On 06/22/2011 04:08 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
both gap-discuss and gap-dev-discuss are now back online and working!
Ooh, I need to find the piece of paper where I briefly wrote 8 known
problems! I hope still can find them
Congratulations on the coming back of mailing list!
On 04/27/2011 03:02 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
I'll speak with Greg about making our own with gnu.
Progress?
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On 04/27/2011 02:43 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Perhaps it would be good to mention the problems you have with
TextEdit. They could hint a GNUstep bug.
Good, given the permission I can discuss it now ;) (NO I am no longer
angry, I am just being rhetorical.)
Using gnustep-1.93.3 back-art
On 04/25/2011 03:16 AM, Gregory Casamento wrote:
A more productive use of time would have been to go over GNUstep and
GAP apps which are currently being supported.
FYI Yes I did. A few days ago I was trying to communicate with Riccardo
and having stacked about 7 emails to send as soon as
On 04/22/2011 03:06 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote:
Your discussion did, however, spark a discussion regarding how to help
users better find GNUstep applications to prevent users from having a
bad impression.
I exposed the problem, and was shot by ignorance. The problem in essence
is bad user
On 04/24/2011 05:55 AM, Ivan Vučica wrote:
For most apps, that's ./configure, make, sudo make install, so that
part shouldn't be a problem.
Having a standard way to distribute binaries for various operating
systems would be excellent, too.
From a user's prospective, it's not necessarily
On 04/24/2011 11:56 AM, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote:
I do believe users are not even bothered if they see: configure in
progress. Trying to adapt the software to your system's environment,
making and installing, as long as they can get what they wanted.
I realized I am speaking to developers
On 04/19/2011 09:41 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Of course, currently GNUstep is not targeted to those environments so
you need some of homework. But this does not mean that one can build a
professional package with it and ship a commercial product both with
cygwin and mingw. it is possible and
On 04/22/2011 05:50 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
It is possible to make one single self-contained application (like
iTunes or Safari on windows do) but I don't think it is done with
standard tools. I never did it.
Thanks! Very informative.
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On 04/21/2011 06:00 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
I don't know this application, you might want to try other image
display programs. Perhaps LaternaMagica from GAP suits your need, at
least I know it works on current GNUstep because I'm its maintainer.
Just tried. Works perfect:)
This
On 04/21/2011 11:10 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
As I said, discussion is actually welcome if useful and carried on in
a constructive manner. GNUstep appeals to a wide range of users, from
developers to porters to end-users on a variety of platforms. We are
used to different opinions.
Great to see people are talking about solutions after shot the messenger. ;)
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On 04/20/2011 03:35 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
When looking form an organizational perspective, I think the GNUstep project
(Base,
Gui, Make, Back) are part of the FSF GNU software collection
(http://www.gnu.org/software/).
While applications are not under the umbrella of FSF and
On 04/18/2011 04:20 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Currently the only supported way is MinGW.
Thanks for the information. I come to realize MinGW+GnuStep setup
doesn't have a packaging system or installer like CygWin, thus there are
two choices to get applications.
1. To get applications
On 04/19/2011 09:37 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Well, compiling from source *should* be trivial. Any decently
maintained application has tarball releases, often also nightly or
beta tarballs.
Really? Before I try, I did a bit math to estimate the hours I am going
to need. Following are my
Hi.
Having tried GNUStep a few years ago, I remember by working a few days I
only reached the level I can get GNUStep running plus only one or two
applications (GNUMail perhaps). Consider so much trouble using it I gave
up deciding to come back 2 years later to check progress. So this year I
On 04/20/2011 09:11 AM, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote:
* Cynthinue depends on qt widget (!!) and nasd. Image the hell of
trouble installing these on Windows.
A second closer look shows FreeBSD ports forces dependency on arts which
depends on qt3. It also forces dependency on esound
On 04/20/2011 10:23 AM, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote:
I randomly chose 6 applications of my interest and tested run all of
them. Result: only GWorkspace did not fail fatally.
