[DNG] How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim?

2020-02-25 Thread terryc
This annoyance has crept into my system some time ago and I can not figure out how to banish it. I've looked through all the personal and sysem config files and can not find a switch to tern off text colourisation. All I want or need vi for is a simple black text on white(grey actually) editor. I

Re: [DNG] Tried Debian Stretch with systemd out of constrainsts

2020-01-11 Thread terryc
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:18:09 + Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > First of all thanks for replying. It seems the driver is installed > according to usb-devices. The interesting stanza is the following: > > T: Bus=07 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 6 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 > D: Ver= 2.0

[DNG] OT? Who decides Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-30 Thread terryc
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:46:51 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:10:46 +1100 > terryc wrote: > > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:11:16 +1100 > > Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > > > > > Debian needs to somehow find a way to include user

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread terryc
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 13:01:25 + Mark Rousell wrote: > On 28/12/2019 07:01, Steve Litt wrote: > > So, if we insist on assisting Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, and their ilk, > > and all their users, by incorporating DMARC > > Really, it's surely not a matter of willingly helping them. It's more > a

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-29 Thread terryc
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:11:16 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 28/12/19 9:03 pm, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > > A mediocre result, neither good nor bad. The best option for people > > who don't want to use systemd, Option 6 "E

Re: [DNG] frozen messages from dng-bounces

2019-12-16 Thread terryc
Just my 2c. On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:51:40 -0500 Haines Brown wrote: > I periodically get frozen messages alerts from dng-bounces. Sometimes > several in a day; sometimes every few days. The time of the message > is random. That corresponds with the frequency of messages to the list. > I'm runi

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII point release

2019-10-22 Thread terryc
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 08:46:47 +0200 Joril via Dng wrote: > On 22/10/19 06:00, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: > > The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, > > desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for > > download here: > > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_as

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-27 Thread terryc
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:19:32 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: >     Imagine a computer with no user, just root, and an empty /home > directory. You plug in your USB disk and, automatically, your disk is > mounted under /home /and you become a user of this laptop/ - no need > to have root priviledge an

[DNG] Solved Re: Upgrade lockedup-How To fix

2019-08-07 Thread terryc
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 17:13:50 +1000 "Ralph Ronnquist \(rrq\) via Dng" wrote: ...snip.. > > Maybe there's a spurious back-quote in /etc/default/grub ? Bingo. Thanks all who replied. The successive posts jogged my brain to look again and the May-2019 date reminded me that I had actually change

Re: [DNG] Upgrade lockedup-How To fix

2019-08-07 Thread terryc
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 17:13:50 +1000 "Ralph Ronnquist \(rrq\) via Dng" wrote: > terryc wrote on 7/8/19 4:39 pm: > > In the midst of removing a package that frequently crashes* and > > attempting a general package update/upgrade, somehow the package > > upgr

[DNG] Upgrade lockedup-How To fix

2019-08-06 Thread terryc
In the midst of removing a package that frequently crashes* and attempting a general package update/upgrade, somehow the package upgrade system has borked something. Specifically it seems to have come about following a sudo apt autoremove where a depreciated image was listed to go. Now I am at

Re: [DNG] reinstalling GRUB2 - Verion

2019-07-24 Thread terryc
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:45:03 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > I've no idea what's going on. I was told to use the grub2-install > command, but on my system (Ascii) there is only > /usr/sbin/grub-install. It seems my grub-install command can be run > by user, but not by root becasue root has no path to

Re: [DNG] I do not work menu options, how to solve this problem?

2019-05-21 Thread terryc
On Tue, 21 May 2019 14:42:06 -0400 "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote: > system - administration - users and groups - advanced settings > it does not work. Does not do anything when pressing the button What are you trying to do? Which VM/desktop are you running. Under xfce4 there is no system -> adm

Re: [DNG] Problem doing apt-get update- Still there.

