Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread hvb83

Wow, and I thought iPeng just couldn't be improved anymore? Maybe that's
just my lack of imagination... :D

Still too early to tell since we don't know anything about the new
version, but great news that there is something new coming along. Will
it work on 3GS/4 and 5, or will it be 5 only? Btw, if I need to buy a
new app because it's iOS6, I completely understand. I bought the app 3
years ago, that's €0,007 per day. Meanwhile the app has just been
improved over and over again, without any additional costs. Ok,
including the app for my gf's phone, the iPad app, playback and the app
I bought for my sister it comes to 4 cents a day. But that's still a
ridiculous amount for the iPhone app I use the most, by far.



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Re: [slim] SqueezePlay for Windows with ASIO, DirectSound, WASAPI and WDMKS device support.

2012-10-05 Thread mhaas

I'm having problems with this. I have a WinXP PC with Squeezeplay,
ASIO4ALL and M2Tech USB converter. I usually leave the PC running 24/7,
but I shut down Squeezeplay since when I leave it on, it sometimes
crashes and freezes Windows.
I set the variables USEPADEVICE and USEPAHOSTAPI to the values showed by
Squeezeslave. After a PC reboot everything worked fine. Then, if I shut
down Squeezeplay and start it, say, next day again, eveything still
looks fine (Squeezeplay activates the ASIO driver etc, connects to LMS)
but there is no sound. I have to reboot the PC and then all is OK again.
Any ideas?
Cheers



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-10-05 Thread AndreE

JJZolx wrote: 
 What are you talking about? Did I miss an announcement, or is this you
 speculating about how Logitech is going to gouge customers in the
 future?

It is just thoughts shared based on the experience how the portfolio
planning happened at big companies :-)

As Logitech is a public company with strong focus on shareholder value
and profit – basic assumption would be how this company is going to earn
money and what are the revenue streams are available / possible.

There is no need to go into deep marketing analysis to get understanding
how Logitech earns money and what opportunities are available / left for
Moos_Man in case (s)he is going to make so attractive offer to
Logitech.
The rest – is just thoughts shared with this great community, and please
see it as an attempt to have a look into the future.

Logitech will be taking care about customers as long as it brings
profit, and at the point when it will be turning red instant actions
will be triggered whether we like it or not – they are not a charity. 
And there is no reason to blame them for being success oriented – I
still love Logitech keyboards and mice and would like to have a newer
and better model at the moment when mine is suddenly dead.



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[slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread swayzak

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Thin-Client-gt7725-Ethernet/dp/B005C7W4JQ/ref=sr_1_11?s=computersie=UTF8qid=1349433358sr=1-11

I hadn't heard of these before.

Would it be possible / straightforward to use one of these out-the-box
as a low power machine to run LMS / local music collection ?



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Re: [slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread fragfutter

the linked amazon deal is strange. The picture is for a small gt7725
that has onboard radeon. The FireMV would be a double wide. HP ThinPro
GT is a customized debian lenny. 

They are basic PCs with an external power brick. I don't remember if
they have a fan (The FireMV has one, but i forgot about the CPU). Your
Problem is the mass storage. The have in integrated ide44 flash modul
with 1GB. You can't add any internal drive. So you would need to add an
external USB drive. Performance wise they would be fine. Noise level is
fine. Powerconsumption is ok.



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Re: [slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread swayzak

fragfutter wrote: 
 the linked amazon deal is strange. The picture is for a small gt7725
 that has onboard radeon. The FireMV would be a double wide. HP ThinPro
 GT is a customized debian lenny. 
 
 They are basic PCs with an external power brick. I don't remember if
 they have a fan (The FireMV has one, but i forgot about the CPU). Your
 Problem is the mass storage. The have in integrated ide44 flash modul
 with 1GB. You can't add any internal drive. So you would need to add an
 external USB drive. Performance wise they would be fine. Noise level is
 fine. Powerconsumption is ok.

Thanks

So do some of these units (in general, not just the HP example I linked
to - I realise there are many) run OS's compatible with LMS (Windows,
Linux etc.) ?

