Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
pippin;695977 Wrote: But you are aware that strictly speaking in some countries that support violates a number of laws (including most of Europe and the US) because it uses cracked DRM passwords. The only reason you can still provide is that Apple generally doesn't care about these things as long as they don't hurt their sales directly While it's clear why all of this is out-of-bounds for Logitech; I think that concluding that this support violates a number of laws (for US anyway) is overstepping given that Apple has not challenged it and laws regarding this stuff are very complicated (e.g. DCMA - note that iPhone jailbreaking was explicitly added as an exception. Different than this case, yes, but the point is that the whole legal area is far from clear). Anyway, Logitech obviously licenses Apple stuff legitimately and wouldn't have interest in gray areas. But there's no reason to make legal assumptions on third-party choices that aren't being legally challenged (or to discourage such third-party development based on hypotheticals). -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The code in AirPlay is there to provide copy protection so cracking it means you are removing DRM. I'm not a lawyer and can't really judge on DMCA but in Germany. That's clearly illegal, it's a common case for DVD ripping software which is very similar (uses a cracked one-time code to read the DVD). -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
All Linn DS products now with Davaar firmware support Airplay. Absolutely no hardware changes at all. Vortexbox player had AirPlay for a while. Software only. XBMC has AirPlay support. As has already been said the software is trivial to do, that's not the issue, and providing unofficial software support based on reverse engineering is entirely different to having an officially sanctioned product. I can't imagine Linn are an Apple technology licensee so they have nothing to lose (except money if the lawyers are set on them!), but Logitech will be under signed agreements and no doubt have lots of current and future products in the market based on those licences. Even now, a year on, as far as I'm aware airplay on consumer devices is still only available on a single hardware platform. -- RadBadMark RadBadMark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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For example computer peripherals of all kind mice keyboards and webcams and other stuff. Don't think they wan't to risk upsetting Apple . And iPod docks to.. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt;685857 Wrote: Vortexbox player had AirPlay for a while. Software only. XBMC has AirPlay support. But you are aware that strictly speaking in some countries that support violates a number of laws (including most of Europe and the US) because it uses cracked DRM passwords. The only reason you can still provide is that Apple generally doesn't care about these things as long as they don't hurt their sales directly -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;642540 Wrote: The statement _IS_ correct and no, I can not provide links and maybe nobody can, so you have to believe it or not. Sometimes the Internet is simpky NOT the best source of information. But please have a look for only a single AirPlay product that has a different chipset or uses an pre-existing WiFi design. All Linn DS products now with Davaar firmware support Airplay. Absolutely no hardware changes at all. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Vortexbox player had AirPlay for a while. Software only. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I started this thread a year ago -- how great that so many smart people have made real progress on Airplay. In the interest of full disclosure, the reason I was interested in it is because I've found my iPod touch is actually the best device I can find to manage all my podcasts through the Downcast app. For me, it's really about NON MUSIC audio. So, it's nice to be able to just continue to listen to a podcast that say I was already listening to in my car. And the multiroom feature of SB would be useful in this case, because I could have the podcast going everywhere in my house, making it easy to have something going in the background. Same is true of audiobooks etc...easier if you just use one device rather than having the same audio on both SB server as well as the device and trying to figure out where you left off. But I also agree, I think it's cool if someone comes over with their iPhone or iPod and they could instantly be the whole home DJ through Airplay! Great idea. -- robotron2 robotron2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33653 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pski;685750 Wrote: What would Airplay add? It would appear as a remote playback device to the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad, so you'd be able to stream music, etc. to the Squeezebox system direct from the iDevice. Great in the audiobooks example above or when friends come over with new music they want you to listen to. -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The statement _IS_ correct and no, I can not provide links and maybe nobody can, so you have to believe it or not. But please have a look for only a single AirPlay product that has a different chipset or uses an pre-existing WiFi design. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Apple is, as Apple does, as Apple limits. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RadBadMark;636849 Wrote: Of course you have to have a license with Apple! Bridgeco wouldn't be allowed to deal with you if you didn't, and anything that has Airplay in needs to be tested and certified by Apple themselves before it can be sold. Bridgeco are in the business of selling silicon and provide the hardware platform that's capable of Airplay, they don't (and wouldn't be allowed to) provide the software stack that runs on it for integration into anybody elses platform. I don't think you are right about that. Could you please quote, support that statement with links? -- analographi analographi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8951 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
