On 28 Nov 2007, at 09:32, Markus Hitter wrote:
10.5.1 (Intel)
This is a brand new OS with a lot of design decisions not seen
before, so some failures aren't _that_ surprising. As Apple prefers
to collect 300 new features before offering them to non-paying
developers, switching to a
Hi,
On 2007-11-28 10:46:39 +0100 Dr Tomaž Slivnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am very seriously considering switching to a Unix variant + GnuStep (be it
Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc. - I do not know). The Unix layer of Apple is
definitively unsatisfactory. As is their approach to
Hi,
Last time I'd heard, Sun was not interested in releasing the
Lighthouse
suite of sources - but hey it's worth trying every once in a while,
they may
change their mind. Anyone know where www.quantrix.com got their code
base
from, was it written from scratch or licensed from Sun?
Hi Dr. Toma,
I appreciate the enthusiasm you put in your emails. I must say i share
many things you say, but not everything, especially not some of your
conculsions. While I appreciate your OpenStep-purism to the most
since I always fear too that gnustep looses itself and morphs into
ither
I suppose I should declare a vested interest - i.e. one of me having
*some* nice platform to work with.
Windows never was that.
Apple could have been that when they bought NeXT, but Mac OS X is
becoming increasingly more painful to work with.
Linux/Solaris/other Unix by itself (without
On 24 Nov 2007, at 01:04, Helge Hess wrote:
But really, you will never get an ObjC framework as easy to learn as
a framework built on interpreted languages, be it Seaside, RoR or
Zope. If you start with ObjC, you always need to deal with RC, with
makefiles, with GCC, etc etc.
This is the
On 23.11.2007, at 19:48, David Chisnall wrote:
Looking at things like SOGO and other WebObjects applications make
it seem so tantalising
Just for the record, SOGo (http://www.scalableogo.org/) is NOT a
WebObjects application. It makes heavy use of (is built around) SOPE
specific REST
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Manuel,
Gee, your
Hi Manuel,
I think Thom's comments are a little harsh, but I have to concur with
the underlying idea behind them. I am not exactly an Objective-C
neophyte - around 20K lines of code in the Étoilé repository are my
contribution and I have no problems digging through the -gui source to
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:22:29 -0500 Thom Cherryhomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TC | Gee, your responses are one hell of a cop-out.
TC |
TC | What about for those of us who don't have an 8 year old copy of
TC | WebObjects 4.5 to start off with? tough shit?
I'm very sorry I don't have better answer.
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:48:16 + David Chisnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DC| I think Thom's comments are a little harsh, but I have to concur with
DC| the underlying idea behind them. I am not exactly an Objective-C
DC| neophyte - around 20K lines of code in the Ãtoilé repository are my
On 21 Nov 2007, at 11:11, David Ayers wrote:
- There is no tutorial at all. The documentation (and I use the
term
in the loosest possible sense) says 'read the Apple WO4.5 docs.'
Unfortunately, these all talk about using WebObject Builder, a GUI
tool that doesn't appear to have a GSWeb
Thom Cherryhomes schrieb:
GSWeb has been pretty much the brain-child and pet of Manuel Guesdon
and the guys at OrangeConcept, who wrote it for their own purposes,
and build a commercial piece of software on it (which is crap, but i
digress.), They really don't give a damn about anyone else
On 21.11.2007, at 12:11, David Ayers wrote:
When we started it was
easier to port to GSWeb than to SOPE which was using a older API of
EOF
(at least at that time, I'm not sure if that has changed).
The EOF included is still the thing which is based on the original
GDL1. Though GDL and
Hi,
I am on -discuss but, I do not read all mails there. Obviously some of the
traffic should go to a
-marketing or -religion list sometimes.
I think it is a great time for GDL2 now, since Apple dropped support for Cocoa
EOF in Leopard.
They dropped the EOModeler and WebObjects Builder. You
Am 21.11.2007 um 14:51 schrieb David Wetzel:
I think it is a great time for GDL2 now, since Apple dropped
support for Cocoa EOF in Leopard.
... as they already had replaced it with a reviewed version dubbed
Core Data. The only advantage of EOF over Core Data I can see so
far is it's
On 13 Nov 2007, at 13:45, Helge Hess wrote:
On 10.11.2007, at 20:11, Jesse Ross wrote:
To pickup the Ruby example, I'm not aware of any killer app Ruby
or Rails provides.
Just to clarify, Rails _is_ Ruby's killer app. Rails is what
propelled Ruby onto the shelves of every bookstore I can
GSWeb has been pretty much the brain-child and pet of Manuel Guesdon
and the guys at OrangeConcept, who wrote it for their own purposes,
and build a commercial piece of software on it (which is crap, but i
digress.), They really don't give a damn about anyone else using it
but them.
