Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-29 Thread banned for life

I'd like to see a system image like Vortexbox for the Pi.

That said, I have never used my Vortexbox VM's for playback.

So I guess I want a system image that just runs SqueezeSlave with just
enough UI to handle configuring the connection to the SBS.

Yes, for life



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-28 Thread mandryka

Has anyone tried opensqueeze solo?

http://www.vidabox.com/opensqueeze-solo-music-player.html

I have a Squeezebox classic which I control with tablets, they're linked
to a 2TB library for mostly FLAC files. What I'm worried about is not
just the squeezebox hardware failing (I have a backup in storage) but
the software becoming outdated. If spotify changed their encryption, for
example, or as new audio services emerge. This happened with Qobuz,
which I ditched a couple of years ago when I found their interface to
the Squeezebox wasn't seeing many recordings, and they weren't
developing it further because of Logitech's squeezbox policy.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-28 Thread Apesbrain

mandryka wrote: 
 Has anyone tried opensqueeze solo?
I'm sure it works but $250 seems a lot to pay for a device you can snap
together with $65 worth of parts from Amazon.  For another $35 you can
add digital outputs which the Solo does not have.

mandryka wrote: 
 What I'm worried about is not just the squeezebox hardware failing (I
 have a backup in storage) but the software becoming outdated.
Yes, that is the concern but there is little you can do about it* so why
worry?  If/when the time comes you can switch over to Sonos or BlueSound
or some newer solution.  In the meantime enjoyment of your Squeezebox
system is costing you nothing.

*You could update to LMS 7.9 beta if you haven't already done so.  It
has a No MySqueezebox option that removes any dependencies on Logitech
servers.  You'd continue to get Spotify using Triode's plugin.

Also, you could look into ickStream which is currently being developed
and provides alternative access to many streaming providers (not
Spotify):
http://www.ickstream.com



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-20 Thread JJZolx

Wait a minute... I was under the impression that the Aries Mini could
function as a Squeezebox client. But as I read about it, I don't see any
mention of that. Since it's running Linux, I suppose it could be done
with some tinkering, but if the product doesn't function natively as a
Squeezebox, how in the world can it be viewed as Squeezebox replacement?



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-20 Thread riffer

JJZolx wrote: 
 Wait a minute... I was under the impression that the Aries Mini could
 function as a Squeezebox client. But as I read about it, I don't see any
 mention of that. Since it's running Linux, I suppose it could be done
 with some tinkering, but if the product doesn't function natively as a
 Squeezebox, how in the world can it be viewed as Squeezebox replacement?

Hence my comment.  There are all kinds of devices or combination of
devices that can get a song from a hard drive to your speakers; but are
they able to match the user interface of LMS?

I've resigned myself to having to use some form of wireless device in
the future, as having a device with a display just doesn't seem in the
cards.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-20 Thread GRC

There seems to be a plethora of SB Touch replacements / killers, mostly
focused on improved SQ.  BUT - why do all the manufacturers continue to
think that i-Things or their Android equivalents are the UI of choice
and just produce headless devices?

I've played with RasPi-base solutions - sure they work well but it's
still nerdsville central.

I'm a long-time SB user and the ability to just stroll over to the
nearest SB Touch, SB Classic, Radio etc. (I have them all) to control
the music is seriously cool.  We have multiple i-Things dotted around,
but that's the point - they're not usually to hand, and then you have to
swipe to the relevant app (iPeng etc.), wait for it to sync, blah blah. 
Sure we use them as well but a touch display on the actual client costs
peanuts these days and I reckon it increases the marketability /
differentiation of the product.  We've also had visitors asking what's
that playing? and being able to just see from the clients is great.

Maybe I'm just the wrong target market these days but there are lots of
us greys around with money to spend on an easy-to-use high-quality
system.  And it hasn't stopped Sonos either.

An updated 24/192 capable SB Touch form-factor (display and Touch input)
with Spotify, Tidal etc. apps at around £250 sterling would be a killer
IMHO with a big name behind it.  Yes I know - it sort of exists thanks
to Triode -et al- but that doesn't count.

