Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[gilberto dos santos alves]

yah... this is very good news for all of us. mainly when we are not
root user, and are jailed without bash, zsh. thanks. i will read
carefully. regards.

2013/6/19, Victor Hooi :
> Hi,
>
> Hmm, Daniel Greenfeld (pydanny) seems to have written another one,
> DjangoAdmin 2.0 as well:
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5900083
>
> https://github.com/twoscoops/django-admin2
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>
> On Monday, 11 March 2013 12:08:54 UTC+11, Pantelis Petridis wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to add yawd-admin  to the
>> list. It's bootstrap, up-to date with the latest core admin changes,
>> stable, the github master fully supports django1.5 and has many goodies
>> like modal inlines, fancybox popups for add_related , custom widgets, db
>> settings, google analytics support etc.
>>
>> On Friday, December 14, 2012 11:36:19 AM UTC+2, is_null wrote:
>>>
>>> There are *many* apps providing bootstrap templates for
>>> django.contrib.admin, here a few:
>>>
>>> - https://github.com/michaelhelmick/django-bootstrap-admin
>>> - https://github.com/gkuhn1/django-admin-templates-twitter-bootstrap
>>> - https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
>>> - https://github.com/aobo711/bootstrap-django-admin
>>> - I myself did such templates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

Hmm, Daniel Greenfeld (pydanny) seems to have written another one, 
DjangoAdmin 2.0 as well:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5900083

https://github.com/twoscoops/django-admin2

Cheers,
Victor

On Monday, 11 March 2013 12:08:54 UTC+11, Pantelis Petridis wrote:
>
> I'd like to add yawd-admin  to the 
> list. It's bootstrap, up-to date with the latest core admin changes, 
> stable, the github master fully supports django1.5 and has many goodies 
> like modal inlines, fancybox popups for add_related , custom widgets, db 
> settings, google analytics support etc. 
>
> On Friday, December 14, 2012 11:36:19 AM UTC+2, is_null wrote:
>>
>> There are *many* apps providing bootstrap templates for 
>> django.contrib.admin, here a few:
>>
>> - https://github.com/michaelhelmick/django-bootstrap-admin
>> - https://github.com/gkuhn1/django-admin-templates-twitter-bootstrap
>> - https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
>> - https://github.com/aobo711/bootstrap-django-admin
>> - I myself did such templates.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Pantelis Petridis]

I'd like to add yawd-admin  to the 
list. It's bootstrap, up-to date with the latest core admin changes, 
stable, the github master fully supports django1.5 and has many goodies 
like modal inlines, fancybox popups for add_related , custom widgets, db 
settings, google analytics support etc. 

On Friday, December 14, 2012 11:36:19 AM UTC+2, is_null wrote:
>
> There are *many* apps providing bootstrap templates for 
> django.contrib.admin, here a few:
>
> - https://github.com/michaelhelmick/django-bootstrap-admin
> - https://github.com/gkuhn1/django-admin-templates-twitter-bootstrap
> - https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
> - https://github.com/aobo711/bootstrap-django-admin
> - I myself did such templates.
>
>
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

I just found ActiveAdmin, which seems to be a third-party Admin app for RoR:

http://activeadmin.info/

What are people's thoughts on this?

It seems to share quite a bit with Django's admin, but also has some nice 
features:

   - Inbuilt CSV/XML/JSON downloads
   - Easily customizable navigation bar
   - "Scopes" - subsections?
   - "Index Styles" - different versions of the index page (table, grid, 
   blocks, blog)
   - Customizable Sidebar

Anything we could use here to give us ideas for our own Admin efforts?

Cheers,
Victor

On Friday, 11 January 2013 05:09:46 UTC+11, Jason Kraus wrote:
>
> Thought I would share another admin rewrite effort currently in progress:
> https://github.com/zbyte64/django-hyperadmin
>
>
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Jason Kraus]

Thought I would share another admin rewrite effort currently in progress:
https://github.com/zbyte64/django-hyperadmin


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[AdminNext] Updates (was: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?)

[Amirouche B.]

Héllo,


Since my initial introduction, I tempered my excitement and tried to have a 
better understanding of the issues faced by the admin following the Django's 
guide to 
contribute, 
which resulted in me writing
a post  which I 
wish to contribute in a form or another in the AdminNext wiki 
page. 
I also did this because I couldn't get feedback the lazy 
way,
 
I'll bump the thread later in the month answering the questions myself and 
I invite you to do the same so that more people get interested in the 
discussion or start another topic with more relevant questions.

First, there is already work done regarding a new version of the admin that 
can be BC:

   - Dogfood class-based views in contrib.admin 
#17208 
   - Making it easier to customize Django Admin 
#18665 
   - View collections #16213  
   - API for simpler (permission or any) checks for generic view classes 
   #15215  

those have all code, are abandonned or not claimed anymore, all accepted 
except the last which needs a design decision.

In the analyze I did, I tried do separate the problem into two different 
topics:

- *code features* are all things put in place by the admin to make it 
possible to build upon it and implement user features
- *user features* is what is expressed as needs by the user, the 
general ergonomic, the things they need to be able to do

For instance «an application overview» is an user feature, the related code 
feature that will allow to do that are «dashboard API», «template 
overriding» and «hook another view in the admin site». What I think is that 
the admin is too much focused on code features notably on models. I think 
the admin is model centric, to my mind it would be better if it was 
groups-centric, groups of users and groups of process or permissions which 
in Django is simply referred as group. 