(it's also
On 18.11.2007, at 18:42, David Chisnall wrote:
Seaside also has some really nice integration with Scriptaculous,
which makes it easy to produce shiny-looking web apps. Is there
any equivalent for GSWeb?
SOPE has a few constructs (eg page fragment reloads) which integrate
with Prototype.
Jesse, did you get a chance to check my post to the webmasters' ML? I
summarized what we've talked about in here, and added some things of my own:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnustep-webmasters/2007-11/msg4.html
Stefan
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On 10.11.2007, at 20:11, Jesse Ross wrote:
To pickup the Ruby example, I'm not aware of any killer app Ruby
or Rails provides.
Just to clarify, Rails _is_ Ruby's killer app. Rails is what
propelled Ruby onto the shelves of every bookstore I can think of;
it's what made people take a closer
On Nov 13, 2007 2:14 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the current code (since about 18 months ... before the
1.13.0 release) already allows you to set up system-wide defaults by
putting them in the GNUstep.conf file (and/or on a per-user basis by
putting them in
On 13 Nov 2007, at 14:02, Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
On Nov 13, 2007 2:14 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the current code (since about 18 months ... before the
1.13.0 release) already allows you to set up system-wide defaults by
putting them in the GNUstep.conf
Hi,
I think a site restructuring good. The current site makes thigns
difficult, although it improved a little over the time. Your proposal
sounds roughly pretty good.
I'd not change the design too much though, I got accustomed to the
current design, I don't rememebr who did it, but it is
of numbers.
And Dell has said it doubts it will ever sell an Ubuntu install as it is...
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If there is going to be a slogan, it has to clearly mention GNUstep's
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2) A nice slogan is good, but that's not really what we lack or need
most, is it ? I mean if the recent effort put into that discussion was
spent on the website, it would have been a bit more effective ;-) [not
throwing rocks to anybody, I'm the first to not have time at the
moment to work on
Message
From: Aria Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Nicolas Roard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:02:53 PM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
2) A nice slogan is good, but that's
I commented on each one before, but figured it was kind of useless,
instead, here is a summary.
In order:
1. Code Less, Deploy Everywhere
2. Make Your Users Smile(without the Today part)
3. Boost Your Development Productivity(without the (open source GUI)
thing)
Addition... it needs
FYI, I moved this conversation and added a summer to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnustep-webmasters/2007-11/msg4.html (I
think, at the time I wrote this it still hadn't been updated, check
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnustep-webmasters/2007-11/threads.html if
What is the perceived need GnuStep wants to satisfy? What is
GnuStep's goal / target audience/market?
Other than saying as many users as possible I'm not sure what
else to say.
No system/API/environment should ever specifically target a group
of people. People should find us useful and
Hi,
On 2007-11-09 10:23:18 +0100 Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I am trying to play my part in there, I am currently porting an
OPENSTEP/Rhapsody sound editor (Resound) first to OS X and later to GNUstep.
Progress is slow, I am currently facing some obstacles which
Hey,
On 2007-11-10 19:39:33 +0100 Gregory John Casamento
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For starters a browser... and, perhaps a set of office apps.
Vespucci is
a browser and it's in the gap repo. It uses SimpleWebKit. I'm
considering
porting an application called Bean.app which is a word
David Chisnall wrote:
Note that this is already possible; a packager can always grab Camaelon
from Étoilé and add a Camaelon package to their GNUstep metapackage, but
there is no information on the GNUstep site about doing this and so most
people don't. There are no screenshots on the GNUstep
Hi,
top posting is bad, but may I ask, did I write this? Almost. It is written
stronger than I would have.
I may though add that themability is a good thing, it has many uses, last but
not least to be able to make a single applicaiton look better in the rest of
the environment if this is
I'd not change the design too much though, I got accustomed to the
current design, I don't rememebr who did it, but it is fine.
This is the new design, in case you missed the link:
http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/site/02.png
Response has been positive overall, so that is what I am
Jesse Ross wrote:
I guess I didn't explain that point too well. What I was trying to
say is that image size detracts from the other contents on the page.
I agree that we should have GNUstep images on the homepage, just not
that big. When reading the content you had on that mock-up (I'm just
Hi,
A few (tongue in cheek) suggestions I have for a slogan are:
* GNUstep - The greatest API you've never heard of! * GNUstep - We
ain't
WindowMaker, Jack!
* GNUstep - Not your father's Cocoa!
