Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-03 Thread egd
radish;253472 Wrote: I do not believe it's a legitimate option for me to say I value this thing you made enough to make a copy and enjoy it, but not enough to compensate you... Have I misunderstood your point or are you implying that you should not be able to rip a CD you have purchased,

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-03 Thread radish
egd;253792 Wrote: Have I misunderstood your point or are you implying that you should not be able to rip a CD you have purchased, so as to make the tracks available to slimserver and perhaps even create mp3 tracks to copy to your portable music player? Oops :) No, that's not my view at

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-03 Thread 4mula1
There's a short bit at Ars Technica regarding Radiohead's In Rainbows pay what you like experiment and the band have said they made more in digital distrubution money from In Rainbows than all of their other works combined, forever. Apparently many contracts in the days before downloading tracks

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-03 Thread tyler_durden
What is different about what a musician does that makes it worth more money than what a 3rd grade teacher does? Or a plumber? Or what I do? Musicians at at the mercy of supply and demand like any other commodity. For a few years record companies were able to control the supply and the

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-02 Thread y360
tyler_durden;253216 Wrote: Sure, if I could package little bits of my work and sell copies I be happy to do it, but I can't, and neither can most people. TD Except that software is exactly what you describe, and it does make money this way -- y360

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-02 Thread tyler_durden
y360;253359 Wrote: Except that software is exactly what you describe, and it does make money this way The only reason that work's at all is because it is possible to apply security measures to the media, and a lot of people are not sufficiently knowledgeable or motivated to seek ways to

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-02 Thread radish
I think it comes down to something very simple - respecting the artist. As someone who creates copyrighted works for a living (software in my case, but it's the same as music, painting or literature - all of which my family is involved with) I strongly believe that if someone creates something of

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-01 Thread earthbased
krochat;252794 Wrote: The RIAA claims ripping your own CDs is illegal! http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/1229/stories/1229_etc_music.php Regards, Kim Keep your powder dry! -- earthbased earthbased's Profile:

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-01 Thread earthbased
egd;253011 Wrote: With one very important difference - in the beginning the concept of the album was just that - albums generally encompassed a theme and were meant to be enjoyed in their entirety to fully appreciate the artist's work whereas today's mass-market, one hit wonder crap lends

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-01 Thread tyler_durden
In the days before recording technology existed, musicians were paid to perform. Then recording technology was invented and the record industry was born. Now musicians could get paid for making a recording and selling copies (actually, the record company could get paid- the musician got

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-01 Thread egd
tyler_durden;253216 Wrote: You wanna eat? You gotta play! There are a number of examples where this is recognised by musicians. The highest profile example is probably Madonna who has signed a contract with a concert promoter rather than renew with a label. -- egd Thecus N5200PRO

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2008-01-01 Thread Pat Farrell
tyler_durden wrote: In the days before recording technology existed, musicians were paid to perform. This has been true for thousands of years. Musicians traveled from town to town, entertained and got paid. In advanced economies, the rich (austrian princes, etc.) would pay to keep musicians

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-31 Thread y360
Sorry to burst your bubble. All these internet articles are nonsense spread out by a misunderstanding and desire to attack the RIAA. The case was about ripping and then ***sharing*** files, not just ripping them for personal use. The judgment is here

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-31 Thread Siduhe
As I've mentioned on a couple of other threads, the position in the UK is exactly that - it is technically illegal even to rip your own CDs to make a portable copy or backup. We have no concept of fair use at law. The BPI said in 2006 that they would not pursue consumers -if they copy their

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-31 Thread earthbased
Siduhe;252892 Wrote: (snip) One small glimmer of hope in Europe is a recent study published on the Copyright Directive (by the European Commission) which points some of these issues out and concludes that the Directive has given rights-holders -near-absolute control over acts

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-31 Thread 4mula1
There's a blurb on Ars Technica about CD sales dropping 20% this Christmas and it also pointed out some things I'd been thinking about. I won't argue that file sharing is a bad thing, and in the pre-litigation days I would've said that the artist and label deserved their compensation for their

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-31 Thread egd
4mula1;252946 Wrote: Sure, a lot of albums have a few dud tracks and a couple of gems and it can be a little frustrating plopping down the full price of a CD and only end up with a couple tracks you like, but that's how it's been since the beginning. With one very important difference - in

[slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread krochat
The RIAA claims ripping your own CDs is illegal! http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/1229/stories/1229_etc_music.php Regards, Kim -- krochat -- Acourate - Inguz DSP - SB3 - GW Labs DSP (96kHz upsampler) - Apogee Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2x TacT S2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread funkstar
krochat;252794 Wrote: The RIAA claims ripping your own CDs is illegal! http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/1229/stories/1229_etc_music.php Regards, Kim Too late, already a thread on this :) http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41522 -- funkstar

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread bonze
krochat;252794 Wrote: The RIAA claims ripping your own CDs is illegal! Phew! Good job I ripped someone elses then. :) -- bonze QNAP TS-101 (2.1.1 build 0827T) - SlimServer 6.5.4 TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - SqueezeCenter 7.0 3 x wireless SB3

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread funkstar
bonze;252799 Wrote: Phew! Good job I ripped someone elses then. :) LOL. you nearly made me cover my keyboard with tea :o) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread tyler_durden
We are supposed to be concerned and feel guilt about sharing music files while people at the very top of our government are stealing elections and billions of dollars? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile:

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread iPhone
krochat;252794 Wrote: The RIAA claims ripping your own CDs is illegal! The RIAA thinks everything is illegal except itself. It sues everybody and anything to try to justify its existence. They came into my wife's business and said they were going to sue her if she did not stop playing CDs over

Re: [slim] End of the Squeezebox?

2007-12-30 Thread egd
iPhone;252857 Wrote: The RIAA thinks everything is illegal except itself. It sues everybody and anything to try to justify its existence. Like all sh1t, this too will pass and common sense will prevail in the long term with or without the them. I'm just surprised its taking so long for