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I am generally anti-DRM. That said, I'm also a 9 year audible subscriber
and an avid audio book listener (both from Audible and my local library)
and I think there are two sides to the story.
First I want to point out that audio books are not quite the same as
music. This is because the primary
On the other hand you (as a publisher) could just calculate each copy of
an audio book just like a rented one. I also own hundreds if audio books
and I can safely say that I rarely listen to one more than once.
And it's not as if the data on my harddisc does impose any
manufacturing costs on them
I have no problem with DRM if I am *knowingly* renting it, as in your
library scenerio (a great idea BTW).
Just like my Napster account, I have no problem with DRM when I am
*knowingly* renting their content via streaming from their server.
But if I *buy* it, then I want to own it and have
garym;504663 Wrote:
I agree with jimbo's comments in general, but of course we're talking
about audio books here, not music. I don't want DRM product either, but
we also don't need lossless audio books. Very low bitrates are
transparent when it comes to the spoken word.
I completely agree
toby10;504684 Wrote:
Yup, you sure can. Same with iTunes and others (burn to CD).
You just keep jumpin' through those hoops. ;)
tailwag.dog :)
It's absolutely a pain and it is great that iTunes went largely
DRM-free. I hope DRM becomes obsolete as well. The point was that you
I'm not a fan of Audible, and listen to all my audiobooks in DRM free
MP3's.
I really think having the ability to listen to audiobooks would be a
great enhancement. I did raise a request for a UI modification for
audiobooks:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64228
Due to forum problems half of last post where snipped of:
I meant to add that, the old players memory are quite full and DRM is
usually implemented in the player firmware, otherwise it would be no DRM
? the stream could be hijacked by any technically skilled person.
So it's futile to ask for
toby10;504319 Wrote:
Absolutely agree and very unlikely.
But then, I'm sure the many people buying from Yahoo Music thought the
same thing about the safety of buying from Yahoo, a multi-billion
dollar operation still in business and still growing. ;)
The point is, if it's DRM'd then you
Hi there
DRM and Proprietary formats are BAD - you are foever locked in. I'm
against adding this format.
Squeezebox is great in playing FLAC and if you are a real audiophile
you can get VERY HIGH QUALITY DRM FREE stuff from here for excample (up
to a whopping 24 bit 192 khZ BTW -- far far in
jimbo45;504632 Wrote:
Hi there
DRM and Proprietary formats are BAD - you are forever locked in. I'm
against adding this format.
Squeezebox is great in playing FLAC and if you are a real audiophile
you can get VERY HIGH QUALITY DRM FREE stuff from here for example (up
to a whopping 24
jdoering;504519 Wrote:
Sort of, sort of not for Audible. As others have mentioned they do allow
conversion to CD (and third-party products can use that functionality to
convert to other digital formats at very high speed with no actual CDs
involved). So they don't force you to stay locked in
I'd be afraid to be a soldier in Jimbo's army, sounds just as strict and
inflexible as the DRM filetypes he rails against.
All praise FLAC and all, but I own not one single FLAC file, cant say I
have any plans in motion to ever own em. I never got my squeezebox to
jump on board with it either,
I'd like the app. I think consumer choice is a good thing and I don't
think Audiobook licensing issues are Logitech's fight. Of course
development cost-wise and licensing-wise this may or may not be
strategic for Logitech.
-Jeff
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jdoering;504079 Wrote:
I'd like the app. I think consumer choice is a good thing and I don't
think Audiobook licensing issues are Logitech's fight. Of course
development cost-wise and licensing-wise this may or may not be
strategic for Logitech.
Add device capabilities into that. You
robchel;504029 Wrote:
..
I also wish to go on record as being against shooting the bears... and
Audible ;) - had no idea animals ran it!
rc
Ha! :)
DRM = 0
Bears = 2
I'm not against Audible or their service and it would be great if
Logitech offered it (though I wouldn't use it).
Audible is now owned by Amazon so going out of business I suspect is not
on the near horizon and with my own level of customer satisfaction I
suspect their customer base has grown since its early days so as of now
is a healthy viable business, but 15-years from now..who knows.
Just for clarity:
FYI Audible is AAC content so yes, it would only be possible on
Radio/Touch/future stuff.
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Moozh;504298 Wrote:
Audible is now owned by Amazon so going out of business I suspect is not
on the near horizon and with my own level of customer satisfaction I
suspect their customer base has grown since its early days so as of now
is a healthy viable business, but 15-years from now..who
Andy I'm way out of my depth here - but the Audible web site allows
members to stream content directly from their web page library - no
downloads invovled. Might this offer a way to access content that's not
in the ACC format?
rc
andyg;504299 Wrote:
FYI Audible is AAC content so yes, it would
robchel;504438 Wrote:
Andy I'm way out of my depth here - but the Audible web site allows
members to stream content directly from their web page library - no
downloads invovled. Might this offer a way to access content that's not
in the ACC format?
rc
Yeah they do have this feature but
There must be some sort of telepathy because I just logged
on/re-registered after a long absence to start a thread.
