OP here:
I cannot thank you all enough for your help in understanding the
Squeezebox solution(s) to my audio streaming desires. I just received
my new SB Touch today and have been extremely impressed with the audio
quality and the ease of setup thus far, but (there's always a but,
yes?) for one
iTunes = iVirus. Let's move on.
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103
- full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5),
don't miss the point, i also hate itunes... but the wifi part of that
eco-system is much better, its more robust and reliable, works easier,
etc...
say what you will about itunes, i'll agree with it most likely, but the
airplay portion of what they do is very kickass, and its why you now
see
MrSinatra;636498 Wrote:
i wonder if eventually someone will create a SBS/itunes server type
hybrid...? some kind of open source server that supports airplay? if
they did, it would really solve a lot of issues for most people on both
sides of this.
You mean like an Vortexbox Appliance
i'd say its uninteresting (to the mass market) b/c it doesn't yet
support airplay (or the audio part of it) and b/c the UI is not one
UI for all. if it ever does, it becomes nteresting, and then the Q is
the degree to which it does.
i could be mistaken, but my impression is to do all those
MrSinatra;636535 Wrote:
i'd say its uninteresting (to the mass market) b/c it doesn't yet
support airplay (or the audio part of it) and b/c the UI is not one
UI for all. if it ever does, it becomes nteresting, and then the Q is
the degree to which it does.
I'd argue that the reason the
erland;636539 Wrote:
I'd argue that the reason the mass market doesn't buy it is because:
1. They don't know it exists
2. They think it's too expensive
3. The applications it bundles is still too geeky for the mass market
well, they could install it freely on old hardware, so i think 1 and
MrSinatra;636609 Wrote:
a lot of people would like to use the apple gear without the apple
software though for local tunes (or vids) that aren't all on smallish
pods/pads. software that was capable of running apple gear, slim gear,
dlna gear, more or less equally well has a good chance of
As speaking as someone who likes and uses iTunes (just not with Squeeze
anymore) I haven't been able to get iTunes to install on my Vista
machine since 7.5! I have tried all the suggestions about removing
every component of iTunes/Quick Time, cleaning out the registry and
several other things.
considering that there's probably 1000 times more itunes installs than
SBS ones, i think its safe to say that as a percentage, they exp less
issues overall, and actually given how many more there are, thats
pretty amazing.
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sb2 droid (my home) / duet
MrSinatra;636359 Wrote:
considering that there's probably 1000 times more itunes installs than
SBS ones, i think its safe to say that as a percentage, they exp less
issues overall, and actually given how many more there are, thats
pretty amazing.
my first generation ipod from many years ago
MrSinatra;636359 Wrote:
considering that there's probably 1000 times more itunes installs than
SBS ones, i think its safe to say that as a percentage, they exp less
issues overall, and actually given how many more there are, thats
pretty amazing.
Yeah, ain't that a shame!
I have iTunes, I
MrSinatra;636359 Wrote:
considering that there's probably 1000 times more itunes installs than
SBS ones, i think its safe to say that as a percentage, they exp less
- overall
Fixed it for you.
Itunes users, those are the people who've been paying $300+ for
portable music players for the
I'd have to agree that the SB ecosystem isn't for *everyone*. But trying
to identify that cut-off point is a bit tricky.
One simple test might be if you never have problems attaching a file to
an email; ie you understand the concept of directory structures, and how
files end up in different
oktup;636152 Wrote:
OTOH, mysterious intermittent networking problems could probably break
the spirit of Alan Turing himself.
;-)
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I'd also add (especially if comparing Sonos to a Boom/Radio) the issue
of true portability.
Even though the Sonos S5 has it's own speakers it cannot be used as a
truly standalone portable player
- must be connected to a Sonos ZP or ZB (all SB players will connect
directly to any basic
oktup;636152 Wrote:
I'd have to agree that the SB ecosystem isn't for *everyone*. But trying
to identify that cut-off point is a bit tricky.
One simple test might be if you never have problems attaching a file to
an email; ie you understand the concept of directory structures, and how
Mnyb;636170 Wrote:
Yea Sonos solution is to use it's own proprietary network, thus freeing
themself from user errors in network setup, left only with the figth
against nature and other radio sources .
