Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
w3wilkes wrote: I have 2 Duets so ickstream does nothing to turn my crank at this time. This appears to be more along the lines with giving those (with selected devices) that use streaming services another option from MySB.com since MySB will die eventually. For those of us that use SB almost exclusively to just listen to our own ripped CD's this doesn't appear to offer much. You might be right if you fulfill all the following criterias: - Exclusively is interested in using Squeezebox hardware (from Logitech or third parties like Community Squeeze project) - Exclusively is interested to play local music - Exclusively is interested to manage the local music with LMS running on a computer/NAS - Are 100% satisfied with how your current Squeezebox system works - Have no interest in music discovery features outside your local library (except for what's provided through third party plugins for LMS) - Have no interest in social related features and integration with your friends (except for what's provided through third party plugins for LMS) - Is satisfied with the remote control features provided by the existing Squeezebox remote control apps for smart phone/tablets (or any new apps you think third party developers will bring to the table in the future) The current Squeezebox system with LMS for local music is not bad, it's is and will continue to be very good as long as you fulfill the above criterias. w3wilkes wrote: I do find it curious that ickstream has chosen to support some SB devices directly with a future possibility of maybe doing some proxy method through SB server to support other SB devices. This seems like a duplication of work, especially when I'd bet that the non directly supported SB devices would be the majority of the SB audience. I'm fairly sure the Squeezebox Radio/Touch devices are a lot more popular than you seem to think they are. The proxy solution also introduce some extra technical complexity which results in that it requires more work to implement since it doesn't fit perfectly with how ickStream is supposed to work. If there are some third party developers interested to use ickStream together with older devices, they will probably implement support for the older devices even if we wouldn't be able to prioritize it ourselves, this is what an open system is all about. However, we are hearing what people say and will take it under consideration, but we can't promise anything at the moment. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Qobuz plugin incorrenctly reports that music cannot be streamed.
mherger wrote: My qobuz plugin sometimes reports that an album is unavailable for streaming to my Squeezebox classic when I can stream it to my computer via the qobuz desktop. This has happened for J.S. Bach: Die Kunst der Fuge, BWV 1080 Artist -- Davitt Moroney, and for Ludwig van Beethoven : Variations Diabelli, Artist -- Andreas Staier. In which country are you living? We have seen such differences in the past. Unfortunately the desktop isn't using the same API as is publicly available. I can look in to this particular case. But I can't promise it can be resolved... -- Michael Thanks for respondng. I'm in the UK. mandryka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98722 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
+ another :) kesa32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59780 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: ...Any way as of late last week I have a working DAC test board with all the actual parts I will be using, and I can program the registers on the DAC chip. How do I put this, with the right parameters and tweaked just right it is literally spine tingling. I was listening to this with a friend yesterday, when it got dialed in just right I was literally getting goose bumps listening to music through this. This is way better than I ever dared to hope. It's going to take awhile to get this out to you all, but it is definitely going to be worth it. John S. My ears are salivating :) Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Do you have any pics to share John? Would love to see the project evolution in action :-) Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Have followed thread with interest. Squeezebox has changed the way myself and several friends now listen to our music. Thank you to everyone involved in this project. Looks like it will improve on the squeezebox experience. bigblackdog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37719 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Qobuz plugin incorrenctly reports that music cannot be streamed.