To my mind this reflexion doesn't change the fact that the admin should be 
more extensible and pluggable. So what I envision right now about AdminNext 
is the following:

- Pluggable and extensible admin components
- Groups centric API to build application backends
- Use the above to implement a similar admin as current admin

I still think django-composite can be relevant, but I need to tweak it a 
bit and also fully implement the ChangeList to have more things to back it. 
If composite is not accepted then I think it's still possible to achieve 
something similar with template tags. Spoiler: django-composite is meant to 
be able to replace template tags in certain scenario.

I think it's possible to do this BC and follow Django deprecation policy, 
but it won't be the quickest. I have no experience regarding this subject, 
but the worst scenario would be to do it outside without community feedback 
and then port all the things to Django which would result in the same path 
as the one that had followed the BC way.


Amirouche

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Amirouche Boubekki]

2012/12/24 Victor Hooi 

> Hi,
>
> What happened to django-hydro?
>

Héllo Victor,

I moved everything to an orgnanization named django-composite, I took the
name from *Travis S. *from the wiki, thanks to him, I find it great, it is
exactly that: https://github.com/django-composite/django-composite-admin

That said I didn't push for sometime now. I will probably make a
mini-annoucement on the user list so that people can give their feedback
regarding current admin solutions and AdminNext.

I prepared a presentation, so you might want to look at it:
https://speakerdeck.com/amiramazig/django-composite

Spoiler: It's somekind of
HMVC
or
since Django use MVT name, HMVT. So far it has been proven overkill for the
admin, but can be useful for middly complex widgets (Modal, Caroussel,
Collapse), at least it looks promising to me, I don't have editing yet, so
I will probably send a mail once this is done.

Thanks for your interest,

Amirouche

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

What happened to django-hydro?

Cheers,
Victor

On Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:27:38 UTC+11, Amirouche B. wrote:
>
>
> 2012/12/15 Amirouche B. 
>
>> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?

>>>
>>> I'm very interested in this topic and have some time to kill so I 
>>> started the wiki page don't hesitate to comment, correct, review and add 
>>> you own ideas.
>>>
>>
>> I made POC of django-hydro the widget composition framework using 
>> bootstrap, it's available at https://github.com/amirouche/django-hydro
>>
>> Could you provide more insights about the issues you encounter while 
>> using and trying to extend the admin or better update the wiki page 
>> https://code.djangoproject.**com/wiki/HydroAdmin
>>  or 
>> I'll add them myself.
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I moved the page to AdminNext, did a bit of cleaning and added other admin 
> apps, link https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/AdminNext
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Amirouche
>  
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Amirouche Boubekki]

2012/12/15 Amirouche B. 

> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>>>
>>
>> I'm very interested in this topic and have some time to kill so I started
>> the wiki page don't hesitate to comment, correct, review and add you own
>> ideas.
>>
>
> I made POC of django-hydro the widget composition framework using
> bootstrap, it's available at https://github.com/amirouche/django-hydro
>
> Could you provide more insights about the issues you encounter while using
> and trying to extend the admin or better update the wiki page
> https://code.djangoproject.**com/wiki/HydroAdmin
>  or
> I'll add them myself.
>

Hi,

I moved the page to AdminNext, did a bit of cleaning and added other admin
apps, link https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/AdminNext

Happy Holidays,

Amirouche

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Amirouche B.]

>
> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>>
>
> I'm very interested in this topic and have some time to kill so I started 
> the wiki page don't hesitate to comment, correct, review and add you own 
> ideas.
>

I made POC of django-hydro the widget composition framework using 
bootstrap, it's available at https://github.com/amirouche/django-hydro

Could you provide more insights about the issues you encounter while using 
and trying to extend the admin or better update the wiki page 
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/HydroAdmin or I'll add them myself.

Thanks in advance,

Amirouche

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Amirouche B.]

On Friday, April 27, 2012 1:06:06 AM UTC+2, Victor Hooi wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>

I'm very interested in this topic and have some time to kill so I started 
the wiki page don't hesitate to comment, correct, review and add you own 
ideas.

https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/HydroAdmin

Regards,

Amirouche

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Russell Keith-Magee]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Travis Swicegood wrote:

> Is there a wiki page on the admin and changes that are planned for it?
>  This comes up every few months with a "hey, I've done X with the admin,
> can we just use it to replace/update contrib.admin?"  Would be nice to have
> everyone's (and by everyone's, I mean Idan's) thoughts on where the admin
> is heading so this conversation doesn't have to keep popping up (or at
> least it can be answered by "go contribute to {{ insert url }}."
>
> /me goes back to yelling at kids on his lawn...
>
> To the best of my knowledge, no, this wiki page doesn't exist, and yes,
creating such a wiki page, gathering requirements and so on, would be a
good next step.

