fairyliquidizer Wrote:
Do these programs still work? I was planning on burning to CD and
ripping as FLAC for the tracks that I have bought.
yeah, trouble is the hymn tool doesn't support the latest version of
iTunes.
i actually have guided my music purchasing family members to check
I have FairKeys and DeDRMS which I used successfully about 1 year ago on
some m4p files that I purchased from iTunes. I just bought another, so
I get to find out if those tools still work.
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Skunk Wrote:
I seriously question your motives for being here.
A recording/editing professional would frequent different forums.
Monitor on your PC, burn it to DVD, and go watch it in your HT.
I question your support of this product and its OPEN SOURCE software.
I came here because of
I think there's a misunderstanding here.
Support for DRM and iTunes DRM has nothing to do with open source. In
fact, quite the contrary.
Apple won't release the license to anyone, Slim or others (well, there
was one other, but it was some kind of an exception).
Many people here don't much like
You seem intent on making life difficult for yourself. There are
utilities for unlocking AAC files with DRM. I think the hymn tool
that several people have mentioned is one of them. That seems like the
simplest solution to me: use a tool to remove the DRM, then you can use
the mov123 script or
John Stimson Wrote:
You seem intent on making life difficult for yourself. There are
utilities for unlocking AAC files with DRM. I think the hymn tool
that several people have mentioned is one of them. That seems like the
simplest solution to me: use a tool to remove the DRM, then you can
Skunk Wrote:
Life is full of compromises. The time you've spent not only typing your
responses but rereading them for mistakes could have been used to rip
your cds, all leisurly like mate.
life's just that simple for you aint it must be nice.
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Simple?
You're the luddite arguing the benefit of chained cd changers and no
change.
The earth is round, and revolves around the sun.
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m1abrams Wrote:
My flac are just a simple transcode away from ANY format. ;)
And wasteful increase in file size is not true. I can transcode my
files to ANY format without having to re-rip or lose quality do to a
generation loss that would incurr transcoding a lossy format.
Yeah, but
AaronS Wrote:
Yeah, but you are never going to improve on the quality of the original
iTunes-purchased MP4, are you? So changing the format is wasteful.
Very true which is why I dont but iTunes music. ;)
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snarlydwarf Wrote:
Of course, in that mode, just what will your SB say, since it has no way
of knowing what random track is playing?
I guess this reminds me of how a certain-other-vendor claimed we
support XM radio! And when you actually looked at the details it was
yes, plug your XM
AaronS Wrote:
Yeah, no 'maximum compatibility' though. And a hugely wasteful increase
in file size.
My flac are just a simple transcode away from ANY format. ;)
And wasteful increase in file size is not true. I can transcode my
files to ANY format without having to re-rip or lose quality do
kewe65 Wrote:
So, one drawback of the Squeezebox and SlimServer is that you can't
stream DRM iTunes files.
That's because Apple won't license it to anyone else. (And because
they make promises to record companies about how their licensing model
works, this is unlikely to change.) Name two
snarlydwarf Wrote:
That's because Apple won't license it to anyone else. (And because they
make promises to record companies about how their licensing model works,
this is unlikely to change.) Name two digital music players (hardware
or software) that are not made by Apple that support
You may very well want to listen to one song in one room and another in
another room. That is why, many people here have multiple SBs and have
multiple people in a household use them.
Also your statement about fine let someone circumvent the DRM. Well
better solution for you would be to NOT
kewe65 Wrote:
Really irrelevant to me. I have no intention of removing iTunes. You
make the point from the premise that i have to have iTunes. Well, of
course. I have no issues with it. It is, in fact, one of the best
music library managers out there. Bested only by J.River's Music
As I've said, I'm all ears, but you've actually offered no suggestions
on meeting the objective. What you have offered is opinions based on
some premises that didn't exist in the first place. It gets pretty
frustrating when it seems your advice is not really focused on
responses to what I'm
m1abrams Wrote:
You may very well want to listen to one song in one room and another in
another room. That is why, many people here have multiple SBs and have
multiple people in a household use them.
