Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow)
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006, E L wrote about Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow): Hey, I think the lack of intrest in the topics that will go on the meeting shows more than anything the tiredness of people. In general this is a pretty bad time for originizing a meeting, people are in miluim, some people are far away from home, and some just doesn't want to get to ta right now and leave their families far away. Anyhow since I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, I will like to go to yadid state if possible in order not to ruin the majority needed. Eli, for those of us in the north traveling to Tel-Aviv for these meetings was never easy, and you're right that now it hasn't got easier for some of us, and some of our members are completely unavailable (drafter or refugees). But I don't think that's the issue. If I knew that today's meeting was going to be an important meeting, I would spend the 6 or so hours it will take me (include travel) for this important cause (yes, I see the Amuta as an important cause, even if some of us forgot why). BUT, looking at today's agenda, the most important part of which are elections with one candidate (Shlomi) for six positions (comptrollers and board), what's the point for me to come? Even if we do get quorum - and I seriously doubt that - what will we do - vote on the Amuta's dissolution? Vote on accepting the only 6 people who come as the new board and comptrollers? So unless someone can convince me otherwise, and people start nominating themselves for board, I doubt I will come to today's meeting :( -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Aug 6 2006, 12 Av 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Sign on a back of truck: Overtakers http://nadav.harel.org.il |beware, or you might meet the Undertaker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delay of Assembly (Re: Personal Beef)
All, In the light of Eli's and Nadav's remarks, with which I fully agree, I suggest to delay the current assembly in at least 2 weeks. The reasons are: 1. Too many people have been drafted, and have no availability to receive this list's mails, or to arrive to the assembly itself. 2. Perhaps even more people are abroad on vacation. 3. There will probably not be enough members in the assembly, which will lead to its postpone in 1 week. In 1 week's time, there will probably be no change in the above mentioned situation. 4. There will be an option to introduce the elections to Hamakor's board, in August Penguin 5, this Friday. We need more people to come to the assembly. We need more nominees for the board. We need this Amuta! Please revise the decision to hold the assembly today. Dotan Mazor - Original Message From: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: HaMakor discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow) Date: 06/08/06 14:18 On Sun, Aug 06, 2006, E L wrote about quot;Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow)quot;: gt; Hey, gt; I think the lack of intrest in the topics that will go on the meeting shows gt; more than anything the tiredness of people. gt; In general this is a pretty bad time for originizing a meeting, people are gt; in miluim, some people are far away from home, and some just doesn't gt; want to get to ta right now and leave their families far away. gt; Anyhow since I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, I will like to gt; go to yadid state if possible in order not to ruin the majority needed. Eli, for those of us in the north traveling to Tel-Aviv for these meetings was never easy, and you're right that now it hasn't got easier for some of us, and some of our members are completely unavailable (drafter or refugees). But I don't think that's the issue. If I knew that today's meeting was going to be an important meeting, I would spend the 6 or so hours it will take me (include travel) for this important cause (yes, I see the Amuta as an important cause, even if some of us forgot why). BUT, looking at today's agenda, the most important part of which are elections with one candidate (Shlomi) for six positions (comptrollers and board), what's the point for me to come? Even if we do get quorum - and I seriously doubt that - what will we do - vote on the Amuta's dissolution? Vote on accepting the only 6 people who come as the new board and comptrollers? So unless someone can convince me otherwise, and people start nominating themselves for board, I doubt I will come to today's meeting :( -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Aug 6 2006, 12 Av 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Sign on a back of truck: quot;Overtakers http://nadav.harel.org.il |beware, or you might meet the Undertakerquot; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Delay of Assembly (Re: Personal Beef)
What about those that will come? People who are listed in the Amuta gets mail via email and regular mail, notes about such assemblies are given on regular mail. Did not all people get it? -- Ori Idan Dotan Mazor wrote: All, In the light of Eli's and Nadav's remarks, with which I fully agree, I suggest to delay the current assembly in at least 2 weeks. The reasons are: 1. Too many people have been drafted, and have no availability to receive this list's mails, or to arrive to the assembly itself. 2. Perhaps even more people are abroad on vacation. 3. There will probably not be enough members in the assembly, which will lead to its postpone in 1 week. In 1 week's time, there will probably be no change in the above mentioned situation. 4. There will be an option to introduce the elections to Hamakor's board, in August Penguin 5, this Friday. We need more people to come to the assembly. We need more nominees for the board. We need this Amuta! Please revise the decision to hold the assembly today. Dotan Mazor - Original Message From: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: HaMakor discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow) Date: 06/08/06 14:18 On Sun, Aug 06, 2006, E L wrote about quot;Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow)quot;: gt; Hey, gt; I think the lack of intrest in the topics that will go on the meeting shows gt; more than anything the tiredness of people. gt; In general this is a pretty bad time for originizing a meeting, people are gt; in miluim, some people are far away from home, and some just doesn't gt; want to get to ta right now and leave their families far away. gt; Anyhow since I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, I will like to gt; go to yadid state if possible in order not to ruin the majority needed. Eli, for those of us in the north traveling to Tel-Aviv for these meetings was never easy, and you're right that now it hasn't got easier for some of us, and some of our members are completely unavailable (drafter or refugees). But I don't think that's the issue. If I knew that today's meeting was going to be an important meeting, I would spend the 6 or so hours it will take me (include travel) for this important cause (yes, I see the Amuta as an important cause, even if some of us forgot why). BUT, looking at today's agenda, the most important part of which are elections with one candidate (Shlomi) for six positions (comptrollers and board), what's the point for me to come? Even if we do get quorum - and I seriously doubt that - what will we do - vote on the Amuta's dissolution? Vote on accepting the only 6 people who come as the new board and comptrollers? So unless someone can convince me otherwise, and people start nominating themselves for board, I doubt I will come to today's meeting :( -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Aug 6 2006, 12 Av 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Sign on a back of truck: quot;Overtakers http://nadav.harel.org.il |beware, or you might meet the Undertakerquot; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Delay of Assembly (Re: Personal Beef)
