Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:58:19PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: As someone else pointed out, the control flow code could be abstracted away into some kind of 'universal init script' and individual ones would just need to define the start and stop commands. And there's nothing horrible about

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Friday, August 07, 2015 05:06:14 PM Gregory Nowak wrote: 2. I want ctrl+alt+del to do shutdown -h, instead of shutdown -r (another real use case on another virtual system). I couldn't figure out a way to do this in debian jessie. Now, what you proposed above from what I understand

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:25:50PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: I am just curious, but did you try installing sysvinit and systemd-shim? Theoretically, it should give you System 5 startup and shutdown, while keeping compatibility with things that depend on systemd, like Gnome. No. If it was

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Friday, August 07, 2015 05:46:00 PM Gregory Nowak wrote: I also did do an aptitude search sysv when I had debian jessie freshly installed, but didn't get a match. If I could have installed sysvinit or sysvinit-core in a fresh installed, I might have tried that just to see what I got.

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:53:37PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: =( Bummer! There must be a way to get what you want, although I honestly do not know enough about systemd to help you out. Like yourself, I am more familiar with the System 5 way of doing things. Wish I could be more

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Friday, August 07, 2015 06:13:10 PM Gregory Nowak wrote: I actually don't mind dropping gnome. It does depend on systemd by defacto, and is bulky. I did try xfce in a fresh install of debian jessie, and found it gave me speech when I rebooted after the install. I'm sorry, I don't know