I guess it would have to have at least 1GB RAM ?

I would certainly intend to connect my USB-powered ext USB music library
HD.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

No, it will of course not only work on iPhone 5. iPhone 5 and iOS 6 just
provided some motivation and also eased some pains:

1. There was the NEED for a redesign of at least the NowPlaying screen
to make it use on iPhone 5 and to use the added space

2. Since support for iPhone 5 and iOS 6 forces you to drop support for
ARM6 based devices (iPhone 3G - NOT 3GS, that still works - and iPod
touch 2nd Gen., you can't compile for them with the new development kit)
there is no reason to not use iOS 5 as a baseline requirement anymore
(all ARM7 based devices can run iOS 5) which allows for FAR more
customization than iOS 4. That header bar you are seeing in the screen
shot would either not have been possible at all under iOS 4 or it would
at least have been an utter PIA to do everything yourself.

So... Everything that's still supported by Apple (iPhone from 3GS, iPod
touch from 3rd Gen) will work with the new iPeng but you will need at
least iOS 5. It looks a _little_ bit better on iOS 6, there have been
some design changes to standard UI elements in 6 that fit the new design
better. It definitely looks better on retina displays (obviously), all
main menu icons are now available in retina resolution.



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Re: [slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread bebop

The are several users who has used HP Thin clients as LMS servers with
success.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread mps

Nice to get some good squeezebox news for a change! I'll use it on my
brand new Touch!

Thanks, Pippin!



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-10-05 Thread mps

Sorry if this is a naive question, but would it be possible to modify
SBS to get its stream using the UE Smart Radio server rather than
mysb.com? If so, should this be our ask from Logitech?

Mike



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread gorman

pippin, apart from UI considerations, what's the current state on these
features?

1) Replaygain
2) Crossfade
3) Playback of different formats (FLAC, Ogg, etc., giving MP3 and AAC
for granted)
4) Caching of songs for mobile use with the playback function (similar
to what iSub does with Subsonic)

It might be that everything has already been implemented perfectly. But
I haven't been on top of recent upgrades and I'd like to clear things up
before asking useless questions (so I basically round them all up here
;) ).



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

gorman wrote: 
 pippin, apart from UI considerations, what's the current state on these
 features?
 
No new features... well, except one carryover from iPad... in this
release.
 
 1) Replaygain
 2) Crossfade
 
That's the same thing. It's a bit of a tradeoff, it will make other
things worse, we are considering it
 
 3) Playback of different formats (FLAC, Ogg, etc., giving MP3 and AAC
 for granted)
 
??? All of these have always worked natively in iPeng. The only one that
doesn't (and never will) is WMA. No other formats are supported by the
server so there is no point in supporting them in iPeng. OK, mp2, but
that's so backwards and rarely used that we are not going to do our own
codec implementation just for that. Transcode it.

 
 4) Caching of songs for mobile use with the playback function (similar
 to what iSub does with Subsonic)
 

You can't do it like that with the Squeezebox server, would have to have
a server instance running on the device.

I want to do a local caching/syncing, but that's a HUGE amount of work
and there are still other things to be done before that. Unfortunately,
it's not as simple as with Android, where you can just throw it into the
device's own library.

With Subsonic, the whole system implementation is made for remote
access, with the Squeezebox, it's not. One example: it's a total PIA to
setup the stream again in the same place (and has a 50% chance of
succeeding) once you lose the control connection to the server, making
too much caching pointless.
So an offline mode will require a completely separate playback and
control logic and that in turn means you need additional information you
don't process when using the server.
It's really a different player then.



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-10-05 Thread toby10

mps wrote: 
 Sorry if this is a naive question, but would it be possible to modify
 SBS to get its stream using the UE Smart Radio server rather than
 mysb.com? If so, should this be our ask from Logitech?
 
 Mike

Unknown.  But it could be the saving grace for SqueezeBox players going
forward.  Perhaps a UE emulation plugin on LMS that could share the
online streams with SB hardware players?  But even if doable at all, at
what cost to SB features/functions?  Sync?  Paid services?  Transcoding?
Who knows. many, many questions remain.