Sure, but since that scenario rarely if ever comes up in my house, it's
way down of the
kewe65 Wrote:
I'm looking for the hardware/software configuration that will stream
ANYTHING that is played on the PC.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, so I don't mind saying that the
Wavelength brick will do this. IIRC it plays system sounds and all.
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Skunk Wrote:
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, so I don't mind saying that the
Wavelength brick will do this. IIRC it plays system sounds and all.
I'm assuming your talking about Wavelength Audio's Brick USB DAC?
http://www.wavelengthaudio.com/Cosecant.html
Fascinating. Anyone with
kewe65 Wrote:
Anyone with experience with this?
Don't go there, please.
EDIT:http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19367highlight=wavelength
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Skunk Wrote:
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, so I don't mind saying that the
Wavelength brick will do this. IIRC it plays system sounds and all.
But it doesn't get around the cable problem USB cables do have
length limits.
Of course, speaker wire has length restrictions as well,
looks to me that this device does not stream wirelessly - requires
wiring of some sort. no dice.
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snarlydwarf Wrote:
But it doesn't get around the cable problem USB cables do have
length limits.
Not inherently, but there are lots of ways around the problem. If the
quality is better, it's worth it. (I'm not saying the quality is
better!)
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kewe65 Wrote:
requires wiring of some sort. no dice.
Life is full of compromises. The time you've spent not only typing your
responses but rereading them for mistakes could have been used to rip
your cds, all leisurly like mate.
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Skunk
Pale Blue Ego Wrote:
You're talking about waiting a few extra seconds between EVERY album,
possibly between every SONG if you random play on the CD changer...yet
it's too much trouble to place a CD in your computer drive ONCE and
then NEVER AGAIN having to wait to hear it?
CD ripping,
kewe65 Wrote:
fyi, while in random mode on the CD and only changing between songs on
that CD, there is no lag whatsoever. it is, in fact, as fast or faster
then changing between album songs in audio files.
Of course, in that mode, just what will your SB say, since it has no
way of knowing
kewe65 Wrote:
I'm always open to new technology, but so far no one's produced a
cost-effective method of an automated ripping solution to make it worth
my while to indeed convert. I just don't have the time to pull CDs in
and out of the PC, one at a time ALL THE WHILE doing all the other
It gets worse. The latest version of iTunes re-encrypts (and makes
unavailable to hymn) any music you downloaded under previous versions,
i.e. it writes all over your older music as well.
It's a fairly disasterous upgrade.
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Michaelwagner
Michaelwagner Wrote:
It gets worse. The latest version of iTunes re-encrypts (and makes
unavailable to hymn) any music you downloaded under previous versions,
i.e. it writes all over your older music as well.
It's a fairly disasterous upgrade.
I didn't realise that.. but I'd unlocked all
Michaelwagner Wrote:
It gets worse. The latest version of iTunes re-encrypts (and makes
unavailable to hymn) any music you downloaded under previous versions,
i.e. it writes all over your older music as well.
It's a fairly disasterous upgrade.
Are you sure about that? I thought the
I don't use iTunes. But that's what someone else told me. It was here in
a forum. I'm at work and can't take the time to search, but you should
be able to find it. Search for iTunes and hymn.
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Ben Wrote:
Are you sure about that? I thought the limitations of the 6.x upgrades
were as follows:
If you buy a song from the iTunes Music Store using version 6, your
account somehow becomes 'marked'. Without a new account, even reverting
back to earlier versions won't let you buy songs
kewe65 Wrote:
Also, the so-called wait is extraordinarily exaggerated. it's always
less than 15 seconds and there's cross-fade when switching between two
players making the wait zero.
If you listen to a disc on alternate players every time...
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Michaelwagner Wrote:
I don't use iTunes. But that's what someone else told me. It was here in
a forum. I'm at work and can't take the time to search, but you should
be able to find it. Search for iTunes and hymn.
