[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread CardinalFang
adamslim;170056 Wrote: I think the Apple and Slim customers are very different: Apple - like convenience, not hackers, not interested in the utmost quality Slim - willing to spend a bit of effort to get the product how they like it; recognise that it is better quality but a bit more

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread CardinalFang
EnochLight;169981 Wrote: Wow - do you really think so? I mean, I respect your experience here and abroad but I wonder if AppleTV and the Squeezebox even compete for the same customers? To me, AppleTV is just Apple's version of, say, a Media Extender box for Windows MCE. If I need to

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread totoro
I love my sb3. As far as I'm concerned, my quality of life improved a lot when I got it. But I haven't been able to convince any of my friends to get one. One friend _did_ decide to build a quiet pc and stick it in his living room with a dac, but that's as close as I got. One of my friends who

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread tomjtx
totoro;170142 Wrote: I love my sb3. As far as I'm concerned, my quality of life improved a lot when I got it. But I haven't been able to convince any of my friends to get one. One friend _did_ decide to build a quiet pc and stick it in his living room with a dac, but that's as close as I

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread Jack Coates
Ah, Henny Penny, said Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king. How do you know that the sky is falling, Chicken Little? asked Henny Penny. I saw it with my eyes, I heard it with my ears, and a bit of it fell on my head, said Chicken Little. I will go with you to the

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread Jack Coates
On 1/14/07, totoro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love my sb3. As far as I'm concerned, my quality of life improved a lot when I got it. But I haven't been able to convince any of my friends to get one. One friend _did_ decide to build a quiet pc and stick it in his living room with a dac, but

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread totoro
Jack Coates;170211 Wrote: On 1/14/07, totoro totoro.2kei9n1168779301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: I love my sb3. As far as I'm concerned, my quality of life improved a lot when I got it. But I haven't been able to convince any of my friends to get one. One

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread Jack Coates
Yes, I can add and subtract, too. As you might have noticed, I was talking about my inability to get anyone else to by one. Sorry to offend, I was trying to reassure :) The thing about sales is, you need to be solving something. Someone who is happy with their ipod and its dock is lacking a

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread CardinalFang
Jack Coates;170208 Wrote: Ah, Henny Penny, said Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king. I sincerely hope the Slim team don't adopt that ostrich-like approach. Whether it turns out to be a threat or not, when the 800 pound gorilla comes stomping into your market,

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread Peter
adamslim wrote: EnochLight;169981 Wrote: I dunno, AppleTV may take *some* customers, but wipe out a chunk of their sales? I think the Apple and Slim customers are very different: I've noticed that the SqueezeBox has always been popular with the Apple community. I bought two of

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread Peter
totoro wrote: Jack Coates;170211 Wrote: On 1/14/07, totoro totoro.2kei9n1168779301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: I love my sb3. As far as I'm concerned, my quality of life improved a lot when I got it. But I haven't been able to convince any of my

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread Jack Coates
On 1/14/07, CardinalFang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;170208 Wrote: Ah, Henny Penny, said Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king. I sincerely hope the Slim team don't adopt that ostrich-like approach. Whether it turns out to be a threat or not, when the

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread CardinalFang
Jack Coates;170256 Wrote: OI'm just remembering the predictions of doom which have followed every single entrance into this market by every single large consumer electronics producer (doubled whenever it's Apple, even if the product doesn't actually compete). And yet, doom has failed to

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-14 Thread totoro
Sorry to offend, I was trying to reassure :) Thanks. Sorry I snapped at you. If you really want to sell some of these, start with the people in your circle of friends who've bought home automation products. If there aren't any, you might not have the right circle of friends for this product :)

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-13 Thread Peter
Jack Coates wrote: ... * No Exchange or Office support. No exchange support is good, the rest sucks. Exchange does IMAP and should do SyncML too. ... The thing is a toy and will only be used by SOHO folks and soccer moms; end of story. It telegraphs that for all their talk about

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-13 Thread Jonathan Miller
grammer / spelling nazi, shoed bee societies not societys On 1/12/07, jmpage2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;169638 Wrote: * No Exchange or Office support. No exchange support is good, the rest sucks. Exchange does IMAP and should do SyncML too. The thing is a