The other thing I would point out is that admin is a contrib app for a
reason -- it's a standalone app. It's entirely possible to recreate
everything Django's admin does as a third party application. If a third
party admin implementation were to appear that had a better feature set
than the existing admin, and/or a better codebase to start from, and there
was a reasonable migration path from old admin configurations to new admin
configurations, *that* might be a viable way to get a new admin into Django.

However, all of this is dependent on someone having enough of an itch, and
enough spare time to scratch it.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Travis Swicegood]

Is there a wiki page on the admin and changes that are planned for it?  This 
comes up every few months with a "hey, I've done X with the admin, can we just 
use it to replace/update contrib.admin?"  Would be nice to have everyone's (and 
by everyone's, I mean Idan's) thoughts on where the admin is heading so this 
conversation doesn't have to keep popping up (or at least it can be answered by 
"go contribute to {{ insert url }}."

/me goes back to yelling at kids on his lawn...

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On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:00 AM, is_null  wrote:

> I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning ...
> 
> 2. Secure CRUD one-liner goal
> 
> The new admin app should, like the current admin app, allow the user to 
> enable full secure (permission-based) CRUD in one line of code.
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

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I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning ...

2. Secure CRUD one-liner goal

The new admin app should, like the current admin app, allow the user to 
enable full secure (permission-based) CRUD in one line of code.

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

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On Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:13:03 PM UTC+2, Idan Gazit wrote:

> As I wrote, I'd like to have a clear idea of what a new admin will 
> accomplish before starting to bolt on enhancements, even great enhancements 
> like grappelli. 
>
> The admin was an impressively future-proof design, given that it is still 
> so useful years after it was designed. We should aim to make an admin that 
> will be relevant and useful five years from now; we can't design for that 
> without a couple of clear, simple goals. Grappelli may or may not align 
> with those goals.
>

As I just blogged: "Last year, I sent a letter to santa asking for 12 
transformers with super laser powers. I waited nicely and then received a 
little playmobil."

A couple of "clear, simple goals", you ask:

0. Loose coupling goal

The new admin app should not include ChangeList (ie. django-tables2), form 
rendering (ie. django-floppy-forms), queryset filtering (ie. 
django-filter), etc, etc 

1. KISS goal

The new admin app should not try to abstract the basics of Django elegant 
design. Instead of: admin.site.register(Foo, FooAdmin). I could use: 
url(r'myapp/foo/', admin.ListView.as_view(table=FooTableClass, 
filters=FooListFilters), name='myapp_foo_list'). Of course, I could use a 
shortcut / factory / something cool. But the new admin app would be so 
simple I wouldn't need ModelAdmin and I could override anything easily and 
I could even reuse parts of it in my own views (see "Loose coupling").

Hope this helps.

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Riccardo Forina]

The problem with the external app approach is that it will break the
integration between different apps. There is no way to avoid it.
Besides, developing something for the django.contrib.admin with an UI up to
the recent standards is quite difficult.

Going Bootstrap is not only the thing of the moment, is a great way to open
the admin app to a wide range of custom widgets already available to the
Bootstrap ecosystem, with the nice plus of an out-of-the-box support for
mobile devices. Commercially speaking, it's a winning choice.

I think that the actual fragmentation of the admin-bootstrap
implementations is pretty bad for the django ecosystem. No one sane of mind
would base his project on any of the available solutions because there is
no official one, and new releases of Django may (will) break it.

In my opinion, the solution is easy. The core team should choose a
project/team, bless it and wait to see how it will evolve. When ready,
integrate it on the core and made it available as an _alternative_ to the
default admin package.

On 14 December 2012 10:36, James Pic  wrote:

> There are *many* apps providing bootstrap templates for
> django.contrib.admin, here a few:
>
> - https://github.com/michaelhelmick/django-bootstrap-admin
> - https://github.com/gkuhn1/django-admin-templates-twitter-bootstrap
> - https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
> - https://github.com/aobo711/bootstrap-django-admin
> - I myself did such templates.
>
> My thoughts, in case it helps:
>
> - it takes just a few hours to convert Django admin to bootstrap, that's
> probably why there are so many admin/bootstrap apps out there,
> - but it's better to tweak colors, just converting the HTML to bootstrap
> ends in a too "grayish", "sad" interface IMHO,
> - it's a very popular demand - again that's why there are so many apps out
> there,
> - it's a great opportunity to make a cool navbar,
> - forms don't have .as_bootstrap() method, but django-forms-bootstrap
> provides |as_bootstrap. That's required for the admin/bootstrap integration
> to be "perfect", but optional to make it "good enough".
> - this can live in external apps anyway ...
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[James Pic]

There are *many* apps providing bootstrap templates for
django.contrib.admin, here a few:

- https://github.com/michaelhelmick/django-bootstrap-admin
- https://github.com/gkuhn1/django-admin-templates-twitter-bootstrap
- https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
- https://github.com/aobo711/bootstrap-django-admin
- I myself did such templates.

My thoughts, in case it helps:

- it takes just a few hours to convert Django admin to bootstrap, that's
probably why there are so many admin/bootstrap apps out there,
- but it's better to tweak colors, just converting the HTML to bootstrap
ends in a too "grayish", "sad" interface IMHO,
- it's a very popular demand - again that's why there are so many apps out
there,
- it's a great opportunity to make a cool navbar,
- forms don't have .as_bootstrap() method, but django-forms-bootstrap
provides |as_bootstrap. That's required for the admin/bootstrap integration
to be "perfect", but optional to make it "good enough".
- this can live in external apps anyway ...

