As junien stated:
We are much more interested in extending the current technology to new
hardware products and new markets.
I hope to see that SB WiFi Boombox full of knobs and whistles!
I also think that the increased product visibility will put a strain on
SD's support and this
junien;147441 Wrote:
Actually I am not sure I see a dicotomy between tech-led development and
user-friendliness. In fact I was personally impressed about the ease of
installation and of use of my Squeezebox. The user interface of the
Slim Server could probably become more consumer oriented.
I think one has to keep in mind that we're talking about a market space
(bringing digital media to the living room) that is still in its
infancy. SD is clearly leading at this point, and from Logitech's
point of view $20M is a pretty small investment to make sure they keep
the lead on their
I was just getting ready to order a Transporter, but now I am quite
hesitant. My concerns?
1. Will we continue to see the release of dailies, timely updates
and bug fixes or will this turn into a rare firmware upgrade once every
blue moon? Will these frequent updates (usually created as a
I think the trepidation you have shouldn't stop you from buying a Transporter. Why? Because even if they never release another update to Slimserver, you have a working product. This product works with FLAC. I certainly hope Slim keeps up with the excellent work they have been doing, but if they
As nicketynick said, the connected digital home is on the radar for many
CE and computer hardware firms (including ones you might not expect).
That said, the SB3 is really the only reasonable choice for audiophiles
who support open compression formats. Hopefully this acquisition will
enable SD
Jetlag;147847 Wrote:
I was just getting ready to order a Transporter, but now I am quite
hesitant. My concerns?
1. Will we continue to see the release of dailies, timely updates
and bug fixes or will this turn into a rare firmware upgrade once every
blue moon? Will these frequent
On 10/19/06, Jetlag
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2. DRM - I don't own and iPod or Zune because of it (nor do I use
iTunes, Rhapsody, etc as I refuse to pay $1 for a lossy crappy sounding
MP3 song | Your opinion may be different). I don't illegally trade or
sell my music, but once I buy a CD, I
I dont see much future for a Transporter under the Logitech brand
either, but market wise there is a lot that can happen between the SB3
and Transporter price points, I do like my SB3 but there are a few
things I wouldnt mind seeing implemented. An LCD instead of the VFD for
one, or the other way
Even if they do remove FLAC support (which I tend to doubt), you still have a working product now -- just don't download version 8.5 (or whatever one removes the feature that you want)...
On 10/19/06, Robert_W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jetlag;147847 Wrote: I was just getting ready to order a
Jetlag;147847 Wrote:
I was just getting ready to order a Transporter, but now I am quite
hesitant. My concerns?
1. Will we continue to see the release of dailies, timely updates
and bug fixes or will this turn into a rare firmware upgrade once every
blue moon? Will these frequent updates
Robert_W;147854 Wrote:
Here hereexactly.
FLAC support? What'll you bet it goes away real quick?
I've read all 16 pages now and have yet to see any one from SD or
Logitech address specifics.
Please give us all some reasurance that the things that make these
audio products great
sorenson;147856 Wrote:
An LCD instead of the VFD for one
Good God, why? That's one of the best things about the Squeezebox!
Other manufacturers don't use ones this large because they feel they
are too expensive. In fact I believe I read that the display is the
highest-cost component in the
I periodically look at the forums but rarely post so just saw this
announcement. Went thru all 17 pages and only saw one person concerned
about the future of Squeeze Network. I use SN alot and woudl be very
disappointed and pd off if somewhere down the road we lost the SN
or ability to
mzpro5;147872 Wrote:
I periodically look at the forums but rarely post so just saw this
announcement. Went thru all 17 pages and only saw one person concerned
about the future of Squeeze Network. I use SN alot and woudl be very
disappointed and pd off if somewhere down the road we lost
jeffluckett;147863 Wrote:
Just curious ... but what motivation would Logitech have for dropping
FLAC support???
If, for example, Logitech negotiates licensing terms for the WMA codec
that charges them per codec supported by the device, then it is in
their finincial interests to reduce the
It's not anything definitive, but yesterday when someone expressed concern that Slim would stop supporting Linux, Sean tried to reassure them by pointing out that Squeezenetwork itself runs on Linux. That comment would be a little misleading if Sean knew that there were plans to kill off
mzpro5;147872 Wrote:
Can Sean or Dan or someone from Logitech address conserns about Squeeze
Network's future?
I was just about to ask the same question.
About half of my SB use is via SN. I even paid for a Pandora account so
I could listen to it on my SB via SN.
Of course, even before
jeffluckett;147863 Wrote:
Just curious ... but what motivation would Logitech have for dropping
FLAC support???
