[DNG] What should be the tasks of the Devuan Installer

2018-12-12 Thread g4sra via Dng
Media partitioning, formatting Configure mountpoints Install Bootloader Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware Install Shell & package management software Configure console Configure network Boot Discuss... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Luciano Mannucci
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:28:11 -0500 Haines Brown wrote: > Antony, its not in my /etc/mail/aliases. In your case, your sendmail > probably created it. But for those not using sendmail, is > the /etc/aliases file no longer userful or needed? I'm running postfix that uses it. Maybe other mtas

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On 12/12/2018 11:14, Rick Moen wrote: A key part of the basis of Eric's argument is irritatingly and obviously untrue: If you want to have more devs, you need to attract a larger userbase. I'm surprised to see Eric advance this non-sequitur. I don't think it's a non sequitur, but I do

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Jim Jackson
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Lars Nood??n via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > > > It's probably a time that Procmail be retired, and thus anything based > > on it. There have been a lot of reports in recent years of serious, > > unsafe bugs in its processing. However, there

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread g4sra via Dng
On 12/12/2018 15:22, KatolaZ wrote: [snip] > > Please find below the stats of the actual number of downloads of each > ASCII image according to https://files.devuan.org in the last 14 days > (without taking into account the other 24 ISO mirrors): > > - netinst: 149 > - DVD ISO:

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 02:40:11PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: [cut] > installation methods. Looking at > https://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/devuan/devuan_ascii_rc/installer-iso/ for > example. Do the separate CD and DVD images have much value given that they > only hold the tiniest fraction of

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Haines Brown
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 02:10:24PM +0100, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba wrote: > Hi Haines, > > El Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:18:35 -0500 > Haines Brown escribió: > > > In debian I had the file /etc/aliases with more or less standard > > entries, but don't know how it got there [...] > > It is

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Jim Jackson - 12.12.18, 15:33: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Lars Nood??n via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > > > It's probably a time that Procmail be retired, and thus anything > > > based on it. There have been a lot of reports in recent years of > > > serious, unsafe bugs in

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread golinux
On 2018-12-12 09:22, KatolaZ wrote: And please find below a more detailed explanation on the motivations behind each image: - netinst exist because it's the preferred way of installing minimal systems and servers; - the install DVD ISO exists because there are many users asking for a

Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]

2018-12-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > webpage would be a valuable contribution. I don't know how much I believe this myself, but.. Anyone

Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]

2018-12-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:39:49AM -0800, spiralofhope wrote: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > > webpage would be a valuable

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Joel Roth via Dng
Jim Jackson wrote: > > Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail? > so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter. I filter my incoming mail using perl script based on https://metacpan.org/pod/Email::Filter. It is designed to be a drop-in replacement for procmail,

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 03:14:39 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > If you want to have more devs, you need to attract a larger > userbase. > > I'm surprised to see Eric advance this non-sequitur. Open source > projects attract developers because their needs and objectives (or the > needs and objectives

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Jim Jackson (j...@franjam.org.uk): > Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail? > so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter. Most-often mentioned alternative LDAs (local delivery agents) are Maildrop, sieve[1], sortmail, and Dovecot LDA. (Me, I just

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba
Hi Haines, El Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:43:29 -0500 Haines Brown escribió: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 02:10:24PM +0100, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba > wrote: > > Hi Haines, > > > > El Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:18:35 -0500 > > Haines Brown escribió: > > > > > In debian I had the file /etc/aliases

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread Bruce Perens
Eric has never been the developer of a distribution, so there will be things he doesn't understand. I am all for having as many users as possible. I understand the problem of proprietary firmware and hope that this is not a significant blocker for most people, especially since most distribution

Re: [DNG] About gnuinos ascii

2018-12-12 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 12/12/18 at 00:36, aitor wrote: > Thanks for your attention, and merry christmas to all of you :)   Thank you for your contribution, and Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to you!  ☺ -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
There's also Sieve.  Not a drop-in replacement to procmail, but pretty powerful. On 12/12/18 5:08 PM, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: Jim Jackson wrote: Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail? so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter. I filter my incoming mail

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Lars Nood??n via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > It's probably a time that Procmail be retired, and thus anything based > on it. There have been a lot of reports in recent years of serious, > unsafe bugs in its processing. However, there is this comment about it > from a former Procmail

[DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-12 Thread Rick Moen
A very odd thing happened on #devuan, and then an incrementally odder thing on dev1galaxy, on the day before Pearl Harbour Day.Both involved a whirlwind visit by Eric Raymond -- who came and went with some quite ranty opinions. Being sleepy at the time, I good-naturedly promised Eric I'd