My qobuz plugin sometimes reports that an album is unavailable for streaming to my Squeezebox classic when I can stream it to my computer via the qobuz desktop. This has happened for J.S. Bach: Die Kunst der Fuge, BWV 1080 Artist -- Davitt Moroney, and for Ludwig van Beethoven : Variations Diabelli, Artist -- Andreas Staier. I investigated the data, and it's probably just the kind of unclear data we've seen in the past: sometimes an album would be flagged as streamable, but the tracks are flagged as _not_ streamable. In this case only 4 tracks out of the full album are flagged playable. Go figure... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: How do I put this, with the right parameters and tweaked just right it is literally spine tingling. I was listening to this with a friend yesterday, when it got dialed in just right I was literally getting goose bumps listening to music through this. This is way better than I ever dared to hope. It's going to take awhile to get this out to you all, but it is definitely going to be worth it. John S. John, I know your postings have been quite sober until now. If you now express this level of enthusiasm, then the future of the CS is indeed bright. Those of us who are merely potential users of your efforts -- and of those who are working with you at all the various aspects involved -- owe you all an enormous debt of gratitude. Cheering from the sidelines may be all some of us can do at this time, but I want to say it loud: BRAVO! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Community Squeeze
kesa32 wrote: Hi ,l'll be interested in Gen2 when it is released ( i could go Gen1 now , but my USB Dac is'nt as good as John's , so i'll wait for the final product l reckon ) Gen1 doesn't exist yet either ;-D See the FAQ for details, but John is working on a board called SWAMP05 at the moment to prove the concept and test the DAC. HTH CW Chunkywizard's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98521 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Qobuz plugin incorrenctly reports that music cannot be streamed.
mandryka wrote: Hi everyone My qobuz plugin sometimes reports that an album is unavailable for streaming to my Squeezebox classic when I can stream it to my computer via the qobuz desktop. This has happened for J.S. Bach: Die Kunst der Fuge, BWV 1080 Artist -- Davitt Moroney, and for Ludwig van Beethoven : Variations Diabelli, Artist -- Andreas Staier. Any ideas how this can be fixed? I'm using the plugin described here http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97146-Qobuz-com-streaming-plugin I have a similar issue with http://www.qobuz.com/album/andrew-manze-richard-egarr-jaap-ter-linden-js-bach-violin-sonatas/0093046725020, it streams fine via desktop. Qobuz streamable metadata is not very consistent, sometime there are 2 editions of the same work with diff attributes. I will write an email to them about above album, maybe they will fix it, if you want, you can email about yours as well, help them a little. matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98722 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
erland wrote: I'm fairly sure the Squeezebox Radio/Touch devices are a lot more popular than you seem to think they are. However, we are hearing what people say and will take it under consideration, but we can't promise anything at the moment. After first seeing this thread, I did a quick inventory of the SB devices I have, but then thought not to post. But maybe that was the wrong decision. Not that a single voice makes a difference except maybe it'll encourage others (or you ickStream guys can discourage it, if you think it is not appropriate here). I have 9 players, all of which were in use at one point (multiple residences): 1xSB1, 3xSB2, 2xBoom, 1xSB3, 1xDuet, 1xTouch. I was using the SB1 until about 2 weeks ago, when I swapped it with the Touch (again, due to the discussion in this thread). The Duet Controller and the Touch are my least favorite devices of the bunch, because they operate differently (thanks to their displays). The Controller screen is just too small: it is much easier to use iPeng (which I typically use on an iPad mini, sometimes on an iPod Touch or even an iPhone). The Touch is okay as a desktop player, but across a room the older hardware is easier to read (IMHO, of course). Even at the desk, I prefer the IR remote for direct access to functions (I haven't looked at reconfiguring the Now Playing screen much). I use Triode's Spotify plugin. I prefer it over the Spotify app (as in iPad/iPhone/iPod app) just because I can send the music to a set of speakers with it (i.e. playback on an SB device). AirPlay is more difficult to work with, although with an Apple TV you can get close: you are just missing the convenient display that doesn't require picking up the table to look at iPeng. (Also, I really don't want to turn on a large screen just for music information display.) My Denon receiver also has AirPlay, but using it almost always hangs the receiver after the first disconnect (when it doesn't hang, it insists that it is in use by another device), so it is best avoided. I also use Pandora. I initially used it on my computer (with PandaBar), but I'm happier with it on a Squeezebox. When something grabs my attention, it is never at the beginning of the song (when the notification would be on my screen), but with a Squeezebox I can read the artist and song info any time during the song (without reaching for another device, either). I've recently looked at alternatives to Pandora (just in case it stops working on the LMS; otherwise I love the selections their algorithms come up with). The Smart