Add to the list the 7th software I just tried. I know this is pretty
detailed, thus should goes to the app developer
On 04/20/2011 12:40 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote:
None of the apps you mentioned with the sole exception of gworkspace
are maintained by this team. So, I'm not entirely certain what your
point here is.
Is there a way to co-ordinate delivery of user experience? We could say
this is the job of
On 04/18/2011 04:20 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Remember that you can run the applications inside the VM and then
export the display locally to an X server running on the windows part.
I did this on a specific setup and the performances were more than
acceptable!
Enlightening! I almost
Thanks a lot for the detail of technical difference:)
I think it's obvious I should choose MinGW.
On 04/18/2011 06:37 PM, Ivan Vučica wrote:
How do I make a choice?
- is your app targeted at an end-user who is primarily using Windows? MinGW
- is your app targeted at a scientist, or a
Hello. FreeBSD user for 12 years, Linux user for being 8 years. I intend
to run GNUStep on one notebook computer. Now after multiple failures to
get all device driver running on my notebook computer for as long as
half a year (no I am not too stupid to use google to find driver or
compile a module
On 01/25/2011 06:25 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Linux, *BSD, Solaris... a big mess, don't you think? A maze...
GNUstep has its shortcomings, but I think that generally Linux is not
such a well-defined and interesting target for many applications.
Sadly perhaps, but it is reality.
Consider
The discussion become difficult to track for people who just want to
have an overview, so I try to summarize what I understand now. I hope
people who follow my post be brief and ignore implementation details so
we can constantly focus on a framework. I also hope my English is not a
problem and
Hi. I was reminded of another terminal.app 0.9.4+cvs20051125-5 issue.
When I use mplayer, the software keep refresh the status line on the
console of current framerate etc, that sucks half of my CPU power (CPU:
loongson 2F). The workaround is to minimize terminal when mplayer
started. The same
Hello. I read articles saying mono is a must for Linux. Reason:
1. Mono applications are OOP. OOP does GUI better;
2. The other OOP choice is QT, Java and python; Mono beats QT in
gnome, and beats both java and python in CPU and memory consumption;
I found if these reasons are valid,
Sante Caserio wrote:
Does GNUStep support mips architecture? Is it possible to install GNUStep on
a Lemote Yeelong laptop? (http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html)
I already have a working installation on Lemote 2F mini-PC. I guess we
come to this project with the similar intention of
to share with the group other defects. I click an email subject Event
Invitation Reply: ... in my INBOX and it crashes. I guess the email
must contain an ical.
character set problem produced a lot of junk text.
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Germán Arias wrote:
El mar, 02-06-2009 a las 22:10 +0200, Riccardo Mottola escribió:
It doesn't support thread view (as Thunderbird has) or going to the
next email in this thread (as Apple mail has);
that's a design feature and i hope it stays so. Not all apps need to
look and
Because I don't think it is workable, yet it is included in almost
every distribution and seems to have a fame.
It crashes when choosing to reply to Everyone;
It displays characters in compose window at 1/2 speed I can type;
It doesn't support thread view (as Thunderbird has) or going to the
Fred Kiefer wrote:
I already cleaned up the code in XWindowBuffer.m to no longer require
the Xsh additions and context.c has been that way for quite some time.
What did you need to change to get it working?
This is how I get it to compile, but the result is the newly built
backend does not
Fred Kiefer wrote:
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
It sometimes have wired behavior, e.g. typing 'i' after 'f' causes both
letter erasered.
This could be a problem of your font. If the font claims to have a fi
ligature, but doesn't display anything for that, the described behaviour
could
Germán Arias wrote:
It doesn't support thread view (as Thunderbird has) or going to the
next email in this thread (as Apple mail has);
If you select View - Thread messages, you can see the thread (see
image), but you can't going to the next or previous email.
It is exactly my
Fred Kiefer wrote:
There is a second call to XShmQueryVersion in context.c, but this is
protected by #ifdef XSHM
If this fails for you, then your system is in a state where configure
detects XSHM, but it isn't usable.