Before I posted, I double checked my info in the Hymn forums, so I
think
snarlydwarf Wrote:
Hrrm, no it is more to do with the benefits of Random Access Storage
devices as opposed to Sequential Access. It has more to do with
keeping the number of moving parts (Things Which Break) down. It has
more to do with the affordability ($300'ish for a 400 CD changer, of
Ben Wrote:
I double checked my info in the Hymn forums, so I think whomever told
you that was misinformed.
Quite possibly. And I don't know enough about iTunes to detect a
misunderstanding.
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kewe65 Wrote:
So, again, I suggest this whole idea of switching to computer storage
is about having it all, right now.
That makes precisely zero sense.
You explain how you have all the equipment Right Now, and how it would
be Work to rip and encode...
And then denounce people who believe
snarlydwarf Wrote:
Your argument is akin to arguing: we shouldn't use email for business
correspondence
Given current levels of spam, it might be a compelling argument :-)
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if you can't see that there are just as many reasons why someone doesn't
have the time nor resources to rip and encode as there are reasons for
doing it, then discussing this is pointless. i granted that when
starting from scratch it makes perfect sense. The fact that even this
isn't enough for
I see your point, FWIW kewe. If you ride the wave correctly- you can
listen to your changers until disk storage prices drop enough that you
can get a SB3 AND and nokia 770 with the money you save on HD's.
You'll just have even _more_ cd's to rip at that point though :)
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and i've curtailed my cd purchases mostly to only out of print material
not available from the myriad of download sites and SACD/DVD-A formats,
which don't rip well.
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AaronS Wrote:
Using jHymn is the only way to ensure maximum compatibility and the same
audio quality as your purchased tracks.
What about burning the DRM tracks to CD and ripping as FLAC? No
quality loss there.
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Pale Blue Ego wrote:
AaronS Wrote:
Using jHymn is the only way to ensure maximum compatibility and the same
audio quality as your purchased tracks.
What about burning the DRM tracks to CD and ripping as FLAC? No
quality loss there.
More precisely, no additional loss of quality.
Unless the
kewe65 Wrote:
we're only talking about a few extra seconds
You're talking about waiting a few extra seconds between EVERY album,
possibly between every SONG if you random play on the CD changer...yet
it's too much trouble to place a CD in your computer drive ONCE and
then NEVER AGAIN having to
Pale Blue Ego Wrote:
What about burning the DRM tracks to CD and ripping as FLAC? No quality
loss there.
Yeah, no 'maximum compatibility' though. And a hugely wasteful increase
in file size.
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AaronS's
Hey! Can we rename the plug-in to loon-iTunes?
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Steve Baumgarten Wrote:
Can't Slimserver just be configured to stream to the Squeezebox
whatever is being delivered to the soundcard?
That would be pretty cool:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643. I added my vote.
There's a discussion of this going on right now in the
kewe65 Wrote:
This includes the playback of Sony CD changers connected to PCs via a
Slink-e or SAVR device.
But why would you choose that over a large HD with FLAC rips of your
CD's?
Instant-access to any track seems a lot more enjoyable than waiting for
a changer to move heads to the
To be accurate, they play audio on machines that have QuickTime
installed - it does not use iTunes.
And since you must have QuickTime installed to use iTunes (DRM files or
not), I'm not sure what the big deal is?
Music Library is a Java-based program that uses the QuickTime API for
this
kewe65 wrote:
To be accurate, they play audio on machines that have QuickTime
installed - it does not use iTunes.
And since you must have QuickTime installed to use iTunes (DRM files or
not), I'm not sure what the big deal is?
Music Library is a Java-based program that uses the QuickTime API
mikerob Wrote:
The Motorola ROKR (aka CROKR) mobile phone does support DRM protected
iTunes Music Store tracks (www.apple.com/uk/itunes/mobile/faq/) but
Motorola appear to be the only company to date that Apple has done a
licensing deal with.
And even then, Motorola didn't exactly get a good
stinkingpig Wrote:
kewe65 wrote:
To be accurate, they play audio on machines that have QuickTime
installed - it does not use iTunes.
