[DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

2017-12-04 Thread Steve Litt
ad engine. Is NFS still a security problem? Does it still have that issue where you never knew what port it would listen on? Do you still need YP,and is YP as monumentally difficult as I remember it being? Are a lot of you using NFS? Do you feel safe doing so? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt N

[DNG] Killfile and move on

2017-12-02 Thread Steve Litt
stand anything they write, killfile them and move on. Seriously, life's too short. SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://m

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

2017-11-22 Thread Steve Litt
21 Nov 2017 18:21:14 +0100, John wrote in message > > > : > > > > > > > (Damn but the systemd journal is great :-)) > > > > A T > > ..er, I _totally_ lost you here. Acronym for Apologist Troll. SteveT Steve Litt Novembe

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

2017-11-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:59:11 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:21:14 +0100, John wrote in message > : > > > (Damn but the systemd journal is great :-)) A T SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.trou

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

2017-11-21 Thread Steve Litt
stead? A program called ip. It has commands such as ip route, ip addr, ip link, and several others. It's confusing and underdocumented, but so is ifconfig (which I never even began to master). I've been using ip for about 2 years now: Starting when I wrote the Manjaro Experiments. Ste

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

2017-11-21 Thread Steve Litt
an does to rc.local in the future, it works perfectly in Devuan. SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

2017-11-19 Thread Steve Litt
st and execute on a Debian properly raindanced with a sysvinit-bestowing package? If the former, that makes perfect sense. /etc/rc.local means nothing to non-sysvinit inits. If the latter, that's vandalism. By the way, couldn't we just make a /etc/init.d/S99-zzz-rclocal that's a symlink

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

2017-11-19 Thread Steve Litt
ematurely ruling out a whole class of root causes, be that class conspiracy, lone wolf, mistake or randomness, the person or community is hampered in solving or working around. Steve Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://w

[DNG] About using an independent process supervisor

2017-11-17 Thread Steve Litt
u're a DIY kind of person, try it. Put the Process Supervisor part of runit or s6 on your sysvinit-initted computer, and watch how much you start to like having a Process Supervisor. I'd go so far to say that if you run a process supervisor on top of sysvinit, you'll have *much* less in

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

2017-11-17 Thread Steve Litt
we'll all be civil. Unfortunately, there will always be those who respond to trolls. For that purpose, Rick Moen has written a rather ingenious procmail recipe to /dev/null all identifiable descendents of the troll's posts. I don't use it because I'm scared I

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

2017-11-17 Thread Steve Litt
Supervisor to sysvinit was suggested (by me) as a possible solution. Later, somebody renamed this thread to "openrc init", which discusses openrc as an alternative init. SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

2017-11-17 Thread Steve Litt
ys running, you could simply run it in /etc/rc.local. I'm not suggesting an init system for Devuan, and to me, for the foreseeable future, sysvinit seems adequate, especially if reenforceable with a supervisor. More in other emails... SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Tr

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

2017-11-16 Thread Steve Litt
ould function properly? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

2017-11-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:48:52 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hello Steve. > > Steve Litt - 15.11.17, 19:59: > > I personally don't like #1. The Debian maintainers are > > obstructionists, so I wouldn't help them: I wouldn't give them the > >

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

2017-11-15 Thread Steve Litt
th very little mindshare, so I'd temporarily rule that out. Runit and s6 are both extremely well thought of, can both be turned into complete init systems. The combination of a sysvinit PID1 plus a spawned supervisor can make Devuan capable of running lots of daemons abandoned by Debian, for years to come. SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Libre computers (as I see you don't like ME/PSP) they exist!

2017-11-14 Thread Steve Litt
coreboot.org/Board:asus/kgpe-d16 > https://www.coreboot.org/Board:asus/kcma-d8 (board is $250, cpu > $20-$100) > https://www.raptorengineering.com/coreboot/kgpe-d16-bmc-port-status.php > (libre remote management firmware for these two) Nice! SteveT

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

2017-11-14 Thread Steve Litt
>Why do you keep claiming the /usr problem is something to do with > > >>systemd? [snip systemd apologism from the troll] > > But we're talking about Linux here, where it wasn't a big problem. > > -- hendrik DON'TFEEDTHETROLL

Re: [DNG] Libre computers (as I see you don't like ME/PSP) they exist!

