Posted a new thread about this, but saw this now and would like to add
my issue.
Mine has been working all the way until I changed encryption on my
wireless router. Every now and then it looses connection and I actually
have to reinstall it to make it work.
First I thought it was when turning
radish;365171 Wrote:
SBC doesn't roam between APs, so that could easily cause confusion.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6085
I think this is the issue. Also, if you're using the same SSID on both
AP's you can go to network settings on the Controller and look at the
BSSID, that
radish;365061 Wrote:
1. They can help in some cases, actually hinder in others. If it were
me, I'd put another AP on the other side of the house and run powerline
(or real ethernet if possible) between them. That's what I do for
upstairs and downstairs in my house.
How well does this work
imho, static IPs are much better when it comes to slim stuff.
why they make it so hard to use them if you want to, only they can
answer. but in my exp, static IPs work better with my SB2.
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ajkidle;365066 Wrote:
How well does this work for you? Do you have a Controller, and can you
connect through both access points without issue?
It works fine. I have a number of controllers and other devices
connecting through the APs, although I don't try roaming between them
(it doesn't
I debated starting a new thread for this, but I'll stick with this one
and try not to add to the clutter.
Two things that are not ready for primetime: wireless networking and
the Controller. Maybe that's overstating things a bit, but I'm
frustrated. And let me also state that I love my duet.
Well, so far the problem appears to have been finally mitigated with the
last release. =)
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Yup, did that the night I last posted...so far so good. Once when it
was out of the cradle it made me wait 30 seconds or so before becoming
usable again, but that is far better than waiting and then still having
to do a power cycle. Will keep using it and will report back again
later. =)
Yup, icon turns blue.
Version 7.2 r2873 Aug 22, 2008.
I think I saw elsewhere tonight that there is a new version of
Squeezecenter (presumably maybe with controller firmware too). I'll go
seek that out and read again the bug link you reference. THanks.
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I am having the same problems with my Squeezebox Controller. It loses
network connection quite often.
My old setup was a Linksys WRT54G access point newest firmware.
My new setup is a DLINK DIR-825 router/AP hardware A1, firmware 1.00
The controller has been at three different revisions,
kingrys;354989 Wrote:
What sort of tests would tech support like me to do to help them figure
out how the heck to remedy this situation!?!?
You would need to contact tech support to answer this question, the
forums are not technical support.
When you say the Controller drops out, do you
Ross L;340761 Wrote:
Just wanted to post letting everyone know this is a very high priority
for us in QA. Thanks everyone for the great details.
Hmm, let's think, it was planned to 7.2.1,
I just received am message that the roadmap for now (being delayed) is
7.3
Why?
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7.2.1 is due within a week or so, 7.3 isn't but a few weeks behind.
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westland315;341378 Wrote:
the controller, however, will drop from the network after some time.
always. keep using it and it will be ok, leave it unused and after a
while it will have to be turned off and on again to rejoin the party.
Same here. After the controller is unused for a
pablolie;341074 Wrote:
the controller, however, will drop from the network after some time.
always. keep using it and it will be ok, leave it unused and after a
while it will have to be turned off and on again to rejoin the party.
QUOTE]
Same here. After the controller is unused for
pablolie;341074 Wrote:
the controller, however, will drop from the network after some time.
always. keep using it and it will be ok, leave it unused and after a
while it will have to be turned off and on again to rejoin the party.
Good point.
When i turn off the duet (both SBC and SBR) and
Hi Ross,
could you also give to ability to give the receiver and controller a
static IP a high priority - I know there is a 3. party plugin but
it's not easy to do - you need perl runtime and other stuff. And I
don't have access/password for my router. I guees that I might solve
the problem for
Ross L;340764 Wrote:
I also wanted to suggest if anyone is willing, please update our router
status wiki page with problems you see with your specific routers or
wireless access points.
