Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Just thought I's add my thanks to Andy, and my hope that we can carve a way forward without Logitech ... JonWill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20259 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Human Time-Frequency Acuity Beats the Fourier Uncertainty Principle
lrossouw wrote: I think we sort of agree. The paper is a paper. It's in theory space. In practice things are different and the paper might have some implications in edge cases. Also in practice people test encoders etc. I can see how it can be misused by the other crowd. I wasn't trying to say that lossy encoding is no good. I can't tell the difference between a mp3 and a flac if the bitrate isn't too low. But I know I don't like low bit rate mp3. I wil read the other comments. Thanks! That practice is that humans have not changed and testing of digital audio is made with actual humans so this effect is already taken into account even if we did not know about it . Thats whats so good with proper ABX testing you have actually taken care of unknown factors and may also be able discover new unknown factors . The other crowd misses the fact that this testing is was to all kinds of digital audio 16/44.1 vas hirez vs analog etc and good conclusions is already there , and tests where done with actual humans and the result would not change afterwards because some hiherto unknown property of our hearing have got a better explanation . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98124 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
erland wrote: Using someone elses PartnerId is a bad idea, because some partners have to pay for each TuneIn user and TuneIn could be measuring amount of users by looking at the partner id in the request. I don't think there's any intent to use another id. If we already have access to an app (the Logitech version) couldn't that code be modified to remove the 'callback' to mysb.com ? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
erland wrote: Their licensing rules were different previously, it was easy to get a PartnerId previously and the OPML file was more or less an open API, I think they changed it about the time when RadioTime became TuneIn, but it could be worth to check with them if it's possible to get a PartnerId as a non commercial partner, I know it's hard as a commercial partner unless you can guarantee them volumes. . . Having said that, an open source plugin with a few thousand users would probably not be a target for TuneIn lawyers, especially if you don't put the PartnerId from someone else in the url. If they decided to take legal action towards a low volume plugin developer they would probably be happy if you just stopped distributing it, but anyone doing it should be aware of the risks, I don't think the OPML file without PartnerId is an official API any more. Using someone elses PartnerId is a bad idea, because some partners have to pay for each TuneIn user and TuneIn could be measuring amount of users by looking at the partner id in the request. I hope it didn't across that I suggested to user another user's Partrner Id as that was not my intentions. I was curious to know whether the XBMC plugin actually used the PartnerID as the plugin documentation seemed to indicate it was not required. Regarding PartnerId, I have already went through some of these hoops with Amazon AWS and the FindArt plugin and didn't want to leave myself open to litigation as a result of 3rd parties using (and possibly modifying) my plugin. As the only proper way forward would be for someone to contact Tunein to see if a non commercial licenses is still possible. My concern would be that this may highlight the issue (e.g. XBMC plugin) within Tunein which may have been ignored and in the worst case scernario instigating a policy change which revokes all non commercial use of Tunein API. Perhaps the softly, softly approach would be to ask XBMC Tunein plugin developer is their id is non commercial and when was it issued. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
bpa wrote: I hope it didn't across that I suggested to user another user's Partrner Id as that was not my intentions. I didn't think you were going to use someone else partner id, I just wanted to make it clear to everyone else reading the thread that it would be a bad idea to do so. bpa wrote: the softly, softly approach would be to ask XBMC Tunein plugin developer is their id is non commercial and when was it issued. Sounds like a good start, can you investigate it ? I'm interested in the result so PM me if you don't want to post the answer you get to the public. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
I really also would like to be independent on mysqueezebox.com for listening to radio stations. So I hope it will be possible to make a TuneIn plugin that allows us to do that. I have seen that also MediaPortal has a TuneIn plugin - maybe something could be learned from their source code? http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/radiotime-plugin-0-7-0-1-22-07-2012.40575/ sbp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
