I like the idea of a simplistic interface for those who just need the
basics and the advanced with all the features.
When I made the venture into the Squeeze line of products ease of use
for the whole family was something I did not consider. This caused a
decline in the adoption of the system.
froth;690904 Wrote:
The biggest issue I have with the squeeze line is ease of use for techo
neofites. My system is sold, little to no issues all rooms using
wireless with a wireless infrastructure that has N based devices and
extenders. Even my microwave no longer causes disruptions in the
froth;690904 Wrote:
The biggest issue I have with the squeeze line is ease of use for techo
neofites. My system is sold, little to no issues all rooms using
wireless with a wireless infrastructure that has N based devices and
extenders. Even my microwave no longer causes disruptions in the
TheLastMan;691041 Wrote:
I feel your pain! Things are not so very different in my household.
However I have reduced the extent of a couple of the problems:
UPDATING KIDS ITHING FROM SERVER:
Both my older children have access to a laptop which they use to update
their pods. I have set up
Easier would be SqueezePad or *shrug* the official app .
You can not make Squeezebox LMS simpler it would not function properly
anymore ? thus being useless .
A car that only steers left and goes only forward is simpler than one
that goes both ways and left/rigth, 1/4 of the complexity but
socistep;691044 Wrote:
Its a shame Mrs TheLastMan won't pick up Squeezecommander or iPeng as
they are really easy for controlling and syncing players!
I know, its strange. She really does prefer hardware buttons to a
touch screen and was contemplating dumping the HTC for a Blackberry but
is
Mrs. garym also prefers the CONTROLLER. Although I've never tried her
with ipengHD or SqueezePad on my ipad. may do that if I get an iPAD3
and leave the ipad2 sitting around for her use
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Mnyb;691047 Wrote:
You can not make Squeezebox LMS simpler it would not function properly
anymore ? thus being useless .
We aren't necessarily talking about removing functions, I think it's
primarily about making them easier and more intuitive to access. There
are many design choices in
erland;691120 Wrote:
We aren't necessarily talking about removing functions, I think it's
primarily about making them easier and more intuitive to access. There
are many design choices in the Logitech user interfaces that are based
on a technical or geek perspective rather then a usability
The biggest issue I have with the squeeze line is ease of use for techo
neofites. My system is sold, little to no issues all rooms using
wireless with a wireless infrastructure that has N based devices and
extenders. Even my microwave no longer causes disruptions in the
kitchen setup.
The
Personally I couldn't care less about AirPlay, what should be happening
is that Logitech should be producing cheaper portable devices that
connect to Squeezebox Server (LMS). This would get people buying into
the system and then they could look at the more expensive Touch for
better sound
The Linn solution is from Linn Engineering - it is part of their Davaar
software release. It is not third party.
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DaveWr;690615 Wrote:
The Linn solution is from Linn Engineering - it is part of their Davaar
software release. It is not third party.
I wonder if they have really licensed it, when searching the net and
also the fact that they call it NetAux and not AirPlay, it kind of
feels like they have
erland;690619 Wrote:
I wonder if they have really licensed it, when searching the net and
also the fact that they call it NetAux and not AirPlay, it kind of
feels like they have an unauthorized reverse engineered solution.
They certainly didn't plan to license it one and a half year ago:
erland;690619 Wrote:
I wonder if they have really licensed it, when searching the net and
also the fact that they call it NetAux and not AirPlay, it kind of
feels like they have an unauthorized reverse engineered solution.
They certainly didn't plan to license it one and a half year ago:
Phil Leigh;690625 Wrote:
I really don't think that Linn would risk legal action by Apple!
You might be correct, but they don't call it AirPlay for a reason, and
there are posts on the Linn forums that say that the reason for that is
licensing restrictions from Apple.
So I might be wrong, but
Not sure how Linn is going about things, but I believe Boxee still uses
Pascals Airplayer:
http://pwiddershoven.nl/blog/2011/01/05/airplayer.html
...which was later implemented in xbmc:
https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/commit/ae7b0b54384485e85124bc33c0743ed7cad627a4
It's been awhile since I've
reniera;690235 Wrote:
Personally, i find the radio the perfect speaker for a bedroom.