If this package search command output is of help to tell my case:
$
I am trying to compile back-xlibs, while install everything back-xlibs
needed from Debian package repository, a.k.a. to compile the minimum to
get back-xlibs running. This goes successful.
However all gnustep applications doesn't run.
$ SystemPreferences
SystemPreferences: symbol lookup error:
Sorry, see correction below:
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
Then build gnustep-back-0.17.0 by using the following:
Should be: then I built gnustep-back-0.14.0 by using the following:
# ./configure --enable-graphics=xlib --with-name=xlib
# make
# make install
I built gnustep-back
Fred Kiefer wrote:
What you are missing is the shared memory extension for your X server.
What is strange is that we try to detect this during the configure
phase. Perhaps we aren't checking that configure flag in all places the
need to do so. The one I could find where this isn't done was
Fred Kiefer wrote:
What you are missing is the shared memory extension for your X server.
What is strange is that we try to detect this during the configure
phase. Perhaps we aren't checking that configure flag in all places the
need to do so. The one I could find where this isn't done was
在 2009-05-27三的 20:55 -0700,Gregory John Casamento写道:
Deek,
We had been planning on a release of it for a few weeks, but simply
didn't have the time to make it until recently.
My apologies if releasing it under the original name has caused some
confusion, but we actually did think that
Gregory John Casamento wrote:
A fork implies new functionality or some philosophical difference.
Neither is the case here.
Hi. As a user I love the way to fork it using the original name as
long as the original author doesn't complain. It reduces confusion to
new users instead of creating
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
My font does exist in my system:
$ fc-list | grep -i wen
WenQuanYi Bitmap Song:style=Bold
WenQuanYi Bitmap Song:style=Regular
$ xlsfonts | grep wen | awk -F - '{print $3;}' | uniq
wenquanyi bitmap song
Any idea what document should I read or how should I do? I didn't
My font does exist in my system:
$ fc-list | grep -i wen
WenQuanYi Bitmap Song:style=Bold
WenQuanYi Bitmap Song:style=Regular
$ xlsfonts | grep wen | awk -F - '{print $3;}' | uniq
wenquanyi bitmap song
But it is not shown in SystemPreferencs.app as attached snapshot. What could be the reason?
Yavor Doganov wrote:
You are missing several build-dependencies. Either install them with
# apt-get build-dep cynthiune.app
Thanks for the information. I could not use the debian
build-dependencies because I am using a chopped version of Debian
(Sunwah Linux or Rays Linux) that modified to
Yavor Doganov wrote:
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
I could not use the debian build-dependencies because I am using a
chopped version of Debian
OK, then download the Debian source package (from ftp.debian.org) and
look at debian/control? Here they are (GNUstep and Debian-related
ones stripped
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Thumbnails are nice but always a problem I use several programs on Mac,
Windows, Unix, all have their problems.
Yes I also experience a lot of problems related to thumbnail generation
on all the platforms. However most of these problems are less critical
then that of
Yavor Doganov wrote:
Like many other (semi-)abandoned GNUstep apps, it needs modifications
to compile
and run with recent GNUstep releases. For this problem, specifically:
http://patch-tracking.debian.net/patch/misc/view/cynthiune.app/0.9.5-7.1/Frameworks/Cynthiune/NSCellExtensions.m
hns wrote:
That reminds me what the GNUstep Software Index is showing as content
(in a different layout).
http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/
Maybe, it should be more part of the GAP Web Page?
If it would help, we could add a database checkbox GAP so that it
shows only the GAP projects.
http://organact.mine.nu/~wolfgang/cynthiune/Cynthiune-0.9.5.tar.gz
Probably should be discussed on cynthinue project mailing list but there
seems not be one. Error:
Pyrrhus:/root/GNUstep/Cynthiune-0.9.5# make
This is gnustep-make 2.0.8. Type 'make print-gnustep-make-help' for help.