Just hypothetical but lets say..
When one big corporate entity, IE the RIAA decides that maybe DRM is
the way to go, then they put pressure, or go into cohoots with
This is bad news - the worst. Every Logitech product I have ever bought
has been garbage - badly made, dummed down to the lowest possible build
cost and it will only be a matter of time before the rot migrates across
to the Squeezebox and SlimServer. And don't get me started on Logitech
support.
Mark Norton;147896 Wrote:
This is bad news - the worst. Every Logitech product I have ever bought
has been garbage - badly made, dummed down to the lowest possible build
cost and it will only be a matter of time before the rot migrates across
to the Squeezebox and SlimServer. And don't get
Congrats, I hope you can use the large company power to get more people
using sqeezeboxen. Every time I goto a store and see a Roku, I think..
I wish the squeezebox was on the shelf next to it
I hope you don't end up like the poor guys at empeg. After
SonicBlue/Rio/DM were done with them,
CatBus;147877 Wrote:
If, for example, Logitech negotiates licensing terms for the WMA codec
that charges them per codec supported by the device, then it is in
their finincial interests to reduce the number of supported codecs as
much as possible. I have no idea if such terms exist, but it
FLAC support is here to stay.
SqueezeNetwork is here to stay.
Linux/Unix support is here to stay.
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Jetlag;147847 Wrote:
I was just getting ready to order a Transporter, but now I am quite
hesitant. My concerns?
1. Will we continue to see the release of dailies, timely updates
and bug fixes or will this turn into a rare firmware upgrade once every
blue moon? Will these frequent
Wow, that's not my experience at all. I've had several mice from them and one webcam, and all of them performed well and were good values for the money. Not sure about support since I've never had to call it for my Logitech products.
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wrote:This is bad
I don't think the RIAA really worries much about FLAC. If they were go to go after anything, it would be MP3. FLAC is used by so few people that I doubt it's causing anyone to lose any sleep.
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jeffluckett;147863 Wrote: Just curious ... but what
While Slim Devices probably has the best solutions overall from a
technical standpoint (especially now with their true audiophile player)
that they're nowhere near the top of market with sales. I'd imagine
Roku, Apple (Airport Express), Linksys, etc. have the bottom end
covered, and Sonos,
Dan Sully;147909 Wrote:
FLAC support is here to stay.
SqueezeNetwork is here to stay.
Linux/Unix support is here to stay.
Come on Dan...stop sitting on the fence!!
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ModelCitizen;147905 Wrote:
As for SqueezeNetwork... I really would not get too attached to this.
It's almost inevitable that it will disappear or not change at all. It
doesn't make any money and it's not generally a reason anyone buys a
Squeezebox.
MC
Don't kid yourself, SN is here to
On reflection I'm dissappointed about all this, but to a certain extent
I don't know why.
What I have always loved about the Squeezebox is that it married my
interest in music and hi-fi with my love of IT. This was then made
even stronger by the fact that I could read the source and understand
Jetlag;147912 Wrote:
My top 3 concerns for Logitech/Slim Devices:
1. Will SS remain an integral part of Infrant's Frontview OS in
their ReadyNAS line? ***this is critical for me***
Only Infrant can answer that one...
2. FLAC support in perpetuity (unless something better AND also
Kyle;147517 Wrote:
Junien, how long before we see a DJ-type remote for the Squeezebox?
I agree with a little elaboration.
A new packaged deal with a Squeezebox IV (a SqueezeBox encased in a
Transporter style enclosure), with an enhanced DJ Music System style
remote (The Harmony 1000 is way
This acquisition makes sense. I have experienced acquisitions that
didnt (most of them).
Why yes:
1) The acquisition price seems reasonable. I have seen over the top to
a point to weaken the buyer.
2) Logitech acquired state of the art, proven products (not a given in
an acquisition)
Not a bad price
http://blog.wired.com/music/2006/10/slim_devices_ac.html
Slim Devices founder and CEO Sean Adams will still be in charge of the
products -- which might become household names with Logitech's strong
distribution channels and marketing budget.
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But what happens when you can no longer buy a
physical CD and we're all having to download our media digitally?
Then I quit buying music. Sad, but that is what I will do.
Kevin
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Every Logitech product I have ever bought has been garbage
This has not been my experience. I use a wireless bluetooth headset
daily (and people tell me they can't tell I'm using it, the quality
is so good) and several Logitech wireless game controllers (and my 8
year old son isn't always a
ModelCitizen;147905 Wrote:
I bet you that terms like this probably do not exist in written format,
but that they do exist. And this is a big worry. I am certain that it
would be easier to aquire a license for Apple/MS stuff if you did not
accommodate the opposition (open source and free flac
FLAC support is here to stay.