So I'm not getting rid of my Squeezes in the foreseeable future . . .



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-19 Thread JJZolx

riffer wrote: 
 I think it will all come down to the interface.  Can their Control App
 match LMS?

It may be that the control app is used mostly for setup. With no
native user interface, this would pretty much be a requirement in a
commercial product.

Looks promising. Essentially functions like a Receiver, but with no
status indicator light. Like the Receiver, there's no display and no
native user interface. The motherboard certainly looks very simple.
Probably also capable of running LMS, especially with its USB ports. Did
anyone see specs on the computer at the core of the device? CPU, RAM
size, etc.?

[image: http://zolx.com/images/ariesmini.jpg]

(photo from 'Digital Audio Review'
(http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/05/auralic-launch-aries-mini-streamer-at-munich-high-end-2015/))



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-19 Thread cathcam

axelwin wrote: 
 Yep, sounds really good replacement solution to old SBT, more
 informations here :
 http://www.audiostream.com/content/auralic-ariesmini
 http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/05/auralic-launch-aries-mini-streamer-at-munich-high-end-2015/
 

How does this work with an LMS?

Assuming my music is on a NAS that is ethernet attached to the same LAN
as the ariesmini and normally played via the LMS running on the NAS.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-19 Thread jimmypowder

Well certainly Auralic ,and Mr.Wang is no dummy over there, thinks the
market is ripe for a cheap audiophile streamer/dac. 

I can guarantee you the audio quality will be better then the SB Touch
and probably even the Transporter.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-19 Thread cathcam

Ikabob wrote: 
 Wouldn't it be nice if we could convince Logitech to begin production of
 the Squeezebox Line again.
 I believe they'd really be able to market them to bring in a very big
 profit. 
 The Squeezeboxes are irreplaceable. I'd be totally lost without all the
 beautiful entertainment that my Squeezebox ecosystem brings into our
 home. 
 Let's ask LOGITECH to make them again!

As others have stated, asides from they have no current hardware team, I
work in the PC design/manufacturing business, and even if you had all
the design diagrams and component specifications, the suppliers likely
couldn't supply identical components to go on the circuit boards... and
the redesign, testing and everything else starts to get more expensive.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-17 Thread jimmypowder

riffer wrote: 
   I think it will all come down to the interface.  Can their Control
 App match LMS?  

Not at this point . I have an Aries and while it's not as buggy as the
first software server from Slim Devices it's not as fully developed yet
.





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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-16 Thread axelwin

jimmypowder wrote: 
 Auralic mini .

Yep, sounds really good replacement solution to old SBT, more
informations here : http://www.audiostream.com/content/auralic-ariesmini

 Internal DAC
 compatible with streaming services (like Qobuz)
 DSD compatible
 internal hard drive can be added
 $400 only
 sound quality potentially close to much more expensive streamer + dac
system





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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-16 Thread riffer

axelwin wrote: 
 Yep, sounds really good replacement solution to old SBT, more
 informations here :
 http://www.audiostream.com/content/auralic-ariesmini
 http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/05/auralic-launch-aries-mini-streamer-at-munich-high-end-2015/
 
  Internal DAC
  compatible with streaming services (like Qobuz)
  DSD compatible
  internal hard drive can be added
  $400 only
  sound quality potentially close to much more expensive streamer + dac
 system

I think it will all come down to the interface.  Can their Control App
match LMS?



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-16 Thread jimmypowder

Auralic mini .





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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-10 Thread poing

alfista wrote: 
 Can you present a market analysis backing that?
I think there are two developments which would make a market analysis
interesting. First, the market exploded shortly after Logitech exited.
Second, the products offered on the market changed.

The first development is obvious. A lot more people want networked audio
and companies like Sonos are doing well. You can quantify the size of
the market by looking at sales volumes.