jovapo;636980 Wrote: Where do you get shairplay for windows? All I can find is for linux. Do you have instructions for this step you can link to? http://sourceforge.net/projects/shairport4w/files/ -- ralphy Ralphy *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *12*-Squeezeslaves 'Squeezeslave' (http://code.google.com/p/squeezeslave/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donationsbusiness=LL5P6365KQEXNlc=CAitem_name=Squeezeslavecurrency_code=USDbn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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astfre0;636797 Wrote: Get ShairPlay4w, configure and install it as service (at least true if you are running a Windows box as Squeeze server), do sound setup, then enable the WaveInput Plugin and create a favourite. Done! Works like a charm. :-) Oh... Make sure you have valid Sound I/O on the server first. I had to actually buy a soundcard to get it. Not that easy to set up virtual sound card drivers on Win2008R2.. Where do you get shairplay for windows? All I can find is for linux. Do you have instructions for this step you can link to? -- jovapo jovapo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45082 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Get ShairPlay4w, configure and install it as service (at least true if you are running a Windows box as Squeeze server), do sound setup, then enable the WaveInput Plugin and create a favourite. Done! Works like a charm. :-) Oh... Make sure you have valid Sound I/O on the server first. I had to actually buy a soundcard to get it. Not that easy to set up virtual sound card drivers on Win2008R2.. -- astfre0 astfre0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47621 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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analographi;636182 Wrote: wrong. You don't even have to license with apple! You can license with them: http://www.bridgeco.com/apple-airplay/ Apple has partnered with them: http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/09/with-airplay-apple-opens-itunes-software-to-a-3rd-party/ Of course you have to have a license with Apple! Bridgeco wouldn't be allowed to deal with you if you didn't, and anything that has Airplay in needs to be tested and certified by Apple themselves before it can be sold. Bridgeco are in the business of selling silicon and provide the hardware platform that's capable of Airplay, they don't (and wouldn't be allowed to) provide the software stack that runs on it for integration into anybody elses platform. Bottom line: a firmware update could turn any squeezi into a true airplay endpoint to which we could stream from iphones, ipods, ipads or those who want itunes. This is very true from a technical point of view and would be fairly trivial to implement ..but as has been mentoned already - whether Logitech would want it, and whether Apple would licence it for integration into the squeezebox platform is another thing entirely :) -- RadBadMark RadBadMark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just to clear everything up here. 1: ANY router can do Airplay between airplay capable devices (only airport express can be used as an airport-analog-output-endpoint) 2: If squeezebox wants to support airplay, it can. Apple allows it. Don't know how much it will cost logitech though. 3: Squeezeserver actually doesn't need to have anyhting to do with airplay. Each squeezebox could be standalone an airplay device that shows up as speakers for any airplay source like iphone, ipad etc. 4: Itunes actually doesn't need to be any part in this either. For example: Wirless network with ANY router. iphone connected, squeezebox connected (no server, no pc, no mac) IF the squeezebox was a true airplay device the iphone could stream DIRECTLY to the squeezebox. Bottom line: a firmware update could turn any squeezi into a true airplay endpoint to which we could stream from iphones, ipods, ipads or those who want itunes. Personally I think if logitech doesn't do that they really risk something. They can make the squeezebox a valid accessory for apple devices and at the same time be what they are. For what is worth, I will not buy another squeezi if they aren't going airplay. I will just get an appletv and use it for audio only. I can put a death cheap appletv in any room in the house and stream from my iphone to it whenever and whereever I am. I'd love if the squeezi could do it, but if they dont, its my last one. A company does always good if they keep it compatible with as many services as possible. Ignoring airplay would be a huge mistake. -- analographi analographi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8951 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andyg;605108 Wrote: No, Apple does not make it possible. wrong. YOU don't make it possible! -- analographi analographi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8951 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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analographi;636181 Wrote: ... 2: If squeezebox wants to support airplay, it can. Apple allows it. Don't know how much it will cost logitech though.. I don't know about Airplay, but SqueezeBox asked Apple for years to license iTunes DRM support for it's players. Apple's response was a definitive no. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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analographi;636181 Wrote: . A company does always good if they keep it compatible with as many services as possible. Ignoring airplay would be a huge mistake. Yet Apple does not have native FLAC support. Within reason I agree more is better which in turn means more options to the user and the market in general. But if licensing for every possible closed source system out there (Apple, Zune, etc..) means driving up the price of the players, then I say forget it. It is rather comical, albeit sad also, the number of Apple and Zune users who come to these and other forums related to streaming music systems only to find out they are stuck with the hardware devices and limitations of the format they have bought into. Obviously they are seeking additional options, variety, features and choices to enjoy their music on other platforms, only to find out such platforms are not available too them based on restrictions set forth by their chosen platform source (i.e. Apple, Zune). -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
Based on my experience, it's going to take time before we see anything
official from Logitech regarding this, it always tends to get
complicated as soon as business agreements are required.
