that makes the user community going. Put another way, have you ever heard of a wiki style site that collects KDE apps? Maybe it was tried out, but what's really working out there is the http://www.kde-apps.org/ format instead. I've tried to contact those guys but I got no response so far so... it seems I won't be able to just leverage their platform after all :( Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Could we start with a simple content management system (or wiki that > supports attachments?) Jody, you can upload and link files in the OSGeo Wiki. Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Could we start with a simple content management system (or wiki that supports attachments?) Jody Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Not sure where I can help but I think this exchange concept is a great idea! If anyone finds some tools that could help run such an exchange, and if there is sufficient interest, I might be able to help set up the tools for testing. Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
On 29-Dec-08, at 1:05 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: So the question about a symbol set being "considered" would not really stand up, if you'd care to point people to them you'd just have to register to the site and add a pointer to them or upload the symbols directly there if the license allows it. Not sure where I can help but I think this exchange concept is a great idea! If anyone finds some tools that could help run such an exchange, and if there is sufficient interest, I might be able to help set up the tools for testing. Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Moskovitz, Bob ha scritto: It would be great if geological symbols that can be found in http://pubs.usgs.gov/tm/2006/11A02 can be considered. Well, no matter what the technical solution adopted is going to be, the key is that the site contents should be totally user driven, much alike wikipedia, not a set of symbols chosen by a committee. So the question about a symbol set being "considered" would not really stand up, if you'd care to point people to them you'd just have to register to the site and add a pointer to them or upload the symbols directly there if the license allows it. I know this would eventually mean some bad content gets into the site, and that's why peer ranking and item related discussions are important, if enough people get interested in the site (if we reach a critical mass) then good content will stand up by itself. Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
It would be great if geological symbols that can be found in http://pubs.usgs.gov/tm/2006/11A02 can be considered. Robert Moskovitz California Geological Survey/Seismic Hazard Mapping Project http://gmw.conservation.ca.gov/shmp -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org on behalf of Andrea Aime Sent: Fri 12/26/2008 2:17 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange Hi, lately I was looking around for places where sample map styles, sample map symbols, and public discussions (forums/ml) about the topic of map making on web/desktop platforms. I've found something around, like the MapServer symbology exchange, or the italian OSGEO chapter site collecting some free SVG symbols. And some discussions as well, but sprinkled over various mailing list as part of a different main topic. The scenario is somewhat discouraging, and I was thinking of ways to improve the situation, have more users exchange, discuss and participate in a community of electonic map makers. What I have in mind is a platform like gnome-look.org allowing everyone to post and share their work, organize it in categories, have other people vote and comment/discuss Examples: - map symbols - map styles, be it SLD, mapfiles, mapnik config file, ESRI projects (why not?) - data itself, be it real downloadable data, or pointers to sites where the data is available Here are some user stories I have in mind for such a site: - a user has made a map is proud of. He posts on the site a screenshot of the map, the style used to create it, and the license under which the style is distributed. Other people can comment, eventually show how the same map can be created using a different GIS system - maybe the above map contains self made symbols (SVG, TTF, MapServer symbols, ...) that can be published in a map symbol sharing area of the same site - the same map is done using some data, maybe the data can be shared, or the map has been produced over some well known free data set. This would help others make the same map with another system, or take the initial map and propose variations/improvements on top of it Adding a forum where people can discuss about map making would be good as well. This would be in competition with the various support forums of the existing projects, so it has to provide something more than the existing ml do not provide. What that is, is comparisons between different products, approaches to make maps: that would break the user communities silos and stimulate some lively exchange on the merits of each platform (yeah that may degenerate sometimes, but I believe most of the times it would be healthy and very interesting for users and developers alike). How to pull something like this off? Well, it would be nice if gnome-look (as the site code) was open source, thought as of now I haven't found any indication of the code being available. The forum could be the usual php-bb or something like that. Maybe the above are not 100% suited to the task at hand, but it would be an easy start to see if the idea has merit and can pull togheter a community of users. Does anybody have suggestions on existing software platforms that could be used to put togheter such a site? Soo... wondering what other people think about this? I would be willing to put some of my time on this, but I'm already quite busy with other stuff in GeoServer/GeoTools land so I'm wondering if there is anybody else interested in such a thing? Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Andrea Aime wrote: Doh, interesting, and I thought it was for blog posts only... do you have some reference in mind, like one or more example sites I can look at? there's a huge catalog[1]. an example chosen quickly is this: http://www.freshapps.com/ (click on a title to see details expanded and look at "browse" section) Do you know any site made with wordpress that has this kde-looks ability to show the most interesting items by category with a screenshot, title and short description? (the visual component is key to such a site). it was easier than what expected to find one[2]: the Plugin directory of WordPress site offers a directory tree, with the number of related posts and a "per popularity" order. Then I see they have a "Newest" and "Recently Updated" index, guess this is not that difficult to customize. What is lacking is the image but I still guess that should not be difficult to add one. ciao lorenzo [1] http://www.freshapps.com/ [2] http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/browse/popular/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Lorenzo Becchi ha scritto: Andrea Aime wrote: ... Well, personally I don't have much time, but the idea is engaging. What I would like to see in such a platform is: - easy to get into it. Register and contribute - have some focus on the contribution license, it is important that whoever shares decides how others can reuse his work - peer review (voting system) - comments, possibly treaded -> a discussion on each contribution - forum, where people can discuss map making more in general - visual, everything we talk about (style, symbols, softwares, data) should be accompained by at least one screenshot, the screenshot should appear in all listings - categorized, so that if I'm interested in symbols I know where to go... maybe we more than one way to categorize stuff, think point symbols vs fills but also geology vs road maps AFAIK, with a little customization (or maybe not) of Wordpress [1] you can do them all. Doh, interesting, and I thought it was for blog posts only... do you have some reference in mind, like one or more example sites I can look at? Do you know any site made with wordpress that has this kde-looks ability to show the most interesting items by category with a screenshot, title and short description? (the visual component is key to such a site). Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Andrea Aime wrote: ... Well, personally I don't have much time, but the idea is engaging. What I would like to see in such a platform is: - easy to get into it. Register and contribute - have some focus on the contribution license, it is important that whoever shares decides how others can reuse his work - peer review (voting system) - comments, possibly treaded -> a discussion on each contribution - forum, where people can discuss map making more in general - visual, everything we talk about (style, symbols, softwares, data) should be accompained by at least one screenshot, the screenshot should appear in all listings - categorized, so that if I'm interested in symbols I know where to go... maybe we more than one way to categorize stuff, think point symbols vs fills but also geology vs road maps AFAIK, with a little customization (or maybe not) of Wordpress [1] you can do them all. It's plenty of plugin and it's easy to manage... easier then drupal, I mean. ;-) ciao lorenzo [1] http://wordpress.org/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:58:44AM +0100, Andrea Aime wrote: > RAVI KUMAR ha scritto: > >Hi, > >symbology is of particular significance for Geologists. Orientation > >(Rotation) of symbols and labelling through attribute table are essential. > >OpenJUMP user list has made great contribution towards this. Wish to know > >if any other Open GIS has similar resources. > > Any software using SLD should be able to rotate symbols, > at least point ones. GeoServer does for example, I think > MapServer does too. OpenLayers does too. http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/styles-rotation.html Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
RAVI KUMAR ha scritto: Hi, symbology is of particular significance for Geologists. Orientation (Rotation) of symbols and labelling through attribute table are essential. OpenJUMP user list has made great contribution towards this. Wish to know if any other Open GIS has similar resources. Any software using SLD should be able to rotate symbols, at least point ones. GeoServer does for example, I think MapServer does too. But maybe you're not referring to simple points? Can you provide more details? Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Hi, symbology is of particular significance for Geologists. Orientation (Rotation) of symbols and labelling through attribute table are essential. OpenJUMP user list has made great contribution towards this. Wish to know if any other Open GIS has similar resources. Cheers Ravi Kumar --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Olivier ERTZ wrote: > From: Olivier ERTZ > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange > To: "OSGeo Discussions" > Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 4:25 PM > Hi, > while you read my little answer, just imagine a big smile > on my face, because what you describe in your call is > something that really motivates me. I was currently doing a > kind of same investigation, and Osmarender, Kosmos, MassGIS > Wiki on SLD, ... could all be added to your starting list, > and I came to the same conclusions : having a symbology and > styling platform to share would be great, and I sign up with > two hands. So, I'm ready to help in building a wiki page > to write the specification of such a platform. Of course, > OSGeo_map_symbol_set is then to be taken in consideration, > and for sure people who wrote this wiki page will feel > concerned... > > Best regards, > Olivier > > Andrea Aime wrote: > > Hi, > > lately I was looking around for places where > > sample map styles, sample map symbols, and > > public discussions (forums/ml) about the topic > > of map making on web/desktop platforms. > > > > I've found something around, like the MapServer > > symbology exchange, or the italian OSGEO chapter > > site collecting some free SVG symbols. > > And some discussions as well, but sprinkled over > > various mailing list as part of a different main > > topic. > > The scenario is somewhat discouraging, and I was > > thinking of ways to improve the situation, > > have more users