The second development is that the variety of networked audio systems
available has increased and some solutions out there are pretty mature.
Also, I'd argue that the systems which focus on streaming (as opposed to
local content in a client-server model) have been able to catch up as
streaming services have become ubiquitous. Thus, the competition is
fiercer than back in the day, making a re-entry by Logitech less
profitable.

I'm not sure which development dominates. In some sense, the two
developments are also intertwined. In a larger market, more niche
products tend to survive. So maybe has enough of a unique product to
succeed. It's also interesting to see that other firms still find it
worthwhile to enter the market. E.g., look at LG which just came out
which a bunch of Google Cast for Audio networked speakers.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-10 Thread alfista

Ikabob wrote: 
 I believe they'd really be able to market them to bring in a very big
 profit. 
 
Can you present a market analysis backing that?



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-09 Thread Ikabob

Wouldn't it be nice if we could convince Logitech to begin production of
the Squeezebox Line again.
I believe they'd really be able to market them to bring in a very big
profit. 
The Squeezeboxes are irreplaceable. I'd be totally lost without all the
beautiful entertainment that my Squeezebox ecosystem brings into our
home. 
Let's ask LOGITECH to make them again!



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Amplifier;ESS Heil Speakers(main listening speakers plus various
additional speakers). 
Multiple players: SqueezeBooms,SqueezeRadios; SB3;
Services:Slacker;Sky.com;Spotify (+Triode's Plugin)
Sirius.com;CalmRadio
Ipeng remote controller.

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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-09 Thread pippin

Michael is still no hardware team.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-09 Thread pippin

With which team would they make them?



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-09 Thread garym

pippin wrote: 
 With which team would they make them?

No more vacations for Michael.  :p



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-06 Thread Man in a van

CatBus wrote: 
 Wow... that is... wow, it sounds like exactly what I want.  Thanks for
 the pointers.
 
 Okay, so I've never done any of this before though.  I'm certainly game
 to try, but it's all new, so bear with my newbness.
 
 The Raspberry Pi--it's always just a board, no enclosure, right?  Are
 there multiple versions?  Are there people who make enclosures that
 would be applicable to this sort of use?  One of my locations is not
 remotely safe for exposed circuits, the others may be able to handle it.
 How do you, you know, keep it safe?
 
 Small LCD screens seem to be tough to locate.  I really only need 4-7,
 what do you suggest, and how do you connect it up to the Pi?
 
 HiFiBerry.com seems unresponsive at the moment, I'm assuming you'd only
 need the DAC+ to feed to a receiver or active speakers, correct?
 
 I figured visualizations would be the hardest part.  If SoftSqueeze
 could be made to work, I suppose I could run that, or maybe even a
 second, silent, synced player showing nothing but a visualization.
 
 And, squeezelite is the player app and jivelite is the remote app,
 right?  Can't squeezelite be controlled directly by keypresses?  Maybe
 I'm confused about what these things do.
 
 EDIT: and are there any restrictions on which IR receivers will work
 with the Pi?



I recommend iQAudio dac over the Hifiberry option.

An rpi 2 is a good opton, can be powered by a battery (don't know about
'safe' enclosures)

Look on Tindie.

A Joggler can do all the control you may want (I have not managed to get
one to work from a battery yet, but would imagine a dc/dc converter
would work).

Read over here, Pete is your side of the water and very helpful

http://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=2177

the link is just to put you on the right forum user.

atb

Ronnie



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-06 Thread atrocity

CatBus wrote: 
 I could probably handle #7 and #8 via the SlimServer web interface (or
 some other interface) on a phone or tablet, although I really do
 strongly prefer using the IR remote control over the web interface.

We all prefer what we prefer and there's nothing wrong with that, but if
you've never tried using one of the smartphone control apps I'd strongly
suggest that you try one.  You might be pleasantly surprised.  It's
really the best of both worlds in that it's small and handheld like an
IR remote but considerably more flexible because of the screen.

