Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
Rich Braun writes: > never trusted in the first place). No fear of loss. And they can be shared > online with friends the same way one would share a Dropbox link. Voila, the > whole vacation photo-album problem is solved without having to resort to lame > Facebook or Google Groups solutions that I've always found pretty tedious. Well that's a feature I could use. I was going to make a website for all my pictures but this would be less work if there's not much needed from others to get them. It's a high bar though. My brother-in-law has long since given up trying to get people to follow Dropbox links to photos and home videos, for instance. -- Mike Small sma...@sdf.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
David Kramer writes: > I have a family. But if I didn't, there's still the problem of > multiple computers and Android devices. rsync is great for keeping > two computers up to date but what if you have a desktop and a laptop > and a tablet and a phone and there are some documents you want to > read/write on all of those devices? At the very least I would use > unison for bidirectional syncing, not rsync. I guess that could be handy. Personally if I had documents like that I'd put them in the one area I control that no one ever turns off -- that being my home directory on SDF's disk cluster -- and then I'd get it from there, maybe looking into sshfs if getting at them in emacs (via its tramp emacs lisp package, which, if you're unfamiliar with it, is something like gnome vfs) isn't adequate. Auto-syncing might be something I want at some point, for my music files and family photos/videos especially, but for the near future the storage sizes are so different on my three devices that I need to think a bit about what gets copied where, so something more manual or custom written makes more sense for me. Besides, I could use the practice at writing shell scripts and should learn more about udev, which is all probably more fun than whatever I'd need to learn to get going with nextcloud. Maybe I'd be more curious about it if nextcloud wrapped bittorrent in an easy way others would like, letting me use my friends' and relatives' computers to share, backup, and distribute pictures and videos of my son, done in a way where no central server (e.g. SDF) gets hit too much. Then again I'm not sure any of these people leave their computers on that long, except their phones and the storage on those isn't adequate yet, nor could I assume people would have the kind of data plan where they'd want to participate. On that topic, can you use non-web services like bittorrent, ssh and tor okay on t-mobile's network? Was wondering how general an ISP they are and if I'd be happy dropping RCN in favour of only using mobile hotspotting for home networking. My available network capacity is about 10 times what I seem to need, so I should buy less of it, to the degree there exist product options between too much and none at all. I had started to write something about Android devices in my first email, since I just got my first one a month or so ago, but thought I shouldn't take things on a tangent with my beginner questions (so feel free to skip this paragraph). Android seems to have some annoying issues. Anyone successfully run an alternative like Replicant or something Mer based? SailfishOS sounds kind of nice. Some of it may be solveable by rooting the phone but because of some software Samsung puts on this model, something called Knox, it sounds as if that's not such a good idea. According to threads online Samsung does some kind of remote attestation on the system software and will set a hardware flag, in a way that can't be unset, if you do certain things like root it or install another operating system. Oh, and btw. how did it come to be that phone operating systems are called firmwares or even ROMs? That strikes me as a massive piece of manipulative b.s. by someone or other, not to mention this term "sideloading." Can we thank Apple for this terminology? ... > On 06/19/2017 04:03 PM, Mike Small wrote: >> "Rich Braun" writes: >> ... >>> Even with all that, though, this looks like something I should've pursued >>> back >>> in 2013 when I first heard the software title Owncloud. If you've got trust >>> issues and "don't love the Cloud", read about it! >> SDF (the shell provider not the Syrian resistance group) offers owncloud >> or maybe its successor, but I haven't yet had a problem I thought it >> would be the solution for, so haven't looked into it. The trouble I have >> is that the only people I can think of I'd share files with this way >> would only go along with it if I used Dropbox instead. It's a similar >> kind of problem to what prevents me from ever encrypting any of my >> email. >> >> For files I don't share but sync between machines I figured rsync (using >> rsync directly? do Dropbox and owncloud use rsync under the covers? do >> the rsync authors ever get a $ or stock tip for their work backing >> Dropbox if so?) has a richer set of options and is more flexible. >> -- Mike Small sma...@sdf.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
Mike Small notes: > I haven't yet had a problem I thought it > would be the solution for, so haven't looked into it. The trouble I have > is that the only people I can think of I'd share files with this way > would only go along with it if I used Dropbox instead. ... > > For files I don't share but sync between machines I figured rsync (using > rsync directly? My main use-cases involve the household mobile phones. They aren't getting backed up (at all, really), and we use them for picture-taking far more often these days than back in 2013 and before (the cameras have gotten good enough that the old SLR we used to lug around is mostly gathering dust). Contacts and calendars become far more useful if they're shared with one another (I'm talking within the household, not with friends who I might point at Dropbox: I control all the software we use at home). At the moment we keep contacts on our own phones and it's hit-or-miss whether someone knows which email address or phone number is current or whether it's been saved at all. Calendars? Would like to but...if isolated to one phone, they haven't been all that useful. At lunchtime I toyed with the 99-cent Nextcloud iOS app. Got it to sync pictures back to my home server in, oh, nanoseconds. That means when we go on our next trip overseas (in a couple of weeks), the pictures we take will be streamed real-time onto our home server with unlimited terabytes of storage (vs the iCloud service which starts to rack up costs quickly, and which I've never trusted in the first place). No fear of loss. And they can be shared online with friends the same way one would share a Dropbox link. Voila, the whole vacation photo-album problem is solved without having to resort to lame Facebook or Google Groups solutions that I've always found pretty tedious. There are other use-cases I can imagine but these are the ones I've found in the first 18 hours of playing with the tool. Raw rsync won't do all that for you, unless you're an Android user and love to tinker around within the guts of mobile apps. -rich ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