I wouldn't know where to start myself -but are there any plug-in
developers out there who would be wiling to pick this up.
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Well I just tossed my hat into the ring and voted. As for the
sceptics..I dunno, I dont think I should wait until audible (amazon)
feels my wrath, and scrap the DRM components off the file format and
maybe then I can listen to my files on a sqeezebox. I think audiobooks
will be more of harder nut
Moozh;503719 Wrote:
Well I just tossed my hat into the ring and voted. As for the
sceptics..I dunno, I dont think I should wait until audible (amazon)
feels my wrath, and scrap the DRM components off the file format and
maybe then I can listen to my files on a sqeezebox. I think audiobooks
Like others I've been collecting digital books for decades - and simply
desire to enjoy access to my elibrary via MySN.com. I don't see this as
incompatible with trying to change DRM and pricing, as those issues are
best addressed through individual purchasing decisions. The alternative
is a bit
robchel;503725 Wrote:
... I don't see this as incompatible with trying to change DRM
and pricing, as those issues are best addressed through individual
purchasing decisions. The alternative is a bit like telling folks to
stop listening to all the DRM music files they've
toby10;503749 Wrote:
No, not at all, it's folks telling you not to make the same mistake
TWICE! :)
In fact, it's the DRM telling you stop listening to your DRM music on
any platform not approved by the DRM rights holder (which is NOT you).
Supporting *any* institution that employs DRM
Squeezebox seems flexible and open enough and popular enough with the
demographic that seems predisposed to tinkering that I would suspect
someone in the community has the where-withall to create a soloution to
various solutions...(that BBCi player for example)
Unlike BBCiPlayer Audible
robchel;503725 Wrote:
Like others I've been collecting digital books for decades - and simply
desire to enjoy access to my elibrary via MySN.com. I don't see this as
incompatible with trying to change DRM and pricing, as those issues are
best addressed through individual purchasing
snarlydwarf;503857 Wrote:
What DRM'd audio content does a Squeezebox play?
Rhapsody.
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pippin;503883 Wrote:
Rhapsody.
And oddly it's the most unreliable aspect of the Squeezebox experience,
imho. Whether this is DRM related or not, I don't know. Could be that
Rhapsody's service is just plain shoddy. (Sorry, didn't mean to hijack
the thread.)
I agree Audible support would be
Download Anderson's book Free... here - no Audible involved:
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/mf_freer
Anderson addresses different meanings attributed to the term free -
his ideas are thought provoking and highly debatable.
With this I conclude my free [as in non paying] work
It seems that DRM is largely about locking customers into a proprietary
relationship - like a wedding. Yeah OK, most of them anyway. You go to
the alter willingly and agree to take the bitter with the sweet. So far
the Audible relationship has avoided serious conflicts and proved
satisfactory...
robchel;504029 Wrote:
It seems that DRM is largely about locking customers into a proprietary
relationship - like a wedding. Yeah OK, most of them anyway. You go to
the alter willingly and agree to take the bitter with the sweet. So far
the Audible relationship has avoided serious conflicts
Has anyone actually paying for DRM content thought about the future ?
Can you or your loved ones listen to these files in +30 years ?
DRM + proprietary formats contribute to the digital dark age we will
face.
This information loss is a massive problem for human culture.
Information must be in
I dont believe one exists but I sure would be great if the squeezebox
would be able to play audible.com files.
I'm somewhat stuck in the middle of a sonos unit and my squeezebox
duet, both work perfectly but the present shortcomings on them are..
SONOS: missing-
slacker
di.fm
mediafly
sky.fm
If you end up opening an enhancement request, please post a link here
-- I'd vote for it.
Mitch
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Moozh
moozh.44dyfb1262812...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
I dont believe one exists but I sure would be great if the squeezebox
would be able to play
I'm against it.
Publishers like audible have to learn that DRM sucks like the record
companies learned it.
Then the problem immediately goes away.
Buy somewhere else.
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Add my support for an Audible.com APP - it would offer a wonderful
benefit to those with an Audible library.
Rob
Moozh;503580 Wrote:
I dont believe one exists but I sure would be great if the squeezebox
would be able to play audible.com files.
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pippin;503618 Wrote:
I'm against it.
Publishers like audible have to learn that DRM sucks like the record
companies learned it.
Then the problem immediately goes away.
Buy somewhere else.
Same view.
Dave
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