So, am I to assume that my enjoyment of this awesome Squeezebox ecosystem is soon coming to an end and that my short-term investment to many LOGITECH devices is soon to become worthless. Somehow that does not seem fair to LOGITECH consumers. Does it seem fair to others? Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
Ikabob wrote: So, am I to assume that my enjoyment of this awesome Squeezebox ecosystem is soon coming to an end and that my short-term investment to many LOGITECH devices is soon to become worthless. Somehow that does not seem fair to LOGITECH consumers. Does it seem fair to others? Not sure about fair or not fair. Businesses make decisions all the time that are good for some and bad for others. Logitech certainly should be held to meeting any legal contractual obligation they have for supporting products they've sold (which might be keeping mysb.com alive for 2 years), but otherwise they can make any decisions they think are best for their shareholders. But I also don't see the worthless argument. First, these devices are not investments. They are products to be used until they don't work any more. And with LMS running on a local PC/NAS, these devices can work for many, many years. With local LMS, I can listen to all my own music, I can listen to internet radio (where I have the URLs saved as favorites), I can use Spotify (with Triode's plugin). If mysb.com shut down tomorrow, I'd lose ability to listen to siriusXM and Pandora and I assume I'd lose the ability to scrobble my played music to last.fm. But I'd have 99% of the benefits I currently have. But the key of course is that I never use mysqueezebox.com as the actual server. I have LMS running on a 24/7 server (vortexbox). I'm so confident of continued benefit from the squeeze system, that I picked up 3 extra Touches and 3 extra radios when they announced the discontinuation. p.s. I do know several users of Booms, Radios, and even Touch players that have no idea that LMS even exists, and strictly use a connection to mysb.com to stream Pandora or internet radio. mysb.com going away will be a real shock to these folks. On the other hand, if that's all they were doing, moving to a SONOS player with a built in speaker will be seamless for them. For me it would be painful (I have too many tracks, they have too large artwork, the general quality of the Sonos digital out is not at the level of the Touch, much less my Transporter, and none of the SONOS units really work as a bedside radio (who wants to look for their smart phone in the middle of the night to turn on the radio to play for a half hour while one drifts back to sleep; and heck, I'm not even sure the SONOS has a headphone jack). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
erland wrote: I didn't think you were going to use someone else partner id, I just wanted to make it clear to everyone else reading the thread that it would be a bad idea to do so. Sounds like a good start, can you investigate it ? As Andy mentioned every SB owner already paid some money to TuneIn. There shouldn't be a problem running the plugin from LMS using the same partner ID. If you look into the plugin code you'll see that it's already there in many places. Unfortunately the radio menu item had been created with extensibility in mind. Today there's more than just TuneIn (eg. the Staff Picks). It would probably be a good idea to make the plugin a pure TuneIn plugin and get rid of some of the overhead. If you want to give it a try: look at the InternetRadio plugin. Replace the call to /api/v1/radio with pulling the main OPML stream from TuneIn (should be in the XBMC thing). Then adjust _gotRadio to parse the returned OPML instead of some JSON data you would get from SN. That should be it. We should probably move technical discussions to the devs forum to continue. -- Michael mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
bpa wrote: As the only proper way forward would be for someone to contact Tunein to see if a non commercial licenses is still possible. My concern would be that this may highlight the issue (e.g. XBMC plugin) within Tunein which may have been ignored and in the worst case scernario instigating a policy change which revokes all non commercial use of Tunein API. A former SB guy now is working for TuneIn. He's a good guy :-). I've already sent him a mail about this issue. Hopefully he can give us some good answers. mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life after mysqueezebox.com is turned off
A former SB guy now is working for TuneIn. He's a good guy :-). I've already sent him a mail about this issue. Hopefully he can give us some good answers. I sure hope this can be worked out. It's a great example of something that's worth a lot, and I do think people would be willing to pay for a Tunein plugin to replace the app that relies on mysb.com. I know I would; to me it would be just as valuable as, e.g., Erland's plugins, all of which so improve my Squeezebox experience. SBB ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of online services in your family ?