2017-11-13 Thread Steve Litt
did. Noww you're speaking my language. Do you have a URL to read about KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing li

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

2017-11-13 Thread Steve Litt
One more thing: What did people do before maybe 2010, when /sbin, /bin, /usr/sbin, and /user/bin were four separate directories? Was life that hard back then? Were develpers smarter? SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Libre computers (as I see you don't like ME/PSP) they exist!

2017-11-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:03:32 -0500 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > In case you don't notice my reply (but please keep replies on the ML > so everyone sees :D) OK, here it is... > > On 11/09/2017 12:32 PM, Steve Litt wrote: [snip] > > After Rick's posted Mini

Re: [DNG] Documentation format philosophies

2017-11-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 00:39:34 +0100 Svante Signell wrote: > On Sat, 2017-11-11 at 13:33 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > >  We use LaTEX in technical documents,  > > > > LaTeX is wonderful *for what it does*, which is make beautifully > > typeset documen

Re: [DNG] Documentation format philosophies

2017-11-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:15:44 + jack da wrote: > Steve Litt: these days I write all my personal documents with > Leafpad, which adds word-wrap capability to what can be achieved with > plain text editors ex, nano, etc. If you include Vim in that list, Vim has at least one Zencodi

[DNG] Documentation format philosophies: was Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Steve Litt
ok pretty much identical on every browser, unlike "real" HTML. By the way, somebody (me for instance) should really fix it so &nsbp; passes, instead of forcing the author to   to pass. Same for ™ instead of ™ and ® instead of ® and © instead of ©. If you author in Xhtml, you ca

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Steve Litt
a lifting of the helplessness brought on by complex inits and initramfs', and real ammunition to correctly assess and debate the init process. This is excellent documentation that should be pointed to much more prominently. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21

Re: [DNG] AMD: Was Problem with xorg on 6th gen Intel cpus

2017-11-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 09:58:24 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > After Rick's posted Minix on Intel article, I'm going to stick with > > AMD even if it's more expensive, slower and hotter (and I'm not > > sayi

[DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-09 Thread Steve Litt
bejewelled with irrelevant features, and if this shiny alternative isn't fit for the purpose, they argue that it is. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] AMD: Was Problem with xorg on 6th gen Intel cpus

2017-11-09 Thread Steve Litt
re expensive, slower and hotter (and I'm not saying any of those things are true). SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://

[DNG] Why not initrd: was lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

2017-11-07 Thread Steve Litt
shield for systemd. If you don't speak up when they remove the use cases of others, one day *your* use case will be dispensed with. [1]https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/InitrdInterface/ SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http:/

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

2017-11-07 Thread Steve Litt
;s nobody to hear it, did it make a sound? 2) If a troll trolls but everybody's /dev/nulled him, is there really a troll? There have forever been "systemd's not so bad" trolls on DNG, and my recommendation remains the same: When you encounter one, killile and move on.

Re: [DNG] Pdftk users, watch your backsides

2017-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
> ..what happens if you recompile said canary compiler > from source with: --enable-libgjc ? Recompiling a compiler is a little rich for my blood. Much easier to re-craft exiftool to replace the lost pdftool functionality. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 feat

[DNG] Pdftk users, watch your backsides

2017-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
let me know. But I should tell you that it's entirely possible that long before Devuan encounters the dropped libgcj, pdftk's author Sid Steward will have created a sans-libgcj version of pdftk. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21s

Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team

2017-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
release schedule. This sounds like great news to me. Growth and transitions are a difficult but necessary step on the path to permanence and quality. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

[DNG] I went back to Openbox

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Litt
piest and oldest systems would showcase the difference between their weights. And unlike ctwm, Openbox is already represented by a Devuan package. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _

[DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Litt
ng system so I can use Linux on all my Androids. Why don't you make Hurd more efficient so Google will put it on the Android?" I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding! SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:47:51 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as much as I > > > can in l

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-30 Thread Steve Litt
etty much what we had in MBR. Which is why I always try to boot MBR. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyn

Re: [DNG] Getting to know Chris Lamb

2017-10-29 Thread Steve Litt
's relationship to Redhat, Gnome, and other monied entities must be investigated. Only after such a Truth and Reconcilliation, which almost certainly will lead to a committment to forever keep open the possibility of alternative inits, will Debian begin to regain its former status. Steve

Re: [DNG] First steps on possible runit package

2017-10-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:38:39 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 06:00:35AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I wrote to runit author Gerrit Pape about his vision of how runit > > should be implemented, and also the supervision list

[DNG] First steps on possible runit package

2017-10-29 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I wrote to runit author Gerrit Pape about his vision of how runit should be implemented, and also the supervision list with a couple questions. Hopefully, when I get a partner to do the actual packaging, it will go fairly quickly. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Steve Litt
which is why I'm seeking a Devuan packaging expert as a partner in creating the Devuan runit package. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lis

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-28 Thread Steve Litt
package would also be cool.) Cool as hell, but I'm the wrong guy for the job of package-making. The same as you would never, never, NEVER depend on me for aesthetics: that's golinux' job. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://ww

[DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-28 Thread Steve Litt
I talk to s6's developer on a regular basis and I think he'd be helpful. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:39:53 -0400 zap wrote: > On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: > > On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: > >> No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, > > > > Debian fan? He's one of the people who build the distribution Devuan

Re: [DNG] Runit for Devuan: was Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread Steve Litt
and also would like a runit package? I could probably put together a Devuan/runit Vagrant file, from which we could make a package. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___

[DNG] Runit for Devuan: was Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Steve Litt
again, someone who knows how to build Devuan package plus me plus a little bit of guidance from s6' upstream would produce a Devuan package. Who on this list is an apt packaging ninja and wants to work on this with me? SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:58:42 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > But Chris, please understand, Debian *has* done plenty of sabotage > > and vandalism in the past, especially but not exclusively with the > > ramming of system

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Steve Litt
Poettering and Redhat. Ask around: That opinion isn't Steve Litt's alone. So thanks for letting us know your position and motives: I won't again lump you with the rest of the Debian project, and am sorry I did it the first time. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured boo

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-25 Thread Steve Litt
nit run script is probably 1/10 the size of its bloatacious and apparently broken sysvinit init script, so it's easy to correctly design the runit run script. This could also be done with daemontools-encore, if there's a good package for it (Debian's package for just plain daemonto

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:42:00 -0400 John Franklin wrote: > > On Oct 23, 2017, at 2:37 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > > On 2017-10-23 09:41, Steve Litt wrote: > >> To get Windows 10 certification, you have to have Secure Boot but > >> there's no r

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread Steve Litt
have to have Secure Boot but there's no requirement for an off switch. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-22 Thread Steve Litt
"nobody needs hardware protection against malware" or "nobody needs a system to prevent various boot code from clobbering each other." All I'm saying is it should be an option, and the existence of the option. SteveT Steve Litt Octo

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-21 Thread Steve Litt
=== Remember the days when you could take any bootloader with any kernel in any distro and pretty much boot it up, perhaps with a few chroot adventures? I won't buy a computer or mobo without knowing whether or not it can disable Secure Boot (this isn't a pub

[DNG] ctwm docs

2017-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
;s pretty cool. Will I go back to Openbox? I don't know. Anyway, feel free to ask me questions about ctwm. I've gotten it running on Devuan VM guests, and it works well there. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Cen

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:33:33 -0400 John Franklin wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Steve Litt > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:18:43 +0200 > > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > > >> Am Samstag, 7. Oktober 2017 schrie

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:46:28 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up,

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:22:33 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it > > > looks like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessi

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread Steve Litt
d POSSIBLY go wrong? SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:31:28 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 16. Oktober 2017 schrieb Steve Litt: > > > > * UEFI allows for more security with secure boot. E.g. my > > > > thinkpad *only* boots things that I have signed with my key. >

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
tion that UEFI is the best code in the world written > by the the best of the best and therefore absolutely secure. > > Nik Nik, that should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer :-) Tobias Hunger, why don't you go support the project you DO like instead of trolling the on

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

2017-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
(A20) has an Allwinner bios, and any web search shows clearly that Allwinner is a serial GPL violator. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

2017-10-07 Thread Steve Litt
old file for guidance if needed. You'll have a solid Devuan. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-27 Thread Steve Litt
ing in systemd land. John --- the list suggested Mate and several other wonderful WMDEs to the OP, but he demanded his Gnome3, which is unlikely to ever appear in Devuan because the chance of finding someone having both a love of Gnome3 and the tech chops to depoetterize it is slim. Which m

Re: [DNG] security

2017-09-26 Thread Steve Litt
17 is $233,610 (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/09/pf/cost-of-raising-a-child-2015/index.html). This does not include college. It's just possible there are people on this list who prioritize saving for their kids' college education or extra-curricular activities over squeezing out that last tiny b

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:45:04 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/09/2017 à 20:20, Steve Litt a écrit : > >> What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding > >> root authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt > >&g

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Steve Litt
I open a terminal that's white on red background. When I open a terminal intended to be me on my local machine, it's black on white background. This has saved me some pretty bad mistakes over the years. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager'

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-20 Thread Steve Litt
use Google maps (I unfortunately do), Chromium does a much better job with them than the other browsers. I might change my mind in a few weeks, but for now, Chromium seems to be the least sucky browser. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troub

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Steve Litt
e all the time, and prioritization of resources means some are simply going to choose other distros. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit: > > Why in the world would you need Gnome? > > 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for > unexperienced and normal people. > > 2. I sel

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-19 Thread Steve Litt
> Gnome, because Gnome depends on systemd. If you want Gnome you have > to live with systemd. It's your choice. If you want a Windows GUI you > have to use Windows. But don't cry. Couldn't have said it better myself. We all have priorities, and some priority sets aren&

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-19 Thread Steve Litt
expert on systemctl and journalctl, and don't come crying to me. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:19:02 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > > > El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit: > Why in the world would you need Gnome? Copy their home directory, >> I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to >> Gnome. XFCE i

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Steve Litt
twm let them do it themselves. PS: Do them a favor and incorporate dmenu using an easy hotkey. They'll be so thrilled with the quick and easy user interface that they'll never miss Gnome. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
ut nooo. Wait right there while I take my time machine back to 1969 and convince Dennis to do this. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] rolling release?

2017-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 04:07:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > Just a guess: A rolling-release Devuan wouldn't be especially > &

Re: [DNG] Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2017-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
ng. For software designed from the ground up to be a promiscuous communicator, like Gnome and KDE apps, something like dbus is essential, so I spoze dbus is as good as anything. However, ssh-agent is a nice, encapsulated little utility, so there's no reason I can see to encumber it with dbus.

Re: [DNG] Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2017-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 13:03:01 +0200 Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:43:34 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does ssh-agent interacting with dbus seem like a > > horrible idea? > > > IIUC, they are only interacting insofar, that

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

2017-09-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:04:40 -0400 zap wrote: > On 09/14/2017 11:11 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:33:06 -0500 > > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > >> On 2017-09-11 11:45, zap wrote: > >> > >>>> It would have only these

Re: [DNG] Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2017-09-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 05:29:30 -0500 hal wrote: > > Didier, > Thank you for that. > Is there a way to restart the ssh-agent dbus process without logging > out? Is it just me, or does ssh-agent interacting with dbus seem like a horrible idea? SteveT Steve Litt September 201

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

2017-09-14 Thread Steve Litt
ike rolling release, why not switch to Void or Funtoo? SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

2017-09-14 Thread Steve Litt
n't make it our problem - and drop a note here when it's ready. > > > > golinux > > > Oh and ps, golinux whats your thoughts on changing from a debian fork > to a independent distro? > > for devuan I mean... I thought this was always the long-term plan.