exchange, discuss and participate > > in a community of electonic map makers. > > > > What I have in mind is a platform like > > gnome-look.org allowing everyone to post and > > share their work, organize it in categories, > > have other people vote and comment/discuss > > Examples: > > - map symbols > > - map styles, be it SLD, mapfiles, mapnik config file, > >ESRI projects (why not?) > > - data itself, be it real downloadable data, or > >pointers to sites where the data is available > > > > Here are some user stories I have in mind for such > > a site: > > - a user has made a map is proud of. He posts > >on the site a screenshot of the map, the style > >used to create it, and the license under which > >the style is distributed. Other people can comment, > >eventually show how the same map can be created > >using a different GIS system > > - maybe the above map contains self made symbols > >(SVG, TTF, MapServer symbols, ...) that can be > >published in a map symbol sharing area of the > >same site > > - the same map is done using some data, maybe the > >data can be shared, or the map has been produced > >over some well known free data set. This would > >help others make the same map with another > >system, or take the initial map and propose > >variations/improvements on top of it > > > > Adding a forum where people can discuss about map > > making would be good as well. > > This would be in competition with the various support > > forums of the existing projects, so it has to provide > > something more than the existing ml do not provide. > > What that is, is comparisons between different > > products, approaches to make maps: that would break > > the user communities silos and stimulate some lively > > exchange on the merits of each platform > > (yeah that may degenerate sometimes, > > but I believe most of the times it would be healthy > > and very interesting for users and developers alike). > > > > How to pull something like this off? Well, it would > > be nice if gnome-look (as the site code) was open > source, > > thought as of now I haven't found any indication > of > > the code being available. The forum could be the > > usual php-bb or something like that. > > Maybe the above are not 100% suited to the task > > at hand, but it would be an easy start to see if > > the idea has merit and can pull togheter a community > > of users. > > Does anybody have suggestions on existing software > > platforms that could be used to put togheter such > > a site? > > > > Soo... wondering what other people think about this? > > I
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Olivier ERTZ ha scritto: Hi, while you read my little answer, just imagine a big smile on my face, because what you describe in your call is something that really motivates me. I was currently doing a kind of same investigation, and Osmarender, Kosmos, MassGIS Wiki on SLD, ... could all be added to your starting list, and I came to the same conclusions : having a symbology and styling platform to share would be great, and I sign up with two hands. So, I'm ready to help in building a wiki page to write the specification of such a platform. Well, personally I don't have much time, but the idea is engaging. What I would like to see in such a platform is: - easy to get into it. Register and contribute - have some focus on the contribution license, it is important that whoever shares decides how others can reuse his work - peer review (voting system) - comments, possibly treaded -> a discussion on each contribution - forum, where people can discuss map making more in general - visual, everything we talk about (style, symbols, softwares, data) should be accompained by at least one screenshot, the screenshot should appear in all listings - categorized, so that if I'm interested in symbols I know where to go... maybe we more than one way to categorize stuff, think point symbols vs fills but also geology vs road maps The kde-looks.org plaftorm seems to offer all of the above with little/no effort. If there is no dedicated team to build a new site going to that platform seems a good way to test out the concept with little investment. The one thing I don't like much about kde-looks.org platform is that I don't understand well its licensing issues, if any, and the fact that a map styling site would be better owned by OSGEO. But in the end, I'd prefer to see one site with some chance of success despite some issues, that a lengthly discussion about tools, people that want to make them up with different technologies, and end up with nothing done because all the energy is lost in discussion, if you know what I mean. I'm more of looking for technologies that provide all of the above (or most of the above) out of the box and see what comes out by comparing them. Of course, OSGeo_map_symbol_set is then to be taken in consideration, and for sure people who wrote this wiki page will feel concerned... I don't believe there should be any concern... the page can get its representation in a such a community based site, or be an alternative to it. Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Hi, while you read my little answer, just imagine a big smile on my face, because what you describe in your call is something that really motivates me. I was currently doing a kind of same investigation, and Osmarender, Kosmos, MassGIS Wiki on SLD, ... could all be added to your starting list, and I came to the same conclusions : having a symbology and styling platform to share would be great, and I sign up with two hands. So, I'm ready to help in building a wiki page to write the specification of such a platform. Of course, OSGeo_map_symbol_set is then to be taken in consideration, and for sure people who wrote this wiki page will feel concerned... Best regards, Olivier Andrea Aime wrote: Hi, lately I was looking around for places where sample map styles, sample map symbols, and public discussions (forums/ml) about the topic of map making on web/desktop platforms. I've found something around, like the MapServer symbology exchange, or the italian OSGEO chapter site collecting some free SVG symbols. And some discussions as well, but sprinkled over various mailing list as part of a different main topic. The scenario is somewhat discouraging, and