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Jonas Geiregat]

> 
> >
> > Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to achieve
> > in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's contrib.admin -
> > is that right?


If I'm not mistaken the new admin interface couldn't be builded because none of 
the django core developers had the resources and time to start on such a large 
task.
Has the perhaps changed ?


> >
> > Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their thoughts
> > on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?
> >

This would indeed be a great asset to get started!

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Riccardo Forina]

Thank you! I discovered a video on the wild showcasing the installing and 
usage of django-admin-bootstrapped. If anyone is curious to see it in 
motion, here's the link (already at the correct 
second): http://youtu.be/St-30zsoDus?t=1h11m35s

On Friday, December 14, 2012 2:45:41 AM UTC+1, Victor Hooi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Wow, that does look nice =).
>
> I know it's just a re-skin, but I do like the look.
>
> It'll be curious to see whether the Django Core team would look at using 
> this, and/or whether they're doing a deeper overhaul of the Admin 
> interface...
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>
> On Friday, 14 December 2012 07:31:45 UTC+11, Riccardo Forina wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have an alpha version of a restyling of the django admin done with 
>> Bootstrap here: 
>> https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
>> Based on my personal experience - I'm using it on several production 
>> sites - it's working pretty well. 
>>
>> Maybe it can be a starting point for the UI revamp everybody is 
>> expecting. What do you think?
>>
>> Riccardo
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 23, 2012 11:05:57 PM UTC+1, Victor Hooi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Aha, I didn't realise he live in Tel Aviv. Perhaps I should FB stalk 
>>> people more *grins*.
>>>
>>> Well, our prayers are with you, Idan, hope you're keeping safe =).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jeremy Dunck  wrote:
>>>
 For the record: It's bad timing for Idan.  He lives in Tel Aviv which
 is currently receiving intermittent rocket attacks.  He may be a bit
 slow to respond.  ;)

 Let's wish him and his family safety and the luxury of worrying about
 django's admin in good time.

 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Victor Hooi  
 wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm guessing there aren't any updates on this? Lol.
 >
 > Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to 
 achieve
 > in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's 
 contrib.admin -
 > is that right?
 >
 > Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their 
 thoughts
 > on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?
 >
 > Cheers,
 > Victor
 >
 >
 > On Friday, 18 May 2012 20:18:59 UTC+10, patrickk wrote:
 >>
 >> I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & 
 feel (and
 >> then added some functionality like autocompletes).
 >>
 >> However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing
 >> admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, 
 being
 >> able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m 
 still
 >> missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.
 >>
 >> I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the
 >> admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea 
 because of
 >> some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and 
 I´m happy
 >> to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with 
 defining the
 >> so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. needs to 
 know when
 >> dealing with the admin-interface? What are the consequences (e.g., 
 does an
 >> editor care about an app-list, does he even know what it is)? What
 >> working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, ...)? How can we 
 publish
 >> the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s start ... but how?
 >>
 >> best,
 >> patrick
 >>
 >>
 >> Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote:
 >>>
 >>> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more
 >>> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 
 years
 >>> > time.
 >>>
 >>> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing 
 is
 >>> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented 
 admin.
 >>> I'm not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at 
 all, but
 >>> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue 
 will
 >>> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github.
 >>>
 >>> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd 
 like
 >>> it to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no 
 problem (read:
 >>> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, 
 but right
 >>> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I 
 think that
 >>> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to 

Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

Wow, that does look nice =).

I know it's just a re-skin, but I do like the look.

It'll be curious to see whether the Django Core team would look at using 
this, and/or whether they're doing a deeper overhaul of the Admin 
interface...

Cheers,
Victor

On Friday, 14 December 2012 07:31:45 UTC+11, Riccardo Forina wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have an alpha version of a restyling of the django admin done with 
> Bootstrap here: 
> https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
> Based on my personal experience - I'm using it on several production sites 
> - it's working pretty well. 
>
> Maybe it can be a starting point for the UI revamp everybody is expecting. 
> What do you think?
>
> Riccardo
>
>
> On Friday, November 23, 2012 11:05:57 PM UTC+1, Victor Hooi wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Aha, I didn't realise he live in Tel Aviv. Perhaps I should FB stalk 
>> people more *grins*.
>>
>> Well, our prayers are with you, Idan, hope you're keeping safe =).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jeremy Dunck  wrote:
>>
>>> For the record: It's bad timing for Idan.  He lives in Tel Aviv which
>>> is currently receiving intermittent rocket attacks.  He may be a bit
>>> slow to respond.  ;)
>>>
>>> Let's wish him and his family safety and the luxury of worrying about
>>> django's admin in good time.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Victor Hooi  wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm guessing there aren't any updates on this? Lol.
>>> >
>>> > Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to 
>>> achieve
>>> > in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's 
>>> contrib.admin -
>>> > is that right?
>>> >
>>> > Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their 
>>> thoughts
>>> > on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Victor
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Friday, 18 May 2012 20:18:59 UTC+10, patrickk wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & feel 
>>> (and
>>> >> then added some functionality like autocompletes).
>>> >>
>>> >> However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing
>>> >> admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, 
>>> being
>>> >> able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m 
>>> still
>>> >> missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.
>>> >>
>>> >> I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the
>>> >> admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea 
>>> because of
>>> >> some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and I´m 
>>> happy
>>> >> to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with 
>>> defining the
>>> >> so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. needs to 
>>> know when
>>> >> dealing with the admin-interface? What are the consequences (e.g., 
>>> does an
>>> >> editor care about an app-list, does he even know what it is)? What
>>> >> working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, ...)? How can we 
>>> publish
>>> >> the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s start ... but how?
>>> >>
>>> >> best,
>>> >> patrick
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more
>>> >>> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 
>>> years
>>> >>> > time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing 
>>> is
>>> >>> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented 
>>> admin.
>>> >>> I'm not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at 
>>> all, but
>>> >>> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue will
>>> >>> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd 
>>> like
>>> >>> it to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no problem 
>>> (read:
>>> >>> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, but 
>>> right
>>> >>> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I 
>>> think that
>>> >>> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to step back and think 
>>> about what
>>> >>> the admin should do.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -I
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Riccardo Forina]