Making all
Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
Are you using Debian? There's a package there for Cynthiune 0.9.5.
Hi thanks for providing information. I am using Debian but I got my own
reason to use self-compiled version of gnustep instead of official
package (bad performance of both cairo art on my particular
David Chisnall wrote:
There is a browser in Étoilé svn which works as you describe, by
simply taking a Gecko X11 view and reparenting it. This is not a good
solution, however, because it means that things like text fields do
not have the same behaviour as other GNUstep text fields, buttons do
Hi Riccardo
Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
A short description would give visitors - who aren't gnustep old
stagers - an idea what GAP and all the other stuff on that page is
about. Even if the frontpage is considered just a quick acces page.
Do you agree with this idea?
On the front page
Hello. I failed to send my first email using GNUmail with an error
message about authentication. Then the email compose window disappeared
(I as user expected the window still opened in case email fail to send).
Then I am thinking about resending, but facing two problems:
1. There is no
On 2009-05-08 15:36:47 +0800 Zhang Weiwu zhangwe...@realss.com wrote:
Hello. I failed to send my first email using GNUmail with an error
message
about authentication. Then the email compose window disappeared (I as
user
expected the window still opened in case email fail to send). Then I
am
Gürkan Sengün wrote:
Hello
I know this problem. Debian sid has the new gnustep, but the apps need
be rebuilt. Try http://sid.ethz.ch/debian/ for terminal.app and the like.
If you want to help, get a Debian Developer and maintain and sponsor
packages...
HI.
Thank you for the information. I
Hello.
There are gnome applications that usually minimize to tray and open a
window when user clicks a button on the tray. e.g. stardict, a
dictionary software, would sit in gnome tray most of the time, and in
most time does not display any window. It display a window when user
clicks its
zhangwe...@sumsung:~$ Terminal
2009-05-06 18:38:16.097 Terminal[2739] The font specified for NSFont, Helvetica, can't be found.
2009-05-06 18:38:16.098 Terminal[2739] The font specified for NSFont,
Helvetica, can't be found.
2009-05-06 18:38:16.114 Terminal[2739] The font specified for NSFont,
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hello Zhang,
please have a look at LaternaMagica in the GAP project. It is thought
exactly for that, it allows single-window browsing of a list of images and
recursively adds files given a folder. It also has full-screen and image
resizing capabilities.
Hi. Thanks
Gürkan Sengün wrote:
do you have gsfonts-x11 installed?
Yes I do. It is a dependency of gnustep.
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Niels Grewe wrote:
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:45:05PM +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
2009-05-06 18:38:16.098 Terminal[2739] The font specified for NSFont,
Helvetica, can't be found.
I believe I already ran into this one: If I'm not mistaken, the cairo
backend will use fontconfig, so you
The attached screenshot shows the problem.
It seems only related to cairo. I on another computer tried xlib and art
both work fine.
I tried various font for Terminal including Dejavu Sans, WenQuanyi
Bitmap Song, Courier 10 Pitch (at 10 Pitch), all have this problem. Only
lower half of the
Do you think it is needed to have image browser application?
Like gthum in gtk/gnome, mapivi in tk etc. For doing slideshow or
reading manga or selecting photos etc.
I didn't find one in existing applications. There are software that
shows single image though.
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
GWorkspace, SystemPreferences are noew released and maintained inside
gnustep
All these gives everyone an impression that everything is moving forward
and more organized.
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I did not find how to contact the webmast in the gap website so I just
post it here. I'd propose small change on the index page to make it less
confusing for newbies like me.
What I did is to add short description to alive projects and hide the
hibernating projects. Maybe there should be a
I knew Backbone projects are now collected in the GAP but where is it?
TextEdit is not mentioned on the site. Can you get me a download link?
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David Chisnall wrote:
Possibly you have a very wide screen / browser window, but for me that
ends up displaying the text in very difficult-to-read, small,
columns. Your eye is drawn across the page, while the text goes
down. Very bad usability.