2019-05-05 Thread terryc
On Sun, 5 May 2019 20:21:47 -0300 Gastón via Dng wrote: > Hello, few weeks ago I had these errors, I asked on the IRC channel > and it turned out that it was some kind of problem of synchronization > of the server to which I was redirected deb.devuan.org. > > If you try to update again, still h

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid-backend debugged.

2019-03-07 Thread terryc
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 22:05:39 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 07/03/19 at 21:22, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > Alessandro Selli wrote on 8/3/19 6:49 am: > >>   Next improvement would be using current commands (ip and iw) in > >> place of the obsolete and deprecated ones, i.e. ifconfig and

Re: [DNG] xdm broken?

2019-02-15 Thread terryc
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 07:39:25 +1100 Ozi Traveller via Dng wrote: > Hi > > I have installed xdm, and it starts when I boot up, but doesn't > start xorg when I login. > > Has anyone got this working? I would be interested to know how if > anyone has. Yep and which X did you install? xdm is just

Re: [DNG] 2nd User cannot create icons/launcher-XFCE

2019-02-12 Thread terryc
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 06:37:29 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 10:36:02AM +1100, terryc wrote: > > I've just assembled a new machine and intalled Devuan Ascii > > from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso with update and upgrade from > > pkgmanager. > &g

[DNG] Solved.Re: 2nd User cannot create icons/launcher-XFCE

2019-01-26 Thread terryc
Turn out to be very old WM configuration files from the ancient history of this "host". When removed and rebooted the problem went away. Whilst the system was a new installation, the inherited user files contained historial data. On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 10:36:02 +1100 terryc wrote: &

[DNG] 2nd User cannot create icons/launcher-XFCE

2019-01-25 Thread terryc
I've just assembled a new machine and intalled Devuan Ascii from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso with update and upgrade from pkgmanager. The desktop is XFCE4 and the first installation user can create desktop icons/launchers and have then run/start, but the added second user can not achieve si

[DNG] Rudeness can be productive. Re: /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

2018-11-22 Thread terryc
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 16:05:37 -0600 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-11-22 14:55, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 22/11/18 at 16:25, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:25, Alessandro Selli a écrit : > >>> chown -R a-w /bin > >>> chown -R a-w /sbin > >>> chown -R a-w /lib > >> > >>   

[DNG] Is Didier another troll? Re: /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

2018-11-22 Thread terryc
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 18:32:53 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 22/11/2018 à 17:02, KatolaZ a écrit : > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 04:28:55PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 22/11/2018 à 13:42, terryc a écrit : > >>> IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that w

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

2018-11-22 Thread terryc
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:10:20 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: But > the part of the OS (which is managed by dpkg) better stays on one > single partition. IME, absolutely nothing in real life works that way. Do you dump all your clothes into one big bin or store them by say type? Do you store all your h

Re: [DNG] static /dev: was /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

2018-11-19 Thread terryc
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:51:39 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 12:29:33 +0100 (CET) > k...@aspodata.se wrote: . > > I use a classic static /dev, and the only problem I have seen is > > with usb devices (apart from keyboards and mice i.e.). > > I might want to follow

[DNG] Online DNS & Bind Refeences.

2018-11-06 Thread terryc
1. What do people recommend as online sources for Bind configuration these days. 2. what programs do you recommend for checking the configuration files. LS; My antique hardware that was the nameserver and web for the LAN suffered a motherboard failure and I need to configure a replacement namese

Re: [DNG] systemd in sane-backends

2018-11-03 Thread terryc
On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:28:44 +0100 aitor wrote: > Hi all, > > libsystemd-dev is present in the packaging of sane-backends in both > jessie and ascii. As far as i know, the systemd utility in sane is > useful only in the case of network printers. Am i wrong? I thought SANE was net worked scanne

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-21 Thread terryc
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 13:07:19 +0200 Miroslav Skoric wrote: > On 10/17/2018 03:18 PM, terryc wrote: I'm going to start off by saying I'm unable to help you with your quest. In fact, my answers are basically like the local who is asked by a tourist "How do you get to blah-b

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-17 Thread terryc
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:19:33 +0200 Miroslav Skoric wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently installed Devuan Jessie on a computer for presentations > via large TV. And that machine is also directly wired in a small LAN > to another box that runs some old Ubuntu (probably 12.04 or so, it is > also just to

Re: [DNG] OT: firefox, privacy etc.