Same here. I tried the Boom first. Great for getting me up, but too
boomy to listen to at night. So the Boom went in the kitchen, and a
Radio replaced it on the nightstand. A much better fit.
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erland;690072 Wrote:
It's important to understand that Apple and Logitech(Squeezebox) have
different approaches to this.
[Snip very good post]
Correct in every respect, but both systems can co-exist quite happily
provided there are amplifiers in the house with more than one line
level input.
TheLastMan;690437 Wrote:
I have a Squeezebox Server setup with Receivers in the kitchen and
livingroom. However, because all but one member of the household now
has an iThing of some description, I have rigged up docks on both
systems so the users can either listen to music via their pod or
shaboyi;690036 Wrote:
It's not up to Logitech.
Google Apple's termsconditions for AirPlay and you know why it
won't
happen.
i am not a lawyer so i'll skip wading through termsconditions, but it
seems odd that so many other hardware devices canis Logitech or
the SB Touch unique
Linn DS devices do it. Software only update. They have no special
chips as they pre-date Airplay. Indeed a year ago they said they
wouldn't support it.
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DaveWr;690479 Wrote:
Linn DS devices do it. Software only update. They have no special
chips as they pre-date Airplay. Indeed a year ago they said they
wouldn't support it.
http://mafipulation.org/blagoblig/2011/04/08#shairport
Well - as pr. andyg's post, Shairport is 3rd party and I
And now you see why we cannot include it...
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erland;690066 Wrote:
But do you need the same device handle it ?
Yes Ideally I'd prefer not to double the efforts of my SBs with an
extra ATV/AE for each of my setups.
Technicalities and all other issues aside [real as they may be], what
Airplay does is something many are going to look
andyg;690510 Wrote:
And now you see why we cannot include it...
Yes of course its not happening officially and with Shairport. But I
know far from enough to understand why it so definitely could not be
made/negotiated/licensed to happen in a future SB device?
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Neither Linn or Boxee can do it with shairport if they do they will be
in the news for it really soon when apple sues them ?
Or are these third party addons ?
There is some info missing here
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Main hifi: Touch + CIA
IANAL but from what I understand it's probably possible in a closed
device like a Linn but not an open or Linux-based device like ours.
Also there is certainly a huge per-unit Apple licensing fee meaning it
would be unlikely we could add it to existing players for example, even
with no technical
Mnyb;690518 Wrote:
Or are these third party addons ?
Yes. And similar addons exist for the SB, too.
AFAIK, the chipset limitation is that you have to use the very chipset
for which the AirPlay firmware Apple will license you is available.
Maybe Linn just got lucky and did already use that
pippin;690524 Wrote:
Yes, I believe. And similar addons exist for the SB, too.
Are you sure its 3rd party - its prominently featuret on the official
pages and no mention of 3rf party:
http://news.linn.co.uk/news/2011/12/songcast-shares-it-all.php
Btw. do you have the SB (shairport based)
bhaagensen;690527 Wrote:
Are you sure its 3rd party - its prominently featuret on the official
pages and no mention of 3rf party:
http://news.linn.co.uk/news/2011/12/songcast-shares-it-all.php
I was talking about Boxee, sorry.
And no, I'm not _sure_ there either ;)
Btw. do you have the
more on the d-link boxee - they might have done it in software. it
appears to run on some sort of linux and apparently you can get ssh
access with some effort. they also don't call it AirPlay - they call
it iOS Streaming. that may say something.
it also in not an expensive device - less than
I am always wondering why Logitech doesn't offer a speaker only product
like the Sonos Play 3/5.
Currently I am looking for something small for my bedroom. The Boom is
EOL, the Radio is too small and the display isn't really readable from
3m away.
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DITC101;690206 Wrote:
I am always wondering why Logitech doesn't offer a speaker only product
like the Sonos Play 3/5.
Currently I am looking for something small for my bedroom. The Boom is
EOL, the Radio is too small and the display isn't really readable from
3m away.
Too small ?