If you're going to put the description under
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
How about this:
file:///home/zhangweiwu/GNUstep_Projects/www.nongnu.org/gap/index:2.html
Silly me! Should be:
http://emerson.realss.com/index:2.html
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Riccardo Mottola wrote:
I understand what you want to change and appreciate your effort, but it is
confusing to me. I prefer without the descriptions. Furthermore, imagine
when new applications will be added! A real mess! In the future maybe some
kind of categorization will be needed.
You are
Probably I should file bugs on
https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?group=gap but there are only two
existing bug report there which give me the impression that bugs are not
tracked there (is it tracked on per-subproject basis?)
* Terminal does not allow copy while scrolling, makes it not
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Browser Vespucci had quite some talk, so it should be correctly represented on
the front page.
That reminds me something. How is Simple Webkit going on? Google shows
last latest status was 1 year ago:
http://gnustep.blogspot.com/2008/02/simplewebkit-status.html
I
Fred Kiefer wrote:
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
* man page not readable (see attached screenshot where I put xterm
as comparison)
I just tried and I can use man just fine here, no funny characters. I have
never seen your problem, sorry.
Perhaps it is a font issue? Which
Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
My bad! It was supposed to have been now.
Where? It isn't listed on the home page
http://www.nongnu.org/gap/
When you tell me the URI it is hosted on, I'll see if I can update this
wiki too for other newbies.
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Gregory Casamento wrote:
Terminal is now maintained at the GAP project: http://gap.nongnu.org
I know. Maybe I am the only stupid guy, but I did not see the word
Terminal on the web link you gave me, nor on any of the sub-level
links of the site, hence I ask for the exact URI where I can find
Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
I provided the link my previous e-mail:
http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gap/system-apps/Terminal/?root=gap
Like I mentioned before, it hasn't been officially released, so you'll
need to get it by CVS.
Thanks. I got it compiled and running now. :)
Omniscient wrote:
On May 4, 10:09 pm, Zhang Weiwu zhangwe...@realss.com wrote:
You are write. I just write to confirm that gnustep application in xlib
also does not support XIM. This would be a big problem because it seems
gnustep also doesn't support iiimf, which means there are no way
Dennis Leeuw wrote:
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
GNUStep Library http://gnustep.made-it.com/
This is/was my project to help the GNUstep project... the last time I
actually worked on it I was trying to write man-pages for all the
GNUstep tools and I had the arrangement with Enrico to incorporate
Hello.
In TextEditor or Terminal (in fact, all GNUstep applications) xim (scim
1.0) doesn't seem to work.
I don't know if other xim works, in my case I made sure environment
variables are correctly set, and Chinese input is working fine for gtk
applications like firefox thunderbird. With
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hi,
* How can I hide the .dot files in open document dialgue?
Install SystemPreferences and check all the options there, there'll be one
for hide dot files.
Exact.
SystemPreferences - FileSystem - Hide dot files.
Hi. I checked Preferences.app which
Omniscient wrote:
On May 3, 3:17 pm, Zhang Weiwu zhangwe...@realss.com wrote:
Hello.
In TextEditor or Terminal (in fact, all GNUstep applications) xim (scim
1.0) doesn't seem to work.
I have been looking forward to iiimf but I never really
use these things so I don't really know
Omniscient wrote:
On May 3, 5:02 pm, Pete French p...@twisted.org.uk wrote:
but TimeMon has a buig in it - the first time you start it then it
will not animate the icon. You need to quit it and start it a second
time - the second time it works properly. I have never used AClock so I
dn;t
Wolfgang Lux wrote:
This is a backend bug.
Hi. By backend bug do you mean bug in AppKit or in art? If in art, I
guess I can workaround it by try get backend-xlibs running.
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张韡武 wrote:
Germán Arias ger...@xelalug.org wrote:
Have you installed gnustep-make?
Thanks very much for providing this information. But it doesn't work for me.
[snip]
I again failed trying to compile my own copy of gnustep.
