Re: [discuss] more on crash

2005-04-21 Thread Mathias Bauer
adrian Greeman wrote: It was clearly my own fault for not setting up the autosave when I changed versions recently - I was using 83 I think. (I used to set it in 1.1.4) Anyway I have just reset in the 1.9.93 version and notice there is both always save back copy and save auto recovery

[discuss] Solutions to problems

2005-04-21 Thread Wesley Parish
I had an interesting experience the other day, the the community centre cycafe I work as a volunteer for. An elderly gent turned up, with some photos he wanted switched from horizontal to vertical for online selling of the things they represented. I found the local installation of

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Hi, * Daniel Carrera wrote: You have your reasons. But given this situation, is it surprising that volunteers don't contribute? People like to see their work being reviewed and accepted. They contribute something small, they see it goes well, so they contribute a little more. Give it time,

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Nicu Buculei
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: another example of people feed-up with long release cycles: downloads for our beta/devel builds have exceeded the downloads for stable builds, this is because people are hungry for new features Hm. Not really sure where to go with your post, Nicu, you phrase it so

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-21 Thread Mathias Bauer
Pavel Janík wrote: From: Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:58:45 +0300 We can ask the question again, why does the patches don't get accepted? Are they submitted at all? Your question should be: Why *submitted* patches are not accepted?. The

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Bernd Eilers
Daniel Carrera wrote: [...] I recently suggested that we could have a testing branch (name inspired by Debian). It'd be something between stable and development. Right now, stable gets updated every 3-4 months, and new new features are added. Just bug fixes (some times). Development is not

[discuss] OpenOffice.org Conference 2005 - Please vote for the location! - Deadline: April 30, 2005

2005-04-21 Thread Erwin Tenhumberg
Dear OpenOffice.org user, Every year, members of the OpenOffice.org community gather at the official international OpenOffice.org Conference, or OOoCon. The purpose of this conference is to allow members of the community to meet face-to-face in a convivial environment, in order to share coding

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-21 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Quoting Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moreover, I for myself can't just add something even to the current developer release without going through some processes (like requirements analysis, specification etc.). I know and support that this shouldn't be necessary for external developers to the

[discuss] UBL: another opportunity for Openoffice?

2005-04-21 Thread Marco Fioretti
Greetings, UBL stands for Universal Business Language. It is an open, XML-based format for all the usual commercial documents: invoices, purchase orders and so on. Eventually it will be possible to use it, that is read and write such documents, from within OpenOffice. More details here:

[discuss] EU Rapporteur Publishes Software Patent report

2005-04-21 Thread Marco Fioretti
As per subject: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/20/231203 Ciao, Marco F. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [discuss] Base should be renamed

2005-04-21 Thread Arthur Buijs
Bimal Kharel wrote: [...] I do think Base needs to be renamed. It implies 'core' or something like loading the base OpenOffice system into memory off of which all the sub-packages run. So it sounds like an OpenOffice quick starter daemon while it actually is the database component. [...] PS Base

[discuss] OpenDocument in US grant applications

2005-04-21 Thread Lars D . Noodén
US Federal grant applications are probably going to be moving to electronic submissions eventually. I think that there is a strong case to be made for supporting an open, platform independent, royalty-free format like OpenDocument in the application process. The test site is visible here:

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Mathias Bauer wrote: [big snip] Free developers very often prefer smaller projects, just because it's easier to enter them, it's easier to understand them, it's easier to add own contributions (and get the credits :-)). I think that's quite understandable and of course it's OK, but that should be

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Bernd Eilers wrote: And how do you envision the mechanisms to work for when and how something is integrated into that testing branch while ensuring that it would be reasonably stable? Some changes are fairly safe. For example, the word-count macro (I keep using it because I think it's a very

Re: [discuss] Base should be renamed

2005-04-21 Thread Steve Kopischke
Arthur Buijs wrote the following: To write a document use Writer To do your calculations use Calc To present an idea use (Im)pres To manage your data use ... Um... Mange? No, that's not quite right, either oldgnome - To

