On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your
> post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux,
> yesterday and today.
There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for Microsoft, too.
Note that it is entirely
On 06/05/2018 08:18 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days
before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been
trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you
just
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 04:54:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
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>
> All the same, a relatively young, very fast-growing company like GitHub
> might well be expected to burn through cash (thus wiping out any profit
> that would otherwise have been made) at an eye-watering rate. However,
>
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 at 04:54:59 +0100
Mark Rousell wrote:
> My guess is that they liked Nadella more than they liked Microsoft and its
> history.
They just liked the money. And they must not have liked the chances of
having such a big corporation as an enemy.
On 05/06/2018 18:26, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> They only did it because they had to.
Oh absolutely. I just don't see that as a necessarily bad or evil thing.
Necessity is a driver of business and of business behaviour.
>> I predict that they won't muck up GitHub. The fact is
>> that GitHub
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 04:38:59AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:50:10 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message
> <20180605225010.gc12...@topoi.pooq.com>:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in
On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>
> Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days
> before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been
> trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you
> just hear the bluebirds and smell the
On 05/06/2018 19:18, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Mark Rousell:
>> [...]
>> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it
>> is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable
>> future, that is to be friendly to open
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:50:10 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message
<20180605225010.gc12...@topoi.pooq.com>:
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message
> > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>:
> >
> > > ...on Mon, Jun
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message
> <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>:
>
> > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message
<20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>:
> ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to
> > find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:22:46 +0300, Lars wrote in message
<26f8aa1d-718c-5cdf-7fda-3afbb0fbe...@gmail.com>:
> On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> >> KatolaZ wrote:
> >>
> >>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has
I'm installing with devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_dvd-1.iso on a key to a
new machine.
I entered the wlan ESSID with care. I choose WPA/WPA2 PSK.
When the installer attempts to find my wireless network, it fails.
I'm currently accessing my router with may current machine running
Devuan Jessie. I'm
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:15:59PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> >
> > Over on devuan mailinglist a simillar bird apeared with simillar tone ...
> > but he quickly lost his temper :-)
>
> Devuan mailing list?
> Isn't *this* the devuan
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:15:59PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>
> Over on devuan mailinglist a simillar bird apeared with simillar tone ... but
> he quickly lost his temper :-)
Devuan mailing list?
Isn't *this* the devuan mailing list?
Or have I been missing something?
-- hendrik
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Mark Rousell:
> [...]
> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it
> is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable
> future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux.
M$ killed my business twice. Should I
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
> On 2018-06-05 07:57, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> >
> > [cut]
> >
> >>
> >> This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major
> >> corporate Linux company. It would
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 at 12:06:25 +0100
Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 05/06/2018 07:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to
kill open source.
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:55:33 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I have a GPE calendar, which I still use daily, and some GPE
> contacts.
>
> The machine these run on is starting to fail -- spontaneous reboot,
> random battery life, and the like.
>
> It still runs well enough that I can *copy* the
On 2018-06-05 07:57, KatolaZ wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
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This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major
corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new
business
model under Nadella.
In short, Microsoft
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 03:57:12PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> Is Miguel De Icaza an "ex" open source evangelist? As far as I know he's
> working at the NET Foundation on open source projects (or so it says on
> Wikipedia). Xamarin is open source right now. It's a key part of
> Microsoft's
On 05/06/2018 13:56, Lars Noodén wrote:
> Actions speak louder than words.
They do. It will be interesting to see how their "stewardship" of GitHub
works out.
>> Their revenue going forward depends on playing nicely with open source.
> Their revenue does not yet depend on helping FOSS, but it
On 05/06/2018 13:57, KatolaZ wrote:
> I don't believe in fairy tales any more. For me Microsoft remains the
> same rabid dog we have seen so far, and there is nothing you or
> Microsoft can say to convince me otherwise. You said it above:
> Microsoft is in business, and business has nothing to do
On 05/06/2018 13:59, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>
> Mark you seem like a smart likeable guy, just like the guys I have met
> who work for microsoft and is the reason why I have not replied to
> your post.
:-)
> What I'm saying is simple fact, what I've seen with my own eyes and
> what you're saying is
...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to find
> an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it will still run.
Whoah, heavy bitrot around that one...
I still have a working wheezy system, but it
On 06/05/2018 05:15 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions
in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to
kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today
On 06/05/2018 02:06 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 05/06/2018 07:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill
open source.
#
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
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>
> This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major
> corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business
> model under Nadella.
>
> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a
On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions
> in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to
> kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today
> microsoft wants to kill linux period. A
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:48:19AM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote:
>
> However, as long as Devuan is able to self-host, M$ destruction of
> GitHub is only a side problem and not directly in the way of progress.
To *really* self-host, would it not have to have its own copy of
Debian's source package
On 06/04/2018 10:04 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> and owning it means profiling the free
On 05/06/2018 07:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
>>> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill
>>> open source.
>>>
>>> # Serge
>>>
>> I can't see that it would be in
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 at 10:06, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 05/06/2018 à 08:48, Lars Noodén a écrit :
> > Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and
> > M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy
> > but Canonical is not in good shape and like
Le 05/06/2018 à 08:48, Lars Noodén a écrit :
Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and
M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy
but Canonical is not in good shape and like Red Hat it has been
infiltrated at the executive level by
On 06/04/2018 09:10 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
[snip]
> I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-)
[snip]
It's called "Azure Sphere OS" and it is 100% dependent on M$ products.
You cannot use it without M$ Azure and you cannot develop for it without
both M$ Windows and M$ Visual
On 06/04/2018 08:27 PM, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
[snip]
> Unfortunately TTL for societal knowledge seems to be about 6 years;
> i.e., 6 years after introduction, it'll generally be seen as having
> always been there.
>
> Ralph.
Good point but I'd say that's only if it's knowledge in an area near
On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
>>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
>>> stole DOS.
>>
>> While
On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
>> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill
>> open source.
>>
>> # Serge
>>
>
> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source.
Really? Are
On 04/06/2018 at 12:44, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly
>>> emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO.
>>
>>
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