Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Hi Azalee, Django Girls (Python/Django) and Railsbridge (Ruby/Rails) which are both 1.5 day workshops to teach beginners to develop a full stack web application use Atom as their preferred editor. Both are run often and students have no difficulty using Atom. As to your questions: *

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

There are many well-formulated opinions either way in this thread, but I have to agree with Mark, Bennet and others. FYI, for a new undergraduate Python course on Windows lab computers we chose between two candidate editors: atom and notepad++. I found atom a bit heavy and slow in this context

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Just my 2c: Notepad can safely be substituted for nano for Windows users. No additional setup required, and it's something learners are likely already familiar with. In my opinion Atom is a bit overkill for what we are asking learners to do, i.e., create small files, edit existing files and write

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Hi Raniere, Thanks for bringing this up. I think it is always good to re-examine our options as the field is constantly changing. I agree that Nano isn’t ideal and its always disappointing to tell students we’re going to use it for the workshop and they will likely never use it again. My big

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I think Bennet summed up my views on the issue best. It seems to me it is not so much about whether Atom is hard to learn, but that it is a fundamentally different tool (GUI) in many respects. Nano is something that will allow them to work remotely, keep their mind centered on where they are

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I agree with Erik. I would not perhaps mind if it will be added to the list of alternative editors in the workshop template, which currently says "Others editors that you can use areNotepad++ or Sublime Text for Win; Text Wrangler or Sublime Text for macOS; Gedit,Kate or Sublime Text for

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:56:31 -0400 Jeremy Gray wrote: > I think the cognitive load of Atom (or any new fancy text editor) is > being underestimated. I totally agree with this. I tried Atom once, and thought: "this looks great, but I'll need some time to get into it".

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Hi, The original motivation for the choice of Atom was: today at the workshop, one of the our Windows learners asked me why after quit nano the previous command weren't available when scroll the window up. The learner was very annoyed to not be able to see the history. This is indeed

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I think the cognitive load of Atom (or any new fancy text editor) is being underestimated. I really like Atom, but a workshop might not be the best place to start people using it. A lot of the time people are using whatever works, and if you ask them to change, you need a good reason - nano has

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I would also encourage the move to Atom as the default editor. I believe that Atom offers benefits that nano, while simple, does not offer. Installation of Atom is very stable. It works out of the box with no additional configuration. It's "an editor that will be welcoming to an elementary

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Without being able to speak to most of the issues being discussed in this thread, I second what Mark says in his first paragraph. I've been teaching a Programming for Non-majors course at my (and Mark's) institution for 17 years, and we've always used nano (or pico, nano's predecessor). The

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Bennet Fauber wrote: > I really do not mean to be a troll, here, but it seems to me that the > trend is to develop SWC/DC away from a coherently organized workshop > centered around the idea of creating a pipeline that is run using > scripts,

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I really do not mean to be a troll, here, but it seems to me that the trend is to develop SWC/DC away from a coherently organized workshop centered around the idea of creating a pipeline that is run using scripts, invoked from a command line, and that is under version control. That is how I

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Also +1 to Noam's suggestion On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 4:59 AM, Ethan White wrote: > I support this change in concept and agree with Noam that it should only > be undertaken broadly following experimentation to make sure it works more > effectively than the current approach

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I support this change in concept and agree with Noam that it should only be undertaken broadly following experimentation to make sure it works more effectively than the current approach and to iron out any unanticipated issues. Ethan On 03/30/2017 07:13 AM, Noam Ross wrote: I support this,

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

I support this, but I think the appropriate approach is to gather evidence. Many (most?) changes to lessons and methods start as experiments by instructors, so I think a set of instructors should produce the following for an upcoming workshop, which other instructors can try out: - A fork of

Re: [Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Thanks Raniere. If there is not a commitment to maintain the Windows installer, then it sounds like this might be the best route. The main reason I don't like this as a solution is that when people are on an HPC or remote computers like Amazon EC2, they likely won't have access to Atom. So, I

[Discuss] nano clean the window scrool in Windows (was Re: nano not found after installing gitbash (Raniere Silva))

Hi all, today at the workshop, one of the our Windows learners asked me why after quit nano the previous command weren't available when scroll the window up. The learner was very annoyed to not be able to see the history. I would like to motion to change nano with Atom as the recommended/default