DITC101;690206 Wrote:
I am always wondering why Logitech doesn't offer a speaker only product
like the Sonos Play 3/5.
Currently I am looking for something small for my bedroom. The Boom is
EOL, the Radio is too small and the display isn't really readable from
3m away.
For a table-top
verypsb;686597 Wrote:
If I understand correctly, Apple doesn't allow Airplay on devices with
an open (streaming) OS, like LMS/SqueezePlay.
Airplay is on a lot of DNLA capable devices right now. Besides, there
is nothing that says Logitech won't update LMS to stream to Airplay
devices as well
MrSinatra;687288 Wrote:
logitech products are becoming increasingly unnecessary for most
users... thats the real issue.
on the one hand you have apple and all its tight integration that for
most apple people works very well, or at least, prefectly for them.
airplay is now becoming a
Sorry about a late reply...
erland;688275 Wrote:
So which system/company do you feel have a more promising future over
the next 5 years so you would be prepared to put your money on it ?
Don't know :)
erland;688275 Wrote:
The offerings from Apple certainly have their limitations at
Is it true that airplay works per instance of iTunes or an iOS device?
For instance, I have one computer with iTunes on it and somebody in
room A is listening to music via AirPlay, somebody in room B cannot
choose to listen to something else via AirPlay from that computer.
In that scenario, is
You can play different music on different AirPlay devices if you've got
more than one source but iTunes can only handle a single playback
queue.
So yes to your first question.
Syncing kind of works but it's not an active sync but only through
Multicast or other network means so devices _can_ get
pippin;689927 Wrote:
You can play different music on different AirPlay devices if you've got
more than one source but iTunes can only handle a single playback
queue.
So yes to your first question.
Thanks for confirming my understanding. To me, this setup has limited
use - kids with an
maggior;689973 Wrote:
kids with an iPod or iPad that want to listen over speakers in their
room, college kids looking to do the same, etc. Though I guess that
limited audience is pretty large :-).
The DK goverment has a goal of getting some 80 percent of the
population through college, so
amrace;685885 Wrote:
I would like another Boom type device to add to my existing system of 2
Classics and Boom.
I was surprised to see the Boom listed in a recent email from Amazon
about network music players. And only US$500
Great discussion...I still wonder why the Squeezebox Touch could not
also be an Airplay device - so you could select it as a receiver and
use Airplay to stream to the SB. This would be the best of both
worlds: a superior networked 'open' audio solution (Squeezebox) and
the convenience of Airplay.
shaboyi;690017 Wrote:
Great discussion...I still wonder why the Squeezebox Touch could not
also be an Airplay device - so you could select it as a receiver and
use Airplay to stream to the SB. This would be the best of both
worlds: a superior networked 'open' audio solution (Squeezebox) and
pippin;689927 Wrote:
You can play different music on different AirPlay devices if you've got
more than one source but iTunes can only handle a single playback
queue.
So yes to your first question.
Syncing kind of works but it's not an active sync but only through
Multicast or other
It's not up to Logitech.
Google Apple's termsconditions for AirPlay and you know why it won't
happen.
i am not a lawyer so i'll skip wading through termsconditions, but it
seems odd that so many other hardware devices canis Logitech or
the SB Touch unique is some regard? I used the
pski;690027 Wrote:
So this means apologies that Airplay/Apple does not support playing
one thing to one device and something else to any others.
No. AirPlay supports it.
What does not is iTunes, iTunes can only play one queue at a time.
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see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone
bhaagensen;690001 Wrote:
But seriously. I love the SB for its advanced functionality, but I
could certainly make use of easily being able to redirect the sounds
from my fruits to the stereo. British hi-fi's such as Naim and Linn
will certainly not switch to Airplay-only, but at the same
shaboyi;690017 Wrote:
the best way I
can think of to achieve multi-room/multiple streams with Apple is to
have multiple Apple TVs and then use Apple Remote App for local music
(iTunes libraries) and then Airplay for other Apps. Conceptually
this is not much different from multiple
pski;690027 Wrote:
So this means apologies that Airplay/Apple does not support playing
one thing to one device and something else to any others.