While we wait, there is always the already working third party AirPlay
solution for Squeezebox:
http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/762
It's a bit technical at the moment, but I'm sure it will improve pretty
fast as most other third party stuff tends to do around here.
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toby10;636185 Wrote: I don't know about Airplay, but SqueezeBox asked Apple for years to license iTunes DRM support for it's players. Apple's response was a definitive no. How do you know that? There are other things to prohibit agreements than a definite no. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;636221 Wrote: How do you know that? There are other things to prohibit agreements than a definite no. It was mentioned in here by one of the developers years ago. The general gist of the response was we've tried a number of times to discuss licensing with Apple/iTunes and we will continue to ask, but they won't cooperate. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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OK, on AirPlay Apple wants to cooperate and does so with a number of companies. The biggest hurdle I can see for a company who wants to use this is that Apple doesn't require just a license or something but that you also have to buy the chipset from their supplier. That can be a bummer. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;636235 Wrote: The biggest hurdle I can see for a company who wants to use this is that Apple doesn't require just a license or something but that you also have to buy the chipset from their supplier. That can be a bummer. The gist I got from speaking indirectly to someone who's been doing some development work on a similar thing is that Apple won't give you the DRM keys if you license it - you have to take the chipset with it already programmed. If that is still the case despite the key now having been cracked then it's going to make it a non-starter for any existing Squeezebox products, so it could only possibly be for new products anyway. I think the plug-in solution is the neatest idea anyway as it opens it up to all of the product line. -- paulster Web Interface sending music to the wrong player? Please vote for bug '17144' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17144) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yeah - I upgraded to the latest Wordpress release, and it killed my settings file :( You make a good point, though. The reason that I didn't do this is twofold: The audio quality via AO on my system (lacking Digital Recording facilities and so affected by a great deal of noise from the floating microphone input) was so poor that I'd never use it, and because I didn't feel that this form of low-level OS configuration should be exposed to (and therefore breakable by!) the Squeezebox Server user. Having said all of this, I have only one Squeezebox player - I can see how you may want each player reading from a different pipe in order to enable many connected iTunes/iOS clients to be playing different audio streams to many players, then you would need a change as you described. Cheers, Stuart -- srcshelton srcshelton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6591 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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srcshelton;627462 Wrote:
Airplay works, and I'm listening to iTunes via my Squeezebox right now:
http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/762
:D
Your blog has been down with a database error for several days now.
I'd like to suggest a small change to custom-convert.conf so that the
wave input plugin is still usable for other audio input devices.
Instead of hard coding the named pipe path in the config file change it
to $FILE$ and then use the named pipe path in the airplay favourite in
SBS. You need to remove the alsa, prefix and define it in as part of
the favourite for other audio devices.
Here an example from my custom convert. Note it's for 7.3.4 as I no
longer have the original file from your site.
Code:
#
# wavin
#
wavin wav * *
# R
[ecasound] -q -z:db -b:4096 -f:16,2,44100 -i $FILE$ -o stdout
wavin mp3 * *
# RB:{BITRATE=-B %B}
[ecasound] -q -z:db -b:4096 -f:16,2,44100 -i $FILE$ -o stdout | [lame]
--silent -r -x -q $QUALITY$ -b $BITRATE$ - -
wavin flc * *
# R
[ecasound] -q -z:db -b:4096 -f:16,2,44100 -i $FILE$ -o stdout | [flac] -cs
--totally-silent --endian=little --channels=2 --sign=signed --bps=16
--sample-rate=44100 --compression-level-0 -
To connect to airplay define the favourite like this, changing the
named pipe full path to match your setup.
Code:
wavin:/var/lib/squeezecenter/airplay-fifo.raw
to use the wave input plugin with alsa devices use need to add the
alsa, prefix before the device.