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-13 Thread SteveEast
The original was fine I believe: Society - singular Societies - plural Society's - singular possessive quoted version Societies' - plural possessive Steve. Jonathan Miller;169916 Wrote: grammer / spelling nazi, shoed bee societies not societys I fully expect Apple to give away about

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-13 Thread EnochLight
CardinalFang;169301 Wrote: The only thing that's really relevant to Slim is that AppleTV will wipe out a chunk of their sales... Wow - do you really think so? I mean, I respect your experience here and abroad but I wonder if AppleTV and the Squeezebox even compete for the same customers? To

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-13 Thread adamslim
EnochLight;169981 Wrote: I dunno, AppleTV may take *some* customers, but wipe out a chunk of their sales? I think the Apple and Slim customers are very different: Apple - like convenience, not hackers, not interested in the utmost quality Slim - willing to spend a bit of effort to get the

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-12 Thread rudholm
I'm completely done with carrier-specific firmware on any cellphone. Carriers see handsets as some sort of marketing channel to sell you overpriced crap; ringtones you have to re-buy every 6 months that cost more than the actual single, games, apps, etc. They disable bluetooth profiles so you

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-12 Thread Peter
CardinalFang wrote: CCRDude;168983 Wrote: I watched the updates on engadget yesterday getting updated and updated and updated... I assume we speak about this here? http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone Where exactly does it tell about batteries or memory extensions? Except in

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-12 Thread CardinalFang
Peter;169578 Wrote: That's totally different in Europe and probably anywhere outside the US. I just buy a phone and use it with whatever operator I like. I don't buy games and not from my operator either. Many operators lock the phones to their networks and those that don't make you pay

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-12 Thread Jack Coates
... * No Exchange or Office support. No exchange support is good, the rest sucks. Exchange does IMAP and should do SyncML too. ... The thing is a toy and will only be used by SOHO folks and soccer moms; end of story. It telegraphs that for all their talk about enterprise, Apple, Inc (no

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-12 Thread totoro
Jack Coates;169638 Wrote: * No Exchange or Office support. No exchange support is good, the rest sucks. Exchange does IMAP and should do SyncML too. The thing is a toy and will only be used by SOHO folks and soccer moms; end of story. It telegraphs that for all their

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-12 Thread jmpage2
Jack Coates;169638 Wrote: * No Exchange or Office support. No exchange support is good, the rest sucks. Exchange does IMAP and should do SyncML too. The thing is a toy and will only be used by SOHO folks and soccer moms; end of story. It telegraphs that for all their

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread Peter
Robin Bowes wrote: ModelCitizen wrote: Robin Bowes;169010 Wrote: I still can't believe you bought those bird flu protection kits at £30 a pop. :) R.I'm not sure of the relevance of that Robin but bird flu is still bubbling under and history pretty much shows that it is

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread CardinalFang
CCRDude;168983 Wrote: I watched the updates on engadget yesterday getting updated and updated and updated... I assume we speak about this here? http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone Where exactly does it tell about batteries or memory extensions? Except in dozens of

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread MelonMonkey
Wow, so much steam and blather in this thread and no one has mentioned the only thing that's relevant to Slim/Squeezebox? The web UI (or a fuure custom application once people are able to install them - this will come) would make for a fine Squeezebox controller. It's clear that Apple will sell

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread Craig, James (IT)
Wow, so much steam and blather in this thread and no one has mentioned the only thing that's relevant to Slim/Squeezebox? The web UI (or a fuure custom application once people are able to install them - this will come) would make for a fine Squeezebox controller. Ha! At last! Like I said,

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread bklaas
MelonMonkey;169291 Wrote: It's clear that Apple will sell more iPhone units in the 24 hour period of the launch day than Nokia will ever sell N800 or 770 in their lifetimes. It stands to reason if you want to make a portable UI for SS/SB then this platform will definitely have the

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread CardinalFang
MelonMonkey;169291 Wrote: Wow, so much steam and blather in this thread and no one has mentioned the only thing that's relevant to Slim/Squeezebox? steam and blather - nice. Sorry if we stopped being slim fanboys for a moment and decided to have a discussion about another music device. The

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread tomjtx
[ And to put it right back on topic.. The i doesn't appear to stand for idiot. But I suspect such a question to have come from someone acting idiotic. No, the question came from someone with a sense of humor, which you don't seem to have. -- tomjtx