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 12/12/18 1:14 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de): [...] >> Ah, I found it: smartlist. It appears to be a small, lightweight C >> application. Debian is using this. > > Nicely summarised. Yes, SmartList seems to have carved out a neat > little niche of

Re: [DNG] About gnuinos ascii

2018-12-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 12:36:23AM +0100, aitor wrote: [cut] > > Here you are the resulting image generated by the live-sdk, including > debian-installer: > > http://gnuinos.org/gnuinos%20ascii/ > Great job aitor! HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 12/12/18 1:13 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Lars Nood??n via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > >> It's probably a time that Procmail be retired, and thus anything based >> on it. There have been a lot of reports in recent years of serious, >> unsafe bugs in its processing. However, there is this

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Rick Moen
I wrote: > Upon examination, it turns out that the known flaws in Procmail lack any > credible exploitation scenario. The matter was covered on LWN.net a few > years ago, and I'm pretty sure nothing has changed substantively. > > (I've gone through this discussion several times since then on

Re: [DNG] ifstat.eth0 on Boot

2018-12-12 Thread Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba
Hi Michael K. El Fri, 7 Dec 2018 12:45:11 +0100 "Michael K." escribió: > After a Dev1 Setup on a Laptop (whit eth0), i have to wait a long time > for the eth0 on "cold boot". > > I "cold boot" my Laptop > I look to the "Boot Messages" > I see the following Msg: > > Configuring Network

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 12 December 2018 at 13:18:35, Haines Brown wrote: > In debian I had the file /etc/aliases with more or less standard > entries, but don't know how it got there (I didn't run sendmail or > procmail, but did run exim4). I now see that the file is missing in > devuan ASCII (where I also

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2018-12-12 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 12/12/18 1:25 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > I wrote: > >> Upon examination, it turns out that the known flaws in Procmail lack any >> credible exploitation scenario. The matter was covered on LWN.net a few >> years ago, and I'm pretty sure nothing has changed substantively. >> >> (I've gone through

[DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]

2018-12-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 03:14:39AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: [cut] > > What Eric left for us: > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13144#p13144 > Dear Rick, I would really like to avoid starting yet-another-lengthy-flame which has little chance of being useful at all. Writing 150 emails

Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]

2018-12-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > I would really like to avoid starting yet-another-lengthy-flame which > has little chance of being useful at all. Writing 150 emails about > which points of that post are good and which are bad might possibly be > useful to sharpen our own rhetoric

[DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Haines Brown
In debian I had the file /etc/aliases with more or less standard entries, but don't know how it got there (I didn't run sendmail or procmail, but did run exim4). I now see that the file is missing in devuan ASCII (where I also run exim4). Is this file a good thing to have or does devuan

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Haines Brown
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 01:21:46PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 12 December 2018 at 13:18:35, Haines Brown wrote: > > > In debian I had the file /etc/aliases with more or less standard > > entries, but don't know how it got there (I didn't run sendmail or > > procmail, but did run

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 07:28:11AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: [cut] > > > Antony, its not in my /etc/mail/aliases. In your case, your sendmail > probably created it. But for those not using sendmail, is > the /etc/aliases file no longer userful or needed? > Dear Haines, as you know,

Re: [DNG] ifstat.eth0 on Boot

2018-12-12 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2018 schrieb Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba: > Hi Michael K. > > El Fri, 7 Dec 2018 12:45:11 +0100 > "Michael K." escribió: > > > After a Dev1 Setup on a Laptop (whit eth0), i have to wait a long time > > for the eth0 on "cold boot". > > > > I "cold boot" my Laptop

Re: [DNG] /etc/aliases

2018-12-12 Thread Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba
Hi Haines, El Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:18:35 -0500 Haines Brown escribió: > In debian I had the file /etc/aliases with more or less standard > entries, but don't know how it got there [...] It is commony created during the installation by debian-installer (and I see that devuan-installer does the

Re: [DNG] ifstat.eth0 on Boot

2018-12-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/12/2018 à 13:58, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : Am Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2018 schrieb Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba: Hi Michael K. El Fri, 7 Dec 2018 12:45:11 +0100 "Michael K." escribió: After a Dev1 Setup on a Laptop (whit eth0), i have to wait a long time for the eth0 on "cold

Re: [DNG] ifstat.eth0 on Boot

2018-12-12 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 schrieb Didier Kryn: > Le 12/12/2018 à 13:58, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : > > Am Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2018 schrieb Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba: > >> Hi Michael K. > >> > >> El Fri, 7 Dec 2018 12:45:11 +0100 > >> "Michael K." escribió: > >> > >>> After a Dev1