Hi all,

I have an alpha version of a restyling of the django admin done with 
Bootstrap here: https://github.com/riccardo-forina/django-admin-bootstrapped
Based on my personal experience - I'm using it on several production sites 
- it's working pretty well. 

Maybe it can be a starting point for the UI revamp everybody is expecting. 
What do you think?

Riccardo


On Friday, November 23, 2012 11:05:57 PM UTC+1, Victor Hooi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Aha, I didn't realise he live in Tel Aviv. Perhaps I should FB stalk 
> people more *grins*.
>
> Well, our prayers are with you, Idan, hope you're keeping safe =).
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jeremy Dunck  > wrote:
>
>> For the record: It's bad timing for Idan.  He lives in Tel Aviv which
>> is currently receiving intermittent rocket attacks.  He may be a bit
>> slow to respond.  ;)
>>
>> Let's wish him and his family safety and the luxury of worrying about
>> django's admin in good time.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Victor Hooi 
>>  
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm guessing there aren't any updates on this? Lol.
>> >
>> > Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to 
>> achieve
>> > in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's 
>> contrib.admin -
>> > is that right?
>> >
>> > Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their 
>> thoughts
>> > on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Victor
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, 18 May 2012 20:18:59 UTC+10, patrickk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & feel 
>> (and
>> >> then added some functionality like autocompletes).
>> >>
>> >> However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing
>> >> admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, 
>> being
>> >> able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m still
>> >> missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.
>> >>
>> >> I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the
>> >> admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea 
>> because of
>> >> some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and I´m 
>> happy
>> >> to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with 
>> defining the
>> >> so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. needs to 
>> know when
>> >> dealing with the admin-interface? What are the consequences (e.g., 
>> does an
>> >> editor care about an app-list, does he even know what it is)? What
>> >> working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, ...)? How can we 
>> publish
>> >> the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s start ... but how?
>> >>
>> >> best,
>> >> patrick
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more
>> >>> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 
>> years
>> >>> > time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing is
>> >>> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented admin.
>> >>> I'm not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at all, 
>> but
>> >>> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue will
>> >>> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github.
>> >>>
>> >>> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd 
>> like
>> >>> it to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no problem 
>> (read:
>> >>> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, but 
>> right
>> >>> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I 
>> think that
>> >>> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to step back and think 
>> about what
>> >>> the admin should do.
>> >>>
>> >>> -I
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

Aha, I didn't realise he live in Tel Aviv. Perhaps I should FB stalk people
more *grins*.

Well, our prayers are with you, Idan, hope you're keeping safe =).

Cheers,
Victor


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jeremy Dunck  wrote:

> For the record: It's bad timing for Idan.  He lives in Tel Aviv which
> is currently receiving intermittent rocket attacks.  He may be a bit
> slow to respond.  ;)
>
> Let's wish him and his family safety and the luxury of worrying about
> django's admin in good time.
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Victor Hooi  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm guessing there aren't any updates on this? Lol.
> >
> > Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to
> achieve
> > in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's
> contrib.admin -
> > is that right?
> >
> > Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their
> thoughts
> > on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Victor
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 18 May 2012 20:18:59 UTC+10, patrickk wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & feel
> (and
> >> then added some functionality like autocompletes).
> >>
> >> However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing
> >> admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, being
> >> able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m still
> >> missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.
> >>
> >> I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the
> >> admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea
> because of
> >> some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and I´m
> happy
> >> to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with
> defining the
> >> so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. needs to know
> when
> >> dealing with the admin-interface? What are the consequences (e.g., does
> an
> >> editor care about an app-list, does he even know what it is)? What
> >> working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, ...)? How can we
> publish
> >> the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s start ... but how?
> >>
> >> best,
> >> patrick
> >>
> >>
> >> Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more
> >>> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5
> years
> >>> > time.
> >>>
> >>> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing is
> >>> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented admin.
> >>> I'm not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at all,
> but
> >>> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue will
> >>> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github.
> >>>
> >>> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd like
> >>> it to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no problem
> (read:
> >>> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, but
> right
> >>> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I think
> that
> >>> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to step back and think about
> what
> >>> the admin should do.
> >>>
> >>> -I
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Jeremy Dunck]