I was thinking of ways to improve the situation, have more users exchange, discuss and participate in a community of electonic map makers. What I have in mind is a platform like gnome-look.org allowing everyone to post and share their work, organize it in categories, have other people vote and comment/discuss Examples: - map symbols - map styles, be it SLD, mapfiles, mapnik config file, ESRI projects (why not?) - data itself, be it real downloadable data, or pointers to sites where the data is available Here are some user stories I have in mind for such a site: - a user has made a map is proud of. He posts on the site a screenshot of the map, the style used to create it, and the license under which the style is distributed. Other people can comment, eventually show how the same map can be created using a different GIS system - maybe the above map contains self made symbols (SVG, TTF, MapServer symbols, ...) that can be published in a map symbol sharing area of the same site - the same map is done using some data, maybe the data can be shared, or the map has been produced over some well known free data set. This would help others make the same map with another system, or take the initial map and propose variations/improvements on top of it Adding a forum where people can discuss about map making would be good as well. This would be in competition with the various support forums of the existing projects, so it has to provide something more than the existing ml do not provide. What that is, is comparisons between different products, approaches to make maps: that would break the user communities silos and stimulate some lively exchange on the merits of each platform (yeah that may degenerate sometimes, but I believe most of the times it would be healthy and very interesting for users and developers alike). How to pull something like this off? Well, it would be nice if gnome-look (as the site code) was open source, thought as of now I haven't found any indication of the code being available. The forum could be the usual php-bb or something like that. Maybe the above are not 100% suited to the task at hand, but it would be an easy start to see if the idea has merit and can pull togheter a community of users. Does anybody have suggestions on existing software platforms that could be used to put togheter such a site? Soo... wondering what other people think about this? I would be willing to put some of my time on this, but I'm already quite busy with other stuff in GeoServer/GeoTools land so I'm wondering if there is anybody else interested in such a thing? Cheers Andrea -- HEIG-VD, University Of Applied Sciences Western Switzerland IICT, Institute for Information and Communication Technologies Olivier ERTZ Avenue des Sports 20 CH-1401 Yverdon-les-Bains olivier.e...@heig-vd.ch +41 24 55 77570 -> http://www.heig-vd.ch -> http://geosysin.iict.ch begin:vcard fn:Olivier ERTZ n:ERTZ;Olivier org:HEIG-VD;Comem+ adr:Bureau T154a;;Centre St-Roch, Avenue des Sports 20;Yverdon-les-Bains ;VD;1401;Switzerland email;internet:olivier.e...@heig-vd.ch url:http://geosysin.iict.ch version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange
Hi, lately I was looking around for places where sample map styles, sample map symbols, and public discussions (forums/ml) about the topic of map making on web/desktop platforms. I've found something around, like the MapServer symbology exchange, or the italian OSGEO chapter site collecting some free SVG symbols. And some discussions as well, but sprinkled over various mailing list as part of a different main topic. The scenario is somewhat discouraging, and I was thinking of ways to improve the situation, have more users exchange, discuss and participate in a community of electonic map makers. What I have in mind is a platform like gnome-look.org allowing everyone to post and share their work, organize it in categories, have other people vote and comment/discuss Examples: - map symbols - map styles, be it SLD, mapfiles, mapnik config file, ESRI projects (why not?) - data itself, be it real downloadable data, or pointers to sites where the data is available Here are some user stories I have in mind for such a site: - a user has made a map is proud of. He posts on the site a screenshot of the map, the style used to create it, and the license under which the style is distributed. Other people can comment, eventually show how the same map can be created using a different GIS system - maybe the above map contains self made symbols (SVG, TTF, MapServer symbols, ...) that can be published in a map symbol sharing area of the same site - the same map is done using some data, maybe the data can be shared, or the map has been produced over some well known free data set. This would help others make the same map with another system, or take the initial map and propose variations/improvements on top of it Adding a forum where people can discuss about map making would be good as well. This would be in competition with the various support forums of the existing projects, so it has to provide something more than the existing ml do not provide. What that is, is comparisons between different products, approaches to make maps: that would break the user communities silos and stimulate some lively exchange on the merits of each platform (yeah that may degenerate sometimes, but I believe most of the times it would be healthy and very interesting for users and developers alike). How to pull something like this off? Well, it would be nice if gnome-look (as the site code) was open source, thought as of now I haven't found any indication of the code being available. The forum could be the usual php-bb or something like that. Maybe the above are not 100% suited to the task at hand, but it would be an easy start to see if the idea has merit and can pull togheter a community of users. Does anybody have suggestions on existing software platforms that could be used to put togheter such a site? Soo... wondering what other people think about this? I would be willing to put some of my time on this, but I'm already quite busy with other stuff in GeoServer/GeoTools land so I'm wondering if there is anybody else interested in such a thing? Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