[DNG] Fw: Gentoo wiki

2017-09-01 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I'm forwarding this from the Supervision list. Really great information about runit, s6, and daemontools-encore. I think this is handy information no matter what distro one is using. SteveT === Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 1

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 23:18:45 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > On 29/08/17 13:26, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 09:14:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >> I tried ctwm. > >> > >> The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the > >

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
om a few days ago explains how to do everything. SteveT Steve Litt September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 14:26:49 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 09:14:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I tried ctwm. > > > > The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the tradition > > of Debian packages, it doesn't work o

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:32:56 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > A nicely documented ctwmrc file is here:- Very nice! I might investigate using ctwm as my daily driver WMDE instead of Openbox. > > https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~axs/laptop/ctwm/ctwmrc-lape-2014-05-13.txt SteveT __

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:37:00 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Am 2017-08-28 18:26, schrieb Edward Bartolo: > > XFCE 4 gives me font type/size configurability. Window Managers do > > not give me that functionality expecting me to spend hours upon > > hours ruining my eyes groping in configuration files

[DNG] ctwm

2017-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Dave Turner mentioned ctwm in the "devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE" thread, and because I've failed at every attempt to use twm, I tried ctwm. The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the tradition of Debian packages, it doesn't work out of the b

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

2017-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 06:51:24 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no > pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) Very nice! > > I installed eudev Did you install eudev simply by apt-get install udev? Were there

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
> > Aitor. > > Thanks aitor, but the little Udoo X86 is used for video streaming ... > though that could probably be wangled on the command line - after a > bit of trial and a lot of error. > > Thanks for all the help. I'll take this one step at the time. > > E

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:35:13 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > Hi Edward, > > Can you please quote the relevant parts of the mail you are replying > to, especially the name of the person who sent that mail. Please ;) Yes! And I wish everybody would do what Svante says. And it's not just Edward, by

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
ve a user utility deduce it to something like $eth0of1 I'd vote for #3, but would be happy with any of the above. I'm not sure how VW, Trump or Poland snuck into the thread, but it's about Devuan. SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Bu

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:10:39 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Steve may or may not have noticed that I also did answer his other > question: For a user to make a system's choice of window manager > 'sticky' in SLiM, he/she need only edit ~/.xinitrc . Thus, each user > gets to declare a preference. I

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:17:58 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com): > > > No, I mean, I literally don't understand the use of the words chosen > > and how they're supposed to modify each other. Based on your > > interpretation, my guesswork of his intended usag

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:53:43 +0200 Michael Siegel wrote: > Am 23.08.2017 um 09:31 schrieb Harald Arnesen: > > Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]: > > > >> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is > >> something that runs for awhil

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:31:45 +0200 Harald Arnesen wrote: > Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]: > > > As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is > > something that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's > > already running.

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:17:37 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > But the question you really wanted to ask is: How do you add fvwm to > the things SLiM offers the user at login? No, that happened automatically once I installed the fvwm package with apt-get. SteveT ___

[DNG] fvwm

2017-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Fvwm is a lightweight GOSFUI (Graphical Operating System Facing User Interface (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/gosfui.htm)) that is extremely configurable and extensible. Not many people use it, but those who do love it. The trouble is, it's very difficult to configure, and configura

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:53:40 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > Yeah, the name on a usb dongle is insane. I didn't stick with it long > enough to figure out if that number comes from somewhere or is random. LOL, I stuck a wifi dongle into a USB hub plugged into a USB port, and the NIC name was about 10 c

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Steve Litt
1 Just export those env vars into all process trees requiring networks interface names, and you've got it made. I see this as the best of both worlds, and it requires no changes to udev or eudev or the kernel or anything. SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start You

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

2017-08-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:48:56 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 08:05 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This > > > one > > > from Steve is just adding some m

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