Hurrah!
SqueezeNetwork is here to stay.
Hurrah! (#2)
Linux/Unix support is here to stay.
Hurrah! (#3)
We're certainly a fretful bunch, aren't we? ;-)
Thanks, though.
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1. Will SS remain an integral part of Infrant's Frontview OS in
their ReadyNAS line? ***this is critical for me***
I suspect a lot of that is up to Infrant, not SlimDevices (or Logitech).
Kevin
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I see the logo has already incorporated the Logitech name:
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html
It has begun...
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Jetlag;147912 Wrote:
2. FLAC support in perpetuity (unless something better AND also free
comes along in the interim)?
With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just
rip to WAV files and not worry about FLAC?
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Well, Sean and the boys cashed out. I'm disappointed, but not surprised.
Good for them. Better to take the offer now before the SB shipments
drop off after even more media-server products are released this
quarter at half or a third of the SB price. Slim Devices' exit was
never going to be an
PhilNYC;147964 Wrote:
With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just rip
to WAV files and not worry about FLAC?
Still they don´t give away free HDs and tagging, replaygain and other
things and this is OT here.
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Even if the digital music is lossless and not DRMed? If so, what is the rationale? I'm just curious -- not trying to be argumentative.On 10/19/06, Kevin O. Lepard
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But what happens when you can no longer buy aphysical CD and we're all having to download our media
shabbs;147963 Wrote:
I see the logo has already incorporated the Logitech name:
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html
It has begun...
Yeah, I saw that.
I saved their old logo from my SlimServer page just for old times'
sake:
I don't think Logitech would be selling $1k Harmony remotes if the only market they cared about was $99 players...On 10/19/06, thaumaturge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, Sean and the boys cashed out. I'm disappointed, but not surprised.
Good for them. Better to take the offer now before the SB
But what happens when you can no longer buy a physical CD
and we're all having to download our media digitally?
Then I quit buying music. Sad, but that is what I will do.
Even if the digital music is lossless and not DRMed? If so, what
is the rationale? I'm just curious -- not trying to
PhilNYC;147964 Wrote:
With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just rip
to WAV files and not worry about FLAC?
because you can't properly tag a wav track.
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PhilNYC;147964 Wrote:
With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just rip
to WAV files and not worry about FLAC?
How about tagging? A massive music collection isn't very useful
without tags. Unless of course you want your audio gear to function
like a Shuffle!
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You could be right that they will go that route and try to force people into DRM. I can't imagine them getting rid of CDs and then not giving us a lossless option, but I can definitely seem them trying to force us down the DRM path.
However, I have a feeling that in the long run fair use will win
Well, I don't whether to be happy or sad Come to think of it I feel
it's more disappointment.
I too hope that the big company ethos doesn't bleed over into Slim
Devices, but somehow really have to try to convince myself of this.
All I ask (like most on here) is that the current relationship
Dan Sully;147909 Wrote:
FLAC support is here to stay.
SqueezeNetwork is here to stay.
Linux/Unix support is here to stay.
I believe that you mean this. But -- and I don't mean this to be harsh
-- the whole problem with a buyout like this is that you're no longer in
a position to make these
Mitch Harding I don't think Logitech would be selling $1k Harmony
remotes if the only
market they cared about was $99 players...
While I didn't say $99 players was the only market they cared about,
this is the market they play in well. Lots of companies have a
flagship or 'flyer' product like
I'm also not sure to be happy or sad. But my experience from 25 years in
consumer electronics tends to move me in the not happy direction. Anyone
remember Infinity before Harmon took over or JBL, or Mark Levinson?? and
Harmon is an electronics company. Many examples of high'er end
companies that
I'm sure you all agree that Sean and his team, know their product, and
what is best for the product's expansion, and their personal pockets.
They would have investigated Logitech , and Logitech's experience with
take overs of this type, plus they also know what it takes to expand
their business,
People are already talking about a new remote, which would be nice,
however this opens up a whole new can of worms itself...
Unless it's a IR based device (limited functionality and not what
people want) or just a fancy Logitech/SD branded web tablet (i.e. a
crippled 770), it's going to have to
With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just
rip to WAV files and not worry about FLAC?
erm ... cos FLAC has tags ... and if you save 40% of hard disk space ...
FLAC does make a difference when you have lots of tracks ...
