Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/14/2016 05:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): I personally don't see the reason for such a reaction on your side Rick (BTW, welcome here :)), but I am sure I am missing something. I personally believe that all the work to avoid and contain systemd and other

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) > Robert Storey >> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC) >> From: Go Linux >> >>>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README : >> >>Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file): >>- console:

[DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

Hi, The International Obfuscated C Code Contest, IOCCC was started by the "masters" and "pioneers" in C. This is a "competition" for those who take pride in compressing code to the point of making it practically unreadable. The following is a program submitted to IOCCC:

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC) > From: Go Linux > >>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README : > >Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file): >- console: start console login >- exit: exit SLiM >- halt: halt the system >- reboot:

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

Hi, << About choice of language. I read there are 191 undefined behaviors in the C99 standard, which means an equal number of tarpits waiting for the cognitively difficient coder. >> ROFLMAO! I pity your vane attempts to mislead me and destabilise me psychologically. "Cognitively dificient"?!

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

On Thu, 7/14/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 10:33 PM On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: >> Golinux told me that to

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

There is no more need to install Raspbian first. all Devuan ARM images are now directly installable just like raspian is. not just the Rpi2/3 image, but all others, will work the same: dd on a SD card and boot. and yes, in case you are asking yourself, not even Debian does provide that ATM. We

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:34:55 -0400 Brian Nash wrote: > The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian > distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to > /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging > systemd. Assuming that this

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > You didn't read what I wrote did you ? I most certainly did. And I make no apologies for mildly mocking you for speaking about a 'trojan', as that was patently ridiculous, and you know it. > It may be "inert" now - well actually it isn't

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Rick Moen wrote: > An unused, inert library is a trojan? You didn't read what I wrote did you ? It may be "inert" now - well actually it isn't completely inert if it's being called by packages with gratuitous dependencies on it* - but as I said, there is zero guarantee

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > libsystemd0] is "part" of systemd, and I assume systemd won't work without it. Question: What does it do _without_ systemd? I think you know the answer. Nothing at all. Rein du tout. But, as I said on my Web page, if worried about that, just

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

Is that file a full SD card image? Do you need a whole image? If not, then this might work: The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging systemd. My

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > And again, this is more or less what Devuan is doing :) We are still > using 99.5% of the packages directly from Debian. All the packages > developed for Devuan work with little or no effort at all in other > Debian-based environments. We are probably

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, shraptor wrote: > I am about to buy a Raspberry Pi and want to go with the latest version > model 3. > > When I check https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/ > I only find devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz > > Will there be a version for Raspberry Pi 3 or

[DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

I am about to buy a Raspberry Pi and want to go with the latest version model 3. When I check https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/ I only find devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz Will there be a version for Raspberry Pi 3 or should I buy the Raspberry Pi 2 version? /scooby

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

I have read about half of this thread and decided I would make my comments at the most recent response, so Jaromil wins (loses?!). Most of what I have read is arguments between uber-geeks. They can pin debian packages and make it do what they want but their needs seems to be... limited. The

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Rick Moen (r...@linuxmafia.com): > I know. The 'h' was a typo -- and I spotted it with considerable chagrin > just after posting. (I was far too tired.) But the 'litte' was a genuine blunder from someone who is learning norsk as a third language. Fixed. Takk for hjelp.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > Rick Moen [2016-07-14 11:24]: > > > [1] 'litte-datamashin' is my laptop (hostname means 'little computer' in > > Norwegian). > > Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that would be 'liten datamaskin'. I know. The 'h' was a typo -- and I spotted it with

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:50:25 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 9:07 AM > > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:33:26

[DNG] How can I help ?

Hello, I'm tired of the packages that depend on systemd without really needing it. I was trying to compile some packages without that dependency, with little success. Are there any written instructions how to do? It's worth doing it separately from what they are doing in the distribution?

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Percentage of Debian 8 packages you can use of you don't want systemd > > around (again, unless I've missed any) is thus: > > > > (43671 - 97) / 43671 * 100 = 99.77% > > > That's probably the reason why amprolla works so well. well the

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation

hi Aitor On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, aitor_czr wrote: >Now, i suspect the cause... And i added *aufs* and *squashfs* >support to the kernel. if they weren't in already, I'm pretty sure that was the problem. >My patience with linux-libre-4.6.2 still hasn't run out :) please keep it up,

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:24:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > What I did (that was documented on the OpenRC conversion page) sufficed > to prove that common claims about deep and pervasive systemd-dependency > problems in Debian 8 have been vastly exaggerated (I list in detail the > ones that

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation

On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 9:07 AM On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:33:26 +1200 Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 14/07/16 17:27, Steve Litt wrote: >

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation

Hi all, El 14/07/16 a las 21:24 de la Noche Plutoniana, Steve Litt escribió: However, I think somebody from Devuan should add to the login window's > graphic (the stylized lightgreen and darkergreen Login graphic) the > string "Press F1 to switch window managers." Today's computers should >

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

- Original Message - From: "KatolaZ" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14:18AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:15:50 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > We need a reliable APT based core distribution to build upon, which is > not out for grabs for the next tribe of pubescent rockstar-coders > wanting to prove themselves worthed of changing history. ROFLMAO! The next time

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:41:36PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > > Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between > > Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd packages > in /etc/apt/preferences > > and > ... > banpkgs: systemd,systemd-sysv > ... > part of amprolla.conf ? Not much difference in

[DNG] OT: 2000 words per day.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > I have no time now to recall all the analysis :^( plus for other > reasons I'm typing approx 2000 words per day and its becoming sort of > taxing on my hands. Congratulations! If you'd call all that a novel and do it during November

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation

On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 12:27 AM On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > When installing, you get to

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Rick Moen wrote: > For completeness, I'll mention that, if a Debian 8 'Jessie' or Debian 9 > 'Stretch' system does end up suffering packager-caused intrusion of > systemd into important packages (for some value of 'important' ;-> ), > then I can confidently predict that

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:10:59 +0200, Harald wrote in message : > Rick Moen [2016-07-14 11:24]: > > > [1] 'litte-datamashin' is my laptop (hostname means 'little ..he _could_ be referring to our trouble shooter friend Steve... ;o) > > computer'

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:24:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: [cut] > > There are numerous ways to enforce a local (or limited-interest) policy > on a distribution's offerings. That is one of them. I list in my > OpenRC conversion page a number of ways to overcome dependency problems: > find a

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > Look Rick, Devuan is exactly trying to do this, in a consistent and > comprehensive way, well before it will be too late. Exactly! I'm not only well aware of this, but mention it with approval on my OpenRC conversion Web page. > I think I know very

Re: [DNG] Helping (was: Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless)

Jaromil wrote: > So if you visit daily this page https://distrowatch.com/devuan and > even set it as homepage on your computers, then this will definitely > help us putting the word out about Devuan. We can always use more > visibility and DW is an excellent avenue for that.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

dear Rick I did not expect you to use 'shutdown -h now'! the real old school thing is 'init 0' (or 'init 6' for reboot) :^) On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Rick Moen wrote: > > In fact, the outcome of Ian Jackson's GR enforces their right to > > such sabotage. > > That is not an accurate representation

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > Wait Rick, I don't think anybody wants to engineer a confrontation > between you and Devuan, indeed :) I'm glad of that. I was speaking of Steve cross-posting here my view that less arduous means exist of running a no-systemd Debian variant community.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 07:32:11PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: [cut] > > And I'm not the one who sought to wave that in the faces of the Dng > mailing list, either. You are. Because, I rather suspect, you wanted > to engineer a confrontation between me and the Devuan Project. > Unfortunately,