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Re: [slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread swayzak

bebop wrote: 
 The are several users who has used HP Thin clients as LMS servers with
 success.

Thanks - I didn't think of posting in that subforum. Will ask there.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread gorman

Thanks Pippin for your answers, I really appreciate it. I'm just
thinking about a Squeezebox-less world and thinking what I might be
missing in it. Your player is one of the best long term chances of
keeping my setup going.

Although I have one SB2 and one Boom in storage, for rainy days. :)

As for the formats... doh! I told you I wasn't up to speed.

Playback is already gapless, right? And sorry for hijacking the
discussion. I just wanted a complete picture before delving into all the
new goodies you're introducing. :D



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[slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread Narbux

Hi

I recently bought my first Squeezebox: a Touch. It connects to the
internet and mysqueezebox.com fine, but I can't get it to connect to
Logitech Media Server on my PC.

My setup is the following: Arris Touchstone cable modem (provided by
ISP) with wired connection to a TP-LINK WR1043ND wireless router. The
SBT is connected to the router via Ethernet cable; the PC has a wireless
connection to the router. I'm running firmware version 7.7.2 r9663 on
the SBT and LMS version 7.7.2 - r33893 on Windows XP SP3. Guided by
threads on this forum I've tried disabling Windows Firewall and Sophos
Antivirus, disabling DHCP on the router and assigning static IP
addresses, connecting SBT wirelessly and via cable, resetting to factory
settings on the SBT, rebooting the router and SBT, and changing the LMS
HTTP port number. Unfortunately nothing worked, so I'm getting stuck on
ideas here... Could my router be blocking the necessary ports? How can I
check? Or is it simply a software / firmware version problem? 

My SBT is telling me:

Settings-Advanced-Diagnostics-Server info:
Mysqueezebox.com 46.137.90.12 (this changes frequently)
Ping OK
TCP port 3483 OK
TCP port 9000 OK
Mysqueezebox.com  Registered
Logitech Media Server not connected
Library name not connected
Ping not connected
TCP port 3483 not connected
TCP port 9000 not connected

Ethernet info:
IP address 192.168.1.101
IP subnet 255.255.255.0
IP gateway 192.168.1.1
DNS server 192.168.1.1


On the LMS Control Panel I have:

Diagnostics Tab:
Logitech Media Server
LMS:Running
Server IP: 192.168.1.100
Port 3483 (slimproto):  OK
Port 9001 (HTTP):   OK
Port 9090 (CLI):OK

mysqueezebox.com
Server IP Address:  176.34.103.114
Ping:   OK
Port 3483 (slimproto):  OK
Port 9000 (HTTP):   OK

And on the Information tab:
Logitech Media Server Status 
Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.2 - r33893 @ Wed Mar 14 05:47:42 PDT
2012 
Hostname: Whatever
Server IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Server HTTP Port Number: 9001 
Operating system: Windows XP - EN - cp1252 
Platform Architecture: 586 
Perl Version: 5.14.1 - MSWin32-x86-multi-thread 
Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) 
Total Players Recognized: 0   

My router is on IP 192.168.1.1, the cable modem is on 192.168.100.1.

Any help is greatly appreciated!



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

Yes, playback is gapless and yes, sync works just fine, too :)
Here's yesterday's news ;)
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2012/08/14/ipeng-goes-audiophile/



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread gorman

Pippin, I'm afraid to know the answer but still... the HDMI output is
available for iPad. Would there be any way that iPeng could playback
multichannel FLAC files (I'm thinking about my DVD-Audio material that I
would lose forever once my now old Pioneer 747 dies, bound to happen
sooner or later)?



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

No, because the server won't deliver that.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread Aesculus

pippin wrote: 
 No new features... well, except one carryover from iPad... in this
 release.
 
 I want to do a local caching/syncing, but that's a HUGE amount of work
 and there are still other things to be done before that. Unfortunately,
 it's not as simple as with Android, where you can just throw it into the
 device's own library.
 