2018-09-05 Thread terryc
On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 03:34:27 +0200 (CEST) wrote: > how an i possibly get local storage of login information to work > again in firefox? A history of what changes you made/have occurred might give people a clue to give you information that is a bit more useful than change your hair part. In my cas

Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII

2018-09-01 Thread terryc
On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:58:58 +0100 Mark Hindley wrote: > Hello, > > I have an old and venerable headless system that runs Debian Wheezy. > Now Wheezy is EOL I need to upgrade without pulling in systemd and > dbus. Devuan is the obvious choice. > > I can't find any specific instructions or repor

Re: [DNG] rsync variant

2018-08-26 Thread terryc
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:39:29 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > > And if you want to see the differences, you may be interested in > > rdiff. Haven't used it myself but sound (and looks) like it fits > > your bill. > > That's just what I thought... but the man page I have for rdiff says > nothing ab

Re: [DNG] [OT] Cannot install wine32 on ASCII.

2018-08-18 Thread terryc
On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:12:54 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Maybe, apt-cache depends can shed some light. It seems wine32 depends > on libwine:i386 and the latter breaks wine32. There is a fix-missing on one of apt/apt-get/aptitude/? , I forget which. It MAY fix stuff, but it could just break st

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:17:07 +0200 arne wrote: > > I think Devuan devs have more important things to do that looking > > for a pin in a haystack. > > > > > Alessandro > > I totally agree. > > Hard to find that pin. Errr, try opening your eyes. Since the floppies came out, there have bee

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:59:11 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > KatolaZ, I came looking for help. Reading a linux kernel requires > knowledge of software engineering, I don't have that knowledge or > experience, even if I open kernel source I would have no idea what I > was looking at. I just want to

[DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:34 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > "Since the beginning of the git era (the 2.6.11 release in 2005), a > total of 15,637 developers have contributed to the Linux kernel; > those developers worked for a minimum of 1,513 companies." > > And this lists only those develop

Re: [DNG] probably SOLVED: is there a problem with package signing?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:45:36 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > As far as I know, I am now using only devun repositories. I was of > course using Debian repositories on this system before I upgraded to > Devuan. > > Yesterday I noticed some extraneous filed in etc/apt: > > sources.list.etch64 > sou

[DNG] Woops, apologies all roudns Re: He's Baaaack! Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:50:55 +0100 (BST) Jim Jackson wrote: > Dear Terry, > > Oh dear, just because I have the same initials and first name :-( > It really is embarrasing. Woops, part of brain brain did twigg it was just Jim, but rest of it didn't follow to further check. My apologies for not c

Re: [DNG] [BACK ON LIST] [OFFLIST] Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:49:44 +0100 Rowland Penny wrote: > Yes, it would be nice, but in the meantime, I think 'Jimmy' should > have his posts moderated. AOL!, which means +1 for the kiddies who don't know the historical reference. I agree entirely with Rowland's post. Even down the pub(bar) with

[DNG] He's Baaaack! Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:06:39 +0100 (BST) Jim Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > What you can do is look for malware, do some investigative > > research, just educate yourself, what I know is out there for all > > to read.

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:34:44 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 09:30:48PM +1000, terryc wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:09:14 -0700 > > Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > > There's a big difference, I'm not the one trying to stop people >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:09:14 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > There's a big difference, I'm not the one trying to stop people from > taking a interest an their distros security and you are. No more > reply's to you unless you show a interest in helping find malware in > this distro. 1: I already

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:02:23 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> > >> > >> Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check > >> your kernel. Also how you res

[DNG] Troll alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:53:01 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > You've been showing contempt and disrespect for me since my first > post in this group, never helpful. No, I'm the guy that is doing that. Every one else is being polite. > Why do you want to stand in the > way of people in this group lo

[DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:42:40 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your > kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Well how about shouting: YOU ARE A TROLL! Or is you excuse for your stream of crap a total inability to hav

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-08 Thread terryc
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:52:48 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be > opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. I'll admit it has become complicated and it is now a while since I've compiled my own kernel from sources,

[DNG] Plasyonlinux; is anyone successfully using it?

