mkozlows wrote:
But apparently other people don't care, and they listen to playlists
instead of albums, and it turns out that maybe different programs are
good for different styles of usage.
different people have different needs? But, but, doesn't everyone know
that I know what's right
goofygrin wrote:
radish Wrote:
That would be a disaster. You need to read up on biodiversity and how it
relates to internet security.
You're worried about a single hack taking down everything (coming from
the banking industry, I respect that). But what's worse? A single
point of failure
This might be a really daft question (I know very little about the Roku)
but why is someone with a Roku who obviously dislikes SlimServer, not
using the Roku software instead of something third party, unsupported
(and apparently inferior) for his device?
Also, am I wrong in thinking that the
goofygrin Wrote:
(Re. Firefox): Everything else (including it's inability to render
websites) isn't worth my time.
The fault is with the websites, not Firefox. You tell us that you're a
software engineer, so you should know this. You seem to be condoning
websites which use IE-specific features
Reading through these posts, it was mentioned that Slim should take a
look at meebo.com for an example of floating DIV usage.
I popped over there for a look and what do I get get. A page requesting
that I create a user id. 4 username/password login dialogs for IM
clients.
Hmmm, so what exactly
I agree that a more dynamic ui is needed, and wouldn't be suprised if
that is being worked on by the slim developers.
goofygrin seems to have good ideas about when is needed and how to go
about it, so why not take a hack at the slimserver web ui, gg? Maybe
if you create something good, the
Fifer Wrote:
This might be a really daft question (I know very little about the Roku)
but why is someone with a Roku who obviously dislikes SlimServer, not
using the Roku software instead of something third party, unsupported
(and apparently inferior) for his device?
Also, am I wrong in
CardinalFang Wrote:
Well how about posting the URLs of some of the sites you've built so
that we can judge your view of good UI design and affordance?
Most of my work is internal, so I can't do this... but you're right, I
preach, but can't back any of it up...
I think you'll find that
oreillymj Wrote:
Reading through these posts, it was mentioned that Slim should take a
look at meebo.com for an example of floating DIV usage.
I popped over there for a look and what do I get get. A page requesting
that I create a user id. 4 username/password login dialogs for IM
clients.
Pale Blue Ego Wrote:
I agree that a more dynamic ui is needed, and wouldn't be suprised if
that is being worked on by the slim developers.
goofygrin seems to have good ideas about when is needed and how to go
about it, so why not take a hack at the slimserver web ui, gg? Maybe
if you
goofygrin wrote:
Holy war territory, but if IE didn't have the security holes (not that
FF and all the others are really secure) and wasn't made by microsoft,
then people would use the heck out of it. Personally, I hate FireFox
and all the other wanna be browsers. Why can't an app just do
radish Wrote:
Or just switch off the click (Control Panel/Sounds).
As for the whole anti-Firefox rant, everyone's entitled to their own
opinion, but that's a pretty unique one in my experience. As someone
with a little knowledge in the area (up until recently I was a senior
developer of
goofygrin Wrote:
I'm all about my wife being able to use it :) Which means I
a) don't have to show her how to use it
b) don't have to constantly tinker when it doesn't work (this is why I
got rid of my htpc)
c) doesn't cost an arm and a leg :)
Yes, me too, although I don't mind paying
Just as a followup -- I've given up on the Roku. I've spent too much
time with it already. I think that Sean hit the nail on the head when
he said that the buffer and TCP/IP stack are probably the issue (plus
it's having to emulate another device, which can't be a good thing
LOL).
Maybe if I
goofygrin Wrote:
This is actually just bad programming. A simple css change would solve
the issue and wouldn't force a particular browser on the users (for a
software that runs on 3-4 platforms, this seems quite interesting).
Hey Goof,
You know it's an open source server. Why don't you
kolding Wrote:
Hey Goof,
You know it's an open source server. Why don't you make the change and
submit it? I know, when you buy a product, you want it to work, but the
cool thing about SlimServer is that you can help improve it. Heck, if
you make some important or big enough
Never underestimate the value of being able to have people tell you that
your work sucks, and that they could do so much better if only they were
desperate and had nothing better to do.
that's priceless.
--
kdf
kdf's
Where's the tongue in cheek emoticon when you need it.
I assume that the main developers of slimserver are paid by
SlimDevices...
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goofygrin
goofygrin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4100
goofygrin Wrote:
I assume that the main developers of slimserver are paid by
SlimDevices...
I don't know about 'main', since that implies doing line counts and
such.
But certainly a huge chunk of code has come from people like kdf...
note his 'title' on the board.
