Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
You may need some CAD skills prototyping and -design- skills for a product . Prototype can lurk in an over the counter generic box or a shoebox (shoebox lid can work as temporary circiut board to :) just punch holes for component legs ) , but to actually sell it to more than 100 people it has to be cosmetically acceptable . Imo the SB3 is a classic it have never looked better , transporter is ok so but it align a little bit to audiophile design aesthetic (if something looks like a steam powered difference engine with computer control it sells in those quarters ) .SB2 looks like a modem . Touch is ok as it resembles SB3 but it could improve a bit . Prototype boards etched at home is one thing a multilayer smd pcb thats possible to manufascture probably demands skills and software i havent heard of :) but sure there are such people here , there sure is some kind of file you send to chines plant and order a test batch of 1 boards ,just joking but there probably is challenge to have some scale of economics in small series . And tight control of the design spec who should be detailed and in control , the audiophiles would discuss dac chips until the end of days :) But on the positive side it could have some unique design specifics , for example fpga based filters the forum has such a designer (hello John ) with uncomercial tweaks like headromm for intersample overs (no specman ship ) . It could also build heavilly on squeezeplay fitting it to more memory and cpu and have some if its bugs fixed and added flexibility . I foresee that a debate would be screen or no screen . I'm for no screen in the first community squeezebox as it removes all design headaches of an UI and removes components that probably are cheap and common in large scale products like phones but I doubt the prices are any good if you want 200pcs for a small null series . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
Hi How do I switch between LMS mysqueezebox.com for a selected player ? Thanks swayzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
swayzak wrote: Hi How do I switch between LMS amp; mysqueezebox.com for a selected player ? Thanks From the now playing screen swipe left to see the players/servers page, then click the edit icon in the top left and drag and drop your players, you can also drag layers together here to sync them. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
jimbobvfr400 wrote: From the now playing screen swipe left to see the players/servers page, then click the edit icon in the top left and drag and drop your players, you can also drag layers together here to sync them. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD From the now playing screen swipe to the right, to your list of players. Touch the icon top left. Use the handle on the right of the player to drag and drop onto the server you wish to change to. kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
crooner wrote: I will attempt building a VAMP today. I want to use with my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC. I am hoping it will work fine. This DAC has a volume control in the analog domain that is usually controlled by the Windows operating system. It acts exactly like the regular system volume. With my netbook, I use Griffin's PowerMate as a physical volume control knob. For Linux, the PowerMate works with the Gizmo Deamon. My question is: would the Gizmo Daemon work with the VAMP? I'd love to be able to adjust the volume on the DAC within the VAMP. Thanks! Squeezelite (the player VAMP is based on) will not access any hardware specific volume controls. It does support digital domain volume control using the standard LMS controls. It may be that you can access the hardware volume from linux, but this will require you to find a way of controlling it which would be outside of what squeezelite does. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Triode wrote: Squeezelite (the player VAMP is based on) will not access any hardware specific volume controls. It does support digital domain volume control using the standard LMS controls. It may be that you can access the hardware volume from linux, but this will require you to find a way of controlling it which would be outside of what squeezelite does. Thanks! I will experiment and see what I come up with. I almost completed the VAMP last night. I only need to do the Alsamixer step, but I don't have the Dragonfly DAC with me a the moment. LMS doesn't see the VAMP player yet. I guess this step is needed for the unit to be visible. I will complete the process tonight. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
If you're an audiophile looking for highest sound quality, an external async USB DAC will give you better fidelity than an internal one in anything other than a very expensive Squeezebox replacement. So, without a screen and a touch and/or IR user interface, what real need is there for a replacement, when just about any computer with a USB port can today function as Squeezebox? And if you're not an audiophile, a computer with onboard sound or sound card will suffice. If you accept that a device without user I/O is sufficient, then there's little need for a true Squeezebox. Except perhaps for better synching of zone players in a multi-zone system. However, this also requires that such devices be relatively inexpensive, which will be an almost impossible goal for a community project that won't sell more than a couple hundred units. I've said in the past that an established audio company might be a good candidate for producing a Squeezebox capable player. Probably the biggest obstacle to that, however, is the current state of the server software and the astronomical costs of both supporting it and of maintaining it. Bottom line: It's just not going to happen, no matter how you slice it. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
I'm not sure whether we can turn this into a community product, but my personal view is that an effective Squeezebox replacement for the community can be made from a small existing arm based device + an external usb dac. This means all the audio engineering can be part of the dac and you can spend from $5 to $5000 based on your preference The device itself is probably based on something already available such as an android stick, raspberry pi or other such device - perhaps we need to settle on one or a small number of recommended devices and package for them. The one thing that most devices have now with hdmi, so a user interface using hdmi + control over that is probably required/sensible. This is not a mass market consumer product, but it gets us to a very viable solution for community enthusiasts... (and focusses much of the effort on software and packaging rather than hardware design and the necessary volumes this brings) Squeezelite part of my steps in this direction. I'd like to look at UI solutions, perhaps integration with XBMC or alternative user interfaces hdmi - any takers? Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote: 've said in the past that an established audio company might be a good candidate for producing a Squeezebox capable player. Probably the biggest obstacle to that, however, is the current state of the server software and the astronomical costs of both supporting it and of maintaining it. Is the maintenance cost really that bad ? How many full time developers have Logitech had during the last 2-3 years working with maintenance that really had to be done ? To me it kind of feels like most of the work during last years have either been various kind of refactoring and Revue related stuff which was doomed before it started. Looking back two years in time, it feels like there have been less than one full time developer working on the server in average. There were obviously a bit more during development of the Touch, but it's pretty normal that more resources is needed when you develop a new product which requires big changes. SBS 7.5.3 is about 2 years old, what must have functionality has been done in the server after that ? My feeling is the cost isn't really about things that had to be done, it's more related to bad management and prioritization. Are you sure the UPnP server software of your choice required less maintenance and support during the last two years ? Support is another matter, but I've got the feeling that this community has handled a lot of support issues and only a few people have actually taken the time to call the official Logitech support even though we have tried to push more people to do it during the last years. However, generally I agree that the server software probably don't have a future outside Logitech, but Logitech could still maintain the server and license the ability for third parties to produce players. This will of course not happen because Logitech is really ha hardware company and not a software company, so it probably never really made sense to them to let third parties produce the hardware. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote: Bottom line: It's just not going to happen, no matter how you slice it. Depends on what you mean with Squeezebox replacement. 1. DIY products is/will happen, we are already seeing this now, but for these we are likely taking about very small volumes, maybe a few hundred devices or something similar. Someone might try to package one pre-installed, but it's unlikely to get any volumes as long as it isn't packaged in a nice case with physical design suitable for the living room. 2. Squeezebox compatible hardware players in a consumer attractive package is unlikely to happen, mainly because nobody is maintaining the server and Logitech will likely block such player from mysqueezebox.com as soon as it has enough volumes to increase the load on mysqueezebox.com. On top of this such player can't advertize support for online streaming services without an agreement with Logitech because Logitech might shutdown mysqueezebox.com in two years and I would be really surprised if they would be interested in license mysqueezebox.com usage to a third party player provider. 3. Consumer attractive players with similar functionality as Squeezebox but not compatible with the Squeezebox ecosystem is also likely going to happen, if there is a need and people are willing to pay, someone will usually provide a suitable product, that's how the market works, it's just a matter of time. So basically if someone in the community wants to do something, it needs to be alternative 1 or 3, where 1 will be useful for geeks/enthusiasts but not for the masses. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Do we need an updated wiki ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97869 Question: Do we need an updated wiki ? - Yes, but I'm only interested to help update the information if it's hosted by Logitech - Yes, but I'm only interested to help update the information if it's hosted by the community - Yes, but I'm not interested to help update the information - No, I'm happy searching for information in the forum when I need something - No, I've moved on, I don't care about the community and Squeezebox anymore erland wrote: Is the Edit tab hidden so you can't edit a page or when do you get error ? Is it the same on all pages or can you edit some pages but not the top most ones ? For some reason I'm also in the Administrators group, don't remember it it was added at some time but it feels like Users should be enough to edit pages. I see no EDIT tab. If I click on the page source tab, I get this message: You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Bots, Administrators, Bureaucrats, emailconfirmed, developer. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97869 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Do we need an updated wiki ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97869 Question: Do we need an updated wiki ? - Yes, but I'm only interested to help update the information if it's hosted by Logitech - Yes, but I'm only interested to help update the information if it's hosted by the community - Yes, but I'm not interested to help update the information - No, I'm happy searching for information in the forum when I need something - No, I've moved on, I don't care about the community and Squeezebox anymore garym wrote: I see no EDIT tab. If I click on the page source tab, I get this message: You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Bots, Administrators, Bureaucrats, emailconfirmed, developer. Does it say Your e-mail address was authenticated under the e-mail options section behind the my preferences link ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97869 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Do we need an updated wiki ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97869 Question: Do we need an updated wiki ? - Yes, but I'm only interested to help update the information if it's hosted by Logitech - Yes, but I'm only interested to help update the information if it's hosted by the community - Yes, but I'm not interested to help update the information - No, I'm happy searching for information in the forum when I need something - No, I've moved on, I don't care about the community and Squeezebox anymore erland wrote: Does it say Your e-mail address was authenticated under the e-mail options section behind the my preferences link ? No. But I've tried several times to click the send confirmation email link on that page and never received an email. So that's probably my issue. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97869 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I am having trouble restoring the VAMP image. I have a 4 gB USB Drive. USB image tool keeps telling me image size is too large. What should I do? I have run the program as an administrator and I don't want to truncate the image for fear of losing data. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Got myself a 8GB Sansa USB drive. Hopefully it will work. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Ok. I managed to get the image into the 8Gb USB. Now I am getting an alsamixer error on Putty: cannot open mixer: no such file or directory This really sucks! Any ideas? :scratch: crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
ok. Plugged the USB dac into a different USB port and it now works. Will plug headphones and will report back! crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Got everything running smoothly! The Audioquest Dragonfly works great on it. Now to try to adapt the Griffin Powermate volume control to work on it... crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