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread Robin Bowes
tomjtx wrote: No, the question came from someone with a sense of humor, which you don't seem to have. sigh Alas, a quality all too conspicuous by its absence on these forums of late. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread snarlydwarf
Robin Bowes;169349 Wrote: Alas, a quality all too conspicuous by its absence on these forums of late. I dunno, I was pleasantly surprised by the traction of the wormcable discussion. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-11 Thread tomjtx
Robin Bowes;169349 Wrote: tomjtx wrote: No, the question came from someone with a sense of humor, which you don't seem to have. sigh Alas, a quality all too conspicuous by its absence on these forums of late. R. Alac, perchance the humor is proprietary:-) Tom -- tomjtx

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread jonheal
In general, I hate cell phones, and wouldn't mind too much if a law were passed allowing one to shoot annoying cell phone users on sight. I also grow weary of Mac zealots that equate Steve Jobs with Jesus Christ reach for the torches and pitchforks if anyone utters the slightest misgiving about

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread CardinalFang
Craig, James (IT);168914 Wrote: It does have wi-fi It does, but it's not possible to download media except by a connection to a Mac/PC. The WiFi seems to be solely for web browsing, although the problem with WiFi outside the home is the lack of roaming agreements between WiFi providers. It's

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread Peter
jonheal wrote: In general, I hate cell phones, and wouldn't mind too much if a law were passed allowing one to shoot annoying cell phone users on sight. I also grow weary of Mac zealots that equate Steve Jobs with Jesus Christ reach for the torches and pitchforks if anyone utters the slightest

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread CCRDude
CardinalFang;168945 Wrote: It does, but it's not possible to download media except by a connection to a Mac/PC. The WiFi seems to be solely for web browsing, although the problem with WiFi outside the home is the lack of roaming agreements between WiFi providers. Widgets (as shown)

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread tomjtx
According to Wired Magazine the battery is NOT user replaceable. That alone is reason enough for me to not buy it. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread:

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread jonheal
Peter;168948 Wrote: jonheal wrote: In general, I hate cell phones, and wouldn't mind too much if a law were passed allowing one to shoot annoying cell phone users on sight. I also grow weary of Mac zealots that equate Steve Jobs with Jesus Christ reach for the torches and pitchforks

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread CardinalFang
CCRDude;168956 Wrote: Widgets (as shown) obviously need the ability to communicate online, how else could the Weather app show its data? And the Google Maps app... would you call that web browsing? Looked like a dedicated app. And then, it's MacOSX. I specifically said media, as in music,

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread CCRDude
CardinalFang;168971 Wrote: Time magazine, engadget, gizmodo I watched the updates on engadget yesterday getting updated and updated and updated... I assume we speak about this here? http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone Where exactly does it tell about batteries or memory

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread ModelCitizen
tomjtx;168909 Wrote: no user replacable battery If this is true (and I realise it's open to question) it's criminal considering the unbelievably and extremely crap battery Apple put in the third generation iPod. 500 UK Pounds for a music player that played good quality mp3s for only two hours

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread Robin Bowes
ModelCitizen wrote: tomjtx;168909 Wrote: no user replacable battery If this is true (and I realise it's open to question) it's criminal considering the unbelievably and extremely crap battery Apple put in the third generation iPod. 500 UK Pounds for a music player that played good quality

[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread ModelCitizen
Robin Bowes;169010 Wrote: I still can't believe you bought those bird flu protection kits at £30 a pop. :) R.I'm not sure of the relevance of that Robin but bird flu is still bubbling under and history pretty much shows that it is inevitable that a pandemic will occur.. so £30 for some

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread Robin Bowes
ModelCitizen wrote: Robin Bowes;169010 Wrote: I still can't believe you bought those bird flu protection kits at £30 a pop. :) R.I'm not sure of the relevance of that Robin but bird flu is still bubbling under and history pretty much shows that it is inevitable that a pandemic will occur..

Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?

2007-01-10 Thread Jacob Potter
On 1/10/07, ModelCitizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is true (and I realise it's open to question) it's criminal considering the unbelievably and extremely crap battery Apple put in the third generation iPod. 500 UK Pounds for a music player that played good quality mp3s for only two hours