Add to that the fact you have to use a playlist to pick what is playing
next.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Apple concept is based on that each
DLNA's a dead end, I think. I've played with a few over the years,
notably Twonky, but I can't believe a non-techy will sit there and
configure it to try and get audio *and* video working.
Squeezebox is great, but for me at least it's another layer on top of
my configuration. I run a Windows
It appears that many of us think that the future of Squeezebox is not
too bright so Ive been looking at what else is on the market for when
the time comes to update my ageing kit or to build on what I have now.
Sonos and Apple Airplay are similar alternatives but the Apple option
has been
erland;688275 Wrote:
So which system/company do you feel have a more promising future over
the next 5 years so you would be prepared to put your money on it ?
Ease of setup, use and administration is the key. The company that gets
all of that right will dominate the market in the long term.
amrace;688318 Wrote:
An Airplay version would be something like this:
Apple lossless files - iTunes Airplay Lossless streaming over Wifi
Airport Express optical out to DAC, amplifier and speakers iPad
control using Apple Remote.
Does Itunes have AIRPLAY built in or do you have to
bobm;688333 Wrote:
Does Itunes have AIRPLAY built in or do you have to run another server
on your MAC in order to stream. Can Airplay be run from a PC?
Yes iTunes has AirPlay built in and yes it works on a Windows PC as
well.
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Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes,
When you open iTunes 10 or later on your Mac or PC, you'll see an
AirPlay button at the bottom right-hand corner of the iTunes
window.Clicking on the AirPlay button will let you control where you
stream your content.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4325
Andy
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erland;688275 Wrote:
So if I would mention companies that have the biggest potential to take
over the market, Apple would be pretty high on that list, they would be
in the top. Reason being that they have it all:
- They have the backend music store
- They are focused at usability and ease
bobm;688274 Wrote:
Can you purchase apple lossless from itunes now?
I don't think the iTunes store sells any lossless files. But obviously
you can rip CDs to Apple Lossless, and I've noticed that many artists
who sell downloads choose Apple Lossless as their only lossless option.
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amrace;688318 Wrote:
Is the Squeezebox method more HiFi than the Apple?
No, the Squeezebox just gives you more choices regarding which file
format to use for the music files.
It would be interesting if someone with good ears and good equipment
did a blind test between an AirPort Express
andynormancx;688341 Wrote:
Yes iTunes has AirPlay built in and yes it works on a Windows PC as
well.
Interesting, but can you also stream Internet content with iTunes like
you can with Touch/LMS, i.e. local radio stations, Slacker, Mog.?
Thanks Bob
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In the Apple universe the best way to do that is to use the appropriate
app on your iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch and use AirPlay to send it to the
AirPort.
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Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
I SAID ALL OF THEM !
KMorgan;687768 Wrote:
I love my Squeezeboxes, but it's only when you try to explain to someone
how it all works that you realise that for the average bod it's all
quite complex.
A non-techy pal of mine visits and really enjoys using Squeezepad to
browse Spotify and listen to anything he
TheLastMan;688039 Wrote:
High fidelity? Most don't need or care for it.
And among those who do need or care for it, iTunes (with WAV, AIFF, or
Apple Lossless) + Airplay-equipped name brand consumer-grade receiver
(Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, Harmon Kardon, etc) + decent speakers is good
enough for
I agree things are looking fruity at the moment, but I think you are all
assuming that Apple manages to maintain their [unrealistically?] high
momentum in the long run - iPhone/iMac/Macbook/iPad/iPod. Though
tempting, looking at the tech landscape, its not a horse I would put my
own actual money
KMorgan;687768 Wrote:
I love my Squeezeboxes, but it's only when you try to explain to someone
how it all works that you realise that for the average bod it's all
quite complex.