I'm fortunate in that all my official products still work as well
(though one has a dying IR sensor), but I've been playing with
Wandboards and RPis.  I really appreciate the fact that a Wandboard Quad
makes a great player (up to 24/192 out of the box) *and* server.  For
boring reasons, I run multiple servers and they've all been Wandboards
for a while now.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-06 Thread CatBus

Thanks for all of the responses so far.  I've got some good starting
points for research and experimentation.

It seems we're all in the same boat together--thanks to all who has the
time and knowledge to scope out this path a bit before me.

Seems quite a needless shame that no commercial product really fills the
gap left by the Squeezebox line.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-05 Thread CatBus

tcutting wrote: 
 I've got an RPi running squeezelite and jivelite (using SqueezeOnArch).
 jivelite responds to keyboard commands to navigate, and use FLIRC and a
 media center remote to generate the psuedo key-presses from an IR
 remote. I have an LCD screen (same resolution as Joggler, so can use the
 Joggler skin in jivelite) connected via HDMI. HiFiBerryPi AMP+ to some
 passive speakers - almost a Boom2.  Haven't figured out how to add
 visualizations, but the menus work OK, and Now Playing screen.

Wow... that is... wow, it sounds like exactly what I want.  Thanks for
the pointers.

Okay, so I've never done any of this before though.  I'm certainly game
to try, but it's all new, so bear with my newbness.

The Raspberry Pi--it's always just a board, no enclosure, right?  Are
there multiple versions?  Are there people who make enclosures that
would be applicable to this sort of use?  One of my locations is not
remotely safe for exposed circuits, the others may be able to handle it.
How do you, you know, keep it safe?

Small LCD screens seem to be tough to locate.  I really only need 4-7,
what do you suggest, and how do you connect it up to the Pi?

HiFiBerry.com seems unresponsive at the moment, I'm assuming you'd only
need the DAC+ to feed to a receiver or active speakers, correct?

I figured visualizations would be the hardest part.  If SoftSqueeze
could be made to work, I suppose I could run that, or maybe even a
second, silent, synced player showing nothing but a visualization.

And, squeezelite is the player app and jivelite is the remote app,
right?  Can't squeezelite be controlled directly by keypresses?  Maybe
I'm confused about what these things do.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-05 Thread CatBus

castalla wrote: 
 Joggler with sqpOS - a cheap Touch replacement.

Never used SqueezePlay--how does sqpOS/SqueezePlay handle playback
controls?  i.e. does it have its own controls, or does it rely on your
using a separate control interface via something like a web browser? 
What about Now Playing info?  Screenshots may be a better way to show me
how it works, but I haven't really found any good ones.

Like the touchscreen integration, though.  Not usable from a distance
like an IR remote, but pretty cool nevertheless.

FWIW, I'm very comfortable with software hacks, hardware hacks much less
so--so I was leaning toward a Tablet running SqueezePlay and attempting
to get an external IR receiver to function over USB or somesuch.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-05 Thread tcutting

CatBus wrote: 
 So, lucky me, every Squeezebox I own is still 100% functional.  But I
 know eventually something's going to break, and dammit I really like
 these things.  So to prepare myself for that dreadful day, I wanted to
 write out my personal feature wishlist (sort of prioritized), and see
 what's out there that best matches what I want.
 
 1. Ogg Vorbis support.  Yeah, let's start with a curveball, shall we? 
 100% of my music is in Ogg Vorbis format, so good support is a must, but
 on-the-fly transcoding is fine.
 2. Gapless playback
 3. Multi-device sync (without breaking gapless playback!)
 4. Multi-tagging + ALBUMARTIST support
 5. Replaygain support
 6. Ability to play Internet streams (i.e. radio stations)
 7. Ability to control playback from and show Now Playing
 info/visualizations on that device
 8. IR remote support
 
 As far as what's out there: for packaged products, we have Sonos, Olive,
 and various DLNA implementations (anything else?).  Then, for projects,
 we have, AFAICT, various ways to run SqueezeLite--on a Raspberry Pi, on
 an HTPC, on a tablet, etc.
 