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus
it is not very update friendly in that table
pablolie;341074 Wrote:
it is not very update friendly in that table format :-)
Good point. I've added instructions which I think should help to the
RouterStatus wiki entry.
Regarding the WRT54GX4 we don't have this particular router here in
house but we have the GX2, I'll try to find time
We're trying to reproduce this here in the QA lab, so far I still
haven't seen it. I'm using a Linksys WRT610N but I think its time to
try another.
Just wanted to post letting everyone know this is a very high priority
for us in QA. Thanks everyone for the great details.
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Ross
i use a static IP for my SB, and i use a reserved dhcp IP for my SBC,
and i have had occassional issues with the sbc as i've mentioned b4 i
think.
but i am posting b/c why not, in the meantime, give the SBC a feature
to restart the wireless connection from scratch, like the repair
function in
I also wanted to suggest if anyone is willing, please update our router
status wiki page with problems you see with your specific routers or
wireless access points.
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus
I'm still in the process of adding details from all the routers and
access
Henk51;338817 Wrote:
Yes, let's hope it's bright white light, in SC 7.2.1.
Let us hope.
Question: how does one assign static IP addresses to the Duet
components (SBR and SBC)? I have doen that with the SB3, but not with
the Duet, which doesn't seem to offer that option during setup, rather
Well, i didn't, but in my router i have the option to preserve static
IP-adresses to the devices (PC,Nas, and Duet SBR/SBC).
In general speaking, Static DHCP.
The Router is Dir-655 D-Link.
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i was having similar issues. I have taken the box the squuezecenter is
on, the SB, and the SBR off dhcp. My DHCP wsas set in the range
192.168.1.2 to 100. I have set up the 3 on 101,102,and 103.
everything has worked out well. it is definately worth a try.
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I've received a mail from Slimdevices
and they could reproduce the Blue icon issue
on the Duet Controller after some time (eq. standby or after a few
days).
They classified it as a major bug and we can only hope
that they could resolve this shortly in the FW,
could/should be solved in SC 7.2.1 !
Mushroom_3;338800 Wrote:
At last - light at the end of the tunnel?
Yes, let's hope it's bright white light, in SC 7.2.1.
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Gentoo user here; I'm having the same problems as everyone else.
What I've noted is this: my controller almost never loses the
connection, it just can't find the SB receiver to interface with
(because it's using an incorrect IP). When the SBR does this, it gets
the typical blue light on the
As long as this thread i have also troubles with the Duet Controller.
I've opened a Bug-tracker and sending LOG's to the Bug-tracker, long
conversations, and try about every new beta jive firmware for the
controller
and the story goes on.
About every 1-2 days i must remove the battery because it
Just wanted to let you know, that I am experiencing the same problems
already mentioned here before, but with some other hardware on the
network/computer side:
I have to different networks - one contains an AVM Fritzbox 3170
(Firmware 49.04.57) running in 802.11b/g compatible mode with a WPA 2
Just wanted to let you know, that I am experiencing the same problems
already mentioned here before, but with some other hardware on the
network/computer side:
I have to different networks - one contains an AVM Fritzbox 3170
(Firmware 49.04.57) running in 802.11b/g compatible mode with a WPA2
I just wanted to add my own experience with this very real problem.
First, I had my network with only MAC address filtering. Squeezebox
Duet worked fine and I had none of the setup problems others had noted
in this and other threads.
Then I decided to make a secure network and went for WAP2.
I also tried disableing the auto-refresh option in Squeezecenter. And
since disabling it, I never had a blue icon anymore!
I have disabled it for three days now and everything works as a charm.
After updating the library the blue icon shows up again!
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I have a similar situation to Stevan in that the controller will lose
connection to the SC server overnight whilst in the cradle and not
reconnect without restarting the controller.
The wireless power saving makes no difference.
However, I am running SC on a QNAP TS-209 Pro set up to do a scan
I also have problems with the SBC not connecting to Squeezecenter unless
I remove the battery or reset it by pressing the 'Home' button for
several seconds.