* GNUstep - Differently Thunk.
*smiles*
you made me smile.
What about
GNUstep - the real NeXT
Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
That reminds me of another point worth discussing... the defaults
system. What you're saying here is not simple to do exactly because the
user HAS to change the defaults themselves. Take for example GTK+
settings, all a distribution have to do to get a new look is add
What I am missing on these web pages are the links for developers. OK,
this is very egoistic, but this was one of the few reasons for me to
check out the GNUstep page from time to time, it was a hub for
different
development links. We surely can improve on that :-)
What type of developers
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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32:56 PM
Subject: Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in
Leopard)
What is the perceived need GnuStep wants to satisfy? What is
GnuStep's goal / target audience/market?
Other than saying as many users
Jesse Ross wrote:
What I am missing on these web pages are the links for developers.
OK, this is very egoistic, but this was one of the few reasons for
me to check out the GNUstep page from time to time, it was a hub
for different development links. We surely can improve on that :-)
What
I am not asking for much, I have been a GNUstep developer for too long
already. What I want o find there is about the same amount of
information already at.
http://www.gnustep.org/developers/
GNUstep currently is mostly for developers and we should pay attention
to that. As soon as we have more
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- Original Message
From: Dr Tomaž Slivnik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32:56 PM
Subject: Re: GNUstep theming (was Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new
Folks, how about this:
GNUstep - strong shoulders!
or more wordy ones :
GNUstep - gentle giant with strong shoulders!
GNUstep - gentle giant with strong shoulders to make your app stand tall
Cheers!
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On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:53, Fred Kiefer wrote:
Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
That reminds me of another point worth discussing... the defaults
system. What you're saying here is not simple to do exactly
because the
user HAS to change the defaults themselves. Take for example GTK+
settings, all a
On 11 Nov., 03:57, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A few (tongue in cheek) suggestions I have for a slogan are:
* GNUstep - The greatest API you've never heard of!
* GNUstep - We ain't WindowMaker, Jack!
* GNUstep - Not your father's Cocoa!
* GNUstep - Differently Thunk.
On Sunday 11 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I agree that a nice slogan can help focus ourselves and others.
All the proponents of GNUstep can then use it to explain to others
what GNUstep is in just a few words.
Do you seriously think people are using KDE or Gnome because they
On 11 Nov., 12:23, Michael Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
muenchen.de wrote:
On Sunday 11 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I agree that a nice slogan can help focus ourselves and others.
All the proponents of GNUstep can then use it to explain to others
what GNUstep is in just a few
Am 11.11.2007 um 11:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The first level of users of GNUstep are developers who should use
GNUstep for creating great applications. So, the first target audience
for the slogan are OSS developers.
Nevertheless, developers rarely code for them selfes. They want to
Hello,
How about GNUStep - integrate your thoughts ?
I view GNUStep as a Desktop environment that enforces a consistent look
and feel of all aplications that run on the framework. That way the user
progressively assimilates the platform to a point that it becomes
natural to use and more the
On Nov 11, 2007 2:57 AM, Gregory John Casamento
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All,
Cocoa is mentioned routinely in the postings. If anyone can get through the
wall Malda has put up around anything non-KDE/GNOME at slashdot, it would be
much appreciated.
A few (tongue in cheek) suggestions I
Also... my own 2cents:
1) While GNUstep _is_ easy to install when people complain about
difficult installation they talk about:
- lack of *in your face* information on the website to install it
- lack of distribution packages
Yes GNUstep is really easy to install, just grab the tgz and make
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Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
On Sunday 11 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I agree that a nice slogan can help focus ourselves and others.
All the proponents
I've been following this discussion for a little while and I thought
I'd chime in with my 2¢ too:
GNUstep is easy to install from source, but most people regard 'from
source' as difficult. A huge problem with source installations is
that they don't integrate with your distribution's
On Nov 11, 2007 9:31 AM, David Chisnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The web site is terrible. Really, really, appallingly bad. Compare
the following two links:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040110101954/http://www.gnustep.org/index.html
http://www.gnustep.org/
Wow, I've only used GNUstep
The web site is terrible. Really, really, appallingly bad. Compare
the following two links:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040110101954/http://www.gnustep.org/
index.html
http://www.gnustep.org/
Wow, I've only used GNUstep for less than 2 years, so I had never
seen the older site. Why was
: Stefan Bidigaray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:41:47 AM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
On Nov 11, 2007 9:31 AM, David Chisnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The web site is terrible. Really, really, appallingly bad. Compare
GNUstep - make your users smile today
Great idea!