Mix plugin based on the Echo Nest has proven rather nice, especially since it is mixing both my own and Spotify's library. The advanced interface is busy, but resulting playlists have been quite good. I also run mserv (+ icecast) to produce a ratings-based (multi-user) stream, which can be listened to on Squeezeboxes as well as other players. This could be implemented as an endless playlist on LMS, as well, if LMS had ratings for multiple users. Using ickStream on a Touch should work for the following requirements: - information display readily available - mix music from my own library and streaming services Don't know if ickStream would support the following: - playback of a private stream (although LMS can do this by itself) - scrobbling to Last.fm (currently all my sources scrobble when used via LMS) Being able to use ickStream in only one location (on only one of my players) would place hard considerations on its cost. (In comparison, Spotify and Pandora work everywhere for me.) As for other hardware, only the Turtle Beach AudioTron comes close to Squeezebox for convenience on a regular stereo system. I only first bought SB hardware when the AT was killed. Of the non-display devices the Apple TV works best for me, but I only really use it for video. And unfortunately it still doesn't support apps. The Roku 2XS is slow and the SB app cannot compete with iPeng. (However, the Plex app is nice.) I don't think the WDTV talks to LMS. The D-Link BoxeeBox is also dead (and probably didn't have LMS support, either; at least I didn't have it installed). kimmos's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39137 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
kimmos wrote: After first seeing this thread, I did a quick inventory of the SB devices I have, but then thought not to post. But maybe that was the wrong decision. Not that a single voice makes a difference except maybe it'll encourage others (or you ickStream guys can discourage it, if you think it is not appropriate here). ... Feedback like your post is very valuable, especially since you explained how you use your Squeezebox today and what you like and don't like about different Squeezebox features and alternative solutions. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
erland wrote: You might be right if you fulfill all the following criterias: - Exclusively is interested in using Squeezebox hardware (from Logitech or third parties like Community Squeeze project) - Exclusively is interested to play local music - Exclusively is interested to manage the local music with LMS running on a computer/NAS - Are 100% satisfied with how your current Squeezebox system works - Have no interest in music discovery features outside your local library (except for what's provided through third party plugins for LMS) - Have no interest in social related features and integration with your friends (except for what's provided through third party plugins for LMS) - Is satisfied with the remote control features provided by the existing Squeezebox remote control apps for smart phone/tablets (or any new apps you think third party developers will bring to the table in the future) 99% of the music I play is local music, I use both old and new SB hardware,I manage LMS with my computer, very satisfied with how my SBs work, have a number of plugins very little interest in music discovery features outside my local library(getting Radio Paradise would be good but not essential), I stay away from social media other than forums, I am satisfied with the SB remote (don't use cell phones, tablets etc at all). I hope you will realize that many users are not interested in the bells and whistles they want to list mostly to their own tunes not be spoon fed by services (that are often lower quality) SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
SlimChances wrote: I hope you will realize that many users are not interested in the bells and whistles they want to list mostly to their own tunes not be spoon fed by services (that are often lower quality) I think there are all categories: - Users who only is interested in local music - Users who want to own most of their music and have it locally but is interested to use online streaming services for music discovery and music they can't justify buying - Users who mostly is interested in online streaming services but have a small local library with music which aren't available on the online streaming service - Users who only is interested in online streaming services The first variant is probably not that interested in a cloud based solution, they have probably already now removed the mysqueezebox.com settings in their LMS installation (if they have even registered on mysqueezebox.com) and is already today using LMS as a standalone setup without any dependencies to internet. I think it will be hard to convince such users to use a cloud based solution, especially if they aren't interested in any bells and whistles and is satisfied with their current Squeezebox setup. All market trend reports I've seen indicates that physical music sales is going down and mobile music and streaming services are going up. I think it can partly be an age thing, I think a lot of people above 40 who already have a big local collection haven't seen the potential and usefulness of online streaming services yet. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: How do I put this, with the right parameters and tweaked just right it is literally spine tingling. I was listening to this with a friend yesterday, when it got dialed in just right I was literally getting goose bumps listening to music through this. . I am actually salivating and dribbling all over my keyboard reading this, cannot wait to get my hands on one. Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
