Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
A lightweight browser would be welcome. Does anyone have a practical way to migrate bookmarks from Chrome or Chromium to such a lightweight browser? qupzilla can import chromium bookmarks. i'm sure other actively maintained browsers have the same capability. - Gravis On Sun, Mar 8, 2015

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
Hence my original suggestion: for a distro that's still trying to get on its feet, a lightweight browser would probably be best, like midori, dillo or something else. right because giving people the option of using their prefered browser is a bad idea! I don't think the effort of

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Richard
My recent usage demonstrated Firefox to be more efficient than Chrome on a 1 GiB netbook. I would suggest the ESR version of Firefox as a starter browser. Qupzilla or Midori could also serve as initial included browser. The idea is only to provide a means to download a desired browser.

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: Nate Bargmann [mailto:n...@n0nb.us] Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:36 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is Unfortunately, this sort of inconsistency toward their definition of stable caused problems

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-07 Thread T.J. Duchene
Go look at the code, it's open is a common argument i hear from pro-systemd advocates. Curious. About looking at the code: have you personally audited chrome's code, top to bottom, OpenBSD-style? 'Cos if you haven't - it is a big piece of software -, well your argument is moot Nuno,

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-07 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:06 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: If someone has issue with the code, it's open. Go look for yourself. I beg everyone's kind indulgence and excuse me for saying this, but the conspiracy theories about Google and the Chromium source code come from people

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-07 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 02:19:43PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2015/msg00031.html I think ^THIS is probably the biggest reason not to use Chromium. Never mind whether it's affiliated with Google or whether that makes it untrustworthy.

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-06 Thread Jaromil
On 6 March 2015 09:06:45 CET, Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: the Grsecurity/Pax hardening of the kernel, will you think of it, instead of SELinux, or as an option besides SELinux? It sure will be attainable in the way I got it in Debian in that Tip, but official support would be so great!

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-06 Thread Neo Futur
the Grsecurity/Pax hardening of the kernel, will you think of it, instead of SELinux, or as an option besides SELinux? It sure will be attainable in the way I got it in Debian in that Tip, but official support would be so great! https://git.devuan.org/groups/hardened we are a few guys

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-06 Thread Gravis
If I understand what you are saying you mean that a link to site A which links to copyrighted material on site B is itself a violation of copyright. no, what i mean is that he was the one who uploaded the clips to youtube, got banned from youtube and then posted the links on a forum to the

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Martijn Dekkers
**Looks around** Full moon tonight? On 5 March 2015 at 19:51, miroslav.rov...@zg.ht.hr wrote: I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation. But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
Really? The Surveillance Engine Terminated All My Videos http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3t=113059 you are not a victim here. your videos were terminated because they violated copyright law which they are required to enforce. apparently you are a repeat offender and thus correctly

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Peter Olson
On March 5, 2015 at 11:26 PM Gravis rin...@adaptivetime.com wrote: the link you posted links to a clip from Al Jazeera that was taken down due to copyright infringement. you do realize that content from Al Jazeera is copyright and that posting it without permission is copyright

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread miroslav . rovis1
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: **Looks around** Full moon tonight? Well, I don't respond in kind. I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora, but my topics and my tips ended up being read and followed. And they are in Gentoo Fora. I'd just point to

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora why am i not surprised? -_- - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM, miroslav.rov...@zg.ht.hr wrote: On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: **Looks around** Full moon tonight? Well, I don't respond in kind. I

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 05 Mar 07:22 -0600, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Mutt is on my todo-stack in case you fancy an out-of-the box setup of msmtp, fetchmail, mutt and notmuch search over maildirs plus abook integration, have a look at

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread miroslav . rovis1
I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation. But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction of a programmer if at all), [user-to-user] tips: Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb william moss: On 03/04/2015 07:06 PM, Ed Ender wrote: [...] Opera for the browser. Thunderbird or Claws for email, though the Opera client is good. Does it have maildir? All those one-big-file-for-everything mailbox style clients are pestilenze for

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread shraptor shraptor
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, it also has no real security support. No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. The fact that the Linux build of Chromium

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Mutt is on my todo-stack in case you fancy an out-of-the box setup of msmtp, fetchmail, mutt and notmuch search over maildirs plus abook integration, have a look at https://www.dyne.org/software/jaro-mail :^) I certainly plan to package it for Devuan.

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
as a matter of fact, it is! http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php the good news is that friday the 13th wont coincide with a full moon for another 34 years. turns out, the last one was this past June. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Martijn Dekkers

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread miroslav . rovis1
This is textual representation from links -dump https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20150305.194152.e5e48ea9.en.html . ||M...|| Gravis 2015-03-05 05:22 ||M| Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 2015-03-05 08:04 ||.M Dr.

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
you are not a victim here. your videos were terminated because they violated copyright law which they are required to enforce. apparently you are a repeat offender and thus correctly deemed untrustworthy. You don't know that to be truth what you are claiming. And you are calling me a lier

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Anto wrote: Hello Everybody, I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the re-branded Mozilla products. As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread william moss
cents! Ed -Original Message- From: T.J. Duchene [t.j.duch...@gmail.com] Date: 03/04/2015 06:14 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is On 03/04/2015 01:25 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I guess it is very likely that the first release

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
a lot of devuan packages are just rebuilt debian packages. we dont need more work than we already have, so why bother with re-re-branding? if you can't stomach chromium then i suggest you check out qupzilla because it has to speed of chromium, the interface of firefox and no google integration.

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Jude Nelson
Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, it also has no real security support. No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each tab and plugin in its own seccomp'ed process and runs them

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Ed Ender
...@excite.com CC: dng@lists.dyne.org dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I have no real say in the matter. That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
don't understand where you got child pornography from. -Original Message- From: Gravis [rin...@adaptivetime.com] Date: 03/04/2015 09:16 PM To: Ed Ender skae...@excite.com CC: dng@lists.dyne.org dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 21:09 -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, it also has no real security support. No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
They do not support anything but the current version unbuildable on a stable Debian release because they freely import dependencies They don't even support RHEL 6 you have this /backwards/, your _software_distributor_ isn't supporting Chromium. there are literally tens of thousands of

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 03/04/2015 01:25 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the re-branded Mozilla products. As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 05:14:26PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: Is Devuan going to use the exact same guideline? If not,is there any plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is in the future, especially Firefox and Thunderbird? If I might offer an alternative suggestion? I'd rather see