 With Subsonic, the whole system implementation is made for remote
 access, with the Squeezebox, it's not. One example: it's a total PIA to
 setup the stream again in the same place (and has a 50% chance of
 succeeding) once you lose the control connection to the server, making
 too much caching pointless.
 So an offline mode will require a completely separate playback and
 control logic and that in turn means you need additional information you
 don't process when using the server.
 It's really a different player then.

Could you use the new HTML 5 audio playback (only iOS6) to manage the
local library?  The user would have to dupe tracks (maybe iPeng could
assist?) but then iPeng would be the standard player or all audio?



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread toby10

Does your router use a guest network for WiFi devices?  Tried stopping
then restarting LMS server?  Then on Touch go to My Music?



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

That's only good for single tracks.



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Re: [slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread fragfutter

afaik The smallest gt7725 has 1gb ram and 1gb flash.

You can install any os you like as long as the storage constrict allows
it or you install it on some external USB storage.



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Re: [slim] Thin Clients as music servers ?

2012-10-05 Thread azinck3

These are just small computers.  I recently switched to using a Foxconn
NT-A3500 as a server and I'm very happy.  Cheap, low power consumption,
much more powerful and more capable than a NAS.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread Narbux

Thanks for the quick reply. 
I'm not sure what a guest network is, I haven't set one up consciously
in any case. Any way to check if my router does this by default? 
I've stopped and restarted LMS numerous times...



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread JohnB

Silly question: have you gone to My Music on the Touch?



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread dasmueller

And, you have your media library and media folder named ? From the
Control Panel - Advanced Settings/Basic Settings



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread Narbux

Yep, I've gone to My Music on the Touch. It tells me To enable My Music
try the following: Download LMS, Make sure it's up and running... etc
I have named the media library and scanned a folder containing my music
on the Server.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread toby10

Right click the LMS icon in your system tray, select Control Panel 
Diagnostics, what is reported for ALL pings, ports, IP's?



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Re: [slim] Refurb Squeezebox Classics available

2012-10-05 Thread exile

i'd add that if you're in the U.S., the first place to shop for a used
classic is craigslist. I've picked up 2 SB3's on there and both were
gotten for less than $100 each.



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread epoch1970

Narbux wrote: 
 My router is on IP 192.168.1.1, the cable modem is on 192.168.100.1.
This is unusual. Your router's Internet port is on a private network.
Many routers will reject traffic apparently coming from private
addresses on the Internet port. This shouldn't disrupt LAN access,
though…

Perhaps the router uses something like wifi client isolation ? In such
a scenario the wifi client is handed an IP on the local network, but the
only thing it can do is access the internet. Access to (and from ?)
other clients on the LAN is filtered. Same concept as wifi guest
network but on a machine-per-machine basis.
If this is enabled, it would create the situation you see, I think.

Can you grab a random computer and plug it in place of the Touch ? From
the computer you could scan the network, try to run Squeezeplay …



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

To get back on topic another detail.

Wonder when somebody will ask that question I've been waiting for all
the time :)

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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread kidstypike

pippin wrote: 
 To get back on topic another detail.
 
 Wonder when somebody will ask that question I've been waiting for all
 the time :)
 
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Do you get wafers with it?



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Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch can't connect to Logitech Media Server on PC

2012-10-05 Thread Narbux

toby10 wrote: 
 Right click the LMS icon in your system tray, select Control Panel 
 Diagnostics, what is reported for ALL pings, ports, IP's?

Unless I'm missing something I specified this in my original post?

epoch1970 wrote: 
 This is unusual. Your router's Internet port is on a private network.
 Many routers will reject traffic apparently coming from private
 addresses on the Internet port. This shouldn't disrupt LAN access,
 though…
 
 Perhaps the router uses something like wifi client isolation ? In such
 a scenario the wifi client is handed an IP on the local network, but the
 only thing it can do is access the internet. Access to (and from ?)
 other clients on the LAN is filtered. Same concept as wifi guest
 network but on a machine-per-machine basis.
 If this is enabled, it would create the situation you see, I think.
 