Code:
wavin:alsa,hw0,0
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Yes, I was aware there would be issues as it was a very quickly hacked-together proof of concept. Thanks for the feedback :-) The hairtunes pipe support was added specifically for SBS integration... -- mflint mflint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mflint;627605 Wrote: The hairtunes pipe support was added specifically for SBS integration... Excellent - I assumed it was for Macs... Any thoughts on whether there's any sensible way to multiplex multiple clients? You wouldn't want more than one playing at once, but if one client is connected but idle then it would be handy if another could connect and play. The current hack I'm considering is simply having a regular task which erases and recreates the named pipe if its mtime/ctime is older than a specified timeout... race-conditions abound, but hairtunes will re-open the pipe if it's disconnected when it next receives data. -- srcshelton srcshelton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6591 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It works, and I'm listening to iTunes via my Squeezebox right now: http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/762 :D -- srcshelton srcshelton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6591 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
srcshelton;627462 Wrote: Airplay works, and I'm listening to iTunes via my Squeezebox right now: http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/762 :D Great write-up! I started putting together a plugin, so will incorporate your instructions into it :) https://github.com/mflint/SquairPlay Matthew -- mflint mflint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I was still defeated by this forum's More replies below current depth... threading model... man that's complicated. How does anyone ever find a reply?! I've added a few comments to my article - I'm not sure your custom-convert.conf is right, but I think that's on your To-dos (there seems to be a typo on FLAC - you have a 44k sample-rate, rather than 44.1k?) Plugin.pm is still referencing plugins/WaveInput/, by the way ;) I've had no problems with fragility, quality, or skipping - just the very occasional pause. Is there an issue with hairtunes using different ports? I was under the impression that it was always UDP port 5000? Great work, though! -- srcshelton srcshelton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6591 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
Thoughts AFAIK the AV Receivers you mention are supporting UPnP and Squeezebox Server 7.6 (now in beta) should provide a UPnP server facility. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
I don't like Apple or iTunes or any of this. however, a number of new receivers from Onkyo, Denon, etc. are supporting AirPlay and it would be nice to use one of them as an addition to the Squeezebox network and let me put one of my SB units in another room. Thoughts? -- antagron antagron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41924 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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What about a solution like sonos is using? Is there any elegant way to do this using either a server box or sqeezebox? http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/19/sonos-adds-airplay-support-as-android-controller-app-hits-the-ma/ The squeezebox radio has ethernet and line in. -- jovapo jovapo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45082 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
The line in on the Radio is just connected to the amp, the Radio has no way of sampling the audio input to the line in jack. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
jovapo;626409 Wrote:
What about a solution like sonos is using? Is there any elegant way to
do this using either a server box or sqeezebox?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/19/sonos-adds-airplay-support-as-android-controller-app-hits-the-ma/
The squeezebox radio has ethernet and line in.
Would people be willing to buy an Airport Express just to get AirPlay
support through their Squeezebox ?
Feels like the solution discussed in the following thread sounds a lot
better. It can of course only be provided by third parties as it
probably balances on the border between legal/illegal which will make
it impossible for Logitech to provide it, but still.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86972
If you have an AirPort Express, you can always connect its line out to
the line in in the computer running SBS and use the Wave Input plugin.
That probably works already today but it might be a bit too user
unfriendly to setup so that probably makes it a less interesting path.
For me the only purpose of AirPlay support in Squeezebox is to:
1. To make it possible to stream audio from friends mobile phones
2. To make it possible to stream audio from third party iOS
apps/services which isn't available on Squeezebox. As an example,
YouTube might be of interest if AirPlay is able to stream only the
audio from the iOS YouTube app, but I'm not completely sure this is
possible, it probably require an AirPlay devices that also support
video.
I don't have any need to stream locally stored music from my iOS
devices as I already have that music in my SBS library.
