Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Rowland Penny wrote: >> Indeed, but this scenario is for a fixed setup where the users (28 of >> them) are setup once and then there is no further user maintenance >> going forward. In such a scenario, there's little point in going for >> the complexity of setting up AD - as you say, a one-off

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Rowland Penny wrote: >> I think what Roland was getting at here is the number of users and >> how they are dealt with makes a huge difference. >> >> At one extreme, you have 28 seats, each one of them has a user such >> as "user1", and you can simply use /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow to >> manage

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

g4sra wrote: >> How is the Linux server going to authenticate users, via /etc/passwd or >> other ? >> >> A lot depends on this, also the number of users will have a factor as >> well. > Which network authentication method would you suggest ? I think what Roland was getting at here is the

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

Steve Litt wrote: >> >> Do not run cables across the floor (taped down or otherwise), this >> would be a trip hazard. > > What other alternative is there for a temporary installation? Hung from the ceiling ? How practical that is depends on ceiling height, construction (suspended ceilings

Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!

Adam Borowski wrote: >> Walking around Glasgow, you might find >> the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never. > > There are worse cases. There's a place called "London", where a sign says > "Sloane Square" yet the station announcement (by a person paid to have clear > diction) says "Ten

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

goli...@dyne.org wrote: > So . . . if the choice to avoid the merge is only available with > debian-installer what does that mean for the live isos? Will they be > configured with or without the merge as default? Does it make any difference at all on a live ISO ? If it's setup merged,

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Alessandro Selli wrote: > If Devuan is going to have a brilliant future it is going to disenfranchise > itself from Debian. Being forever a Debian without systemd will keep it in > the backseat, vulnerable to all the odd decisions and arguable development > directions that Devuan/FD are

Re: [DNG] reliability (Was: /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??)

Daniel Taylor wrote: > It's scary how unreliable our systems used to be compared to now. Were they ? Or did they just have different fragilities ? Example: There's the discussion here about having essential tools available without having all filesystems mounted. Go back to the times under

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

Hendrik Boom wrote: > (1) Is initramfs so weird that only one or two people in the world can make > one? **AT THE MOMENT** no it isn't. AIUI (and I stand to be corrected) it's simply a CPIO archive that's been (optionally) compressed. So it can be uncompressed, extracted, modified, and

Re: [DNG] Online DNS & Bind Refeences.

terryc wrote: > The problem I'm hitting is the format of woa.com.au/192.168.0.0 zone > files and despite carefully deriving ones from examples in the Debian > wiki I'm getting conflicting error listing. Frustrating. What sort of problems are you getting ? Some of us here have a bit of

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

ii /w KDE works fine from what I experienced. I use it on my main travel workstation running mostly kdevelop. I do not see any real improvement over 4. So I would delay the upgrade for as long as possible, which is my plan for my other workstation. Simon __

[DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

to jessie to ascii with KDE. It is not worth upgrading - just reinstall. I was annoyed, but ultimately fine because I had a jessie on which to convert those files. Best, Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-b

Re: [DNG] Command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting daemon

Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..well, that's still 256 possible runlevel names. ;o) TBH, I don't think there's all that much scope for **usefully** using lots of runlevels. To start with, (near enough) every package comes with a control script for rc to use - and which contains comments to signal to

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

Steve Litt wrote: > What I said was that if you like sysvinit, use it, but for gosh sakes > don't take the time and energy to modify it or update it or give it > systemd features. +1 Old does not equal broken. Perhaps the reason sysvinit hasn't seen much maintenance for a while is that it just

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

Steve Litt wrote: > Stop the madness! +1, many times over ! > And, of course, pushbuttons and dials by their very nature are limiting Yes, yes. > Some Devuaners will say "but wait, bad as that is, it's still better > than modern init scripts." It is true that **SOME** init scripts have

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

Steve Litt wrote: > "Multi-seat" makes little sense now that when you add a user you can give him > or her a $400 computer with which he can share the server's data. I would beg to disagree - at least for some workloads. I think "it depends" is often teh answer to the question of "is