We should IMHO experiment a little with this phrase to try if we can
improve it (IMHO the today is not yet strongly enough saying that
GNUstep has a fast learning curve, rapid results and is mature - this
is why I had proposed to use the
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:52:11 AM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
The web site is terrible. Really, really, appallingly bad. Compare
the following two links:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040110101954/http://www.gnustep.org/index.html
http
GNUstep - make your users smile today
Great idea!
We should IMHO experiment a little with this phrase to try if we can
improve it (IMHO the today is not yet strongly enough saying that
GNUstep has a fast learning curve, rapid results and is mature - this
is why I had proposed to use the
As to the look, is there a reason why Camaelon still isn't part of
the standard GNUstep distribution? Yes, the default look is clean,
but it's clean and very 80s. Nesedah is clean and modern, and
Narcissus is even cleaner. Using GNUstep apps without Camaelon
feels like stepping through
As to the look, is there a reason why Camaelon still isn't part of
the standard GNUstep distribution? Yes, the default look is
clean, but it's clean and very 80s. Nesedah is clean and modern,
and Narcissus is even cleaner. Using GNUstep apps without
Camaelon feels like stepping through
On Nov 11, 2007 6:15 PM, Dr Tomaž Slivnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As to the look, is there a reason why Camaelon still isn't part of
the standard GNUstep distribution? Yes, the default look is clean,
but it's clean and very 80s. Nesedah is clean and modern, and
Narcissus is even
On 11 Nov 2007, at 18:39, Nicolas Roard wrote:
Let's be blunt: I don't care if GNUstep choose to have a new UI theme
by default,
although I really, really think it should. And it's not like you
wouldn't be able to switch back to the NeXT theme if you want.
I started writing a long reply to
From a users perspective, (i've skimmed the user interface guidelines
of the openstep spec) the simplicity of the UI, which includes the
dullness of gray is great at centering the user on the task (Besides i
like the way it looks). Don't have nothing against themes, as long as
the next look
I'm interested in coming up with a new site architecture and
design. I'll send some preliminary ideas to the mailing list in a
few hours.
Great!!!
Here is my preliminary design:
http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/site/01.png
It uses the following site structure:
Home
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Subject: Site Redesign (was: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard)
I'm interested in coming up with a new site architecture and design. I'll send
some preliminary ideas to the mailing list in a few hours.
Great
On Nov 11, 2007 1:46 PM, David Chisnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note that this is already possible; a packager can always grab
Camaelon from Étoilé and add a Camaelon package to their GNUstep
metapackage, but there is no information on the GNUstep site about
doing this and so most people
Tell me why GUI design would be more complex. Some more work can be
caused by color/tonality differences, but nothing we can't work out.
Well for one, if you're developing a new GUI control/element, what
are you going to do? Will you now have to develop a different version
for each theme
Forgot to CC the list...
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From: Stefan Bidigaray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Nov 11, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Site Redesign (was: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in
Leopard)
To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I like it, except for those
I like it, except for those pictures in the right, they are a
little too in your face. I do think we should have a screenshot on
the homepage, but I think it should be something a little more
subtle than that (and by that I mean smaller sized, like the way we
currently have it but not
Homegnustep.org
- Get Started /start (overview, downloads, installation)
- Documentation /documentation (wiki-based docs)
- News /news (planet-based)
- Status/status (CIA feed)
- Applications
Homegnustep.org
- Get Started /start (overview, downloads, installation)
- Documentation /documentation (wiki-based docs)
- News /news (planet-based)
- Status/status (CIA feed)
- Applications /applications
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Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Tell me why GUI design would be more complex. Some more work can be
caused by color/tonality differences, but nothing we can't work out.
Well
Hi
I've looked at implementing theming under GNUstep before. I started
writing patches to allow individual controls to be themed, and in
parallel, writing a theme engine that integrates directly with the
uxtheme API on Windows, for a native Windows XP/Vista look and feel. I
haven't got very
On Nov 11, 2007 4:34 PM, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about everyone else, but when I first visit a site for
an application, toolkit, or even programming language, I check out
the screenshots. It helps me to better understand what the project is
all about by being able to
, Inc
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- Original Message
From: Christopher Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:59:51 PM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Hi
I've looked at implementing theming under GNUstep
I guess I didn't explain that point too well. What I was trying to
say is that image size detracts from the other contents on the
page. I agree that we should have GNUstep images on the homepage,
just not that big. When reading the content you had on that mock-
up (I'm just curious that
I guess I didn't explain that point too well. What I was trying
to say is that image size detracts from the other contents on the
page. I agree that we should have GNUstep images on the homepage,
just not that big. When reading the content you had on that mock-
up (I'm just curious that
fantastic.