For the record: It's bad timing for Idan.  He lives in Tel Aviv which
is currently receiving intermittent rocket attacks.  He may be a bit
slow to respond.  ;)

Let's wish him and his family safety and the luxury of worrying about
django's admin in good time.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Victor Hooi  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm guessing there aren't any updates on this? Lol.
>
> Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to achieve
> in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's contrib.admin -
> is that right?
>
> Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their thoughts
> on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>
>
> On Friday, 18 May 2012 20:18:59 UTC+10, patrickk wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & feel (and
>> then added some functionality like autocompletes).
>>
>> However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing
>> admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, being
>> able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m still
>> missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.
>>
>> I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the
>> admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea because of
>> some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and I´m happy
>> to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with defining the
>> so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. needs to know when
>> dealing with the admin-interface? What are the consequences (e.g., does an
>> editor care about an app-list, does he even know what it is)? What
>> working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, ...)? How can we publish
>> the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s start ... but how?
>>
>> best,
>> patrick
>>
>>
>> Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote:
>>>
>>> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more
>>> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 years
>>> > time.
>>>
>>> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing is
>>> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented admin.
>>> I'm not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at all, but
>>> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue will
>>> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github.
>>>
>>> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd like
>>> it to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no problem (read:
>>> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, but right
>>> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I think that
>>> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to step back and think about what
>>> the admin should do.
>>>
>>> -I
>>>
>>>
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Stephen Burrows]

There is a project to create a third-party django admin. It is currently 
moving slowly, but it does have basic admin functionality.

https://github.com/django-djam/django-djam
irc: Freenode/#django-djam (if you want to ping me about it.)

--Stephen

On Friday, November 16, 2012 7:41:05 AM UTC-8, Christian Bertschy wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> At Divio we are working on a new look of the Django Admin for our 
> projects. To be clear, it's just the looks. I agree 100% with Idan that a 
> real revamp should consider not only the looks but also rethink the way the 
> admin works (and we all know that this is a huge difference :-)). 
>
> But in the meantime: https://github.com/divio/djangocms-admin-style
>
> It's still in beta, but feel free to use it or even better contribute to 
> it.
>
> Here are some screenshots:
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oicwr3g4wu9x1z1/VymKkK2FZM
>
> Have fun,
>
> Christian
>
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2012 1:06:06 AM UTC+2, Victor Hooi wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>>
>> I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping 
>> the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>>
>> Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5, 
>> 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Victor
>>
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Christian Bertschy]

Hi everyone

At Divio we are working on a new look of the Django Admin for our projects. 
To be clear, it's just the looks. I agree 100% with Idan that a real revamp 
should consider not only the looks but also rethink the way the admin works 
(and we all know that this is a huge difference :-)). 

But in the meantime: https://github.com/divio/djangocms-admin-style

It's still in beta, but feel free to use it or even better contribute to it.

Here are some screenshots:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oicwr3g4wu9x1z1/VymKkK2FZM

Have fun,

Christian


On Friday, April 27, 2012 1:06:06 AM UTC+2, Victor Hooi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>
> I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping 
> the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>
> Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5, 
> 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Christian Bertschy]

Sorry, the google drive link needs a login and google doesn't allow me to 
change that :-)

Therefore the dropbox link: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oicwr3g4wu9x1z1/VymKkK2FZM

On Friday, November 16, 2012 9:25:32 AM UTC+1, Christian Bertschy wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> At Divio we are working on a new look of the Django Admin for our 
> projects. To be clear, it's just the looks. I agree 100% with Idan that a 
> real revamp should consider not only the looks but also rethink the way the 
> admin works (and we all know that this is a huge difference :-)). 
>
> But in the meantime: https://github.com/divio/djangocms-admin-style
>
> It's still in beta, but feel free to use it or even better contribute to 
> it.
>
> Here are some screenshots:
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/divio.ch/folder/d/0BzukahwPSnHuVjZWdUtrcndBUVE/edit
>
> Have fun,
>
> Christian
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2012 1:06:06 AM UTC+2, Victor Hooi wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>>
>> I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping 
>> the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>>
>> Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5, 
>> 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Victor
>>
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Christian Bertschy]

Sorry, the google drive link needs a login and google doesn't allow me to 
change that :-)

Therefore the dropbox 
link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oicwr3g4wu9x1z1/VymKkK2FZM

On Friday, April 27, 2012 1:06:06 AM UTC+2, Victor Hooi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>
> I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping 
> the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>
> Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5, 
> 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Christian Bertschy]

Hi everyone

At Divio we are working on a new look of the Django Admin for our projects. 
To be clear, it's just the looks. I agree 100% with Idan that a real revamp 
should consider not only the looks but also rethink the way the admin works 
(and we all know that this is a huge difference :-)). 

But in the meantime: https://github.com/divio/djangocms-admin-style

It's still in beta, but feel free to use it or even better contribute to it.