Re: [DNG] who is working for who (was Avahi (was Weird network issue))

Rick Moen wrote: > I respect that. For the sake of community knowledge, I'll also tell you > what I do as an alternative: ... > One morning, I walked in, and Ms. Arun was very vexed, because she said that > printing was not working anywhere around the firm. Notably, she said there > had been

Re: [DNG] Weird network issue - slow to resolve IPs

Rick Moen wrote: > It's the most versatile and reliable tool around for testing DNS > functionality -- which in turn is useful to be able to test separately > from the separate task of actually making connections for services after > resolving DNS names to find where to reach them. +1 for that

Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII

Steve Litt wrote: > Install fresh, copy your data, and you're 90% done. There will be a few > special configs you'll need to edit in the new system, based on the old. There is something to be said for that. One of the issues I've had with a number of upgrades is the config changes - you get

Re: [DNG] POWER support for devuan?

taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Debian supports POWER but why not devuan? > > I want a systemd free distro to run on a TALOS 2. My WAG (wild a**ed guess) is that among the fairly small pool of Devuan devs, there aren't enough (if any ?) with the right skills AND access to suitable hardware AND the

Re: [DNG] Unbound details: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: >> Most of the services are disappearing from the macOS Server app, >> making it almost useless for a home server environment. >> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208312 Ouch - like I said, the message is clear that they don't want to support and promote it. Given

Re: [DNG] Unbound details: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: > I want to switch from macOS Server to unbound for a local LAN DNS as its DNS > features will be deprecated soon, but my reading tells me that unbound only > acts as a recursive nameserver, not authoritative. > > What’s the general consensus on a good

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

Steve Litt wrote: > I've now done this on my Daily Driver Desktop and my best laptop. In > both cases, easy. Much easier than djbdns. I'll be doing this on all my > boxes over the next few weeks. It's too easy not to. From the POV of global DNS server load, network traffic, and resolution times

Re: [DNG] keys & subsystems

Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..or "make do with whatever you have onboard" in new "creative" ways. > > ..people has played music on printers and harddisks produced to print > oud documents and store data, by hacking them in new creative ways, > for decades. Yes, but that's someone with access to the

Re: [DNG] ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer

marc wrote: > It could be that your process table is full - Run ps fax and > understand what each process does. Now, there's a bit of a catch 22 there ... It's headless, he's not able to SSH (or Telnet) in, and needs to log in via SSH (or Telnet) to run a command to find out why he can't

Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server

KatolaZ wrote: > Replace 'links2' with 'openssh-server' and 'libfbdirect' with > 'libsystemd0', and you should see what I mean. Most of the De??an > installations actually have tons of libraries that are never used, or > are just used to probe for a certain functionality that is not > available.

Re: [DNG] Web browser needed

Ralph Ronnquist wrote: >> Since the HTTPS certification principle is based on domain names, it's hard >> to understand in general how routers would be able to hold such certificates >> (installed by vendors), and if they could, what value that would have in >> terms of security. They don't, and

Re: [DNG] Web browser needed

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > If the developpers are worried about users wandering into unsafe sites, I > would understand a warning, but why the complete blockage ? > > And is there a way around it ? While not directly addressing your problem, it's a symptom of the "nothing old exists, all

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

Rowland Penny wrote: > The problem is that it is probably easier to start anew rather than > trying to update/maintain an existing project. You have to contact > the existing maintainer (and you could have problems actually > finding the maintainer), get their permission to update the package >

Re: [DNG] Home server replacement hardware suggestions?