There were numerous discussions about Wireless Power Save not being
correctly implemented in some WiFi Acces Points. This being said, there
Letten;326418 Wrote:
Hi Brian,
I've had lot's of connection problems and router-crashes and after a
lot of experimenting I have come to the conclusion that my Vista Laptop
(that I bought to run SC) was the main source of my problems.
I thought my wireless was ok, and I had no problems
I wish I'd seen this thread before buying my Duet on Saturday!
I think I have exactly the same issues as described here... too many
pages of problems to read all the comments yet.
The Duet takes a long time to connect to both my SB3 SqueezeCentre.
Once it does it loose's connection shortly
What are you using for running Squeezecenter?
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markushk;326216 Wrote:
I wish I'd seen this thread before buying my Duet on Saturday!
I think I have exactly the same issues as described here... too many
pages of problems to read all the comments yet.
The Duet takes a long time to connect to both my SB3 SqueezeCentre.
Once it does it
Hi Brian,
I've had lot's of connection problems and router-crashes and after a
lot of experimenting I have come to the conclusion that my Vista Laptop
(that I bought to run SC) was the main source of my problems.
I thought my wireless was ok, and I had no problems using the Vista
laptop for
JJD;324795 Wrote:
I have been trying to set up my squeezebox Duet for several days.
I keep losing the connection to my SB (Controller gives all the
messages you can read in this Thread. Sometimes I get a connection but
that lasts for a few minutes. If I try to play songs during that time I
I have been trying to set up my squeezebox Duet for several days.
I keep losing the connection to my SB (Controller gives all the
messages you can read in this Thread. Sometimes I get a connection but
that lasts for a few minutes. If I try to play songs during that time I
get the blinking for a
Same problems here, i really cant understand how the remote loses the
connection with the box even if is in ad hoc connection and i am in the
same room.
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Changed to WEP with 128bit, but I doubt this had any real consequence
because my SB is hardwired and the remote is connecting via the SB.
However, I'm definitely operating better. The switch to something other
than 192.168.1.1 for the router IP address and IP range seemed to have
to single
Hi,
I got rid of my connection problems by changing WPA-PSK (TKIP) security
to WEP 128 bit and MAC-filtering. The problem seemed to be
reauthentication, during which the connection was lost.
I'm using a ZyXEL P-660HW router, and my reauthentication timer was set
to 3600 seconds (1 hour). SC is
OK, I spoke too soon. This morning when I turned my computer on I was
hoping the blue light would turn white on the SB. No. SqueezeCenter was
up and running. But the SB simply would not hook in. I power cycled the
router and boom. White light. Everything is fine. However, the same
host issue is
I'm having the same connection problems between the router and the
controller as many have reported here. My set-up is a Linksys WRT54G
v5 router with WPA (TKIP) encryption and latest firmware (1.02.5). The
router is the DHCP server and assigns all IP addresses. I am running SC
7.0.1-19705 on
my friend has your router, v8.
his computer, with vista (and maybe his xp ones too i'll ask) when
coming off of hibernate for sure, and maybe sleep, don't reconnect to
the internet.
i've been trying to solve the issue for him without much luck.
i wonder if it is some kind of inactivity / sleep
Since this thread regarding network flakiness is the highest in this
forum, only second to the one announcing the duet release, one would
think that slim should be taking this very seriously.
I'm now starting to add other annoying issues to the list. Like, one
songs plays while another shows up
I'm also having a terrible time with the Controller's network
connectivity. Right now I've got it sitting a few feet away from the
wireless router, and everything else in the house (including this
laptop, as I type, about 200ft away) works fine.
But pinging the Controller shows terrible network
This is an old tip.
My romote can operate apporx 3-4 hours in this mode.