We use Pandora, SiriusXM, and occasionally Slacker. One account in each case. Never felt a need for separate accounts/playlists/favorites. The currently-existing functionality is adequate for our needs. Obviously if a new plugin or plugins had that same functionality but added new features, that would be fine, but we're not pressed for anything new. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of online services in your family ?
erland wrote: If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ? I have a single Pandora account, and it would be nice to have separate ones, with individual favorites. Kiddo favorites, my favorites, genre favorites. Also, the SB Pandora interaction isn't as refined as the iOS app - you can do far more on it, even vs. iPeng (don't have a list handy at the moment) plympton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
If MYSB.com goes away, will it break Pandora? Will it break just the Free services, but the paid accounts will work? Anyone know? plympton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
We've never needed separate libraries, and I hadn't really thought about it because I like having access to everything. But after reading some of the previous comments, I do have to agree that it might be nice to have the option of making a subset of the whole library available for the wife or guests to browse. I have tons of jazz and classical albums that she never puts on, so being able to give her a smaller set to choose from might be nice. In our case, it could just be as simple as allowing a top-level selection (or deselection) of certain multiple genres, before going into the artist/album level. I know you can brows by genre now, but it's one genre at a time. Being able to start at the top and just select or eliminate a group of multiple genres, and then browse, would be useful. The master library is stored centrally, and is always up and available. Keeping track of playlists and favorites is something that we haven't had a problem with in the past, because there were never more than 50 or so of each. But now the number of playlists and favorites is growing, so a means of organizing them (into folders by genre/person/whatever) is something I'm thinking about. I know there are already some plugins out there that might be useful in this regard, but I haven't yet looked into them. I think a simple hierarchical organization for grouping playlists and favorites would be sufficient, just something to keep them all from being jumbled together and having to sift through a long list all at once. We don't need access restrictions, either to specific players or to specific tracks. These days, control is commonly via smartphones (Android), but still sometimes on the players themselves (Touches, Radios and Booms), and the Duet Controllers do still get used from time to time. The IR remotes pretty much never get used. Right now, playing of local music is working very well for our needs. Apart from the increasing pressure to add some kind of organization to the growing number of playlists and favorites (which might be taken care of using existing plugins), we haven't been really yearning for any new functionality. We're pretty vanilla with the system; I haven't even experimented much with the plugins that are out there, because there hasn't seemed to be much need to. One thing I do like is having tracks scrobbled to lastFM; my understanding is that when mysb.com get shut down that will stop. If scrobbling could continue to work, that would be nice. It isn't a critical function, but it is a nicety. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
plympton wrote: If MYSB.com goes away, will it break Pandora? Will it break just the Free services, but the paid accounts will work? Anyone know? It will break every service that needs mysqueezebox.com to work most likely Pandora Will break . The paid services are actually more likely to break as mysb.com proxies passwords and encryption . Paid service providers are very paranoid they are not so likely to support Open source plugins that you can run locally . Triodes spotify plugin is one exception ( it uses libspotify a software binary blob that can be used locally ). Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of online services in your family ?
Pretty much play local music only. Little to none online service usage. Occasional novelty browsing at the most. w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of online services in your family ?
I use qobuz plug-in extensivelly. erland wrote: One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future. I think I streamed by a mistake 2 diff songs to 2 diff devices behind NAT. Did not know this is an issue. The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family. It is really only me who uses the account, the rest of the family does their own things and barely pay attention to what I do with music. I don't think we will ever converge. If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ? If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ? If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ? If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ? N/A Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ? O yes, I do, here are the basics: choice of streaming quality, up to lossless. No lossless - I'm not a customer. correct and rich metadata embeded in tags, including proper classical tags rich search criteria based on metadata db lookups, not tags streaming not only music but also supporting content - booklets, bios, discographies, reviews, etc. cloud for my own cd's or audio files including lossless music marketplace for files and cd's matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
With just me and the wife and with our musical tastes being mostly similar we find that having a single library fits our needs just fine. Central server that is on 24/7 so local music is always available, almost never use online services and players NEVER switch to MySB.com. The usage difference is my wife normally uses the controllers and goes by artist. I prefer the WebUI as I think it's way more robust when looking for something. Plug-in usage is pretty much SQL/Dynamic playlist. We're pretty vanilla in our usage. w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of online services in your family ?