Just to add that I run a couple of HP Microservers (one for general home server, one for MythTV) that I picked up when they had some tasty cashback offers. At my last place, we put a few of them in for customers where we needed a small basic server for something. Not exactly the highest speck

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

Jaromil wrote: > from what I understand Simon is saying here, he is not being > understood really. What he is suggesting is to add a small > documentation text that, in case one doesn't knows what to choose, > mentions what is the most common choice in case of most common set

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

KatolaZ wrote: >>> Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. >> >> Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know that. >> IMO there’s a choice to be made - do we (collectively) want to be inclusive >> and support all those who don’t know much about computing but want to

Re: [DNG] ASCII installation static IP problem

Steve Litt wrote: >> However surprising to any of you, this is my testimony. A statically >> configured interface present in /etc/network/interfaces was ignored >> **as installed by Devuan ASCII.iso**. Removing wicd fixed the >> problem. What other conclusion can reasonably be drawn but that

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> The problem is that people are not told why they should away from i386, and > > Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know that. IMO there’s a choice to be made - do we (collectively) want to be

Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats

And as it happens, I had literally just been looking on Distrowatch where Devuan is up to rank 11 (with 582 hits/day) over the last 7 days vs Debian at rank 6 with 1002 hpd. OK, it’s “just for fun” and not really a measure of installed systems, but it shows that there’s been steady progress up

Re: [DNG] More Sheiße on the way

Alessandro Selli wrote: > I read that, as this is a CPU hardware bug, it affects all OSes: > > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-lazy-fp-state-restore-vulnerability-affects-all-intel-core-cpus/ > > According to Intel this new vulnerability affects all Intel Intel >

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

Haines Brown wrote: >> You probably want to set this partition to unused (or whatever it's >> called, it's a looong time since I last did this) so that it doesn't >> appear in the mount point table (eventually in fstab of the new >> install). I think what you are telling it is that you want

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

Haines Brown wrote: > In the partitioning scheme, sda is HD ST1000DX002-2DV1. It has a primary > partition that is bootable and the mount point /. You probably want to set this partition to unused (or whatever it's called, it's a looong time since I last did this) so that it doesn't appear in

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

KatolaZ wrote: > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that > stole DOS. While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought it outright for what the person selling it

Re: [DNG] Protect laptop from power supply voltage transients

Edward Bartolo wrote: > What you wrote reminded me of a dangerous filter that consists of two > high voltage series-connected capacitors connected in parallel with > the mains with their middle point earthed. Since these capacitors are > almost certainly the same value they

Re: [DNG] Protect laptop from power supply voltage transients

Edward Bartolo wrote: > Lately, I have experienced an amplifier input failure that was > supplied audio signals from a laptop powered with an AC mains power > supply. 2pin or 3pin mains input to the power supply ? > As you know, these AC power supplies are of the switching

Re: [DNG] PostScript vs PCL

Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): > >> Seeing all the rage against non-PS printing here recently, I’m >> wondering how PCL compares? Is it better/worse/equal to PostScript? Is >> there any reason to prefer one over the other? > >

Re: [DNG] Postscript (Was: printing in a D-Bus free system)

k...@aspodata.se wrote: >> Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without >> hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to >> work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings >> etc) are there any good guides for this? > >

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > FWIW, other printers are handled using some other IPC protocol. Same > information sent back and forth, but a different socket and protocol. My > Brother MFC8880 uses IPP and... I forget the name of the other protocol. FWIW, while it

Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

KatolaZ wrote: >> Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? > > Because it's a Beta. The stable will obviously have a torrent. Perhaps I'm missing something, but why does being a beta preclude offering a torrent ? It looks like it would have made a huge difference to

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Steve Litt wrote: > That's exactly my point. To do something better than my backup > solution, I would have needed to go with something less tested, with > less complete supporting software, and something I trust less than > ext4. I haven't had ext4 mess up on me in at

Re: [DNG] two dhcp configurations

KatolaZ wrote: > $ apt-file search dhcpd.conf > > says that the former comes from isc-dhcp-server (as someone else > suggested) while the latter does not belong to any package in > particular, so it must have been put there by you (or by an older > package that does not

Re: [DNG] two dhcp configurations

Hendrik Boom wrote: > Somehow I have two dhcp configuration files: > > /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf > > and > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > on my Devuan Jessie system, which was upgraded from Debian preJessie > (I forget what that one was called) Wheezy > They have similar, but