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HP T5700 Thin Client running FreeNAS + SqueezeCenter 7.0.1
Synology DS-101j / Samsung SpinPoint T133 HD400LD 400 GB - now with 92
mm fan
TViX HD M-4000PA / Samsung SpinPoint T133 HD400LD 400 GB
Sony HX750 HDD
PeterDB;302033 Wrote:
What is a lot of battery power? How much time can you now use the
remote without having to charge again?
I also get around 3-4 hours worth with WPS off - had hoped for more.
However I cannot say how much of a difference this setting does because
the controller never
pablolie;301065 Wrote:
the controller loses connectivity every few minutes
You may want to look at this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190
The controller went from useless to really-good just by turning off
Wireless Power Save.
It uses a lot of battery power but I
zzap;301971 Wrote:
You may want to look at this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190
The controller went from useless to really-good just by turning off
Wireless Power Save.
It uses a lot of battery power but I don't have connection problems
anymore.
that is an
zzap;301971 Wrote:
You may want to look at this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190
The controller went from useless to really-good just by turning off
Wireless Power Save.
It uses a lot of battery power but I don't have connection problems
anymore.
What is a
see thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=301063#post301063
i bought the duet a few days ago, installed it, and trouble set in
where previously the SB3 had left such great impressions that i own 3
of them.
the SBR works great and sounds great (i use the optical IF to feed an
for the record i have found the Duet so unusable that i have
decommissioned it in its original intended place of deployment. i have
set up a SB3 instead. the Duet will either get returned or will sit it
out in an area of very occasional use, waiting for firmware and
software to come up to par.
Ben Sandee;301091 Wrote:
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:10 PM, pablolie
pablolie.39a22z1210562101 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com
wrote:
unlike the SB3, for which i am an effective
evangelist.
If you evangelize anything like you rant then I doubt you are an
effective
I have solved my problem and the Duet now works!!
I thought I'd follow up and post my solution to my whole problem for
completeness;
Robin D;292357 Wrote:
- Loss of connection to wireless network
- Loss of conection to music source (blue symbol)
- Jittering/stuttering of streamed music
Robin D;299186 Wrote:
- Not clear in the instructions - I needed to do a factory reset, with
the ethernet cable inserted BEFORE resettingn the controller. The
Ethernet/Hybrid options were then available
Robin
Why was that nessesary ? Did you get an replacement for both receiver
an
I had the whole set replaced. I read somewhere (on the forum) that if
the Reciever is not re-set first, the Controller does not recognise
fully and the options are limited (my interpretation from memory).
As long as the Controller isn't failing to update through the wireless
network, don't worry
scottwmackey;297043 Wrote:
That's what I am using and it is totally hosed. Whenever I am connected
to SqueezeCenter, my Squeezebox will completely freeze within minutes.
It work flawless, however, through SqueezeNetwork. What did you do to
fix whatever your problem was?
SqueezeCenter: 7.0.1
I just wanted to let you know how my connection problem was resolved. I
used to have a problem choosing music source from the controller. The
screen would show the name of my computer running SqueezeCenter (SC) as
well as SqueezeNetwork (SN), but trying to select SC only showed the
connecting
JimC;291466 Wrote:
Having gone through lots of problems like this--most recently with an
utterly awful experience with a 2wire residential gateway I got as part
of my ATT U-verse service--I know that it can be frustrating.-= Jim
That's what I am using and it is totally hosed. Whenever I am
Not a comment on PeterDB's experience just a general on on antenna
length. Small doesn't necessarily mean bad, increasing the length could
actually make the signal worse.
Antenna length is determined by wavelength and the circuitry it is
connected to. Changing its length changes the balance
Hi,
I have been through the same as most here, i.e. loose connective or
just poor reception in general. I have been running the latest nightly
builds for quite some time, but it never really seems to get that much
better.
As any other wireless device in our household has not issues, I thought
mherger;295342 Wrote:
7.01 to fool around with my Duet. Biding time until the bugs get
ironed
out.
Bugs which have been reported and not fixed?