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Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
Sonos just added Airplay support to their current line via an Airport Express setup. Press Blurb: http://zd.net/glJRJX -- jackaninny jackaninny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=273 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
jackaninny;626447 Wrote: Sonos just added Airplay support to their current line via an Airport Express setup. That at least answers the will they licence AirPlay to competing music streaming hardware companies question at least, assuming the report is accurate about what they are actually doing. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I was right to be somewhat suspicious of the announcement, it isn't quite what it appears. Sonos aren't really implementing AirPlay. They are just plugging an AirPort Express into the line in on one of their boxes. http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/19/sonos-adds-airplay-support-as-android-controller-app-hits-the-ma/ So the question is still open ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It would be nice if Sonos' claims in they press release were correct: Different songs in different rooms, Sonos-style: Only on Sonos can you play different music from your iTunes® library in different rooms of the home. And it's been that way since 2005. Unless I'm very much mistaken Squeezeboxes have also been able to do that for a long time. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
andynormancx;626483 Wrote: I was right to be somewhat suspicious of the announcement, it isn't quite what it appears. Sonos aren't really implementing AirPlay. They are just plugging an AirPort Express into the line in on one of their boxes. http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/19/sonos-adds-airplay-support-as-android-controller-app-hits-the-ma/ So the question is still open ;) Apple has said they are licensing Airplay (both audio and video streams) but it's a hardware AND software combo system. Obviously Sonos can't change their hardware in the field so they are using the Airport Express to bootstrap the software upgrade they just sent out. http://bit.ly/gornMF -- jackaninny jackaninny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=273 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
andynormancx;626485 Wrote: It would be nice if Sonos' claims in they press release were correct: Different songs in different rooms, Sonos-style: Only on Sonos can you play different music from your iTunes® library in different rooms of the home. And it's been that way since 2005. Unless I'm very much mistaken Squeezeboxes have also been able to do that for a long time. That's very cheeky, and they must know it's lies... -- mflint mflint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
bpa;607862 Wrote: Airplay audio still uses the old AirTunes protocol aka RAOP. This used to be open and a few open source projects were started and then the protocol was encrypted and development stopped. Although recently new efforts are being made to break the encryption such as RAOP support has been added to MPD but this approach won't help SBS support by Logitech. Given that the private key has been discovered and that an open-source AirPlay replacement has been released, I guess (hope!) it won't be long before a 3rd-party SqueezeCenter plugin appears... http://mafipulation.org/blagoblig/2011/04/08 (initial announcement) https://github.com/bbhoss/shairport (unofficial github mirror) -- mflint mflint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
bpa;607862 Wrote: It's about competition and control. AFAIK Apple hasn't made an AirPlay player for a PC. Airplay video has been hacked as the protocol is fairly open (so far) and some basic non Apple clients have been built for Linux and Windows. If competitive products to AppleTV start supporting Airplay perhaps things may change. Airplay audio still uses the old AirTunes protocol aka RAOP. This used to be open and a few open source projects were started and then the protocol was encrypted and development stopped. Although recently new efforts are being made to break the encryption such as RAOP support has been added to MPD but this approach won't help SBS support by Logitech. Apple didn't/hasn't released a version to stream TO a computer only FROM a computer to an iOS device. In order to go that direction your need AirPlayer or AirFrame (iOS to iOS). JBL is shipping their speaker/dock that is AirPlay enabled (http://www.onair.jbl.com/usa_onair.aspx) and Denon has a AV receiver. It's been confirmed that Apple does license AirPlay for audio (video is rumored to be coming soon) but it seems it's only for hardware at this point. Since Apple doesn't make their own speakers, televisions, AV equipment I doubt it's about competition - more likely just behind the curve on a broad rollout for the program itself. -- jackaninny jackaninny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=273 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
wsmknicks;607750 Wrote: Isn't Apple now currently licensing AirPlay to all kinds of hardware manufacturers? The do. The question is: under which Terms Conditions -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It's about competition. AFAIK Apple hasn't made an AirPlay player for a PC. Airplay video has been hacked as the protocol is fairly open (so far) and some basic non Apple clients have been built for Linux and Windows. If competitive products to AppleTV start supporting Airplay perhaps things may change. Airplay audio still uses the old AirTunes protocol aka RAOP. This used to be open and a few open source projects were started and then the protocol was encrypted and development stopped. Although recently new efforts are being made to break the encryption such as RAOP support has been added to MPD but this approach won't help SBS support by Logitech. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