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Erwin Tenhumberg
And how do you envision the mechanisms to work for when and how something is integrated into that testing branch while ensuring that it would be reasonably stable? Some changes are fairly safe. For example, the word-count macro (I keep using it because I think it's a very good example). It's a

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Alexandro Colorado
uoting Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: another example of people feed-up with long release cycles: downloads for our beta/devel builds have exceeded the downloads for stable builds, this is because people are hungry for new features Hm. Not really sure where to go with

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-21 Thread Mathias Bauer
Daniel Carrera wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: [big snip] Free developers very often prefer smaller projects, just because it's easier to enter them, it's easier to understand them, it's easier to add own contributions (and get the credits :-)). I think that's quite understandable and of

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:20:01 +0300 Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uoting Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: another example of people feed-up with long release cycles: downloads for our beta/devel builds have exceeded the downloads for stable

[discuss] Re: quickstart nice - weird copy behaviour

2005-04-21 Thread Chuck
adrian Greeman wrote: I just noticed! in 1.9.93- the re-newed quickstart button. It is WONDERFUL. I don't need to add OO to the start menu etc (we are talking Win XP SP2 here) Regards Adrian PS I have also an odd observation - if you copy and paste into Writer and then go off

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Some changes are fairly safe. For example, the word-count macro (I keep using it because I think it's a very good example). It's a fairly safe feature. It is not likely to cause chaos. The other example I used was, if I wanted to add a few functions to Calc. That's

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-21 Thread Joerg Barfurth
Daniel Carrera wrote: Joerg Barfurth wrote: If people really find something they can't live with they can use use our processes to get obstacles removed (like the Community Council or the Engineering steering comittee). But of course, as in any OSS project, if you can't live with project

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thankya, will directly have a look into it :) On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:18:41 +0200 Jens-Heiner Rechtien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jochen, OOo has not completely been ported to 64 bit architectures yet. That's a major effort btw., for several reasons. The ongoing work can be found on

[discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread Marco Fioretti
Daniel Carrer wrote: A lot of features can be implemented through extensions. If we made it easier for people to submit and install extensions, we might get a good sub community there. It could take some pressure off from the core project. and also: What are the chances of a near-future

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
HI I like Erwin's idea, too; but The OOo website has the unfortunate drawback that people need CVS access, and have to sign the JCA. This may be reasonable for the core product, but for a group of extensions, it can be a problem. What exactly is the problem with the JCA? FWIW, we

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cant find anything usefull at openoffice.org - howto get the cvs and take part ?? On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:09:04 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thankya, will directly have a look into it :) On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:18:41 +0200 Jens-Heiner Rechtien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread Justin Clift
Marco Fioretti wrote: snip When reading about a template and extension installer, their reaction was: Please don't...On a package-based system any stuff not installed via the native packaging system is a cause of much annoyance and grief...[better]fix something else in openoffice.org instead of

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hello Joerg, Thank you for your input. It's important to hear the developers' side of the story. But it is something different to criticize a policy and to define a viable replacement that removes the problems. Yes, and that's what I'm trying to do here. Explore options to find a viable

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: What exactly is the problem with the JCA? FWIW, we actually do not much encounter the same resistance to it as we did with the old CA, which had no joint element. The JCA is a *joint* copyright assignment, it does not ask the user to give away his or her work, as she

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Marco Fioretti wrote: and it also mentions the firefox installer as another PITA. In which way is the FF installer a PITA? Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Hi I'll beat Pavel to the mark:-) cant find anything usefull at openoffice.org - howto get the cvs and take part ?? Please observer our email guidelines: http://www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html. We want people to bottom post and to prune nonessential stuff. By so doing, you make it

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Jens-Heiner Rechtien
Hi, CWS ooo64bit02 is a so called child workspace, that's essentially a branch in the OOo CVS repository and more. Please see here: http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/OOo_cws.html and here: http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/ooo-cws-tools-doc.sxw or here: http://ooo.ximian.com/cws.html

