Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Jason Clouse
On 2005-02-19 01:20:13 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The conservative camp: The NeXT style interface is one of the best looking ones ever produced, it looks fresh and distinctive, but could be tweaked/modified as there is always room for improvement... if someone can

Re: Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Jason Clouse
On 2005-02-19 01:49:11 -0500 Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Camaelon is bundled with -core and the option to change theme is the first thing a user sees, fine. If someone downloads a tarball, installs it,

libxml2 on windows?

2005-02-19 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
Does anyone know of a windows libxml2 binary which works for gnustep-base in the mingw32 environment? I tried the latest from http://www.zlatkovic.com/projects/libxml/index.htm and from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gnuwin32 I've modified the base library configure script and GSXML.m so

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 19 Feb 2005, at 08:29, Jason Clouse wrote: On 2005-02-19 01:20:13 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The conservative camp: The NeXT style interface is one of the best looking ones ever produced, it looks fresh and distinctive, but could be tweaked/modified as there is

Re: Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-02-19 16:26:41 +0800 Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-02-19 01:49:11 -0500 Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Camaelon is bundled with -core

Re: Mplayer.app

2005-02-19 Thread Fabien VALLON
On 2005-02-18 23:19:03 +0100 Alex Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Philip Chan wrote: Hello all: Does anyone know what is happening with Mplayer.app? It is quite a nice little app and I would hate to see it go. My only problem with it right now is that I can't seem to delete from or

Re: Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:26:41 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Because it doesn't exist. And because people are not directed to download Etoile. They are directed to download -core. Once Etoile is highly publicized and it is nearly impossible to simply download -core and

Re: Mplayer.app

2005-02-19 Thread Charles Philip Chan
On February 19, 2005 5:20 am, Fabien VALLON wrote: Hello Fabien: http://www.sonappart.net/gnustep/Mplayer-0.4.tar.gz Thanks for the file. Unfortunately, this is the same version I got from ftp.gnustep.org- I still can't delete anything from the playlist. Charles pgpXYro2mU7aG.pgp

Re: backart - default backend?

2005-02-19 Thread Fred Kiefer
Gregory John Casamento wrote: XLib has major problems with: 1) Font rendering (point sizes) 2) The font panel 3) Drawing to pixel instead of point. Granted, on most displays these are close, but it's enough to be a problem. Could you please explain the problem with the font panel? That's a GUI

Re: It takes a lot of balls....

2005-02-19 Thread Yves de Champlain
Le 05-02-19, à 01:37, Alex Perez a écrit : Randi Joseph wrote: ... to tell people who have computers running EVERY type of os with beautiful displays (even mac os x looks good under ultra vnc running from a different os) that their displays are not properly calibrated and the need to adjust it

Re: StepTalk Segfaults

2005-02-19 Thread Stefan Urbanek
On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 23:13 -0600, Matthew Swank wrote: Can anyone tell me why: StepTalk [:x :y|[:z | x + y + z] valueWith:3] valueWith:5 with:7. (0) 15 works ok while: StepTalk a := [:x :y|[:z | x + y + z] valueWith:3]. (1) STBlock: 81bf428 StepTalk a valueWith:5

Re: GWorkspace next release (Was: Re: GWorkspace's Tabbed Shelf)

2005-02-19 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
At 15:26 Uhr -0500 18.02.2005, Charles Philip Chan wrote: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=nextPart1935768.TxXXMCdENy; protocol=application/pgp-signature; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On February 18, 2005 5:23 am, M. Uli Kusterer wrote: In my projects, I use a

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Nicolas Roard
Le 19 févr. 05, à 08:58, Richard Frith-Macdonald a écrit : I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd happily see a good theme engine contributed to the core distribution. Indeed, I believe it makes sense to have a degree of theme support built in to the standard gui classes rather than requiring a

Re: backart - default backend?

2005-02-19 Thread Gregory John Casamento
--- Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregory John Casamento wrote: XLib has major problems with: 1) Font rendering (point sizes) 2) The font panel 3) Drawing to pixel instead of point. Granted, on most displays these are close, but it's enough to be a problem. Could

Re: Re:

2005-02-19 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
At 1:55 Uhr + 19.02.2005, Nicolas Roard wrote: I doubt it's because it's grey. A *lot* of people (and I mean, not just NeXT lovers, casual users) like the grey tonality, because with it, the UI doesn't come in the way of the user. Having a gray tonality is a good thing, particularly for

Re: NSDefaultOpenDirectory

2005-02-19 Thread Fred Kiefer
Marko Riedel wrote: --- Fred Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Marko Riedel wrote: what version of GUI do I need for NSDocument to honor NSDefaultOpenDirectory when opening files? From all I can tell NSDocument in GNUstep does not know about NSDefaultOpenDirectory, but than I cannot find

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Jason Clouse
On 2005-02-19 03:58:47 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd happily see a good theme engine contributed to the core distribution. Indeed, I believe it makes sense to have a degree of theme support built in to the standard gui classes

Re: Question about #define

2005-02-19 Thread Benoit
I download the source code of GNUmail and look how it is done. I found a lot of #ifdef MACOSX but I never found where is done the #define MACOSX. Where is it done ??? In the Project Builder / Xcode project file (compiler flags). Thanks. My app was first written for Mac OS X so I plan to

live search folders

2005-02-19 Thread Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can we have hierarchical search folders? - -- Got Sharapova? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using the GPG bundle for GNUMail iD8DBQFCF3fLyihxuQOYt8wRAvtoAJ9Co6+2PzrA5iSljR5bdIo5a+EQtgCfVXmR

Re: Makefile Question

2005-02-19 Thread Andrew Ruder
Matt Rice wrote: before-all:: mkdir -p shared_obj/source to a GNUmakefile.preamble, though theres probably a better way First off, this should probably be the .postamble. But in TalkSoup, I do something like this before-all:: $(MKDIRS) $(GNUSTEP_OBJ_DIR)/Controllers/Preferences

Re: libxml2 on windows?