bernt;607853 Wrote: I would love to have AirPlay on SBS even if I hate iTunes. It would be a perfect way for my wife and kids (and guests) to play their lossy crap files (music) on the SB. Don't want them to mess with my perfect database and my perfect flac library. ;) multilibrary plugin! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Isn't Apple now currently licensing AirPlay to all kinds of hardware manufacturers? I know this is a change from a few years ago. It would be great to have AirPlay on my SBB!!! -- wsmknicks wsmknicks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20272 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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barisacar;605600 Wrote: A USB cable? Are you kidding? Have you completely misunderstood the point of AirPlay?! ;-) By that argument, there is no need for AirPlay at all - just use a dock. Note also that one can AirPlay things from my ipod other than just music synced from iTunes. Several apps support streaming sound over AirPlay (such as Spotify, TuneIn Radio, etc - at least, so I'm told. I don't have an AirPlay device so haven't actually tried this myself). Of course I understand the point of AirPlay: to keep Apple kiddies in their own little corner listening to inferior quality music they all unquestioning buy from Apple.. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I would love to have AirPlay on SBS even if I hate iTunes. It would be a perfect way for my wife and kids (and guests) to play their lossy crap files (music) on the SB. Don't want them to mess with my perfect database and my perfect flac library. ;) -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pski;605414 Wrote: Rather than an airplay hook, why not make a guest folder that behaves similar to the music folder except that browsing it does not automajically add the tracts to the SBS database? Isn't the iTunes music folder available to a PC via a USB cable? A USB cable? Are you kidding? Have you completely misunderstood the point of AirPlay?! ;-) By that argument, there is no need for AirPlay at all - just use a dock. Note also that one can AirPlay things from my ipod other than just music synced from iTunes. Several apps support streaming sound over AirPlay (such as Spotify, TuneIn Radio, etc - at least, so I'm told. I don't have an AirPlay device so haven't actually tried this myself). -- barisacar barisacar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
Andy has said in a previous thread that Apple won't licence AirPlay to them. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=594400postcount=47 I'm guessing Apple aren't keen for people to integrate AirPlay into what is a competing eco system to the iTunes world. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
robotron2;605106 Wrote: It would be great if I could stream audio from my iPod Touch or iPad to the Squeezebox Server via Airplay. Is Apple making it possible for third parties to build Airplay reception into their devices? Has anyone pondered this...it could make a very cool plugin. but aren't all the tracks that are synched to your ipod or ipad already on your local computer and thus part of your SB server setup already? And any internet radio/pandora etc. from the ipod/ipad is also likely available direct from SbS. I'm not sure what this would add -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
andyg;605108 Wrote:
No, Apple does not make it possible.
Can you in that case explain how other companies can do speakers and
similar devices that support AirPlay ?
Sounds very similar to a Squeezebox supporting Airplay to me but I'm
probably missing something obvious.
I realize Logitech needs to get a license to use it, but that sounds
more like it's Logitech that doesn't want to pay than Apple making it
impossible.
I also realize supporting AirPlay is a decision by the business people
rather than the Logitech developers available on these forums.
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garym;605194 Wrote:
but aren't all the tracks that are synched to your ipod or ipad already
on your local computer and thus part of your SB server setup already?
And any internet radio/pandora etc. from the ipod/ipad is also likely
available direct from SbS. I'm not sure what this would add
Friend visiting who want me to hear a song on his/her iPhone maybe ?
For my local music library, which is available in SBS in FLAC format
instead of the AAC/MP3 format on the iPhone, I'll of course play it
through iPeng, Squeezepad or one of the other iPhone/iPad apps instead.
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erland;605328 Wrote: Friend visiting who want me to hear a song on his/her iPhone maybe ? For my local music library, which is available in SBS in FLAC format instead of the AAC/MP3 format on the iPhone, I'll of course play it through iPeng, Squeezepad or one of the other iPhone/iPad apps instead. Rather than an airplay hook, why not make a guest folder that behaves similar to the music folder except that browsing it does not automajically add the tracts to the SBS database? Isn't the iTunes music folder available to a PC via a USB cable? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pski;605414 Wrote:
Rather than an airplay hook, why not make a guest folder that behaves
similar to the music folder except that browsing it does not
automajically add the tracts to the SBS database? Isn't the iTunes
music folder available to a PC via a USB cable?
P
It's only the older iPod's that appear as a mounted disk when attached
to a computer, so this would work for most other portable players but
not for iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad. Still, I don't want to bring a
computer into the picture because my SBS computer might be in the
basement so it might not be that easy to access its USB port from the
living room. I want a wireless solution without a need to connecting a
cable between my friends iPhone and my SBS computer.
However, it should also be said that I don't really have this need very
often, so for me personally there are more important things to add to
the Squeezebox system than support for AirPlay.
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