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 22 avril 2005 03:04 +1000, Justin Clift a crit : Marco Fioretti wrote: snip When reading about a template and extension installer, their reaction was: Please don't...On a package-based system any stuff not installed via the native packaging system is a cause of much

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Hi Suppose you are a coder, or proto-coder, and are hesitantly thinking of contributing to OOo. You probably don't trust Sun much. But perhaps you'll provide a simple addon, and see how it goes. Now, it turns out that you must allow Sun to also have ownership of your work, you must print this

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 21 avril 2005 18:22 +0200, Marco Fioretti a crit : Daniel Carrer wrote: What are the chances of a near-future OOo version having an extension installer, like Thunderbird? Before getting too excited about this, and starting it, please consider also the impact on Gnu/Linux

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 21 avril 2005 13:31 -0400, Daniel Carrera a crit : Marco Fioretti wrote: and it also mentions the firefox installer as another PITA. In which way is the FF installer a PITA? It requires heavy human baby-sitting to do the right thing (functionally and security-wise), is not

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-21 Thread Laurent Godard
Hi all Thanks for this dicussion that feeds me for the IRC conf. (huuuh, am i late ?!!! - one week left ;)) In my experience, (1) coding the extension was easy, but (2) the documentatin was inpenetrable and (3) I couldn't figure out how to deploy them. There just wasn't a simple system for that.

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: The JCA is necessary, important, and not that uncommon. Just look at what our friends at Ximian/Novell are doing for Evolution: http://forge.novell.com/modules/xoopsfaq/?cat_id=30%23q60#q60 The JCA might be easier to sell if people are allowed to get started on simpler,

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Hi Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Besides yourself (and you are not a developer), By definition, anyone who hasn't signed the JCA is not a developer. So let's stick to a more useful concept, like potential developer. Unless you mean to imply that I am unable to program, which is very rich comming

Re: [discuss] :SPAM: Duplicate name field in OOWriter

2005-04-21 Thread CPHennessy
On Sunday 17 April 2005 11:38, + Miljenko Petrak wrote: [ MODERATED ] I am using OpenOffice 2.0 Beta products for some time now and I find it very usefull. Certainly more functional than Microsoft's Office. In order to help improving these products even more, I would like

Re: [discuss] autocorrect problem

2005-04-21 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Wednesday 20 April 2005 06:41, Kevin/Joanna wrote: oo text program autocorrect entries which I've put in myself works only erratically - ie in some docs and not in others. Wow, I've never heard of that problem before, as long as you are talking about the same version of OOo. It is true

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-21 Thread Daniel Carrera
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Uhm, I actually wasn't being hostile, That's not how I read it. But in any event, you have just defined developer as someone who is actively contributing to OOo's codebase. So asking how many developers don't contribute to the code is a self-defeating question. It's

[discuss] Newbie Question about Open Office 2.0 Calc

2005-04-21 Thread Paige Miller
I am running Windows Me, I have my screen resolution set and 1024X768 When I open Open Office 2.0 Beta Calc, everything looks fine EXCEPT the font in the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheets. That particular font is appears to be almost unreadable -- way too small for my taste, and in fact

Re: [discuss] PDF export in Open Office

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sirs! I toyed around with the OO 2 beta (OS: Windows). First impression: Very nice! Finally, a data base that seems worthwhile - good work! One thing that bothered me in the 1.1x version and appears to be the same in 2.0: the PDFs made by OO don't use/export Type 1

Re: [discuss] OT: Windows Update spyware

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Justin Clift wrote: Hi all, Just a quick rant, in the hopes it stops someone else from getting caught by this lousy Microsoft tactic. I have *no* Microsoft software on this workstation at all apart from Windows, as a way of keeping the workstation stable (and it's been ok). I've just run

Re: [discuss] Email Client

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Mike Finley wrote: fees and upgrade costs and items like that. What I have noticed with the Microsoft Office suite that annoys me is I prefer to use Mozilla Thunderbird as my email client, yet when I select that as my Email client under Internet Explorers Tools = Internet Options = Programs