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote: > Ok but this is not about NFS but about any FS that can be accessed over > network. It may help to point out something that I didn't spot when I first came across NFS. With SMB, AFS, FSoverSSH, etc, etc, etc the client authenticates to the

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Steve Litt wrote: > Back in my youth, the wise men told me that NFS was a horrible security > threat unless you also used YP, which was too sophisticated for me to > ever figure out. So these days I use sshfs, which is nice, but slower > than a turtle dragging a

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Adam Borowski wrote: >> merkaba:~> netstat -i > You want "ip -s a", I'm too lazy to see if you can get just the counters. Or use the contents of /proc/net/dev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

m712 wrote: > I'd really like to meet Richard Stallman in person. I hope I can, someday. I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. He has a reputation for being direct and taking questions literally - and that's how I found him. I assume it's

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

KatolaZ wrote: > And what if you want to use your own unsigned bootloader? Why should > you ask someone else the permission to boot your own machine? o_O Two ways : 1) You simply turn off secure boot and it'll boot your unsigned binary. If your machine doesn't have that

Re: [DNG] trusting components (was: systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1)

John Franklin wrote: > Note, I say, “possible”, not guaranteed or anything like that. Signing > doesn’t prevent malware from getting in to the system. If the build system > is compromised, as was the case recently with CCleaner, the malware gets > signed. There was a much

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

Didier Kryn wrote: >This has nothing to do with Linux becoming Windows-like, nor Systemd. Udev > started doing that a dozen years ago, at least, and Windows desktop or > laptops do not need that feature more than Linux's. This feature is > essentially dedicated to servers

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root >> authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending >> character changing from "$" to "#". >> >> It could work. Somebody should try it, some time. :D > ..I still miss

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

Rick Moen wrote: > If you read the National Transportation Safety Board report on the Pan > American World Airways flight 799 disaster that killed my father in > December '68 I found that after you mentioned it earlier - it made sobering reading. You and your family have

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Chris Kalin wrote: > It's also a decent idea to keep the total partition size under about 80% of > the total drive size so that you get the same write performance no matter how > full the partition gets. If partition size = drive size you'll start to see > massive

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Martin Steigerwald wrote: >> Wear-levelling today is handled by the firmware transparently to the OS. >> Trimming only affect the filesystem's block-allocator algorithm, not >> wear-levelling. > > How should the drive know that a deleted block is a block is can use again

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

Hendrik Boom wrote: > However, when booting the unidentified Linux system, it mounts exactly > the same partitions as the old Linux system. It appears to > completely ignore the new /etc/fstab in the new system. Are you using an initrd/initramfs ? If so, did you

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Alessandro Selli wrote: >> I figure that over sizing the >> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid >> assumption, however. > > I am convinced it is. The more cells to pseudo-randomically spread writes > to, the lower the number of write

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

And the other option is to chroot and update/install grub from there (not mine, just copied from another list) : mkdir /sysroot mount /dev/your-root-dev /sysroot mount /dev/your-boot-dev /sysroot/boot mount --bind /dev /sysroot/dev mount --bind /sys /sysroot/sys mount --bind /proc /sysroot/proc

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

Hendrik Boom wrote: > Do I understand correctly that grub-install will scan my only hard > drive looking for (at least) bootable Linux systems? And that as a > result, running grub-install on the old system will detect both and > create a grub menu that contains both?

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

Alessandro Selli wrote: >> Do I understand you ccorrectly: that the udev rules are flexible >> enough to do the right thing, but they are too hard to use? > > Yes. On some occations I had to find out where in /sys a device had it's > control and attribute

Re: [DNG] serial and ps2 ports.