On Nov 11, 2007 5:29 PM, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess I didn't explain that point too well. What I was trying
to say is that image size detracts from the other contents on the
page. I agree that we should have GNUstep images on the homepage,
just not that big.
- Original Message
From: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Christopher Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]; discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:17:27 PM
Subject: Relative positioning (Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in
Leopard)
Chris,
Yes, because GNUstep has fixed
to the application via the palette.
Later, GJC
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- Original Message
From: Christopher Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:59:51 PM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features
Am 11.11.2007 um 17:41 schrieb Stefan Bidigaray:
At this point, it would probably be a good idea to separate all the
ideas and discuss them individually
O.k. let's begin. I skimmed through all the messages to find the
proposed slogans and put them together here in alphabetical order to
Now my take on the slogans. At first: I think we need to be clear
whom to address with the slogan. In my opinion we need to address
developers first, make them use GNUstep.
Am 12.11.2007 um 00:54 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
Am 11.11.2007 um 17:41 schrieb Stefan Bidigaray:
At this
if I want gummy and a Cocoa environment with the bestest and
latest bloatware included, I can, and always will, buy Apple.
Would I be far wrong if I guessed that most people involved in
GnuStep are old-time NeXTies who want to be able to continue using
their favourite user environment in
On Nov 12, 2007 12:13 AM, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GNUstep - Not your father's Cocoa!
GNUstep - The greatest API you've never heard of!
nice, I like the humor in it. But will a great API alone make
developers consider GNUstep?
I like both, probably with a
2.0 and other new features in Leopard
if I want gummy and a Cocoa environment with the bestest and
latest bloatware included, I can, and always will, buy Apple.
Would I be far wrong if I guessed that most people involved in
GnuStep are old-time NeXTies who want to be able to continue
A link to the wiki on the top menubar would be useful too. Another
useful addition would be a planet like feed aggregator.
Both are actually already in there :)
The wiki will live under Documentation, and News is the home for the
Planet.
J.
old packages for GNUstep.
GJC
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- Original Message
From: Reuss András [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Discuss GNUstep discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 4:44:41 PM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features
Hey everyone, I just wrote a sort of lengthy e-mail to the -dev mailing list
after the latest release, check it here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnustep-dev/2007-11/msg00016.html
I'm not going to write everything again, but the point I touch on is version
issues and how hard it is to even
As for the slogan, I really don't think GNUstep should try to be
the poor man's Mac. Mac really isn't that great (talking about
the Mac itself, not Cocoa), and not a lot of people use it. In my
opinion, GNUstep should try to put a gap between it and Mac while
emphasizing the
: Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Discuss GNUstep discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:43:48 AM
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
As for the slogan, I really don't think GNUstep should try to be
the poor man's Mac. Mac really isn't that great
On 10 Nov 2007, at 16:16, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
What you're saying is absolutely correct. GNUstep needs
applications more than anything now. Applications will help us
find the holes in gui and fill them in and they will inspire
developers and users to come to the platform.
On Nov 10, 2007 10:43 AM, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Call me cynical, but coming up with a slogan doesn't really seem like
a solution to the issues that we're having. We need developers, plain
and simple. In order to get developers, we need positive exposure.
That's not going to
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
On 10 Nov 2007, at 16:16, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
What you're saying is absolutely correct. GNUstep needs
applications more than anything now. Applications will help us
find the holes in gui and fill them
Am 10.11.2007 um 17:37 schrieb Stefan Bidigaray:
Packaging software, as far as the hard to install issue goes, is
the key.
I agree. To pickup the Ruby example, I'm not aware of any killer
app Ruby or Rails provides. But I could download a package and a
tutorial to test it within a few
To pickup the Ruby example, I'm not aware of any killer app Ruby
or Rails provides.
Just to clarify, Rails _is_ Ruby's killer app. Rails is what
propelled Ruby onto the shelves of every bookstore I can think of;
it's what made people take a closer look at Ruby.
That's what GNUstep needs.
Sorry for top posting, but surely you all have read the previous mails
and I just wanted to state how much I agree with them.
We, that is GNUstep, need to make a better impression on the market.
We are all lot better then how GNUstep is perceived. Now that a fresh
release of GNUstep is out, will
Am 10.11.2007 um 17:37 schrieb Stefan Bidigaray:
On Nov 10, 2007 10:43 AM, Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Call me cynical, but coming up with a slogan doesn't really seem like
a solution to the issues that we're having. We need developers, plain
and simple. In order to get developers, we
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