 Can you grab a random computer and plug it in place of the Touch ? From
 the computer you could scan the network, try to run Squeezeplay …

I'm afraid I haven't been completely accurate. I can access my modem's
admin page via IP 192.168.100.1. However, if I go to the admin page of
the router and check the WAN settings, it's showing an external IP:
IP: 62.xxx.yyy.133
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 62.xxx.yyy.1
(where xxx and yyy are the same in both cases)

So I don't know if the situation you describe still applies to me. I
don't have a laptop available here at the moment, but can arrange for
one tomorrow. I'll have a go at it and let you know. Thanks anyways!



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread maggior

I had to laugh because I I happen to be listening to Muse at the moment
(The 2nd Law).

I'm intrigued to see what the new UI is going to look like.  Looks good
so far :-).



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Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?

2012-10-05 Thread Mnyb

moos_man wrote: 
 Hey Guys,
 
 I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeeze
 community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is
 in keeping things going, and growing, int the future. I'm not talking
 about keeping this on life support (as per now), but in terms of new
 products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think
 transporter on steroids and other cool products.
 
 I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights,
 so would appreciate considered feedback.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Moos Man

The product range must run the whole gamut from inexpensive table radios
to hifi and high end connectivity  .
The system synergy is the real strength of the squeezebox idea ,Even
audiophiles have zones that would not require high end.
For people that already have all DAC capacity they ever need I suggest a
novelty a digital,out only box ,spdif,ToS,USB,hdmi small form-factor,
not obscenely expensive as that is not necessary for a good enough
digital transport .
And the analog aficionados would want one with built in high end DAC .
And what about a good headphone output in some model ?



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread bluegaspode

maggior wrote: 
 Will it blend?

They did that test with an iPhone, didn't they?
Doubt that iPeng could prevent that? :D



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread kidstypike

pippin wrote: 
 To get back on topic another detail.
 
 Wonder when somebody will ask that question I've been waiting for all
 the time :)

How often does it need mowing?



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread alexj700

Great news

Can I ask one question that always has been in my mind since the
beggining of iPeng app?

Could we be able to watch covers in the folders mode? I can see covers
of CDs in almost all views into the app, except in folders mode,
despite all folders have folder.jpg inside it...

Sorry If I am breaking something...



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Re: [slim] Android Controller App

2012-10-05 Thread Threepwood

I've installed squeezebox controller app on android tablet.
on the first run it shows the license agreement, but I agree button is
not working.
Back button is also unresponsive and the app can only be killed from
task manager.

I edited SQLite config (app_database\localstorage\file__0.localstorage)
and set eulaAccepted to true.
I've got past license agreement, but none of UI buttons are working.

tablet is china Cube U19GT, Android 4.0.3.
Tried latest 1.1.4 and previous 1.1.3 controller app with the same
effect.

I've reported a bug at bugtracker but seems that bugtracker is dead ((

any ideas?



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[slim] Radio Functions missing from LMS

2012-10-05 Thread norderney

Very odd.  Yesterday I had a number of different options under the radio
heading in LMS, today all that is left are some plug ins such as JazzFM,
BBC IPlayer and NPR and that's it.  The Tune In URL is there, but the
option to search by radio station name is missing.

Has anything happened to cause this?  The only thing that has changed on
my setup, is that I have replaced my router because I am using a
different ISP.  Could this affect how LMS works?

Also when using iPeng, if I try and access App Gallery it is saying
Couldn't resolve IP address for www.mysqueezebox.com.



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Re: [slim] Radio Functions missing from LMS

2012-10-05 Thread kidstypike

norderney wrote: 
 Very odd.  Yesterday I had a number of different options under the radio
 heading in LMS, today all that is left are some plug ins such as JazzFM,
 BBC IPlayer and NPR and that's it.  The Tune In URL is there, but the
 option to search by radio station name is missing.
 
 Has anything happened to cause this?  The only thing that has changed on
 my setup, is that I have replaced my router because I am using a
 different ISP.  Could this affect how LMS works?
 