Hendrik Boom wrote: >> That's PS/2, not RS232. > > True, true. And there seem to be two different sizes of those > round plugs in use. At least, I've seen adapters to connect between > the two sizes. I think you may be thinking of the original PC keyboard connector

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

Adam Borowski wrote: > It would mean changes to every single program that deals with network > interfaces. With renaming, you apply this in a single place. This. If an interface name changes, I don't want to have to find and change every occurrence - network config,

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

Edward Bartolo wrote: > Therefore, if I were in a position to take decisions I would > not expect a computer to know what I need. However, a computer should > have no difficulty processing data. A decent OS should save a map of > how hardware is connected, somewhat like a

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

Steve Litt wrote: > As a wee lad, my mentors told me never to put two of the same model > NICs in a computer, because which one became eth0 and which became eth1 > would be indeterminate from boot to boot. That's horrible, and that *is* > solved by the systemd naming

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

Adam Borowski wrote: > There was a lengthy thread on debian-devel recently. While it did include > the usual shout-fest, there's also a good amount of actually relevant info, > thus I'd recommend reading it. > > It starts at: >

Re: [DNG] Updating PCI ID lists in installer (Was: suggestion)

John Franklin wrote: > Adding a network dependency on a package install is generally a bad idea. > What happens if the machine doesn’t have external network access, as is often > the case for corporate build servers or people installing Devuan from USB > sticks where the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen wrote: > Honestly, who the Gehenna needs a Desktop Environment? Because it > bundles a graphical file shell? If you want one of those, install > whichever one you like best on an a la carte basis. The whole DE > concept lacks a compelling justification, IMO.

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

Edward Bartolo wrote: > Keep in mind that someone from the audience may tell you that > fine control requires the knowledge of complicated shell scripting and > the knowledge of how diverse programs are configured in their > configuration files. Just like Windows, with

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Narcis Garcia wrote: > As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. > If software doesn't call some CPU functions, those functions will not work. Well, maybe, but these days you can't take that on trust. Your OS no longer runs native on the processor - there's

Re: [DNG] Just out of curiosity, I wondered,

Adam Borowski wrote: > rtl8139 is a 100Mbit card, you really don't want your virtual network speed > hobbled by emulating such gear. It doesn't work like that. The nominal speed of the card is merely that of the real card being emulated - in the emulated version, there's

Re: [DNG] Just out of curiosity, I wondered,

Adam Borowski wrote: > My personal favourite is bridged mode, which has only an one-time setup > cost, and makes guest VMs operate exactly same as if they were physically > separate machines plugged into your ethernet switch next to the host. > As a bonus, that setup cost is

Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

Narcis Garcia wrote: > 1. SPF is a friendlier solution and enough for this. SPF breaks mailing lists and mail forwarders - and this is NOT (IMO) fixable without introducing a wide open front gate for spammers to ride through and completely bypass SPF. So consider that

Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

Antony Stone wrote: > Is it possible to check the mail server logs for delivery failures on the > problematic addresses (which is presumably what the warning email means by > "bounces") to see what reason was given by the receiving server? That's the

Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept

ni...@airmail.cc wrote: > Yes I am a licensed attorney. Whether you are or not isn't all that material. Your posting was very OT for this list as well as long and tedious, and you are being very hostile to anyone not bowing to your claimed (but unproven) qualifications. Basically, if you

[DNG] Systemd wins top gong for 'lamest vendor' in Pwnie security awards

Ah, this made my afternoon :-) https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/28/black_hat_pwnie_awards/ > And finally, the lamest vendor response award went to Systemd supremo Lennart > Poettering for his controversial, and perhaps questionable, handling of the > following bugs in everyone's favorite

Re: [DNG] Teaching IT & programming

Edward Bartolo wrote: > Certificates and I also dare say, EXPENSIVE colleges and universities > matter a lot. Certificates yes, college/university yes, expensive much less so (varies by location). For college/university, what matters more is it's standing in the relevant

Re: [DNG] Teaching IT & programming (Was: Please keep 32-bits alive)

"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > On 26.07.2017 04:47, Christopher Clements wrote: > >> My high-school programming class was advertised as teaching people how to >> program in C and do all sorts of low-level stuff. I signed up thinking >> I might finally meet

Re: [DNG] running old stuff

Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 09:17:29PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: >> >> So the analogy is, I wouldn't expect "support" for all this "new" >> stuff on an old vehicle. Similarly, as other have suggest