One more reason: The state in the north. peoples may not come if there any warning sound and somthing the train is only untill Binyamina. 2006/8/6, Dotan Mazor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All, In the light of Eli's and Nadav's remarks, with which I fully agree, I suggest to delay the current assembly in at least 2 weeks. The reasons are: 1. Too many people have been drafted, and have no availability to receive this list's mails, or to arrive to the assembly itself. 2. Perhaps even more people are abroad on vacation. 3. There will probably not be enough members in the assembly, which will lead to its postpone in 1 week. In 1 week's time, there will probably be no change in the above mentioned situation. 4. There will be an option to introduce the elections to Hamakor's board, in August Penguin 5, this Friday. We need more people to come to the assembly. We need more nominees for the board. We need this Amuta! Please revise the decision to hold the assembly today. Dotan Mazor - Original Message From: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: HaMakor discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow) Date: 06/08/06 14:18 On Sun, Aug 06, 2006, E L wrote about quot;Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow)quot;: gt; Hey, gt; I think the lack of intrest in the topics that will go on the meeting shows gt; more than anything the tiredness of people. gt; In general this is a pretty bad time for originizing a meeting, people are gt; in miluim, some people are far away from home, and some just doesn't gt; want to get to ta right now and leave their families far away. gt; Anyhow since I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, I will like to gt; go to yadid state if possible in order not to ruin the majority needed. Eli, for those of us in the north traveling to Tel-Aviv for these meetings was never easy, and you're right that now it hasn't got easier for some of us, and some of our members are completely unavailable (drafter or refugees). But I don't think that's the issue. If I knew that today's meeting was going to be an important meeting, I would spend the 6 or so hours it will take me (include travel) for this important cause (yes, I see the Amuta as an important cause, even if some of us forgot why). BUT, looking at today's agenda, the most important part of which are elections with one candidate (Shlomi) for six positions (comptrollers and board), what's the point for me to come? Even if we do get quorum - and I seriously doubt that - what will we do - vote on the Amuta's dissolution? Vote on accepting the only 6 people who come as the new board and comptrollers? So unless someone can convince me otherwise, and people start nominating themselves for board, I doubt I will come to today's meeting :( -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Aug 6 2006, 12 Av 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Sign on a back of truck: quot;Overtakers http://nadav.harel.org.il |beware, or you might meet the Undertakerquot; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Personal Beef
הי עומר, אני אנסה לענות מהר, לפני שהדיון הופך למלחמה. היו לנו מספיק מאלו. Omer Zak wrote: Another activity to which I did not volunteer due to concerns about accessibility (to committee discussions and in access to information) was leading the AP5 effort (an activity, which Shlomi Fish eventually took upon himself, and then I joined to help him). בלי לנסות להלחם עם ההחלטה שלך, יש דברים שאפשר לעשות בפורום של שלושה אנשים שקשה יותר לעשות בפורום של עשרות או מאות. בהחלט ייתכן שההחלטה הזו התבססה על הנחות שגויות. Few weeks ago there were heated arguments about accessibility of a movie to be produced from AP5, and I saw that several people won't support accessibility and making the effort to fully include hearing-impaired people, זאת בהחלט דרך אחת לנסח את זה. דרך אחרת זה לטעון שאופי הדיון, שנבע מצורת ההתנסחות של כל המעורבים בו, לא אפשר דיון ענייני. אני גם אזכיר לך שלא היה מדובר ביוזמה של מארגני הכנס, אלא בתרומה של בן אדם יחיד. כאשר היה צורך בהתחשבות רשמית, קיבלת את כל מה שביקשת בגבולות האפשר. אם אתה מתחרט לגבי הזמן שביקשת לגבי ההקלטה של ההרצאות, אנא צור קשר ברשימה הרלוונטית ונדבר על זה מחדש. שחר
Re: Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow)
What we need now are people who come up and say I nominate myself, not those explaining why they don't. We already have enough of those... But sadly, your explanations are based on false assumptions: On Sat, Aug 05, 2006, Omer Zak wrote about Personal Beef (was: Re: Assembly tomorrow): However, I was concerned about accessibility i.e. being able to FULLY participate in board discussions. My cash flow situation also did not This board, as well as the previous board, held almost 100% of their deliberations online, using email and IRC, and hardly ever held any phone calls or physical meetings (I think the number of physical meetings was exactly zero). Your hearing problem would not have mattered one iota when it comes to board discussions. Few weeks ago there were heated arguments about accessibility of a movie to be produced from AP5, and I saw that several people won't support Omer, you obviously disagree with the board's decisions in this matter. Now is not the time to rehash whether they made a correct or wrong decision - now is the time to stand up and say I would have made a better decision and to nominate yourself for board. As a board member (if the two others agree with you, of course) you would have had the power to make decisions, not just suggestions, regarding that movie that troubled you. [To be fair, I must note that I got also supporting E-mail; however it came from very few persons.] Anyone nominating themselves for board should be prepared: some of your decisions are not going to supported by 100% of the people. Since people don't tend to send mails saying I agree with you, but somehow love to send mails saying you're stupid, you should have done THIS instead, you're going to get a lot of nasty mail. Unfortunately the outgoing board got so much of that it became really disgusting. It seems that as the Amuta grows, dealing with professional complainers appears to come with the job of board member :( -- Nadav Har'El| Saturday, Aug 5 2006, 11 Av 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Those who beat their swords into http://nadav.harel.org.il |plowshares will plow for those who don't. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