I have a family. But if I didn't, there's still the problem of multiple computers and Android devices. rsync is great for keeping two computers up to date but what if you have a desktop and a laptop and a tablet and a phone and there are some documents you want to read/write on all of those devices? At the very least I would use unison for bidirectional syncing, not rsync. Dropbox is a solution for the multi-platform multi-device file sharing part (if you trust them), but Owncloud offers groupware too. And a CalDAV server and a CardDAV server. My calendar and address book on all of my devices sync with my personal Owncloud server, not Google. On Linux, I use Thunderbird for this with the Lightning and CardDav plugins. It has other applications, but those are the ones that are the most crucial and empowering to me. On 06/19/2017 04:03 PM, Mike Small wrote: "Rich Braun" writes: ... Even with all that, though, this looks like something I should've pursued back in 2013 when I first heard the software title Owncloud. If you've got trust issues and "don't love the Cloud", read about it! SDF (the shell provider not the Syrian resistance group) offers owncloud or maybe its successor, but I haven't yet had a problem I thought it would be the solution for, so haven't looked into it. The trouble I have is that the only people I can think of I'd share files with this way would only go along with it if I used Dropbox instead. It's a similar kind of problem to what prevents me from ever encrypting any of my email. For files I don't share but sync between machines I figured rsync (using rsync directly? do Dropbox and owncloud use rsync under the covers? do the rsync authors ever get a $ or stock tip for their work backing Dropbox if so?) has a richer set of options and is more flexible. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
"Rich Braun" writes: ... > Even with all that, though, this looks like something I should've pursued back > in 2013 when I first heard the software title Owncloud. If you've got trust > issues and "don't love the Cloud", read about it! SDF (the shell provider not the Syrian resistance group) offers owncloud or maybe its successor, but I haven't yet had a problem I thought it would be the solution for, so haven't looked into it. The trouble I have is that the only people I can think of I'd share files with this way would only go along with it if I used Dropbox instead. It's a similar kind of problem to what prevents me from ever encrypting any of my email. For files I don't share but sync between machines I figured rsync (using rsync directly? do Dropbox and owncloud use rsync under the covers? do the rsync authors ever get a $ or stock tip for their work backing Dropbox if so?) has a richer set of options and is more flexible. -- Mike Small sma...@sdf.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
Oh wow! I think I was the one that started talking about Owncloud. I'm still where I left off because the person I was working with to get mail/ssl working on my server stopped responding. I still have and use the old version of Owncloud (working OK but old enough that latest sync clients won't talk to it) on my in-house server. I'm now unemployed again so hopefully soon I'll be able to attack both the mail server and Owncloud. I was unaware of this split, but it looks like Nextcloud is the way to go. See the comparison between then https://nextcloud.com/compare/ and Owncloud's response to the split https://owncloud.com/owncloud-statement-concerning-formation-nextcloud-frank-karlitschek/ Since installing Owncloud on my Linode server was a failure, I am excited about trying Nextcloud instead, but maybe inside docker as in your previous link. Thanks! On 06/19/2017 02:35 PM, Rich Braun wrote: I got a private message alerting me to the OSS developers moving off Owncloud to perform their work on a forked project Nextcloud, so that's what I'm exploring now. It kinda-sorta replaces the idea of iCloud, and a lot of the google sync features, neither of which I've ever brought myself to trust. This tool will finally allow me to keep most of my iPhone's content synced to my personal servers. It looks like I've got calendar and contacts sync working, though there aren't really good tools for import/export of existing content (e.g. my 400+ contacts in the phone need to be manually imported to the Nextcloud). And the iPhone's settings screens are notoriously awful to figure out: the software maintains completely separate internal tables for multiple contact lists and multiple calendars, so you have to do some reading to figure out how to set the defaults to Nextcloud instead of local. Even with all that, though, this looks like something I should've pursued back in 2013 when I first heard the software title Owncloud. If you've got trust issues and "don't love the Cloud", read about it! -rich ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Docker and Own^h^h^h Nextcloud
I got a private message alerting me to the OSS developers moving off Owncloud to perform their work on a forked project Nextcloud, so that's what I'm exploring now. It kinda-sorta replaces the idea of iCloud, and a lot of the google sync features, neither of which I've ever brought myself to trust. This tool will finally allow me to keep most of my iPhone's content synced to my personal servers. It looks like I've got calendar and contacts sync working, though there aren't really good tools for import/export of existing content (e.g. my 400+ contacts in the phone need to be manually imported to the Nextcloud). And the iPhone's settings screens are notoriously awful to figure out: the software maintains completely separate internal tables for multiple contact lists and multiple calendars, so you have to do some reading to figure out how to set the defaults to Nextcloud instead of local. Even with all that, though, this looks like something I should've pursued back in 2013 when I first heard the software title Owncloud. If you've got trust issues and "don't love the Cloud", read about it! -rich ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