(And this doesn't even get
This is a familiar thread. Someone rants about the SlimServer UI, and
it turns into a religious war about everything EXCEPT the UI.
I've purchased 5 Squeezeboxes, some as gifts. I may buy more, because
they sound fantastic, are easy to use, and are driven by incredibly
powerful server software
my only beef with Slim Server is speed. I find building playlists
very slow. But I guess these things will eventually get fixed.
But if you use a different program to build your playlists, this is no
problem at all.
--
crooner
Squeezebox 3
Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC
Pioneer SX-1980
Mike New Wrote:
That said, the SlimServer UI is really bad. I buy SBs in spite of it.
Just try changing the order of a song at the bottom of a long playlist
sometime and you'll get the picture. Heck, just try to browse through
a long playlist before the screen auto-refreshes you back to
radish Wrote:
Or if you just don't use playlists. There are some of us out here you
know :)
I hear ya. I have found that the new music feature by album is the
one I use most. I increased the number of songs to 2000, meaning that
it will list all my recent FLAC rips for quick access. Pretty
Bill Burns Wrote:
Umm, Firefox is a direct descendant, via Mozilla, of the Netscape
browser, which came *long* before Internet Explorer. IE is the
wannabe.
*ahem* Mosaic *ahem*
Wait, I thought this thread was about the piss poor performance of the
Roku devices? FWIW, I do still own
goofygrin Wrote:
Is there anything else I'm missing or can try?
I hate to be the one to say it, but
Roku support probably?
25% signal strength is pretty bad.
Add in that Roku only supports 802.11b and there's your problem.
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snarlydwarf
Slimserver isn't supported by Roku... so I posted here and on their
forum.
It's not 25% signal... it's their signal quality reading.
I think it might be the 802.11b issue... but I'm still playing with
it.
I just can't justify $250 for a squeezebox. I'll add another network
drop if I have to.
the problem is also that the m500 is using a small buffer and has a
questionable TCP/IP stack. Sorry, it is just not likely to do what you
need.
I'd suggest trying out the Squeezebox3 with the 30-day return policy in
mind. If you have any modest amount of time and/or money invested in
your music
Sean you must not be married :)
My wife sees $100 vs. $300 and the conversation ends. Period. If I'm
going to spend $300 per room, I'm going to look much closer at the
Sonos because their remote is way better and wife friendly. Their 40k
song limit + some other things hold me back.
goofygrin Wrote:
Sean you must not be married :)
heh - why do you think I'm posting here 24hrs a day?
WRT to the user interface, I forgot to mention: to get a better idea of
what Squeezebox is like, you might want to try out SoftSqueeze. You'll
see the high-res display, fast response time,
seanadams Wrote:
heh - why do you think I'm posting here 24hrs a day?
:D (I just snuck upstairs before bed -- she'll be calling my phone
soon!)
WRT to the user interface, I forgot to mention: to get a better idea of
what Squeezebox is like, you might want to try out SoftSqueeze. You'll
see
goofygrin Wrote:
It's the server web software. It's painful. It feels like it was
written in 2003 or something. The meta refreshes drive me nuts in IE
with the clicking.
Boy, mileage really does vary. I love SlimServer's UI, and think that
not only is it a great Web app, but that it's
FWIW, I had a Roku M1000 for a short time (about a week). After picking
up the Squeezeobx and seeing a HUGE performance difference I
IMMEDIATELY repackaged the Roku and returned it. There is just no
comparing them. If you want to justify the $250 then buy two without
wireless and it's only
mkozlows Wrote:
Boy, mileage really does vary. I love SlimServer's UI, and think that
not only is it a great Web app, but that it's also the best media
player I've used.
(As for the IE clicking, the solution to that is to use Firefox for
SlimServer.)
Holy war territory, but if IE didn't
I don't want to have to add network drops if I can help it (in some
places I can't add them), so I'm stuck at the $250 per (assuming the
$100 off two). Now if I could get the $100 off two of the sb2's...
I realize the component costs are higher. When I was trying to
determine if I could
Frankly, if you think that slimserver's web ui is a great ui, then you
need to get out a little
Thanks for the gratuitous insult. Really classes up the conversation.
- font sizes are locked down and are very small. Not all of us have
20/15 vision :)
Font sizes are only locked down if
and I rarely use the web interface at all...
that's why i have a remote...
(and no pc at all in the bedroom where one sb is...)
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snarlydwarf
snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179
Me neither. I do have a laptop in my bedroom but I turn it off when I
listen to music.
That's the real beauty of the Squeezebox.
I briefly owned the Roku and I returned it immediately. Inferior in
every way...
snarlydwarf Wrote:
and I rarely use the web interface at all...
that's why i
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