Re: [discuss] Again on: Incompatibility between OO.o 2.0 and MS Word

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Marco Fioretti wrote: Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote M. Fioretti wrote: ... Just a comment: reporting is often simply NOT possible in the right way, that is filing an issue with the document causing the problem attached to it, or put online. Because many of the things not converted perfectly

Re: [discuss] Incompatibility between OpenOffice 2.0 Writer and Microsoft Word

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Bill Wilken wrote: Actually, I'm finding that OOo's Writer in some respects is a bit more sophisticated than Word -- especially in the area of complex document formatting. Very true. I have found that it is not so much more sophisticates, just easier to do sophisticated things, like styles.

Re: [discuss] Re: Professional Office...

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
As you are not subscribed, you may have missed this message. Matt Needles wrote: Volker Jung wrote: Perhaps you didnt understand the intention behind my posting: I want OO to beat MS... So do we, but it won't happen by making picayune, derogatory remarks about the programmers or the product.

Re: [discuss] Re: Professional Office...

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
As you are not subscribed you may have missed this post. Alexandro Colorado wrote: What is unprofessional about my openoffice.org: http://es.openoffice.org/files/documents/73/2653/ooo_gnome.png -- Peter Kupfer -- Using OOo since 'OO4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to help? http://www.oooauthors.org

Re: [discuss] Professional Office...

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Volker Jung wrote: Perhaps you didnt understand the intention behind my posting: I want OO to beat MS... But I cant deny that - just for example - ALL the symbols look like beeing drawn by programmers. Im a programmer myself and know that programmers most often dont have the inspiration to

Re: [discuss] OT: Windows Update spyware

2005-04-21 Thread Justin Clift
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: snip I don't suppose you have any system restore points set you could go back to? Good idea in hindsight. ;-) The Add/Remove Programs option doesn't list the particular update (KB887472) for rolling back, so short of deleting the program files directly, this workstation

Re: [discuss] Re: Solutions to problems

2005-04-21 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Thursday 21 April 2005 13:50, Rod Engelsman wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: I had an interesting experience the other day, the the community centre cycafe I work as a volunteer for. An elderly gent turned up, with some photos he wanted switched from horizontal to vertical for online

Re: [discuss] Solutions to problems

2005-04-21 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Thursday 21 April 2005 00:05, Wesley Parish wrote: I had an interesting experience the other day, the the community centre cycafe I work as a volunteer for. An elderly gent turned up, with some photos he wanted switched from horizontal to vertical for online selling of the things they

Re: [discuss] Re: Solutions to problems

2005-04-21 Thread Wesley Parish
Quoting Christian Einfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 21 April 2005 13:50, Rod Engelsman wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: I had an interesting experience the other day, the the community centre cycafe I work as a volunteer for. An elderly gent turned up, with some photos he wanted

Re: [discuss] OT: Windows Update spyware

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Justin Clift wrote: Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: snip I don't suppose you have any system restore points set you could go back to? Good idea in hindsight. ;-) The Add/Remove Programs option doesn't list the particular update (KB887472) for rolling back, so short of deleting the program files

Re: [discuss] OT: Windows Update spyware

2005-04-21 Thread Justin Clift
Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: snip Yes, I agree. It took a near miracle to finally figure out how to get MSN Messenger off my computer. Try this: In Add/Remove, click on the button about Window's Components on the right. See if it is in there. *Awesome* Yep, that did it. :) Thanks heaps Peter!

Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer

2005-04-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 03:04:46 AM +1000, Justin Clift ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Marco Fioretti wrote: snip When reading about a template and extension installer, their reaction was: Please don't...On a package-based system any stuff not installed via the native packaging system is a cause

Re: [discuss] Navigation in Draw and guide

2005-04-21 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 22:29, Bimal Kharel wrote: Using Draw (OpenOffice 2.0) I felt the need for a few things: 1) When grouped objects are moved one doesn't see an outline/guide WHILE moving. It seems from CPH's post that you have spotted a valid bug. Congratulations! If you would