Here are some screenshots:
https://docs.google.com/a/divio.ch/folder/d/0BzukahwPSnHuVjZWdUtrcndBUVE/edit

Have fun,

Christian

On Friday, April 27, 2012 1:06:06 AM UTC+2, Victor Hooi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>
> I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping 
> the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>
> Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5, 
> 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>
> Cheers,
> Victor
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

I'm guessing there aren't any updates on this? Lol.

Idan - you mentioned you'd like to get thoughts on what we hope to achieve 
in a new admin - basically, what is the purpose of Django's contrib.admin - 
is that right?

Is there some place that people can brainstorm or contribute their thoughts 
on this? Should somebody make a wiki page for collecting all this?

Cheers,
Victor

On Friday, 18 May 2012 20:18:59 UTC+10, patrickk wrote:
>
> I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & feel (and 
> then added some functionality like autocompletes).
>
> However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing 
> admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, being 
> able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m still 
> missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.
>
> I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the 
> admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea because 
> of some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and I´m 
> happy to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with 
> defining the so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. 
> needs to know when dealing with the admin-interface? What are the 
> consequences (e.g., does an editor care about an app-list, does he even 
> know what it is)? What working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, 
> ...)? How can we publish the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s 
> start ... but how?
>
> best,
> patrick 
>
>
> Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote: 
>>
>> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more 
>> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 years 
>> > time. 
>>
>> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing is 
>> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today. 
>>
>>
>>
>> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented admin. 
>> I'm not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at all, but 
>> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue will 
>> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github. 
>>
>> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd like 
>> it to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no problem (read: 
>> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, but right 
>> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I think that 
>> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to step back and think about what 
>> the admin should do. 
>>
>> -I 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[patrickk]

I agree with Idan. We mainly did Grappelli because of the look & feel (and 
then added some functionality like autocompletes).

However, it just doesn´t make sense to simply "beautify" the existing 
admin-interface. Rethinking the functionality, adding flexibility, being 
able to customize ... these are all necessary steps IMHO, but I´m still 
missing a clear approach/roadmap on how/when this should happen.

I planned to give a talk on djangocon.eu about how to improve the 
admin-interface. Unfortunately, I had to step back from that idea because 
of some customer-related projects. Still, the thoughts are there and I´m 
happy to discuss this issue anytime. This discussion could start with 
defining the so-called "trusted editor" – what does he/she knows resp. 
needs to know when dealing with the admin-interface? What are the 
consequences (e.g., does an editor care about an app-list, does he even 
know what it is)? What working-groups do we need (python, html/css, js, 
...)? How can we publish the process/discussion? And much more ... let´s 
start ... but how?

best,
patrick 


Am Montag, 30. April 2012 23:41:14 UTC+2 schrieb Idan Gazit:
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Brett H wrote: 
>
> > Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more 
> > important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 years 
> > time. 
>
> Fair enough, but that sort of flexibility is available now. Nothing is 
> preventing you from starting your 3rd-party admin app today. 
>
>
>
> The issue is Django's officially-blessed, officially-documented admin. I'm 
> not sure it's better to have admin in contrib (or contrib at all, but 
> that's a separate ball of wax). I have a feeling that this issue will 
> probably be addressed once again now that we're on github. 
>
> All the same, if there's going to be an official django admin, I'd like it 
> to give some thought to the issues I've raised. I have no problem (read: 
> would love) to draw upon existing solutions for an admin revamp, but right 
> now I don't have a fitness function to guide my decisions, and I think that 
> is necessary. Not a spec, just an attempt to step back and think about what 
> the admin should do. 
>
> -I 
>
>
>

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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Brett H]

Now that django is on github the best thing that could happen is to
set it free and split it out as a separate django-admin repository
that people can build on, and making site something like site =
load_admin_site(settings.ADMIN_SITE) so that people can do drop in
replacements. Not just that but splitting out the templates and static
assets into a django-admin-originaltheme repository.

In this fashion projects like grappelli can proceed in an opinionated
fashion on making changes to the admin as they see fit but remaining
compatible with the ModelAdmin specifications, and django can pull
back in the consensus commits. Grappelli does a lot of things right,
but now I'm wanting to drop twitter bootstrap in on top of it, and
tomorrow something else might be flavour of the month.

Increasing the flexibility for development and integration is more
important than trying to 2nd guess where we are going to be in 5 years
time.

On Apr 29, 6:13 am, Idan Gazit <i...@gazit.me> wrote:
> As I wrote, I'd like to have a clear idea of what a new admin will accomplish 
> before starting to bolt on enhancements, even great enhancements like 
> grappelli.
>
> The admin was an impressively future-proof design, given that it is still so 
> useful years after it was designed. We should aim to make an admin that will 
> be relevant and useful five years from now; we can't design for that without 
> a couple of clear, simple goals. Grappelli may or may not align with those 
> goals.
>
> -I
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Sokolowski wrote:
> > On that note, why can't the fruits of Grappelli be used as a starting point?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: h3
> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:01 PM
> > To: Django developers
> > Subject: Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?
>
> > I don't know the status of this project, but my guess is that you
> > shouldn't hold your breath for it.
>
> > Fortunately, there is Grappelli:
> >https://github.com/sehmaschine/django-grappelli
>
> > We are currently working on making it compatible with django 1.4 (see
> > the "grappelli_2_4" branch)
>
> > Alternatively the branch on my fork works pretty well with 1.4:
> >https://github.com/h3/django-grappelli/tree/grappelli_2_4
>
> > Cheers
>
> > On Apr 26, 7:06 pm, Victor Hooi <victorh...@gmail.com (http://gmail.com)> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
>
> > > Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>
> > > I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping
> > > the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>
> > > Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5,
> > > 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Victor
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Idan Gazit]

As I wrote, I'd like to have a clear idea of what a new admin will accomplish 
before starting to bolt on enhancements, even great enhancements like grappelli.