2005-02-19 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 19 Feb 2005, at 18:34, Alex Perez wrote: Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: Does anyone know of a windows libxml2 binary which works for gnustep-base in the mingw32 environment? Please don't reply to existing threads and simply change the subject. Wasn't aware that I had. Guess I typed in the

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Riccardo
Hey enrico, On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 07:09 PM, Enrico Sersale wrote: On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We (gs community) should vote to agree on making Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not a default desktop for gnustep

File browser for desktop environment (Was Re: Look and Feel)

2005-02-19 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:09:23 +0200, Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for years of work on a (existing) application, give up. GWorkspace is looking for a new maintainer. Enrico I'm truely sorry for being a part

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Stefan Urbanek
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 20:09 +0200, Enrico Sersale wrote: On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We (gs community) should vote to agree on making Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not a default desktop for gnustep itself since

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Enrico, --- Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped Jesse's comment about etoile And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for years of work on a (existing) application, give up. I

Re: File browser for desktop environment (Was Re: Look and Feel)

2005-02-19 Thread Frederico Muñoz
On 2005-02-19 21:07:04 + Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:09:51 +0100, Frederico Muñoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) I believe it is my responsibility to reply to his mail which was clearly pointing at me. But trust me I didn't intend to counter-attack him

Re: file annotations

2005-02-19 Thread Charles Philip Chan
On February 19, 2005 12:29 pm, Rogelio M.Serrano Jr. wrote: What are file annotations for and how do we use them? I suggested that to Enrico. It is for attaching notes/comments to a file. When it is complete, you will be able to search for files by annotation. I tried adding annotation to

Re: It takes a lot of balls....

2005-02-19 Thread Randi Joseph
On Feb 19, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Alex Perez wrote: Randi Joseph wrote: ... to tell people who have computers running EVERY type of os with beautiful displays (even mac os x looks good under ultra vnc running from a different os) that their displays are not properly calibrated and the need to adjust

Re: Mplayer.app

2005-02-19 Thread Charles Philip Chan
On February 19, 2005 2:33 pm, Frederik Harwath wrote: It didn't work for me, too. I fixed it... Thank you for the fix. It works! You might want to consider uploading this version to ftp.gnustep.org. The only problem with it right now is that the path to mplayer is hard coded. Unfortunately

Re: file annotations

2005-02-19 Thread Alex Perez
Charles Philip Chan wrote: On February 19, 2005 12:29 pm, Rogelio M.Serrano Jr. wrote: What are file annotations for and how do we use them? I suggested that to Enrico. It is for attaching notes/comments to a file. When it is complete, you will be able to search for files by annotation. I

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Randi Joseph
I did not mean it that way. I meant in a usable state. May have too harsh. I am going to write some code and leave you guys alone apologies randi On Feb 19, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:52:11 -0500, Randi Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you are

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:52:11 -0500, Randi Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you are correct. Etoile does not exist. I dont understand why it is being discussed with prominence. Is it better to pay some respects to those who already code to make it happen? There are at least ~50 thousands

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 17.02.2005 um 02:09 schrieb M. Uli Kusterer: Heck, there are people who've hacked MacOS X to run on an old 8100/80 PowerMac. No idea how they got Mac OS X onto a non-PCI Mac ... If that one can run Aqua, any Pentium should be able to run Jesse's theme at blazing speed... ... but I run Mac OS

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:28:30 +0700, Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:06:57 -0500, Charles Philip Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We (gs community) should vote to agree on making Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not a

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Nicolas Roard
Le 19 févr. 05, à 21:09, Gregory John Casamento a écrit : And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for years of work on a (existing) application, give up. I don't think you should give up! Please don't. I believe that GWorkspace should be the default desktop.

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Charles Philip Chan
On February 19, 2005 6:39 pm, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote: You wanted to say that GNUstep is a desktop environment? Wrong, please read the front page of http://www.gnustep.org No, what I am trying to say is that GNUstep is more than just a toolkit. It is a collection of framworks and other kits

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:18:56 -0500, Charles Philip Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, what I am trying to say is that GNUstep is more than just a toolkit. It is a collection of framworks and other kits (eg: musickit, graphicskit, etc) to build apps and environments. Then would you please be a

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Charles Philip Chan
On February 19, 2005 7:31 pm, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote: Then would you please be a bit less picky (hopefully not an offensive word) on what word I was using? Sorry, I missed the original message- I was just reacting to the quote. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a few desktop environments

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-02-20 02:09:23 +0800 Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We (gs community) should vote to agree on making Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie.

Re: Look and Feel

2005-02-19 Thread Charles Philip Chan
On February 19, 2005 9:25 pm, Alex Perez wrote: neither MusicKit or GraphicsKit are part of GNUstep's CVS. Therefore, it leads to a logical conculsion that they are not part of GNUstep. They are frameworks, like any other. Of course you are right about that, I was just thinking of the more