A non-techy pal of mine visits and really enjoys using Squeezepad to
browse Spotify and listen to anything he
I really like my touch but I am curious. If using an IPOD doc and using
apples lossless, will the quality be close to that of a SB touch? Not
being a MAC guy, I looked at airport express and some IPOD docks, they
don't seem to have digital out's for connection to your reciever but I
may be
bhaagensen;688203 Wrote:
I agree things are looking fruity at the moment, but I think you are all
assuming that Apple manages to maintain their [unrealistically?] high
momentum in the long run - iPhone/iMac/Macbook/iPad/iPod. Though
tempting, looking at the tech landscape, its not a horse I
TheLastMan;688039 Wrote:
The only significant advantage Squeezebox has over Airplay and DLNA is
its ability to play different streams to different players and/or
synchronise players all from a single music server.
People keep mention DLNA...
Could someone let me know which DLNA based
I love my Squeezeboxes, but it's only when you try to explain to someone
how it all works that you realise that for the average bod it's all
quite complex.
A non-techy pal of mine visits and really enjoys using Squeezepad to
browse Spotify and listen to anything he wants (well almost). So, he
erland;687385 Wrote:
Does other DLNA based solutions available on the market today provide a
more intuitive and forgiving browsing experience ?
Does any hardware based player provide a more intuitive and forgiving
browsing experience ?
I know there are computer based players that does
trautigan;687578 Wrote:
Sadly the 'browsing experience' isn't the deciding factor for most
people - Ease of use is higher on the list.
And Logitech's products are bottom of the list in that area for most
non-tech mortals when it comes to that.
I've had Logitech products for years -
erland;687589 Wrote:
At least all the DLNA solutions I've tried has been less user friendly
and more buggy than the Squeezebox, but maybe I've just been unlucky
and tried the wrong ones.
I agree. At the moment DLNA works well enough for videos but the audio
aspect is a far less satisfying
logitech products are becoming increasingly unnecessary for most
users... thats the real issue.
on the one hand you have apple and all its tight integration that for
most apple people works very well, or at least, prefectly for them.
airplay is now becoming a standard that 3rd party hardware
MrSinatra;687288 Wrote:
logitech meanwhile, sells an audio only platform that requires
mastering a fairly complicated server which has an extremely
unintuitive and unforgiving browse exp.
Does other DLNA based solutions available on the market today provide a
more intuitive and forgiving
erland Wrote:
Does other DLNA based solutions available on the market today provide a
more intuitive and forgiving browsing experience ?
There's one DLNA server that does quite a bit... it's the 'PS3 Media
Server' (http://www.ps3mediaserver.org). Having looked at it quickly,
it appears that
what would be a great SB innovation is if the SB Touch could be a
Airplay receiver (like an Apple TV, Denon Receiver or the growing list
of devices that can do it) As an earlier post pointed out, it may be
that Apple won't allow it on an open platform, but I thought the SB
Touch firmware was
shaboyi;687235 Wrote:
nevertheless, given Airplay's momentum, I think the SB Touch doubling
as an Airplay receiver has enormous appeal and would be a great
selling point for it.
While I agree with you, I guess it's also a question of price. Would
you be willing to pay $100 extra for a
If I understand correctly, Apple doesn't allow Airplay on devices with
an open (streaming) OS, like LMS/SqueezePlay.
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'::bug 2140:: Allow specification of
gruntwolla;686207 Wrote:
. Looking at the manual, it is clearly aimed at owners of ios devices.
For those people, LMS would just be a confusing distraction, so as it
isn't mentioned, it won't be there.
Though the ultimate conclusion may be right, I think you are
overlooking the fact that
I think 90,000 new iPhones per day is a little larger target market,
than squeeze things.
Don't forget Logitech got burn't on Google TV.
Any I don't think that they want to undermine the current Squeeze price
points.
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verypsb;686597 Wrote:
If I understand correctly, Apple doesn't allow Airplay on devices with
an open (streaming) OS, like LMS/SqueezePlay.
Every time I start considering to buy an Apple product (this time it
was the iPad), something like this comes up. And makes me turn on my
heels. Thanks
Soulkeeper;686630 Wrote:
(Starts looking for an Android pad.)
Don't. You will regret it.
Regardless of your feelings towards Apple, the iPad is streets ahead of
any of the Android pads in usability, app availability. There is a
reason why it is twice the price of the Android pads.
Anyway you
TheLastMan;686672 Wrote:
Don't. You will regret it
Ok? No pad for me then?