I have been closely following the build guide:
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
All configure and make are done without error with exactly the same
configuration option as given in the guide (not even changing the
paths). Now I am at step III GNUstep Configuration, I found I could
not run defaults (command not found).
A closer look at the build guide
David Chisnall wrote:
Did you follow the step in 'Building the Makefile system' about
sourcing the GNUstep.{csh,sh} file? Without this file sourced (in
every shell you want to run GNUstep commands in), the GNUstep
command-line tools and GNUstep make will not work.
Hi. What you suggested
Omniscient wrote:
Since most of them who can deal with the problem were focusing on
building their own DE and they won't use Window Maker in any way
either were too busy with anything else. And no matter how many NeXT
zealots would say how much they love the current look, they can't help
either.
Just write to let everybody know I built gnustep with help from you.
Thanks. Problem solved.
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This has been asked on discuss-gnustep before but was unanswered:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss-gnustep@gnu.org/msg07102.html
In my case:
Pyrrhus:~/GNUstep/Backbone# make
This is gnustep-make 2.0.8. Type 'make print-gnustep-make-help' for help.
Making all in Frameworks/PrefsModule...
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hi,
To remove this icon, in System Preferences on Defaults select
GSSuppressAppIcon and set this on YES.
I am not sure how to do this. I have run Preferences.app but I do not
see any reference to this option and clicking on Add for either the
Domain or Defaults
Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
I would suggest against using anything from the Backbone project,
except for the fonts if you're using the -art backend. It's no longer
under development and is starting to suffer from bit rot.
Preferences.app can be replaced with SystemPreferences.app,
Terminal.app
During I am trying to look for information about setting up my own
gnustep based desktop, I found I have to look information and download
software pieces from here and there. With new input from Stefan
Bidigaray here is the updated my notes about the information / projects
I come across.
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
Hello
I managed to get back to use debian-repository version of gnustep
instead of compiling my own version, and suffer greatly from several
problems:
1. drag and drop almost never works. It freezes the application where
drag-drop occur for some time
Fred Kiefer 写道:
The problem with the xlib backend you are experiencing is most likely
due to it being of a different version than the gui library you
installed from the Debian repository. According to your mail the xlib
backend is version 0.16, which version are the other two backends you
Fred Kiefer wrote:
The problem with the xlib backend you are experiencing is most likely
due to it being of a different version than the gui library you
installed from the Debian repository. According to your mail the xlib
backend is version 0.16, which version are the other two backends you
What is the right way to manage docapp to start after login? Using
gnustep wmaker. I am trying to dock AClock TimeMon
Traditional way is to customize .Xsession. It doesn't work. If I start
AClock after logged in, it has a single animated application icon which
is what I need. If I start it
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 22:34 -0700, Yen-Ju Chen wrote:
I use Ubuntu/PPC and build GNUstep from source.
I have never had this problem though.
I do have an iBook running Ubuntu 7.04 and I wish/can/will get GNUStep
running there by compile from source, because that way at least I am in
the same
applications are launched by GWorkspace...
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Dear all
I during my googling around trying to build my GNUStep environment I
have seen many efforts to make a desktop system using GNUStep. Knowing
Etolie is active is a good thing but I just wish to know if other
related projects are still alive (and, maybe it's better they are not
alive so
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On 6/26/07, Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear all
In order to experience the latest development of gnustep I decided
(follow suggestion on this list) to compile it myself, on my Ubuntu
7.04
Basic packages
于 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:24:28 -0700
Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 写道:
Addresses is now hosted in GAP (http://www.nongnu.org/gap/).
It may work out of box.
There is another copy in Etoile, which should also work,
but it is split into framework and application part.
Thank you for your
于 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:30:37 -0700
Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 写道:
On 6/26/07, Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
于 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:24:28 -0700
Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 写道:
Addresses is now hosted in GAP (http://www.nongnu.org/gap/).
It may work out of box
usability.
Thanks a lot in advance.
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