Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Hector Santos
Yes, I was aware an AD can participate in a WG, but was not sure if the AD can do so in a WG where there might be proposed working items authored by the AD. A recusal consideration for a conflict, if any, would be the proper recourse. Thanks for your fair responses. I appreciate it. --

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jim Fenton wrote: > That was basically the argument against the l= parameter in DKIM > signatures. We did end up keeping l= because it only has effect if the > signer uses it and the verifier accepts its use, although it was widely > expected that it would not be

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:42 PM John Levine wrote: > I wrote the Sympa ARC code which is entwined with the DKIM code so > that would probably be me. Honestly, this looks like a lot more work > than ARC to get a result likely to be worse in practice than ARC. > Interesting; I had the opposite

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Jim Fenton
On 7/5/20 7:42 PM, John Levine wrote: > > It would not be hard for a bad guy to use the footer or add-part > transformation to lay a big spammy blob on top of some innocuous > original message. Rather than play cat and mouse and try to figure one > when a change is too big, recipients would use

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 8:35 PM Hector Santos wrote: > 1) Curious, are these Mail List Server (MLS) developers active > participants of the WG list? Lurkers? Was there a consideration to > include a MLS developer participant that is active in the WG? I'm sure > you are aware SSI (Santronics

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Hector Santos
1) Curious, are these Mail List Server (MLS) developers active participants of the WG list? Lurkers? Was there a consideration to include a MLS developer participant that is active in the WG? I'm sure you are aware SSI (Santronics Software, Inc) has a MLS albeit commercial, not free, not

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I decided to breathe life into this idea since it's relevant and got some >discussion recently. Comments welcome. > >I'm talking to the Mailman people about the idea now; this is based on some >things they mentioned. I haven't managed to get the attention

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jeremy Harris wrote: > On 05/07/2020 23:39, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > Any opinion on the whole thing generally? > > Certainly worthy of discussion. I wonder if it needs tying > to ARC rather than, or in addition to DKIM? > I think it solves the same problem

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 05/07/2020 23:39, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Any opinion on the whole thing generally? Certainly worthy of discussion. I wonder if it needs tying to ARC rather than, or in addition to DKIM? -- Cheers, Jeremy ___ dmarc mailing list

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:31 PM Jeremy Harris wrote: > On 05/07/2020 22:56, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01 > > Substansive: > > section 6, on footers: > - Is not a common boundary marker a signature-marker, namely > two dashes,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 05/07/2020 22:56, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01 Substansive: section 6, on footers: - Is not a common boundary marker a signature-marker, namely two dashes, space, end-of-line? The exim-users list, for example, uses that. Nit:

[dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-transform-01.txt

2020-07-05 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I decided to breathe life into this idea since it's relevant and got some discussion recently. Comments welcome. I'm talking to the Mailman people about the idea now; this is based on some things they mentioned. I haven't managed to get the attention of Sympa or L-Soft yet. -MSK --