Hi. I'm using wimp, and here there is no problem playing different songs on different players, so I'm not sure that it is not possible in the future to have a similar feature. sbp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of online services in your family ?
MOG also allows more than one simultaneous stream and that's something I've taken advantage of occasionally. Usually I just use it to listen to new albums before I buy them though. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? No, 1 library If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? ReadyNas for all If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? No Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? No Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? No Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? No Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Yes , 5 players available to all, room based. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? 4 controllers for 2 people If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? 2 Duet controllers, 2 android tablets with Logitech Squeezebox controller How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? The only change I would make, today, would be to have multiple Random Play selection lists. Not playlists, or genre limited play. mark wollschlager's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
If MYSB.com goes away, will it break Pandora? Will it break just the Free services, but the paid accounts will work? Anyone know? When mysb.com goes away, _all_ officially supported services will go away. There are a few alternatives available through 3rd party plugins, like Triode's spotify implementation, bandcamp, qobuz, and more could be developed. But mysb.com is still running :-). -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
garym wrote: Not sure about fair or not fair. Businesses make decisions all the time that are good for some and bad for others. Logitech certainly should be held to meeting any legal contractual obligation they have for supporting products they've sold (which might be keeping mysb.com alive for 2 years), but otherwise they can make any decisions they think are best for their shareholders. But I also don't see the worthless argument. First, these devices are not investments. They are products to be used until they don't work any more. And with LMS running on a local PC/NAS, these devices can work for many, many years. With local LMS, I can listen to all my own music, I can listen to internet radio (where I have the URLs saved as favorites), I can use Spotify (with Triode's plugin). If mysb.com shut down tomorrow, I'd lose ability to listen to siriusXM and Pandora and I assume I'd lose the ability to scrobble my played music to last.fm. But I'd have 99% of the benefits I currently have. But the key of course is that I never use mysqueezebox.com as the actual server. I have LMS running on a 24/7 server (vortexbox). I'm so confident of continued benefit from the squeeze system, that I picked up 3 extra Touches and 3 extra radios when they announced the discontinuation. Thanks Gary. Yes, I also use LMS and I definitely appreciate the advantages over msb.com. But, I really enjoy Sirius stations,Slacker,and MOG. Most of my playlists consists of tracks from MOG . So, these would be lost with no msb.com. And ,yes, I believe that Pandora would be lost,too. Oh well, it just seems to me that when LOGITECH sells us a RADIO device (and I have several),that they have a moral and LEGAL obligation to the consumer to support the functionality of that device. It's not like we purchased a dumbbell or a paperweight. The product we purchased is a radio and that radio relies on a signal to be a RADIO. That signal is an implied integral part of that radio which we purchased. I think this would be upheld in court,imho. Butas it stands there are no indications that msb.com is going to be dropped. And so, LOGITECH has not lost my faith and trust. Of course, I am not happy about some lay-offs that I understand that have taken place. That bothers mebut it is one of the unfortunate heartless realities of businesses. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] artifacts/glitches w/FLAC
I am hearing quite a few artifacts / glitches / tiny audible pops when I play FLAC files (example is below). If I play these same files via MPD on the same system I don't hear them. I've reproduced this with just under 10 different files. My system info is also below. It's probably useful to note the decoder (I'm pretty sure it's this one): flac-1.1.2-28.el5_0.1 Here's a file that plays with artifacts: 05 This Messiah Needs Watching.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 16 bit, stereo, 44.1 kHz, 12217464 samples Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.2 - r33893 @ Wed Mar 14 06:31:06 MDT 2012 Hostname: mogwai Server IP Address: 192.168.1.5 Server HTTP Port Number: 9000 Operating system: Red Hat - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.8.8 - x86_64-linux-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) ezekieldas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58214 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