 First off, did I miss anything?  Secondly, how well do each of these
 replacements stack up, relative to an actual Squeezebox?  If I
 understand correctly, #2, #3, and #4 are hard to come by in packaged
 products, and #7 and #8 might be hard to accomplish via SqueezeLite.  I
 could probably handle #7 and #8 via the SlimServer web interface (or
 some other interface) on a phone or tablet, although I really do
 strongly prefer using the IR remote control over the web interface.

I've got an RPi running squeezelite and jivelite (using SqueezeOnArch).
jivelite responds to keyboard commands to navigate, and use FLIRC and a
media center remote to generate the psuedo key-presses from an IR
remote. I have an LCD screen (same resolution as Joggler, so can use the
Joggler skin in jivelite) connected via HDMI. HiFiBerryPi AMP+ to some
passive speakers - almost a Boom2.  Haven't figured out how to add
visualizations, but the menus work OK, and Now Playing screen.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-05 Thread castalla

CatBus wrote: 
 So, lucky me, every Squeezebox I own is still 100% functional.  But I
 know eventually something's going to break, and dammit I really like
 these things.  So to prepare myself for that dreadful day, I wanted to
 write out my personal feature wishlist (sort of prioritized), and see
 what's out there that best matches what I want.
 
 1. Ogg Vorbis support.  Yeah, let's start with a curveball, shall we? 
 100% of my music is in Ogg Vorbis format, so good support is a must, but
 on-the-fly transcoding is fine.
 2. Gapless playback
 3. Multi-device sync (without breaking gapless playback!)
 4. Multi-tagging + ALBUMARTIST support
 5. Replaygain support
 6. Ability to play Internet streams (i.e. radio stations)
 7. Ability to control playback from and show Now Playing
 info/visualizations on that device
 8. IR remote support
 
 As far as what's out there: for packaged products, we have Sonos, Olive,
 and various DLNA implementations (anything else?).  Then, for projects,
 we have, AFAICT, various ways to run SqueezeLite--on a Raspberry Pi, on
 an HTPC, on a tablet, etc.
 
 First off, did I miss anything?  Secondly, how well do each of these
 replacements stack up, relative to an actual Squeezebox?  If I
 understand correctly, #2, #3, and #4 are hard to come by in packaged
 products, and #7 and #8 might be hard to accomplish via SqueezeLite.  I
 could probably handle #7 and #8 via the SlimServer web interface (or
 some other interface) on a phone or tablet, although I really do
 strongly prefer using the IR remote control over the web interface.

Joggler with sqpOS - a cheap Touch replacement.



Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers
Logitech Radio
Logitech UE Smart Radio
Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite
Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100
bluetooth speaker
O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers 
IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth
speaker
Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1  Vistron internet radio (Reciva)
Pure One Flow

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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-05 Thread Man in a van

CatBus wrote: 
 Never used SqueezePlay--how does sqpOS/SqueezePlay handle playback
 controls?  i.e. does it have its own controls, or does it rely on your
 using a separate control interface via something like a web browser? 
 What about Now Playing info?  Screenshots may be a better way to show me
 how it works, but I haven't really found any good ones.
 
 Like the touchscreen integration, though.  Not usable from a distance
 like an IR remote, but pretty cool nevertheless.
 
 FWIW, I'm very comfortable with software hacks, hardware hacks much less
 so--so I was leaning toward a Tablet running SqueezePlay and attempting
 to get an external IR receiver to function over USB or somesuch.
 
 EDIT: I'm also assuming SoftSqueeze is dead, but if it's usable I could
 consider that.  I don't mind running an old version of Java on some
 dedicated utility machine if that's what it takes.  I certainly do like
 the UI options on it.



Are you in the former commonwealth, or the UK?

Best way is to try a Joggler

atb

Ronnie.



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Re: [slim] Status of various Squeezebox replacement projects/products?

2015-05-05 Thread CatBus

Man in a van wrote: 
 Are you in the former commonwealth, or the UK?

Former colonies, I'm afraid. I'm looking up various Raspberry Pi
projects ATM, but having a Joggler or two shipped over wouldn't be out
of the question.



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