Reading this forum makes you wonder , same people always get network
problems and new
garym;635940 Wrote:
just curious what you felt they were? I guess I left out a maximum size
library (which would be a deal breaker for me). Other issues? I think
they do gapless lame mp3 and FLAC files ok, correct?
garym;635940 Wrote:
just curious what you felt they were? I guess I left
johnas;636039 Wrote:
Yeah, they do gapless mp3 and flac correct. No issues with playing files
or bugs.
- File index is limited. It can serve you artists, albums, genre,
composer and file - SB is way better for local library features, i mean
like Sonos is pretty feeble in comparison
-
I also successfully use SBS on a WiFi laptop and Sync lossless (even
full WAV's) to three WiFi players over a G router without a hiccup.
A wireless server is not what I'd recommend to others, but it is
possible.
Usage, location, environment and other factors have an impact on how
successful an
For Sonos' take on what the OP should do see here:
http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?t=22705
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johnas;635886 Wrote:
For Sonos' take on what the OP should do see here:
http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?t=22705
good advice and a fair comparison of SB vs Sonos products. Logitech
could learn a lot from the clear explanations provided on the Sonos
website about how their product works,
garym;635887 Wrote:
good advice and a fair comparison of SB vs Sonos products. Logitech
could learn a lot from the clear explanations provided on the Sonos
website about how their product works, etc. I say this as a major user
of SB products. The major downside of Sonos is the lack of 3rd
johnas;635921 Wrote:
But as someone who used to own Sonos products I can say there are other
downsides for Sonos besides lack of high rez and 3rd party plugins.
just curious what you felt they were? I guess I left out a maximum
size library (which would be a deal breaker for me). Other
Just remember that the people posting on these forums with
issues/problems are probably 0.1% (or 1 in 1,000) of the install
base.
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC
the flipside of that is all the people with problems who never post, but
just give up, return, whatever...
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MrSinatra
www.lion-radio.org
using:
sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b -
win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 -
d-link
I've now been running SBS since 2004. There were some initial problems setting
up, but these were solved very rapidly with the very generously given help of
members of this forum. There were problems with drop outs of wireless
streaming. Again, those were solved rapidly with help from here.
I do know that one cannot blindly assume complaints and reports of
problems are solid indications of overall product quality. I have
seldom (OK, never) taken keyboard in hand to post a Wow, it's
awesome! report in a support forum unless it was in response to
someone evaluating that product with
For networking use switches avoid wifi and use ethernet wire when
physically possible= the objekts you want to connect are stationary
ie not moving around like a controller or a phone or a pad etc.
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Main hifi: Touch
OK, yeah ... not sure how that applies since we're discussing a wireless
streaming device, but thanks.
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RockinFX;635783 Wrote:
OK, yeah ... not sure how that applies since we're discussing a wireless
streaming device, but thanks.
It works both wirelessly or on wired ethernet. If you can connect it
over wire it can be a lot more reliable. Many people have very few
problems with wireless, but
dont forget the server
it usually works ok with wifi. I had all players on wifi for 3 years at
least
And when the squeezeboxes multiply as they do... You get a more complex
setup with multiple squeezeboxes.
In my current case server is wired to the network many players are also
wired some
this is actually a perfect example of what i'm talking about that some
people are trying to dismiss. u need to know very little to almost
nothing to setup a wifi apple device, and once you do, its basically
forever. compare that to the ip3k products, which many people here,
some posting how
But honestly:
the original poster said he is using a computer that is on most of the
time.
Then he wants to use a single Touch.
That's a dead simple setup.
Neither will he face problems installing the server, nor connecting the
Touch via WiFi with the current state of the software.
I'm
bluegaspode;635799 Wrote:
But honestly:
the original poster said he is using a computer that is on most of the
time.
Then he wants to use a single Touch.
That's a dead simple setup.
Neither will he face problems installing the server, nor connecting the
Touch via WiFi with the
RockinFX;635521 Wrote:
Well, it was honestly meant to convey nothing more than my abject level
of frustration and desperation as I am well and truly lost. I have
tried to get my head around the technology, I really have. Obviously
to little or no avail. My sincere apologies for any
MrSinatra;635545 Wrote:
you've gotten a lot of responses from pros. but it sounds to me like
you want something that just works thats easy, robust, etc...
i would suggest then that this product is not for you.
a lot of people on here might disagree and say they never have issues,
blah
RockinFX;635505 Wrote:
OK, OK ... that's possibly a broader question in my case, but I mean as
regards a Squeezebox-based system. All I really want is 2.1 channel
audio through an existing AVR which has both wired and wireless
capability by streaming FLAC audio files and internet radio from
Great responses, lots of excellent information and (invaluable) hands on
experiences - many thanks! I still like the concept and features of the
Touch for my purposes since:
a) I have a severe allergy to iTunes. It's genetic and untreatable.
