Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-17 Thread Carlton Gibson 
Sounds good.

(You mentioned adding an additional template block. You could put that in a
commit to look at as well if you think it's of value to you.)

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 at 08:14, Jacob Rief  wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 7:23:35 AM UTC+2 Carlton Gibson wrote:
>
>> > Can we at least agree to put an id="..." onto the  element
>> wrapping that list.
>>
>> That seems pretty minimal.   Do you want to open a PR so we can have a
>> look?
>>
>
> Okay, will do that.
> Any suggestions for a name? My proposal is id="deleted-objects".
>
> – Jacob
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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-17 Thread Jacob Rief 
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 7:23:35 AM UTC+2 Carlton Gibson wrote:

> > Can we at least agree to put an id="..." onto the  element wrapping 
> that list.
>
> That seems pretty minimal.   Do you want to open a PR so we can have a 
> look? 
>

Okay, will do that.
Any suggestions for a name? My proposal is id="deleted-objects".

– Jacob
 

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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Carlton Gibson 
> Can we at least agree to put an id="..." onto the  element wrapping
that list.

That seems pretty minimal.   Do you want to open a PR so we can have a
look?

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 21:58, Jacob Rief  wrote:

> Can we at least agree to put an id="..." onto the  element wrapping
> that list.
> That would help me to add some JS and CSS to the overwritten
> delete_selected_confirmation template without
> having to copy a huge block of HTML code from that template.
>
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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Jacob Rief 
Can we at least agree to put an id="..." onto the  element wrapping 
that list.
That would help me to add some JS and CSS to the overwritten 
delete_selected_confirmation template without
having to copy a huge block of HTML code from that template.

– Jacob

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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread אורי 
אורי
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 3:55 PM 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers
(Contributions to Django itself)  wrote:

> Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases of
> accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the
> side of overwhelming than hiding information.
>

When I delete a user in the admin, I see the objects that would be deleted
too. This is very important and I don't want to collapse this list. There
are usually about 5 objects to be deleted, and I want to see them all in
the HTML. The current interface is perfect and I don't want to change it.

Uri Rodberg, Speedy Net.

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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Jacob Rief 
The least intrusive change would be to add an id="..." to the -element 
wrapping that list.
This at least allows me to add such a Javascript snippet into {% block 
extrahead %}.

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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Jacob Rief 
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 4:23:03 PM UTC+2 Carlton Gibson wrote:

>
> Then as Maxim points out, this is already possible with overriding the 
> template. 
>
>
That's what I did of course in the first place. It however turns out that 
you have to copy quite a bunch of boilerplate code, the complete {% block 
content %}, in order to add a tiny Javascript snippet.
Since Django templates can evolve considerably between versions, this can 
lead to other side effects after upgrading.
An alternative would be add a {% block objects_to_be_deleted %} around the 
list of objects-to-be-deleted. This at least would allow to simpler extend 
that template. 

> I would argue that if the list of objects is "overwhelming" / 
> "unsettling", then this is perhaps an indicator that the admin interface is 
> being used beyond its intended scope. The admin is designed for site 
> administrators, mostly developers. Yes, most projects seem to push it 
> beyond that, but we can't make it something for all people.
>
Well Django-CMS is built around the Django-Admin user interface and its 
users typically are not site administrators. Moreover, why would Django 
offer
a sophisticated permission framework, if the only users being "allowed" to 
work with the Django-Admin are "site administrators".

Side note, if you're unfamiliar with Django-CMS: Whenever you delete a 
CMS-page, you also delete its page-titles, placeholders and their plugins, 
which can lead to a really long list of objects to be deleted.

– Jacob

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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Carlton Gibson 
These kinds of UI features are quite "maintenance-heavy" — they're hard to
test, and fragile — and so can consume a lot of time in review, perhaps
disproportionate, perhaps not. That on-top of Adam's points mean I'd lean
to -1 to begin. Maybe that's not the final answer, but I'd look for another
way first. (The particular change here isn't likely too difficult, but
that's the opening bias)

Then as Maxim points out, this is already possible with overriding the
template.

*But we don't really show how to do that*.
(I'm looking forward to Maxim's DjangoCon talk,
<https://pretalx.evolutio.pt/djangocon-europe-2022/talk/DVCGPD/> partly for
this reason.)

I wonder if a *HowTo* in the docs on patterns for customising the admin,
beginning with the "The Admin is not your app" reminder, but showing how
you might override a template or two, or add a rich JS widget to a form, or
... (there are a few *kinds* of use-cases that come up I think)... — would
be a useful resource?
I've always had to search for a while each time I've wanted to do this in
the past.

To me this would seem like something we could add without needing to expand
the built-in functionality too much.

