Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-19 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2013 13:57, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 18.09.2013 14:52, schrieb Pirmin Braun: You only have to pay extra when it turns out that you've become a company using the product permanently with more than 5 concurrent named users. Perhaps this distinction is too

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-19 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2013 14:30, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote: You are trying to combine a COTS business model (charging per use) with open source and that simply doesn't work. You need to either sell proprietary COTS software, or adopt a business model that works with open source.

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Pirmin Braun wrote: we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do you think about it? I'm not an expert, but I to feel like it will not work, that is, not be considered a OS licese. Have you checked OSI licenses? The last time I looked for a suitable license, I

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Gregory Casamento
Your statement here: It gives you all the freedoms, the GPL (tm) is meant for: - the freedom to use the software for any purpose, - the freedom to change the software to suit your needs, - the freedom to share the software with your friends and neighbors, and - the freedom to share the changes

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 17.09.2013 um 23:45 schrieb Pirmin Braun: we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do you think about it? I have been thinking for a long time about the same issue with QuantumSTEP... Did you look into running two different projects? One under some real open

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Pirmin Braun
Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:25:06 +0200 schrieb Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it : Hi, Pirmin Braun wrote: we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do you think about it? I'm not an expert, but I to feel like it will not work, that is, not be considered a

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Pirmin Braun
Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:45:43 -0400 schrieb Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com : Your statement here: It gives you all the freedoms, the GPL (tm) is meant for: - the freedom to use the software for any purpose, - the freedom to change the software to suit your needs, - the freedom

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2013 09:48, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: sure, that's right; but how can I express, that in real life usage it doesn't make a difference compared to LGPL for 99% of the users? what if I put it this way: ... It gives you practically all the freedoms, the GPL (tm) is

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Pirmin Braun
Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:23:20 +0200 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com : Am 17.09.2013 um 23:45 schrieb Pirmin Braun: we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do you think about it? I have been thinking for a long time about the same issue

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2013 10:18, Robert Slover rjslo...@me.com wrote: I always sort of liked the Alladin license - proprietary if you wanted the current release, while older releases got GPL'd. Submitted patches incorporated into the (proprietary) current release, so that they took a while to

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Pirmin Braun
Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:58:19 +0100 schrieb Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com : On 18 September 2013 09:48, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: * Don't invent new licences. If there is one around, that suites our case, I'd be glad to use it. The point you are making yourself but seem blind to is

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2013 10:31, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: If there is one around, that suites our case, I'd be glad to use it. Look harder. Look at dual licensing. I'm sorry, I know this is not what you want to hear, but seriously, I think you are making a serious mistake. the planned

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread David Chisnall
Hi, On 17 Sep 2013, at 22:45, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do you think about it? What is your goal with this license? I don't think that it will work to encourage contributors, because I certainly wouldn't send patches

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 18.09.2013 14:52, schrieb Pirmin Braun: You only have to pay extra when it turns out that you've become a company using the product permanently with more than 5 concurrent named users. Perhaps this distinction is too complex. Non-commercial use - free, commercial use - pay. Things have to

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread David Chisnall
On 18 Sep 2013, at 13:52, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:50:48 +0100 schrieb David Chisnall david.chisn...@cl.cam.ac.uk : Hi, On 17 Sep 2013, at 22:45, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread David Chisnall
On 18 Sep 2013, at 13:57, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Perhaps this distinction is too complex. Non-commercial use - free, commercial use - pay. Things have to be simple. Non-commercial use is a sticky point, especially for web apps. For example, if I run a free service that runs

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 18.09.2013 15:34, schrieb David Chisnall: For example, if I run a free service that runs the web app and allows anyone to use it, am I commercial? What happens if I put ads on it? What about if the ads are only covering the cost of hosting it? It doesn't matter. The point of a -NC licence

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Pirmin Braun
Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:34:18 +0100 schrieb David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org : On 18 Sep 2013, at 13:57, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Perhaps this distinction is too complex. Non-commercial use - free, commercial use - pay. Things have to be simple. Non-commercial use is a

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-18 Thread Ivan Vučica
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Pirmin Braun p...@intars.de wrote: Am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:34:18 +0100 schrieb David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org : On 18 Sep 2013, at 13:57, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Perhaps this distinction is too complex. Non-commercial use - free,

draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-17 Thread Pirmin Braun
we plan to license the upcoming IntarS 7 under this license. What do you think about it? -- Pirmin Braun - IntarS Unternehmenssoftware GmbH - Am Hofbräuhaus 1 - 96450 Coburg +49 2642 40526292 +49 174 9747584 - skype:pirminb www.intars.de p...@intars.de Geschäftsführer: Pirmin Braun, Ralf

Re: draft of a new Open Source Commercial License

2013-09-17 Thread Ivan Vučica
I don't think it would satisfy FSF's standards for a free software license not OSI's standards for an open source license. OTOH, I think license cannot differentiate between classes of users to satisfy FSF, OSI, Debian etc. I remember there was a discussion about a license that proscribed you