I've tried medication - no use. If a solution is
If your using the laptop/PC for a server, then the reboot is no big
deal. It uses your local network for the most part, unless listening to
internet radio, so it's based on your in house network. But if you have
a power outage, or need to reboot the laptop/server, it just starts and
once it is
RockinFX;635597 Wrote:
The one thing that sounds sub-optimal is (if I understand correctly) the
rescanning/restructuring of the connection and the library if the server
goes down. I run World Community Grid 24/7 so the laptop is almost
always on, but there are times when I need an update or
Ahhh, good to know the re-scan is no big deal and that I have control of
scan type and frequency running SBS on the laptop. Actually, great to
know.
It is looking more and more like the Touch is going to be my choice. I
realize every product has a few warts and more of them in some
rayman1701;635588 Wrote:
I have to chime in here and say that isn't totally true. snip Maybe
I'm a fluke, but I doubt it.
all one has to do is look at the posts in these forums.
now, i don't dispute your exp; but its not my exp, and i know a lot
more than the avg user.
one could argue
MrSinatra;635635 Wrote:
snip ... anyway, i certainly wish the OP good luck and i'm sure many
here, including i, will be happy to try to help should he encounter any
difficulty.
Thanks! I have read enough in my research around this issue to know
that there are indeed problems and am certain
Go for it. I think you will be pleased. Many of us run into issues from
time to time but at least for me, they are usually a temp frustration
and then all is good again. My level of expertise is pretty low when it
comes to tech stuff but I am happy w the Touch and the software. Is it
perfect, no,
I think for every SB poweruser that runs a Linux server, owns several
clients and what not, there have been moments of frustration. I all
fairness, *every* long term user of *every* product has those. I give
the SB developers kudos for always coming through in the end. *Always*.
The rough patches
OK, OK ... that's possibly a broader question in my case, but I mean as
regards a Squeezebox-based system. All I really want is 2.1 channel
audio through an existing AVR which has both wired and wireless
capability by streaming FLAC audio files and internet radio from and/or
controlled by my
You need a in the , with a and probably a , too. If
you don't want to then a will work, but don't if you
can't at least .
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JJZolx;635509 Wrote:
You need a in your , with a and probably a , too. If
you don't want to then a will work with your existing ,
but don't if you can't at least .
Good !
Gee, thanks so much. Nice to know there are no flaming a**h***s on
here.
The obfuscated swear word in your post gives the impression that you are
angry and accusatory. It's not a great way to present yourself when you
are requesting free advice and help. You post isn't angry and
accusatory though, so here goes
You can host SqueezeBox Server and your flac files on
RockinFX;635505 Wrote:
OK, OK ... that's possibly a broader question in my case, but I mean as
regards a Squeezebox-based system. All I really want is 2.1 channel
audio through an existing AVR which has both wired and wireless
capability by streaming FLAC audio files and internet radio from
RockinFX;635510 Wrote:
Gee, thanks so much. Nice to know there are no flaming a**h***s on
here. Really appreciate it.
Atleast one person in this thread has a sense of humor.
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Touch is the player made for ht or stereo systems, it has all the
outputs you need for that .
radio is a standalone box.
they can all be used together with a server oftware used on PC (
squeezeboxserver ) for your localfiles and radio, for services and
webradio only it is possible to do
RockinFX;635505 Wrote:
All I really want is 2.1 channel audio through an existing AVR which
has both wired and wireless capability by streaming FLAC audio files
and internet radio from and/or controlled by my laptop to a single
room.
I have been through the FAQs and forum posts and I
Let's try this, then...
If you want the networked AVR to play music then you're looking in the
wrong place. You would want some kind of UPnP or DLNA server software
running on a NAS or computer. A Squeezebox would not be part of the
setup.
If you want to use a Squeezebox as a music source (much
Well, it was honestly meant to convey nothing more than my abject level
of frustration and desperation as I am well and truly lost. I have
tried to get my head around the technology, I really have. Obviously
to little or no avail. My sincere apologies for any misunderstanding.
That said, I
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