Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-31 Thread Miroslav Rovis
Hi! I really wish I could have replied already. But I had issues, some imaginary (with my systems; well mostly fictitious, I have to say Devuan works great, my lack of expertize to blame for the real part of the system issues), and some real (I was sick for a while). Sorry! On 171011-17:29+0200,

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-31 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 171012-05:58+0300, m712 wrote: > My account had 'nomail' set for a while so I can't reply to the original, so > I'm replying over Enrico's message. > > On 23.09.2017 10:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > >of google's intrusivity; they can put most any spyware in videos, and I'm > >looking for the

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-11 Thread m712
My account had 'nomail' set for a while so I can't reply to the original, so I'm replying over Enrico's message. On 23.09.2017 10:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >of google's intrusivity; they can put most any spyware in videos, and I'm >looking for the knowhow how to safely deal with Youtube videos,

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-11 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 10/11/2017 11:29 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: On 23.09.2017 10:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: Except with Udoo the *fake* open hardware. Based on Intel x86 processor, as I strongly suspect. Maybe we should set up a public list of open vs. proprietary hardware, a big hall of fa

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-11 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 23.09.2017 10:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: Except with Udoo the *fake* open hardware. Based on Intel x86 processor, as I strongly suspect. Maybe we should set up a public list of open vs. proprietary hardware, a big hall of fame and hall of shame. Laud the good and blame the bad. And librez

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-26 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 09/21/2017 12:12 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN OS running all the time? Not everyone is a sucker who uses stuff with ME/PSP. Devices: You can get a (libre f

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.09.17 08:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > I have very little doubt Intel put backdoors in Udoo. Why else would Udoo go > back on the promise of Open Hardware, and go dirt cheap in comparison to > competitors? My Udoo X86 makes a very nice video streamer and snappy browser host. Let the Rooshians

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170922-16:13+0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 22.09.2017 08:24, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Quote: "if you build your own boards" > > > > You mean design my own computer motherboards?! > > Yes. Daily job in embedded world. > > And there're also lots of suitable standard boards

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-22 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2017-09-21 at 18:12 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point > of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN > OS running all the time? I have no idea what it does and what > functions it offers to the outsi

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-22 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 22.09.2017 08:24, Edward Bartolo wrote: Quote: "if you build your own boards" You mean design my own computer motherboards?! Yes. Daily job in embedded world. And there're also lots of suitable standard boards, even complete machines, you can just buy. that would not guarantee me that th

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:24:49 +0200, Edward wrote in message : > Quote: "if you build your own boards" > > You mean design my own computer motherboards?! Excuse me, but that is > definitely the task of experts, not computer end users. Yes, I have > knowledge about transistors, logic gates and som

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/09/2017 à 18:12, Edward Bartolo a écrit : Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN OS running all the time? Tackling all the issues in parallel is simply more efficient than one after th

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread Edward Bartolo
Quote: "if you build your own boards" You mean design my own computer motherboards?! Excuse me, but that is definitely the task of experts, not computer end users. Yes, I have knowledge about transistors, logic gates and some circuits employing them, but that is NOT enough. Furthermore, even if I

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 21.09.2017 18:12, Edward Bartolo wrote: Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN OS running all the time? Not everybody uses (recent) x86 :p We can't take care of everything at once, and IME b

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread Edward Bartolo
Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN OS running all the time? I have no idea what it does and what functions it offers to the outside world. To learn about such functions I must either believe Int

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread zap
> > > be completely software > > If you MPL free, yes. No blobs, etc. > And no systemd deps, of course (actually, haven't seen any yet) > Also get rid of all dbus deps. > >> disable eme, tracking from mozilla, etc...? > > yes, patching it out completely. also geoloc, sensors, etc. > > Note: I can'

[DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 21.09.2017 16:51, zap wrote: I look forward to such an idea, will it support alsa and Didn't touch the ALSA part yet - if upstream supports it, shouldn't be a problem. OTOH, if upstream drops it, we need some deeper thoughts on that. Perhaps think about an generic crossplatform audio librar