I have a little more time to add some more detail. These listening sessions were not used as a squeezebox, I had the DAC board connected to an existing XMOS based USB input board which was sending data to my board. I had done a lot of work to try and isolate things with proper ground plane use etc with the hope that issues such as USB cables and different power supplies would have little effect. As far as cables went it worked. We tried different USB cables on other XMOS input DACs and found significant sonic degradation with some cables, with the new system, there was very little change with any cable. BUT the power supply sensitivity still seemed to be there. Switching from a Touch supply to one of my good linear supplies made a significant difference. Still no idea exactly WHY. The switching supply is not BAD, it still sounds quite good, WAY WAY better than a Touch, but with my linear supply it went from really really good to WOW! This is a little disapointing to me, I had been trying to design something that would work just as well no matter what the PS input. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
So make a product available containing a good internal linear power supply. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
I think age demographic plays a lot into it. We are Rhapsody subscribers. I use it now and then to try out new music. My 9 year old daughter uses is all of the time. We use it at home. It would be great to use on the go, but I'm not ready to take on another monthly bill in the form of a cell phone data plan. With what I already pay for cable internet, satellite TV, netflix, Rhapsody, etc., I'll stick with my old fashioned feature phone to make the occasional cell phone call. I can load up more music than I could need on my 64GB micro SD card in my android mp3 player, or on my 80 GB iPod. maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Should ickstream not support older devices like the Transporter ,I will have to sadly attach a Sonos Connect to it for music services since it does have digital ins outs I'd love to support your effort monetarily but that's the way I will go. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeeze FAQ
FAQ is now at: http://www.communitysqueeze.org/faq.jsp the PDF will no longer be maintained. CW Chunkywizard's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98653 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote: So make a product available containing a good internal linear power supply. Or, a separate (optimal/linear) power supply as an option. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
guidof wrote: Or, offer a separate (optimal/linear) power supply as an option. Guido F. Or recommend some existing, available units. I don't think John should be bothered with making/providing PSUs. Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!
Meridion wrote: Frequently I'm using Squeeze Commander because it displays track ratings in the 'now playing' screen. The stars are touchable to change the rating. I found out that in Orange Squeeze, ratings can be changed in the pop-up list of the cover art. But this is too complicated and too well hidden for my listening behaviour... I would appreciate having the song rating displayed either in the playlist(s) and/or the 'no playing' screen... Ratings? Why Ratings? Yours? I only have a couple of thousand CD's but I know what I like... BFL! banned for life's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
I would want to add a bit of perspective regarding the device support. The question about which devices to start with is really not one about which devices we want to favor or something like that. Myself, I regularly use 6 Squeezeboxes (plus a number of iThingies with iPeng as a player, but all but one of those are mainly really being used as mobile players and the one exception sitting in a dock currently is my ickStream player :) And plus some test devices, e.g. a Radio converted to UE). Of these 6 devices one is a Radio one is a Touch and all others are ip3k devices (2x Classic, 1x Boom, 1x Transporter), So for my actual listening, I will need a solution for these old devices as much as anybody else here and I really hope it will be there. And soon. However, ickStream is not just a plugin for LMS to replace MySB, it's a whole different system and while it comes with moderate effort to support LMS as a music source and while the Squeezeplay based players are easy to adapt because they use a powerful and open platform, that's not true of the ip3k devices. Putting a software on them is not an option, we don't even have a software toolkit for that (and it would be prohibitively expensive) plus the memory on these devices is so tight that adding ickStream inevitably would mean removing some of the Squeezebox related functionality. So the only way to get these devices supported is by running them as Squeezebox devices and making LMS the ickStream Player. This is not impossible, the UPnP plugin in LMS actually does something very similar, but it's a bit against our architecture which is why it's simply not the thing to start with. One of our basic ideas is to have more independent devices and this simply fits the new Squeezeboxes better, so they come first. I am pretty convinced we will have a solution for ip3k devices, too. Actually I rely on it. But we don't have infinite time and resources so we have to start with _something_ and there the old players simply are not step 1 on the to-do-list. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