Some things that may happen now that i am thinking in a bad mood somehow
(not related to this thread)
1) If something like the Transporter don´t sell in high enough numbers
- goodbye
2) Adressing issues only concern some, when the crowd of users grow to
logitech niveau - goodbye
3) If the
autopilot;147990 Wrote:
I wonder how the Sonos boardroom have taken this news. Laughing or
crying? The Cred-O-Meter(tm) has just swung massively in thier
direction judging by most peoples reactions.
It depends which direction Slim goes now. If they want to take on
Sonos one-on-one,
Logitech are taking a bit of a risk with SD since Slimserver is GPL -
they have only bought IPR to the SB firmware/hardware and possibly
Squeezenetwork.
If users don't like the direction Logitech takes, it is quite possible
for a small startup to make new Next generation/High end Squeezeboxes -
just tell us first if you're gonna start putting rootkits and stuff in
the software, unkay?
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Skunk;148006 Wrote:
just tell us first if you're gonna start putting rootkits and stuff in
the software, unkay?
Maybe then we'll have to start calling the company Fat Devices.
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TiredLegs;148008 Wrote:
Maybe then we'll have to start calling the company Fat Devices.
Or Sony Devices.
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Congratulations to Sean and all of the Slim team. Also congratulations
to Logitech for another great acquisition. If Logitech can repeat the
success of the Harmony acquisition we will all be off for it.
The success of the company will also be very dependent on the support
of the open source
cliveb;147654 Wrote:
This is bang on the mark. The high-end audio marketplace is *extremely*
badge-sensitive, and the Transporter branded as a Logitech product will
not sell, period.
You see IMHO this is just not true at all. The biggest audiophile
community I am aware of is head-fi: the
Howard Darwen;147992 Wrote:
With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just
rip to WAV files and not worry about FLAC?
erm ... cos FLAC has tags ... and if you save 40% of hard disk space
...
FLAC does make a difference when you have lots of tracks ...
Just heard the news so am of course quite late to the discussion. Read
most of the posts and can see many different futures ahead for SD and
Logitech but to my mind the most likely is that Logitech will create a
good or perhaps very good music device - with a much larger market.
Slim Devices had
Reading some of the posts in this thread, you'd believe that it was
Wall-Mart, and not Logitech, that bought Slimdevices.
IMO, its very interesting that Logitech wants to branch off in the a/v
business.
Maybe Logitech should model themselves on the car industry: have one
brand for
My experience dealing with Slim Devices has been nothing but a customer
service and technical support pleasure.
My experience dealing with Logitech has been nothing but a customer
service and technical support hassle.
I own recent products from both companies; I guess the dream ride is
over.
Quicken;148013 Wrote:
You see IMHO this is just not true at all. The biggest audiophile
community I am aware of is head-fi: the kind of place people will spend
thousands of dollars on a set of headphones (take your pick on the
brand), hundreds of dollars on a headphone amp, a thousand
On 10/19/06, Nostromo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reading some of the posts in this thread, you'd believe that it wasWall-Mart, and not Logitech, that bought Slimdevices.
+1. There are have been a large number of simply obnoxious posts the last few days from some people who have somehow associated
Well said, Ben.
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Can I get my bug/issue fixed now!!
Now that SD has access to more resources!! :-)
live long and prosper!!
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Congrats to the Slim team. I just hope they will stay a bit when all
their options will be vested... I have been through 4 acquisitions and
have never seen anything good coming out of them. Sure, I made some
cash but lost a lot of pride.
Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware
How hard it would be for Sean to take the money, go back to his garage
and design another cool toy?
And we still would have been left with our working boxes and SlimServer
software to play with...
Logitech must keep Sean (and the SD team) happy for a while. Otherwise,
the acquisition does not
Well I can't blame you from a business perspective, I'd do the same. I
guess most people here, including me, would be concerned that larger
company attitudes and needs to satisfy shareholders will result in
cost-cutting to equipment we've grown to know and love.
This applies most directly I
Congrats, Slimdevices employees. I can only hope this acquisition made
your day, year, lifetime.
Personally, my heart sinks on this news. I'll adopt a wait-and-see on
the Logitech embraces open-source model. Corporations have a great
way of killing statements like that.
deep, heavy, sigh,
CardinalFang;147404 Wrote:
Well I can't blame you from a business perspective, I'd do the same. I
guess most people here, including me, would be concerned that larger
company attitudes and needs to satisfy shareholders will result in
cost-cutting to equipment we've grown to know and love.
CardinalFang;147404 Wrote:
This applies most directly I would say to the Transporter, where a great
deal of the appeal lies in the concept of high-engineering ideals and
selective component control. Will it now start to be built in the Far
East and standards drop?