TheLastMan;686672 Wrote:
Anyway you cannot really blame Apple for the fact that Logitech wants to
use its technology.
And I don't.
Besides, it's not my feelings towards Apple that makes me turn away
from them.
TheLastMan;686672 Wrote:
There is a reason why it is twice the price of the Android pads.
It's not. There are capable Android Pads but they cost as much as
Apple's although they are really lacking Apps.
Kindle Fire Co don't really help with that.
Me thinks the market will settle towards
Soulkeeper;686675 Wrote:
It's just that I don't want to spend money on a sense of claustrophobia;
that I can get for free if I want to. ;)
Yes, you are right. Easy to get a bit claustrophobic with all the
content on that platform. Compared to that you do indeed get a good
sense of freedom
I assume people know that they can make any AirPlay speaker/receiver a
Squeezebox by combining it with one of the iOS apps which support
playback, for example iPeng or SqueezePad.
As long as you don't need synchronized playback it should work very
good. Just configure the iPhone/iPad to output
erland;686715 Wrote:
Does anyone know which audio quality you get through AirPlay ? Does it
allow some lossless format or is everything encoded through some lossy
codec ?
i have no idea how airplay works, but i suspect it allows for different
codecs, and it might transcode or something based
erland;686715 Wrote:
Does anyone know which audio quality you get through AirPlay ? Does it
allow some lossless format or is everything encoded through some lossy
codec ?
Everything is converted to 16 bit 44 khz cd standard ALAC according to
Linn, who have incorporated Airplay
bhaagensen;686603 Wrote:
Though the ultimate conclusion may be right, I think you are overlooking
the fact that many are using the very iPods, iPhones, and iPads to
control LMS...
I don't disagree with that; I was referring more to the thousands who
are happy to plug their ios device into a
DaveWr;686743 Wrote:
Everything is converted to 16 bit 44 khz cd standard ALAC according to
Linn, who have incorporated Airplay support in their v expensive
streamers. They have also added Songcast to support high sample rate
24 bit music.
that seems really odd... why bother to make a mp3
MrSinatra;686753 Wrote:
that seems really odd... why bother to make a mp3 lossless to send
wirelessly?
and whats really odd about it, is i have seen in practice, music go
from a laptop, wirelessly, to a router, to an airport express and / or
apple tv, again, wirelessly, and not hiccup
As the device already has 802.11 and Ethernet, adding support for LMS
must surely be a simple matter of firmware.
Which should be cheap enough for us to expect them to actually do so.
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'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com'
I found a download of the user manual here.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/70131052/Logitech-Air-Speaker
It appears to have wifi and an ethernet connection but there's no
mention of LMS. It looks like it's purely for Airplay streaming. Do you
think Logitech will keep both Squeezebox and Aiplay wifi
amrace;686074 Wrote:
I found a download of the user manual here.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/70131052/Logitech-Air-Speaker
It appears to have wifi and an ethernet connection but there's no
mention of LMS. It looks like it's purely for Airplay streaming. Do you
think Logitech will keep
amrace;686074 Wrote:
Do you think Logitech will keep both Squeezebox and Aiplay wifi
streaming systems in its future product lineup?
And don't forget the Bluetooth-based wireless speakers that Logitech
introduced in late 2011. Those devices are actually on shelves now,
unlike this AirPlay
Logitech seems to have no problem with having a lot of different
products, look at thier mouse keyboard and computer speakers.
They seems to have problem with products like squeezeboxes, who is more
involved and takes longtime support .
1000's of fit and forget stuff with a very short shelf
Hi,
Does anyone know aything about the new Logitech Airplay Speaker? I
can't find much information on it yet but was thinking that it would be
nice if it was also compatable with the Squeezebox family / LMS. I would
like another Boom type device to add to my existing system of 2 Classics
and
If Logitech released a 802.11 player -without- LMS support, that would
be very stupid IMO. Not to speak of how utterly -disappointing- it
would be. So I, for one, am going to keep hoping.
Perhaps that's the Boom II right there. Here's 'a small \preview\ at
cnet'
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