The admin was an impressively future-proof design, given that it is still so 
useful years after it was designed. We should aim to make an admin that will be 
relevant and useful five years from now; we can't design for that without a 
couple of clear, simple goals. Grappelli may or may not align with those goals.

-I 

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Sokolowski wrote:

> On that note, why can't the fruits of Grappelli be used as a starting point?
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: h3
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:01 PM
> To: Django developers
> Subject: Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?
> 
> I don't know the status of this project, but my guess is that you
> shouldn't hold your breath for it.
> 
> Fortunately, there is Grappelli: 
> https://github.com/sehmaschine/django-grappelli
> 
> We are currently working on making it compatible with django 1.4 (see
> the "grappelli_2_4" branch)
> 
> Alternatively the branch on my fork works pretty well with 1.4:
> https://github.com/h3/django-grappelli/tree/grappelli_2_4
> 
> Cheers
> 
> On Apr 26, 7:06 pm, Victor Hooi <victorh...@gmail.com (http://gmail.com)> 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
> > 
> > I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping
> > the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
> > 
> > Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5,
> > 1.6, 1.7 etc?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Victor
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Daniel Sokolowski]

On that note, why can't the fruits of Grappelli be used as a starting point?

-Original Message- 
From: h3

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:01 PM
To: Django developers
Subject: Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

I don't know the status of this project, but my guess is that you
shouldn't hold your breath for it.

Fortunately, there is Grappelli: 
https://github.com/sehmaschine/django-grappelli


We are currently working on making it compatible with django 1.4 (see
the "grappelli_2_4" branch)

Alternatively the branch on my fork works pretty well with 1.4:
https://github.com/h3/django-grappelli/tree/grappelli_2_4

Cheers

On Apr 26, 7:06 pm, Victor Hooi <victorh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?

I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping
the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?

Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5,
1.6, 1.7 etc?

Cheers,
Victor


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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Idan Gazit]

Hey all,

Yeah, you aren't missing anything — originally I wanted to wait for the 
formrendering stuff, but that never panned out, and then I got busy.

Grappelli is lovely. Without knocking it at all, I think that the next version 
of the admin should be as forward-looking as the last version, which means 
rethinking what the admin does, not just how it looks. Unfortunately, I haven't 
stepped up to champion this beyond idle thoughts.

As noted, "don't hold your breath" would be wise. Even if we did jump in on an 
admin rewrite tomorrow, the fruits of that labour won't be one release in the 
making. The transition would probably resemble newforms, with "newadmin" 
appearing alongside "admin" in one release, then admin deprecated to "oldadmin" 
for one release, and finally disappearing after that. We wouldn't even release 
"newadmin" as a thing until we had something functional and mostly stable. I 
don't see much point in speculating when that might happen.

-I  

On Friday, April 27, 2012 at 11:01 PM, h3 wrote:

> I don't know the status of this project, but my guess is that you
> shouldn't hold your breath for it.
>  
> Fortunately, there is Grappelli: 
> https://github.com/sehmaschine/django-grappelli
>  
> We are currently working on making it compatible with django 1.4 (see
> the "grappelli_2_4" branch)
>  
> Alternatively the branch on my fork works pretty well with 1.4:
> https://github.com/h3/django-grappelli/tree/grappelli_2_4
>  
> Cheers
>  
> On Apr 26, 7:06 pm, Victor Hooi  
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  
> > Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
> >  
> > I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping
> > the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
> >  
> > Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5,
> > 1.6, 1.7 etc?
> >  
> > Cheers,
> > Victor
> >  
>  
>  
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Re: Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[h3]

I don't know the status of this project, but my guess is that you
shouldn't hold your breath for it.

Fortunately, there is Grappelli: https://github.com/sehmaschine/django-grappelli

We are currently working on making it compatible with django 1.4 (see
the "grappelli_2_4" branch)

Alternatively the branch on my fork works pretty well with 1.4:
https://github.com/h3/django-grappelli/tree/grappelli_2_4

Cheers

On Apr 26, 7:06 pm, Victor Hooi  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?
>
> I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping
> the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?
>
> Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5,
> 1.6, 1.7 etc?
>
> Cheers,
> Victor

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Django Admin Revamp - Any updates?

[Victor Hooi]

Hi,

Is there any news on the Django Admin rewrite front?

I remember around a year ago, there was quite a bit of talk on revamping 
the Django admin UI - I think Idan Gazit was heading that, right?

Is that still on the Django roadmap? Any idea of whether it'll be in 1.5, 
1.6, 1.7 etc?

Cheers,
Victor

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