We actually do much of our
Hi Junien -
Perhaps you could also give the Logitech take on the open source
approach? Most folks around these parts (myself included) believe that
it's a major strength of the Slim Devices portfolio, and at this time
could be concerned about the direction Logitech may take.
Thanks
Chippy
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junien;147410 Wrote:
Logitech will bring its global distribution and marketing capabilities,
providing a jump start to a large visibility and adoption of Slim
Devices products.Junien
In that case, I would guess that in order to match the higher profile
and wider consumer appeal that you
seanadams;147420 Wrote:
We actually do much of our higher complexity manufacturing in Asia
already, while final assembly, quality control, and kitting take place
in Mountain View. That won't change immediately, but as we grow we will
take advantage of Logitech's manufacturing capabilities.
I can't blame you for doing this, but i too am very worried.
So please now please dispense with the vague PR speak, and please be as
up front and honest as you can - how is this actually going to work?
1) Will Logitech just own the company, with Slim Devices operating as a
separate entity? Or
Chippy;147422 Wrote:
Hi Junien -
Perhaps you could also give the Logitech take on the open source
approach? Most folks around these parts (myself included) believe that
it's a major strength of the Slim Devices portfolio, and at this time
could be concerned about the direction Logitech may
Logitech makes speakers? I did not know that. Maybe they will purchase
Magnepan next. Ok - that was a cheap shot.
I hope the high-end 'tude of the Slime Devices product line is not
going to be lost in the hail of boom-boxes at Fry's Electronics.
-Ron
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seanadams;147420 Wrote:
Transporter...fits quite well with their recent trend towards higher-end
AV products - for example, the Harmony 1000.
Please say that the Harmony 1000 touch screen will incorporate album
views and music selection from SS; or, link up TP with the DJ-style
remote!!!
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Here in Europe, Logitech is best known for their mouses (OK, the best so
far), trackball and other products like PC speakers, MP3 accessories,
etc. All but high end audio !
So, how can a truly audiophile product like the Transporter be matching
with such a company !? I've just adviced the
CardinalFang wrote:
In that case, I would guess that in order to match the higher profile
and wider consumer appeal that you would want to acquire, products like
SlimServer have to break out of the more tech-led user base it has so
far and develop a more consumer-friendly look and feel?
I
Let's be fair to Sean, Slim, and Logitech. It seems premature to
complain at this stage. Clarion's aquisition of McIntosh didn't wreck
their product line, after all. I'm willing to keep an open mind.
If bad things start to happen, then I'll complain.
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CardinalFang;147427 Wrote:
In that case, I would guess that in order to match the higher profile
and wider consumer appeal that you would want to acquire, products like
SlimServer have to break out of the more tech-led user base it has so
far and develop a more consumer-friendly look and
When i saw this thread i had to make sure it wasn't April 1st.
Well done to Sean and the rest of the SlimDevices guys.
Logitech are going to work hard to maintain the extremely loyal
following of many of the contributors on these forums.
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junien;147431 Wrote:
Chippy,
Thanks for asking this. Logitech is not new to development communities.
We have successfully managed one for our gaming products, with many fans
and loyal contributors. We know that it's people like you that can bring
innovation, support and credibility to
I feel the same way. I had some trepidation initially, but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Now I still need to somehow get the money for a Transporter. :)
On 10/18/06, Cleve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's be fair to Sean, Slim, and Logitech.It seems premature tocomplain at this
And the biggest Avatar already has... ;)
Well i don´t see a problem in general but can´t imagine going to my
fellow telling him: Hey, i heard a Logitech audiobox that sounds
better than your Naim
I bet he will recommend me the best doctor he knows :)
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Actually I am not sure I see a dicotomy between tech-led development
and user-friendliness. In fact I was personally impressed about the
ease of installation and of use of my Squeeze Box. The user interface
of the Slim Server could probably become more consumer oriented. Yet
this is not a
My immediate thoughts are to the purchase of Harmony by Logitech a while
ago. When I bought my first Harmony remote they were a small company
making innovative products which worked really well but which could
have used better industrial design, packaging and marketing. They even
had a kind of
So I bought a Harmony remote and Logitech bought Harmony. Then I buy a
Slim Devices SB and Logitech buy SD. OK, I'm gonna buy a wood chipper
this weekend - let's see Logitech buy Yard Machines.
Steve.
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//I can't blame you for doing this, but i too am very worried.
When we first started down this road, I was worried too! However,
Logitech has an extremely good track record with the very few
acquisitions that they've done. I've been very impressed by the fact
that those companies have not only
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