Ikabob wrote: Thanks Gary. Yes, I also use LMS and I definitely appreciate the advantages over msb.com. But, I really enjoy Sirius stations,Slacker,and MOG. Most of my playlists consists of tracks from MOG . So, these would be lost with no msb.com. And ,yes, I believe that Pandora would be lost,too. Oh well, it just seems to me that when LOGITECH sells us a RADIO device (and I have several),that they have a moral and LEGAL obligation to the consumer to support the functionality of that device. It's not like we purchased a dumbbell or a paperweight. The product we purchased is a radio and that radio relies on a signal to be a RADIO. That signal is an implied integral part of that radio which we purchased. I think this would be upheld in court,imho. Butas it stands there are no indications that msb.com is going to be dropped. And so, LOGITECH has not lost my faith and trust. Of course, I am not happy about some lay-offs that I understand that have taken place. That bothers mebut it is one of the unfortunate heartless realities of businesses. I actually bit the bullet a few days ago and dropped my MOG subscription and changed to spotify (so I could use Triode's 3rd party plugin, which works without mysb.com). I figured I might as well get used to spotify. And frankly, I don't have a major investment in playlists, etc. in MOG, as I mostly use it for trying out new music, suggestions from others, etc. before I buy. And I'm assuming that with a new owner (Beats headphones?), MOG's setup will change soon enough anyway. I trust Triode more than MOG! garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Does SB alter bit rate on slow WiFi?
I just noticed my WiFi was running real slow. Rebooted both routers (cable and WiFi). Afterward my music sounded so much better. Could just be phase of the moon ; ) But then I thought just maybe SB alters bit rate when streaming on slow WiFi. Any chance? shacky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31313 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98218 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Your way to a budget player: iPeng back on iOS 4
Thanks You very much for this update. It's nice and easier to operate. boun01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51276 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98214 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] better windows app to control squeezebox
I know this is quite an old thread, but I used info in there to manage a fullscreen skin for squeezeplay, that I think people could be interested in. I found out in this thread that there used to be a fullscreen skin in squeezeplay, and the name of the file to change to re-enable it. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?76548-Squeezeplay-full-screen but the skin wasn't working super nice. So I decided to alter it. Well, I literally took another skin and put it inplace of the fullscreen one, but replaced the skin at its intended size (of 800x600) I also tried at 1024*768 (only change the values in FullscreenSkinApplet) and it worked good, but my intention is to put it on a 800x600 screen. Anyway, here's the files I modified and how it works. Oddly ennough, its all-black-background. I figure some people might like it. +---+ |Filename: FullscreenSkin.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14546| +---+ Marsupial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59182 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeplay full screen
I know this is quite an old thread, but I used info in there to manage a fullscreen skin for squeezeplay, that I think people could be interested in. with the info mentionned here, I could re-enable the fullscreen skin, but the skin wasn't working super nice. So I decided to alter it. Well, I literally took another skin and put it inplace of the fullscreen one, but replaced the skin at its intended size (of 800x600) I also tried at 1024*768 (only change the values in FullscreenSkinApplet) and it worked good, but my intention is to put it on a 800x600 screen. Anyway, here's the files I modified and how it works. Oddly ennough, its all-black-background. I figure some people might like it. +---+ |Filename: FullscreenSkin.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14547| +---+ Marsupial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59182 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76548 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Static Burst - Radio and Duet
Yes I've experienced this and it's really freaky. It's like a 5 second burst of mind numbing white noise and digital glitch. If I had discovered this within 30 days of purchasing my squeezeboxes I might have returned them (and never looked back). It's equally difficult to part with this setup because it fits so well into my existing design. This has happened maybe 3 or 4 times since I brought the SB into my setup. I'm using LMS 7.7.2 on Linux with squeezelite playing to a local amp via SPDIF. I remember digging around these forums and elsewhere for answers on how to fix this or at least a suspected cause. Unfortunately I've not found anything useful. ezekieldas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58214 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98169 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How does synch work? (squeezlite + 2x SB)
My setup is this: LMS 7.7.2 on Linux w/squeezelite out via SPDIF to local amp + 2x SB. The SB are always in synch. However, every other day I have to synch the squeezelite stream with the SB boxen. Naturally there's latency to consider over the wirless connection so that makes sense. BUT what I do not get is: I go to Player - squeezelite - Synchronize - Player Audio Delay (ms) Sometimes I increment sometimes I decrement. There doesn't seem to be any consistent pattern here. Sometimes I adjust Player Start Delay (ms) a bit and that seems to help. Sometimes it doesn't. So my question is how does this work really? Why does this only work when I delay the device with the least latency? Is there anything I can do to keep from having to do this every other day? And lastly, if this is a regular tunable... has anyone automated it via curl or cron based CLI? ezekieldas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58214 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98220 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does SB alter bit rate on slow WiFi?
