Re: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad....

2007-10-12 Thread Derek M Jones
Hanania, In the paper that I mentioned in a previous posting, Wieringa claimed that much of the Software Engineering (SE) research does not apply scientific methods. Not only that I agreed with him, but I claimed that the situation is even worth than that; in many of the SE papers the

Re: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad....

2007-10-12 Thread Clendon Gibson
Errol writes, 1) why supporters of particular approaches to software development are talking past each other and not necessarily hearing what each other are saying? I would hypothesize that it is because they do not understand each other. Computer scientists are trying to solve a very difficult

Re: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad....

2007-10-12 Thread Alan Blackwell
A marvellous analysis of the reasons for the mathematical (or formal) versus human orientation in software engineering can be found in Phil Agre's chapter Conceptions of the user in computer system design. So far as I know, his observations regarding the user as human person have not been

Re: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad....

2007-10-12 Thread Andrew Ko
As one of many working to shed light on the human side of software engineering in academia, I thought I'd raise a few points. It is true that many academics prefer the mathematical approach. But I've also spoken to several dozen over the years with other perspectives. For example, much of

RE: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad....

2007-10-12 Thread Errol Thompson
In the paper that I mentioned in a previous posting, Wieringa claimed that much of the Software Engineering (SE) research does not apply scientific methods. Not only that I agreed with him, but I claimed that the situation is even worth than that; in many of the SE papers the

RE: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad....

2007-10-12 Thread H.C.Sharp
Alan Indeed this sounds very interesting, and an avenue worthy of being pursued. I and colleagues have been researching the human and social aspects of software development, with a particular focus on software practice, for quite some time. There is renewed interest in the area and the