 Also when using iPeng, if I try and access App Gallery it is saying
 Couldn't resolve IP address for www.mysqueezebox.com.

Add your email address and password, click apply bottom right, and
restart LMS:


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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

bluegaspode wrote: 
 They did that test with an iPhone, didn't they?
 Doubt that iPeng could prevent that? :D

Never underestimate the power of the penguin!

I wonder when somebody will build a phone that actually does not blend,
just as a marketing gag. Might be pretty hard, though.

kidstypike wrote: 
 How often does it need mowing?
 
 No, scrap that one ... I've got it!  
 
 When does it hit the app store?

:) If I knew that, I would already hold it back.
http://reviewtimes.shinydevelopment.com/
I submitted it yesterday, so based on that trend there's a chance it
sees the store next weekend if all goes well. If not, then probably
sometime until the weekend thereafter.

But no, that's not the question. I'm happy if nobody asks, because the
answer would be unfortunately not, maybe with iOS 7

alexj700 wrote: 
 
 Could we be able to watch covers in the folders mode? I can see covers
 of CDs in almost all views into the app, except in folders mode,
 despite all folders have folder.jpg inside it...
 

No, as much as I would love to see that. There is no artwork info for
folders. I briefly considered drilling down into the folder and grab the
first artwork I find but the performance of the server is so bad that
that would risk bringing the whole thing down on some systems and
certainly causing stuttering playback with bigger folders on all
systems.
There's already an issue when just using the CLI API to play a whole
folder so that I had to optionally introduce the native folder mode
which doesn't show artwork at all.

The problem is that whenever you browse into a folder, that folder gets
scanned, if you do that on a lot of folders to retrieve artwork, it's
like doing a full rescan on the server process while using the server at
the same time.



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Re: [slim] Android Controller App

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

Try one of the native Apps.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread CharlieG

pippin wrote: 
 Wonder when somebody will ask that question I've been waiting for all
 the time :)

Probably not the question your are waiting for, but...will it display
multiple artist on the now playing screen?



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

Only if the standard CLI status returns them probably not the answer
you were looking for... sorry, but that would have been too much change
at a time.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread CharlieG

pippin wrote: 
 Only if the standard CLI status returns them probably not the answer
 you were looking for... sorry, but that would have been too much change
 at a time.

I figured as much.  I'm not really complaining, just trying make sure
you don't forget this.  I take extra time to tag songs with the multiple
artists (when they have multiple artist), so I think this would be a
good feature.



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Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread

2012-10-05 Thread pippin

I don't forget it, but it's one of the biggest changes I could make to
iPeng internally and it requires a lot of testing. Actually my
experience with testing hasn't been too good recently. I have a few beta
testers that report a lot of issues but they have only a few setups and
this would require regression testing with server versions all the way
back to 7.3 and there is zero documentation about the expected behavior
on all of these versions.

The problem is not the artists field but that if I switch the queries
_everything_ I get as a player status will come in a different format.
Alarms, playlists, player states, special buttons, everything. The
likelihood of breaking something in iPeng's basic functionality and only
learning about it at the customer is huge. Not the kind of changes you
want to make with a major release focussed at design.



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Re: [slim] Extremely long startup and rescan times

2012-10-05 Thread Omen Wild
Quoting erland erland.5jy...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com on Thu, Oct 04 
21:27:

 
 If it's related to my plugins, you will find some ideas in the following
 thread:
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96124-Erland-s-Plug-ins-Large-Collections-and-Hardware-Requirements

I knew I forgot something important; the hardware is a beefy, lightly
loaded home server. It is a Xeon E31275 @ 3.40GHz (so 4 cores, 8 threads)
with 16GB of RAM. My primary disk, the one that stores the cache is an
Intel 510 SSD. I was thinking I was I/O bound so I moved the cache to a
RAM disk but that did not speed it up at all, so it is not an I/O issue.

I'll dig through that thread and post the debug info when I get a chance.
It sounds like turning off `musicbrainz tags' and maybe `Startup refresh'
and `Rescan refresh' would solve the issue. I don't often re-arrange
my music, but I would hate to lose the ratings if/when I do.