Michael
see also:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40091
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Phil Leigh;295239 Wrote:
why on earth would you want to run 2 instances of SC?
I have my original SC on my windows file server which has a couple
TB of hard disk space and approx. 75K songs (flac,wav,mp3). The 2nd SC
is a beta box, which is a small fanless ITX unit running SlimNAS. I
have
sfraser;295440 Wrote:
I have my original SC on my windows file server which has a couple TB
of hard disk space and approx. 75K songs (flac,wav,mp3). The 2nd SC is a
beta box, which is a small fanless ITX unit running SlimNAS. I have
been having a few issues with the SlimNAS ITX SC
Phil Leigh;295540 Wrote:
No - sorry I wasn't being clear...I can see why you would have 2
installations and occasionally switch between them...I meant why would
you have 2 active at the same time!
Also, whilst not breaking any rules, I'm sure you can see why that
might cause the players to
Guys, found a little bug in SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 - 18932. Nothing major,
and you may already be aware of it. I have two SC in my home network.
One is running an older version of SC. If i try to point an SB from one
SC to another SC from the controller, the controller will get caught
up in a
why on earth would you want to run 2 instances of SC?
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann
JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC
V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm
Phil Leigh;295239 Wrote:
why on earth would you want to run 2 instances of SC?
Maybe for the same reasons I do (I run 6.5 on one rig and 7.01 on
another). 7.01 isn't ripe yet, plus all of my favorite plugins haven't
been re-written for 7 yet... So I keep 6.5 for the main system and run
7.01 to
7.01 to fool around with my Duet. Biding time until the bugs get ironed
out.
Bugs which have been reported and not fixed?
Michael
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Yannzola;290315 Wrote:
Looks like I'm suffering from similar symptoms. Receiver connects to
Slimserver 7.01 without a hitch, Controller cannot connect reliably.
Both are seeing 75-80% signal strength from my Linksys WRT54G router.
Running on Vista Home edition.
As of SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 -
Yannzola;294716 Wrote:
As of SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 - 18932 @ Sat Apr 19 cp1252 (and several
Controller updates since) things are looking up! So far I'm managing to
connect to SC from my controller consistently, with only a minor amount
of lag. Hurrah!
I note, however, that some of the
Rolo;294784 Wrote:
I note, however, that some of the problems that people, like myself, are
having (I assume) won't be helped by fixes made in SC because we're not
using SC.
Pardon my ignorance... but how can you serve any sort of music without
running SC?
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Yannzola;294807 Wrote:
Pardon my ignorance... but how can you serve any sort of music without
running SC (SqueezeCenter)?
At the moment, I don't have a computer hooked up to my wireless
network. I'm just streaming from Pandora and Internet radio feeds
through Squeeze Network.
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Rolo;294853 Wrote:
At the moment, I don't have a computer hooked up to my wireless network.
I'm just streaming from Pandora and Internet radio feeds through
Squeeze Network.
Doh! I forgot about the SqueezeNetwork. Got it :)
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browellm;294097 Wrote:
You need to have a look at you router's dhcp range first (from it's
admin pages)
E.g. mine is 192.168.1.64 - 192.1.68.1.253
As long as you pick an address on the same subnet 192.168.1.x you will
be fine.
I picked 192.168.1.60 for example. x can be anything
jefferic;294460 Wrote:
Thanks - in your first post you said you picked a static address outside
the Home Hub's DHCP range, but here are you saying you picked one within
the same subnet. Isn't that contradictory ? Forgive my ignorance
no, its not. its good advice.
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jefferic;294460 Wrote:
Thanks - in your first post you said you picked a static address outside
the Home Hub's DHCP range, but here are you saying you picked one within
the same subnet. Isn't that contradictory ? Forgive my ignorance
MrSinatra;294463 Wrote:
no, its not. its good advice.