Kind regards,
Carlton


On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 15:54, 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers
(Contributions to Django itself)  wrote:

> The admin interface is not designed for such mass deletions. When deleting
> millions of objects, it can be necessary to paginate the deletion to avoid
> exhausting the resources of your database server. I don't think it's
> suitable for a view to try and do this.
>
> Btw in the case of sessions, use the 'clearsessions' management command:
> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/ref/django-admin/#clearsessions .
> In the case of admin logs, I would use 'shell' with the ORM.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:42 PM Danilov Maxim  wrote:
>
>> >> Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases
>> of accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the
>> side of overwhelming than hiding information.
>>
>>
>>
>> But sometimes It is very painful to delete whole list of sessions (
>> database-backed
>> <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/topics/http/sessions/#using-database-backed-sessions>
>> sessions) (4mlo) or Django admin logs (66mlo).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>
>> DI Mag. Maxim Danilov
>>
>>
>>
>> +43(681)207 447 76 <+43(681)207%20447%2076>
>>
>> ma...@wpsoft.at
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers (Contributions to Django
>> itself) [mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:55 PM
>> *To:* Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) <
>> django-developers@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template
>>
>>
>>
>> If the object to be deleted contains many relations, the user
>> is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be deleted together with the
>> current object. Often those objects are just internal relations the user
>> never heard of, and this may be unsettling.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would argue that if the list of objects is "overwhelming" /
>> "unsettling", then this is perhaps an indicator that the admin interface is
>> being used beyond its intended scope. The admin is designed for site
>> administrators, mostly developers. Yes, most projects seem to push it
>> beyond that, but we can't make it something for all people.
>>
>>
>>
>> Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases of
>> accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the
>> side of overwhelming than hiding information.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:22 PM Danilov Maxim  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jacob.
>>
>> On the one side - you can override this delete_confirmation.html and
>> delete_selected_confirmation.html I do it since dj 1.4
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other side I am agree with Jacob - it can be in Django by default.
>> – We can add “collapsed” div to wrap  with every objects list, or we
>> can add details/summary for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>
>> DI Mag. Maxim Danilov
>>
>>
>>
>> +43(681)207 447 76 <+43(681)207%20447%2076>
>>
>> ma...@wpsoft.at
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* django-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> django-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Rief
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16

Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) 
The admin interface is not designed for such mass deletions. When deleting
millions of objects, it can be necessary to paginate the deletion to avoid
exhausting the resources of your database server. I don't think it's
suitable for a view to try and do this.

Btw in the case of sessions, use the 'clearsessions' management command:
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/ref/django-admin/#clearsessions . In
the case of admin logs, I would use 'shell' with the ORM.



On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:42 PM Danilov Maxim  wrote:

> >> Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases
> of accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the
> side of overwhelming than hiding information.
>
>
>
> But sometimes It is very painful to delete whole list of sessions (
> database-backed
> <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/topics/http/sessions/#using-database-backed-sessions>
> sessions) (4mlo) or Django admin logs (66mlo).
>
>
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> DI Mag. Maxim Danilov
>
>
>
> +43(681)207 447 76
>
> ma...@wpsoft.at
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers (Contributions to Django
> itself) [mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:55 PM
> *To:* Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) <
> django-developers@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template
>
>
>
> If the object to be deleted contains many relations, the user
> is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be deleted together with the
> current object. Often those objects are just internal relations the user
> never heard of, and this may be unsettling.
>
>
>
> I would argue that if the list of objects is "overwhelming" /
> "unsettling", then this is perhaps an indicator that the admin interface is
> being used beyond its intended scope. The admin is designed for site
> administrators, mostly developers. Yes, most projects seem to push it
> beyond that, but we can't make it something for all people.
>
>
>
> Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases of
> accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the
> side of overwhelming than hiding information.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:22 PM Danilov Maxim  wrote:
>
> Hi Jacob.
>
> On the one side - you can override this delete_confirmation.html and
> delete_selected_confirmation.html I do it since dj 1.4
>
>
>
> On the other side I am agree with Jacob - it can be in Django by default.
> – We can add “collapsed” div to wrap  with every objects list, or we
> can add details/summary for that.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> DI Mag. Maxim Danilov
>
>
>
> +43(681)207 447 76
>
> ma...@wpsoft.at
>
>
>
> *From:* django-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> django-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Rief
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:57 PM
> *To:* Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) <
> django-developers@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* More user friendly delete confirmation template
>
>
>
> Whenever a user attempts to delete an object inside the Django admin,
>
> a delete confirmation page is shown. If the object to be deleted contains
>
> many relations, the user is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be
>
> deleted together with the current object. Often those objects are just
>
> internal relations the user never heard of, and this may be unsettling.
>
>
>
> I therefore propose to hide those related objects behind a link named
>
> "Show related object to delete"
>
> If the user clicks on that link, the complete list of objects to be
> deleted is
>
> expanded into the confirmation page. This also prevents having to scroll
>
> down to the end of a potentially very long page in order to confirm the
>
> deletion by clicking on "Yes I'm sure".
>
>
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-08-16 at 13.34.46.png]
>
>
>
> – Jacob
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RE: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Danilov Maxim 
>> Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases of 
>> accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the 
>> side of overwhelming than hiding information.

 

But sometimes It is very painful to delete whole list of sessions ( 
<https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/topics/http/sessions/#using-database-backed-sessions>
 database-backed sessions) (4mlo) or Django admin logs (66mlo).