Not automatically , it's a setting you can turn on with fixed rate limits that you also sets . So moon phases it is :) What happens with slow wifi is that the player buffer runs down and the music quits and you get rebuffering errors on the player . If its on the limit it stutters and you get really obvius problems , not a subtle shift in sound quality. But as long as the network is able to fill the quite large player buffer it will sound the same . You can actually test this turn of the router while listening , possibly in the middle of a song there will be at least 30 seconds in the buffer . If the player is conected by Ethernet you can simply unconnected the cable . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98218 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] artifacts/glitches w/FLAC
What kind of squeezebox are you using or is it a software player like squeezelite ? Or have modded a Touch with TT3 and tiny buffers ( don't ). Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] artifacts/glitches w/FLAC
If it is a real squeezebox is it doing this when playing flac natively or are you transcoding on the server ( don't to that either it's pointless ). Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] More bad news re the future of mysqueezebox.com
garym wrote: I actually bit the bullet a few days ago and dropped my MOG subscription and changed to spotify (so I could use Triode's 3rd party plugin, which works without mysb.com). I figured I might as well get used to spotify. And frankly, I don't have a major investment in playlists, etc. in MOG, as I mostly use it for trying out new music, suggestions from others, etc. before I buy. And I'm assuming that with a new owner (Beats headphones?), MOG's setup will change soon enough anyway. I trust Triode more than MOG! I've also opened a Spotify account, so Triode's plugin is valuable. I rarely use mysb.com directly...and in fact most of the plugins I use appear to be LMS plugins, since blocking mysb.com at my router doesn't affect those I use regularly (it does kill last.fm and the non-Triode Spotify plugin). Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] artifacts/glitches w/FLAC
They are both stock, no mod, SB. The LMS info page shows the info below. However, it's not from either SB where I hear the artifacts, it's from the squeezelite - amp - speaker setup (and no, there are no other issues with this setup). I am not sure if I'm playing natively or transcoding on the server. How could I check that? Player Model: Squeezebox Radio Firmware: 7.7.2-r9663 ezekieldas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58214 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] artifacts/glitches w/FLAC
ezekieldas wrote: They are both stock, no mod, SB. The LMS info page shows the info below. However, it's not from either SB where I hear the artifacts, it's from the squeezelite - amp - speaker setup (and no, there are no other issues with this setup). I am not sure if I'm playing natively or transcoding on the server. How could I check that? Player Model: Squeezebox Radio Firmware: 7.7.2-r9663 EDIT: Is this what you're referring to? This is the page right off my LMS server. http://imgur.com/1MfRnMQ These sounds like Squeezelite questions, you are better off asking them in the Squeezelite thread over in the Unix/linux forum. The developer, Triode, will see it better there. When you ask these questions it's best to carefully describe your setup, for example, server version vxxx is running on computer model, with OS xyz, Mention whether Squeezelite is running on the same computer as the server or a different computer, if it's a different computer mention what that computer is, what the OS is etc. If it's a separate computer is it connected to the server via ethernet cable or WiFi. What arguments are you using when starting Squeezelite. How do you get the audio signal out of the computer? Is it a sound card plugged into the computer, a headphone jack on a laptop, a S/PDIF output from the computer or a soundcard etc. Be as explicit as you can. Basically supplying as much information as you can in the first post will help the experts zero in on the situation quicker. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