Re: [DNG] runing old stuff (cars) (Was: [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE)

Rick Moen wrote: >> Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who >> still own and use historic cars from the last century for example. > > The people who still own and use historic cars do so in the knowledge > that, over time, it tends to be an

Re: [DNG] reportbug is the stable repository

I wrote: > All the time, a lot of people we stood on the sidelines willing them to fail. Oops, s/we/were/ Personally I was watching and thinking "that's one hell of a task, I'm a bit sceptical* but I sure as heck hope they manage it". * Not knowing who these veterans were, and their level of

Re: [DNG] reportbug is the stable repository

Boruch Baum wrote: > The bad news is that if this is the only step I take, "apt-get" will > want to upgrade 1248 packages (it looks more impressive when I write it > out . . One Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty Eight packages) with a > download size of 608 Mb. What if,

[DNG] A little acknowlegement from TheRegister

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ After mention of the "can't trust init" message, they finish off with : > Yup – that's systemd as in the code so hated by “veteran Unix sysadmins” that > they forked Debian and created Devuan Linux to avoid having to use it. Those > two

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: >> 3) Explain (in rational, technical, non-political) terms why people should >> care that there is a choice - and why we think they would be wise to take it. > > I wouldn't waste time on that. They have to learn by themselves

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > We don't need to fight anything. Just concentrate on the stuff *we* > need (seriously, does anybobdy here need gnome3 ?) and patch out the > crap when neccessary. > > And just not caring about that lennartware crap at all. Not

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> But, sysv-init has much the same issue in that there's a shell script >> run as root, > > I beg to differ. If you try to run a service as user '0day' from a > sysv-init script, then you get the behaviour of implemented by > > - that service

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > No idea whether systemd services run by non-system users makes sense but > then again, lots of systemd probably doesn't make much sense. Do you mean "systemd service" as in "something that's part of systemd"; or do you mean "something that's

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > At that point I'm curious which fancy features of systemd are needed > by applications at all ? In general - none ! But, it seems that the technique being used by it's proponents is to substitute their stuff and "force" new

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

KatolaZ wrote: > Beyond the legends, Apple wins because they have always treated their > users like monkeys to be locked in (something that they have been > extremely successful at), and have focused on an extremely reduced set > of supported hardware. Being a bit

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

I wrote: > What you appear to be suggesting is that for the sake of the 95%, the 5% > should not be permitted to "fix" things to work as they want them to work. > And that if we do customise then we'd be unable to understand that what we > are running isn't the standard UI. Yes there will be

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Bruce Perens wrote: > Apple actually didn't win because it had a big marketing department and > psychologists. Just Steve. I worked with Steve for 12 years, and during part > of that time had an office right across from his at Pixar. Steve understood a > lot of stuff that

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

exha...@posteo.net wrote: > In my opinion, this is the best that has been written about init or > supervisor, +1 > (I'm absolutely agree with this) > > "There's no need to search for the perfect init or supervisor. Long ago > we got a bunch of them that are all good enough, and can be

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: >> For those of us who put consistency above boot speed, simply changing >> the init script so MySQL doesn't flag as "started" until the daemon >> is up and ready to accept requests would fix it; > > But then you'll have kind of

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

KatolaZ wrote: >> For start, we'd just write a small library, that logs to syslog, >> perhaps maintains some pidfiles (maybe even a *compile-time* option >> to route directly to libsystemd), then patch up packages that currently >> use libsystemd to use our new one. >> >

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

Rick Moen wrote: > I wasn't suggesting a distro installer checkbox item offering local > recursive nameservice for use during installation. I was suggesting a > checkbox item offering to install a local recursive nameserver (and > resolver conf to use it) on the installed

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

Rick Moen wrote: > Why settle for bad when you can have excellent for free? But you don't > see it, so we're wasting time talking. Actually I do see exactly what you are saying - and I have come across resolvers with poor performance. For **for the duration of an

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

Fred DC wrote: > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* mailinglist. Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that systemd is anti-freedom, and so being pro-freedom can appear

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