And since you must have QuickTime installed to use iTunes (DRM files
or
not), I'm not sure what the big deal is?
Music Library is a Java-based
kewe65 wrote:
...
No, the files are decoded prior to the soundcard. A programmer
reverse-engineered the quicktime API for the protected format and put
the method in a book - QuickTime for Java: A Developer's Notebook By
Chris Adamson
The software I'm talking about, Music Library, is unique in
kewe65 Wrote:
The software I'm talking about, Music Library, is unique in that it's
the only thing out there right now that will play all different file
types AND also access Sony CD Changer tracks via a Slink-e AND placed
them in the same inventoried library list.
stinkingpig Wrote:
kewe65 wrote:
I'm curious about this latter path. Could you describe this in lay
terms? I could use the squeezebox to receive the stream based on
capturing whatever is passed to the soundcard?
I already actually have the computer wired to take the output from
kewe65 wrote:
...
Can't Slimserver just be configured to stream to the Squeezebox
whatever is being delivered to the soundcard?
That would be pretty cool:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643. I added my vote.
All I'm really interested in is playback of these files. I intend
Can't Slimserver just be configured to stream to the Squeezebox
whatever is being delivered to the soundcard?
That would be pretty cool:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643. I added my vote.
There's a discussion of this going on right now in the Beginners list,
where pbjbryan
kewe65 Wrote:
There are so many other products out there that support playback of
iTunes purchased files - including Java documentation for reading the
tags using the QuickTime API.
The only one I know of is the Airport thing, which is probably what you
are stuck with using I'm afraid. No
kdf Wrote:
In summary, look for info from Apple, becuase unless they are willing
to license it, no *hardware* outside of apple producst will support
it.
-kdf
The Motorola ROKR (aka CROKR) mobile phone does support DRM protected
iTunes Music Store tracks
In CompUSA last week I noticed the Soundbridge. The packaging proclaims
'the only ___[forgot term]___ that works directly with Itunes'. I
assume this includes DRM protected files (?)
From their site:
SoundBridge uses Apples DAAP (digital audio access protocol) to
communicate directly with
Skunk wrote:
In CompUSA last week I noticed the Soundbridge. The packaging proclaims
'the only ___[forgot term]___ that works directly with Itunes'. I
assume this includes DRM protected files (?)
From their site:
SoundBridge uses Apple’s DAAP (digital audio access protocol) to
communicate
Thank you for correcting me, kdf. I should've stayed out of the
discussion, or looked deeper into the site.
I'm sure the sticker on the roku was meant to make people believe what
I did.
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Skunk wrote:
Thank you for correcting me, kdf. I should've stayed out of the
discussion, or looked deeper into the site.
sorry, didn't mean to make it seem like I was scolding. It is a common
misconception. Sadly, marketing can so easily wander into that
territory. Even companies that are
JRiver Music Center
Music Library
Panther Studio's TitleTrack and Music!
All three of these software packages play protected iTunes files with
no problems whatsoever.
JRiver is the biggest of the three and also resembles iTunes quite a
bit in terms of the organization of GUI.
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kewe65
kewe65 Wrote:
All three of these software packages play protected iTunes files with
no problems whatsoever.
They play it on a machine that has iTunes installed and don't send it
to other devices.
Ie, in theory, yes, a Windows or Mac version of Slimserver could use
the same libraries and
snarlydwarf wrote:
kewe65 Wrote:
All three of these software packages play protected iTunes files with
no problems whatsoever.
They play it on a machine that has iTunes installed and don't send it
to other devices.
exactly:
Skunk Wrote:
I'm sure the sticker on the roku was meant to make people believe what I
did.
I'm sure you're right. Shame on Roku.
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stinkingpig Wrote:
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_02/itunes/index_p6.html
In particular this bit:
While these methods provide playback functionality, they do not allow
developers to access the raw audio sampling data and its doubtful that
this policy will change in
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