Do you still support MySQL, or it it SQLite only now?

Has anyone had ever set the page_size PRAGMA for SQLite? I am tempted
to bump that to 16k, which with cache_size = 2 would give 312MB of
cache. I have the RAM, might as well use it.

It it worth moving from 7.7.3 to 7.8? The changelog looks fairly
small.

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Re: [slim] Extremely long startup and rescan times

2012-10-05 Thread Mnyb

Mandarb wrote: 
 Quoting erland erland.5jy2sn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com
 on Thu, Oct 04 21:27:
 
  
  If it's related to my plugins, you will find some ideas in the
 following
  thread:
 
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96124-Erland-s-Plug-ins-Large-Collections-and-Hardware-Requirements
 
 I knew I forgot something important; the hardware is a beefy, lightly
 loaded home server. It is a Xeon E31275 @ 3.40GHz (so 4 cores, 8
 threads)
 with 16GB of RAM. My primary disk, the one that stores the cache is an
 Intel 510 SSD. I was thinking I was I/O bound so I moved the cache to a
 RAM disk but that did not speed it up at all, so it is not an I/O
 issue.
 
 I'll dig through that thread and post the debug info when I get a
 chance.
 It sounds like turning off `musicbrainz tags' and maybe `Startup
 refresh'
 and `Rescan refresh' would solve the issue. I don't often re-arrange
 my music, but I would hate to lose the ratings if/when I do.
 
 Do you still support MySQL, or it it SQLite only now?
 
 Has anyone had ever set the page_size PRAGMA for SQLite? I am tempted
 to bump that to 16k, which with cache_size = 2 would give 312MB of
 cache. I have the RAM, might as well use it.
 
 It it worth moving from 7.7.3 to 7.8? The changelog looks fairly
 small.
 
 Thanks

Setting higher cache pragma is exactly what the  high mem setting in
LMS does ( look in the advanced / performance settings ).



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Re: [slim] Extremely long startup and rescan times

2012-10-05 Thread Omen Wild
Quoting Mnyb mnyb.5jz...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com on Fri, Oct 05 21:56:

 Setting higher cache pragma is exactly what the  high mem setting in
 LMS does ( look in the advanced / performance settings ).

I know. The high mem setting (which I have enabled) bumps the cache
from 2,000 pages to 20,000 pages. At 1KB page size (the default) that is
still only 20MB. Given that the I/O I posted from strace shows 1024 byte
reads and writes, bumping the page_size to 16KB would make there be 16x
fewer I/O operations. Leaving the high mem setting enabled with 16KB
page_size would give ~315MB of cache, significantly more than the 20MB
currently being used. The down side is that to change the page_size I
have to hack the code, and then completely wipe and regenerate the
databases. Still, it might be worth it.
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Re: [slim] Extremely long startup and rescan times

2012-10-05 Thread Mnyb

Mandarb wrote: 
 Quoting Mnyb Mnyb.5jzyun (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com on
 Fri, Oct 05 21:56:
 
  Setting higher cache pragma is exactly what the  high mem setting
 in
  LMS does ( look in the advanced / performance settings ).
 
 I know. The high mem setting (which I have enabled) bumps the cache
 from 2,000 pages to 20,000 pages. At 1KB page size (the default) that
 is
 still only 20MB. Given that the I/O I posted from strace shows 1024
 byte
 reads and writes, bumping the page_size to 16KB would make there be 16x
 fewer I/O operations. Leaving the high mem setting enabled with 16KB
 page_size would give ~315MB of cache, significantly more than the 20MB
 currently being used. The down side is that to change the page_size I
 have to hack the code, and then completely wipe and regenerate the
 databases. Still, it might be worth it.

Yes you have too, but the code hack is only one line I think it is in
SQLiteHelper.pm or ? Or something like it  ( not at home can't peek into
my server rigth now ) this will be wiped at every upgrade .
But do you really need to rescan ? Just restart LMS and see if it helps
.



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