 

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

DI Mag. Maxim Danilov

 

+43(681)207 447 76

 <mailto:ma...@wpsoft.at> ma...@wpsoft.at

 

From: 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) 
[mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:55 PM
To: Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) 

Subject: Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

 

If the object to be deleted contains many relations, the user is overwhelmed 
with a list of other objects to be deleted together with the current object. 
Often those objects are just internal relations the user never heard of, and 
this may be unsettling.

 

I would argue that if the list of objects is "overwhelming" / "unsettling", 
then this is perhaps an indicator that the admin interface is being used beyond 
its intended scope. The admin is designed for site administrators, mostly 
developers. Yes, most projects seem to push it beyond that, but we can't make 
it something for all people.

 

Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases of 
accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the side 
of overwhelming than hiding information.

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:22 PM Danilov Maxim mailto:ma...@wpsoft.at> > wrote:

Hi Jacob.

On the one side - you can override this delete_confirmation.html and 
delete_selected_confirmation.html I do it since dj 1.4

 

On the other side I am agree with Jacob - it can be in Django by default. – We 
can add “collapsed” div to wrap  with every objects list, or we can add 
details/summary for that.

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

DI Mag. Maxim Danilov

 

+43(681)207 447 76

 <mailto:ma...@wpsoft.at> ma...@wpsoft.at

 

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<mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jacob Rief
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:57 PM
To: Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) 
mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com> 
>
Subject: More user friendly delete confirmation template

 

Whenever a user attempts to delete an object inside the Django admin,

a delete confirmation page is shown. If the object to be deleted contains

many relations, the user is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be

deleted together with the current object. Often those objects are just

internal relations the user never heard of, and this may be unsettling.

 

I therefore propose to hide those related objects behind a link named

"Show related object to delete"

If the user clicks on that link, the complete list of objects to be deleted is

expanded into the confirmation page. This also prevents having to scroll

down to the end of a potentially very long page in order to confirm the

deletion by clicking on "Yes I'm sure".

 



 

– Jacob

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Re: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread 'Adam Johnson' via Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) 
>
> If the object to be deleted contains many relations, the user
> is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be deleted together with the
> current object. Often those objects are just internal relations the user
> never heard of, and this may be unsettling.
>

I would argue that if the list of objects is "overwhelming" / "unsettling",
then this is perhaps an indicator that the admin interface is being used
beyond its intended scope. The admin is designed for site administrators,
mostly developers. Yes, most projects seem to push it beyond that, but we
can't make it something for all people.

Collapsing the list of to-be-deleted objects could also lead to cases of
accidental removal of related objects. I think it's better to err on the
side of overwhelming than hiding information.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:22 PM Danilov Maxim  wrote:

> Hi Jacob.
>
> On the one side - you can override this delete_confirmation.html and
> delete_selected_confirmation.html I do it since dj 1.4
>
>
>
> On the other side I am agree with Jacob - it can be in Django by default.
> – We can add “collapsed” div to wrap  with every objects list, or we
> can add details/summary for that.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> DI Mag. Maxim Danilov
>
>
>
> +43(681)207 447 76
>
> ma...@wpsoft.at
>
>
>
> *From:* django-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> django-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Rief
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:57 PM
> *To:* Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) <
> django-developers@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* More user friendly delete confirmation template
>
>
>
> Whenever a user attempts to delete an object inside the Django admin,
>
> a delete confirmation page is shown. If the object to be deleted contains
>
> many relations, the user is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be
>
> deleted together with the current object. Often those objects are just
>
> internal relations the user never heard of, and this may be unsettling.
>
>
>
> I therefore propose to hide those related objects behind a link named
>
> "Show related object to delete"
>
> If the user clicks on that link, the complete list of objects to be
> deleted is
>
> expanded into the confirmation page. This also prevents having to scroll
>
> down to the end of a potentially very long page in order to confirm the
>
> deletion by clicking on "Yes I'm sure".
>
>
>
> [image: Screenshot 2022-08-16 at 13.34.46.png]
>
>
>
> – Jacob
>
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RE: More user friendly delete confirmation template

2022-08-16 Thread Danilov Maxim 
Hi Jacob.

On the one side - you can override this delete_confirmation.html and 
delete_selected_confirmation.html I do it since dj 1.4

 

On the other side I am agree with Jacob - it can be in Django by default. – We 
can add “collapsed” div to wrap  with every objects list, or we can add 
details/summary for that.

 

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From: django-developers@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Rief
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:57 PM
To: Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) 

Subject: More user friendly delete confirmation template

 

Whenever a user attempts to delete an object inside the Django admin,

a delete confirmation page is shown. If the object to be deleted contains

many relations, the user is overwhelmed with a list of other objects to be

deleted together with the current object. Often those objects are just

internal relations the user never heard of, and this may be unsettling.

 

I therefore propose to hide those related objects behind a link named

"Show related object to delete"

If the user clicks on that link, the complete list of objects to be deleted is

expanded into the confirmation page. This also prevents having to scroll

down to the end of a potentially very long page in order to confirm the

deletion by clicking on "Yes I'm sure".

 



 

– Jacob

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