2018-07-07 Thread terryc
As per subject, is anyone sucessfully using PlayOnLinux? My POl installation on Debian wheezy/stretch was stuffed due to graphics related problems and I was only able to fix some basic stuff prior to upgrading to Devuan-Ascii. Now I'd like to get it working again and it would motivate if other pe

[DNG] Static Net failure, wsaRe: NFS failure New ascii to upgraded ascii.

2018-07-05 Thread terryc
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 11:23:49 +0100 ael wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:08:59PM +1000, terryc wrote: > > FWIW, the migration borked the static networking and shoved it over > > to dhcp. > > That's horrible :-) Caught me by surprise as due to mail server secu

Re: [DNG] NFS failure New ascii to upgraded ascii.

2018-07-05 Thread terryc
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 08:29:40 +0100 Rowland Penny wrote: > From what has been posted, is the NFS server actually running ? If > >it > is, is it possibly hanging ? Is a firewall or selinux or apparmor in > the way ? Argh, solved, 101. Another thing the migration to Ascii borked. I'll have to chec

[DNG] NFS failure New ascii to upgraded ascii.

2018-07-04 Thread terryc
I have a newish system that had devuan-Jessie installed and then recently upgrade to Devuan-Ascii. It has been acting as a NFS reliabnle from its installation some months ago. The NFS server was a Debian-stretch system that has just been upgraded to Devuan-Ascii. For some reason, the client now e

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-20 Thread terryc
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:16:28 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > There was a discussion of whether to retain 32 bit, and that brought > up another question in my mind: When will we have 128 bit computing? Give off. Its taken 40 years for me to be finally able to buy a 64bit computer. I want to be able to

[DNG] OT Re: Used *and* free hardware

2018-03-18 Thread terryc
On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:07:07 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 03/19/2018 12:24 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering > > iron and cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺ > Or a solder braid :0 > > I fixed a screen with bad caps by re

[DNG] OT Re: Used *and* free hardware

2018-03-18 Thread terryc
On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 00:20:58 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:23:15 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: > > I just got an assortment of electrolytics from amazon for > > around $15, 300 pieces! > > How do you solder those puppies onto a multilayer board? How do you > get the old one of

[DNG] OT Re: Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

2018-03-18 Thread terryc
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:23:15 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use > > >

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

2018-03-16 Thread terryc
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use them > with their original software to do what they did so well back in the > day. Drive em around on Sunday afternoon and show them off, but leave > the real computers to comput

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-14 Thread terryc
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:25:44 -0400 Menelaos Maglis wrote: > > I use hplip and yes dbus is installed. > > > I run a very minimal ascii/ceres system and following the trail of > things dependent on dbus - well, unless somebody knows better it looks > like we are stuck with it. > > I realize t

Re: [DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

2018-03-14 Thread terryc
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:37:40 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > Are you saying they are not working? For me on the East Coast of Australia, the answer was yes. My post was to check that at least some one was sharing it via torrent-check. Since I was able to directly download CD1, I've been able t

[DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

2018-03-14 Thread terryc
Is anyone actually seeding any torrent for Devuan? When the devuan-jessie-beta came out, I attempted to obtain it via torrent, but it never arrived. Similar situation the other day when, having spare hardware to finally set up a devuan beastie, attempting to obtain the devuan-jessie torrents has

[DNG] How do I install Devuan NOW

2016-07-28 Thread terryc
After looking before and following the instructions there, I've upgraded Debian wheezy to Debian Jessie and apparently that isn't how you do it now. So what am I supposed to do now? I'm looking for a set of migration steps that don't involve blowing stuff away and loading an iso. On a side questi

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