Just thought I'd mention that I'm using the BT Home hub in one of the
networks here and not had any problems with it serving DHCP addresses
wirelessly to an SB3, Controller and Receiver and wired to an SB3. It
also handles about 10 other devices as well with no issues including
the server.
rtitmuss;293837 Wrote:
Have you tried the 7.0.1 beta release, this includes fixes for a number
of connectivity problems.
Richard
Yes. I did that before posting, to be certain that I wasn't wasting
anyone's time. (Not to be too surly, but I imagine that's something
people here appreciate,
breadboxer;293444 Wrote:
Seems like there's been a lot of focus put on Zylex routers, but I'm
having exactly the same connectivity problems (e.g., spinning arrow in
the menus, red connectivity icon, lost connections, etc.) with a brand
new Netgear WNR3500 on Vista. I would suggest that you
I'm having some of the same Duet connection problems discussed in this
thread.
My set up is a little different than most in that I don't have a
computer connected to my network most of the time (long story) and have
been listing primarily to Pandora or Internet radio.
Basically, my entire
Rolo;294019 Wrote:
I'm having some of the same Duet connection problems discussed in this
thread.
My set up is a little different than most in that I don't have a
computer connected to my network most of the time (long story) and have
been listing primarily to Pandora or Internet radio.
Firstly, apologies as I haven't read the *entire* thread. But I thought
I would post my experiences of connectivity with the SB3.
My router is a BT HomeHub (a very common router in the UK based on a
Thomson/Alcatel box). I have WPA2 and manual channel selection
running.
My SC runs on my home
Browellm :
I think I have got the same problem with the Home Hub would like to
try this solution. How do you select wich IP address to use when you
shifted it to a static address outside the Home Hub range ?
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jefferic;294092 Wrote:
Browellm :
I think I have got the same problem with the Home Hub would like to
try this solution. How do you select wich IP address to use when you
shifted it to a static address outside the Home Hub range ?
You need to have a look at you router's dhcp range first
JimC;294042 Wrote:
If they are both connected via wireless, then they talk to each other
through the router. The only time the Controller is connected directly
to the Receiver (via our private ad-hoc connection) is when: 1) the
Controller is setting up the Receiver; or 2) when you have
@xn03296
Yup, there's a problem with the current update - not directly related
to the network issues in this thread.
See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46509page=3 - for
details, and if you're stuck here, upgrade server to 18963 and the
controller will update correctly.
This DUET makes me want to SCREAM
It has been working great all week long. I have upgraded it (or been
forced to upgrade it 3 or 4 times). It currently has 2269 on it. This
morning, the remote was not connected to the receiver. I tried to
connect and ONE HOUR LATER after about 15 factory
Now, I am sitting here and I want to hear my music. But my controller
told me that a update is waiting. ok, I press the button, the
controller tells me that that the update is running. after the restart
the conroller tells me a update is waiting. I press the the the button,
the controller
I found the solution in another thread. When it prompts you to update,
if you hit the back button to get back to Settings. Then goto Advanced
and choose Software Update. It worked that way for me.
Sheeesh.
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if i push the back button, nothing happens. Its like a loop. I only
can push the OK button for the update, the controller reboots and a
only can choose the option start the update. I restarted the
slimserver, I have updatet the slimserver to the newest version.
nothing helps. I am an
Try doing a reset on the receiver (hold the button in until you see
rapid flashes). At the same time, do a factory reset on the remote.
Then after setting it up (again), when it says it has a 2287 update,
hit the back button.
Hopefully this will work for you.
And I hear ya!
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Thank you very much for your Tip, I will try it tomorrow. I will give
you a feedback.
regards
Henrik
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No problem - I am starting to know this product better than the ones
that I am Product Manager for...
Cripes! (;-)
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rtitmuss;292497 Wrote:
A number of people of reported connectivity problems when using a ZyXEL
P-2602HW(L) router with the Squeezebox Controller, both in this thread
and in Bug 7153 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7153).
I have been testing with one of these routers today, and
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