Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-11-05 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com. On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:51:47 - you wrote: > Hopefully I will be starting a wiki for > all this info and more to go into in the near future, but for now I > want to just put it out there for people trying to upgrade their > current system

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-21 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Didier. On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 19:01:10 +0200 you wrote: Not Linuxisms, GNUisms. Nano (and Emacs) belongs to GNU, and you know it: GNU's Not Unix! Do not forget we are talking of GNU/Linux. Trying to be POSIX-compliant, sure, but GNU nevertheless... a dilemma :-) Well.

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-21 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Hendrik. On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:14:06 -0400 you wrote: If you know which key it is. -- One key for cope/move the text! One key for: point the place of insertion, saving file ! -- Again, what can be easier?! If you know which key it is. Is there an

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-21 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Hendrik. On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:18:31 -0400 you wrote: Pardon, but funny! :o) Funny, yes, but very true. I don't think they looked at keyboard distance between the various commands when they named them. You can make a symlink to mc w/ whatsoever name you would.

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

2015-07-20 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Franco. On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 04:41:13 +0200 you wrote: What do you think about moving this way? Good. Or base install + by tasks/virtual packages (selectable at the install stage). Regards, Sthu. ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-19 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Hendrik. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:48:33 -0400 you wrote: My entire problem with mc is that it's too easy to type mc when I mean mv and instead of moving my file it gets me into a strange mode I have to figure out how to get out of. Pardon, but funny! :o) Regards, Sthu.

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-19 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Klaus. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:02:55 +0100 you wrote: Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is not focusing on beginners and even devuan is focusing on veteran unix admins so vi(m) would be the only proper choice. :-D I do not agree. I also

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-19 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Didier. On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 00:41:18 +0200 you wrote: If the gurus use vim and dislike nano, since they are gurus, they can change the default themselves and leave the ordinary people with a limited but usable editor. I think the reason is in the small images, that

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-19 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, John. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:34:57 +0200 you wrote: Gets my vote - lost without mc and the first thing I always install Me too. As we suppose Devuan to be for at least advanced users, many of whom may, as the first stage of install process, simply install the base of the

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-19 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Micky. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200 you wrote: I thing mc is useless: Real men don't eat quique. Do not know what is quique, and i'm seems to me, not a real men, but the MC and it mceditor -- are a great software -- not only providing a must functionality on any

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-16 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Micky. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:17:01 +0200 you wrote: I completely agree with Franco. On every unix the default editor is vi, so it must be in devuan, if somebody doesn't like it, he can use apt-get to install his favorite editor. Let's look at another point of view:

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Ста Деюс
Good time of the day, Franco. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 02:59:51 +0200 you wrote: More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would to propose some other default changes in the standard install: nano -

Re: [DNG] bummer

2015-07-10 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Hendrik. Спасибо за ответ, Mon, 6 Jul 2015 17:31:26 -0400, вы писали: I'm running wheezy on my server. The only package I have that contain 'systemd' in their names are: libystemd-login0 I don't find it sneaking other systemd things onto my system when I do the

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-05 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Gregory. Спасибо за ответ, Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:50:54 -0700, вы писали: I did actually, but in another thread which you might have missed. Probably. Then, excuse me for the noise. But you may know how it happens: you just see something that you would help with. -- Then you

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-05 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Karl. Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 5 Jul 2015 03:21:28 +0200 (CEST), вы писали: You can always (at least with older x-servers) start mult. x-servers, one per virtual terminal (and/or physical graphics card): 3334 tty9 Ss+ 166:17 /usr/bin/X :9 -layout 1600 vt9

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-04 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Hendrik. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:05:40 -0400, вы писали: There's ssh -X which can be directed at localhost. In this case, how will it look like: first user logins through non-GNOME/KDE DE, then, from terminal logins as another user? С уважением, Ста.

Re: [DNG] Bad future is coming

2015-07-04 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Евгений. В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:35:07 +, вы писали: This is something like philosophical post about our future in poettering universe. Working as system administrator, I am thinking about it, because of more and more Linux distributives switching to

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-04 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Gregory. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:08:50 -0700, вы писали: Believe me, I would if I could. However, unless I'm missing something, this isn't as simple as you suggest: 1. As far as I know, gnome and xfce are the only two GUI environments which have a screen

Re: [DNG] On DEs (Was: Sound, My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Klaus. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:13:27 +0100, вы писали: I am not Gregory, but This two DEs are on my blacklist at all. Being a fvwm user for more than 20 years now and still happy with it. :-D Some of /my/ reasons for not choosing KDE or GNOME - - Many

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Eugene. Во Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 +, вы писали: I like the LXDE/Openbox combo. When I want a start button and taskbar, I use LXDE with Openbox underneath, so I get that desktop environment feel but have Openbox hotkeys available. When I'm on my daily driver

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Jonathan. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:43:18 -0400, вы писали: Open Audacity and use the ALSA driver. Now open IceWeasel or whichever browser you typically use. Bring up an HTML5 video tutorial for Audacity from Youtube or another such video streaming site.

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:18:17 +0630 Ста Деюс пишет: Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions -- i.e. makes it possible to login through it while another session is running? Ah! Missed one word making whole the message vain. The question was: Do you *know* of any *DE

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Gregory. Спасибо за ответ, Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:21:15 -0700, вы писали: There is more where that came from. The only reason I tolerate it is because removing pulseaudio also removes gnome-core among others. I'm all for choice, and believe that those who want pulse in

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:47:55 +0100 Klaus Ethgen klaus+d...@ethgen.ch пишет: What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, has always cracking sound and kernel panics. It lags the ability to play multiple

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Robert. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800, вы писали: I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doesn't by default automount plugin USB devices. If that could be tweaked, IceWM would be my preferred

Re: [Dng] donations by mail?

2015-03-14 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Rob. Спасибо за ответ, Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:19:09 +0100, вы писали: How about paypal? Oh NO! No deal w/ the criminal groups! С уважением, Ста. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-05 Thread Ста Деюс
В Wed, 04 Mar 2015 21:13:43 +0100 x...@openmailbox.org пишет: I'm not a professional artist, but maybe it's the only thing that I can collaborate. Please, find attach a link with two images with sketches for your consideration. There are a logo idea and some marketing cartoons (similar to

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-03-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:25:59 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com пишет: It could be the One Ring, or it could be The Matrix. I think penguins walking out of jail gives a similar idea, while using a more universal symbol. Perhaps I should try my hand at photo-shopping, err.. gimping it. I suggest

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XI

2015-03-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:40 -0500 Gravis rin...@adaptivetime.com пишет: this coming from the person that has the initials for shut the hell up as their signature. WOW! 8oO Yet, Sthu. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XI

2015-03-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:05:49 -0300 hellekin helle...@dyne.org пишет: impressive, or very effective. As a non-native English speaker as well, it didn't occur to me that it was impolite to do so, and apparently the people who worked on this issue were not shocked either. As was mentioned

Re: [Dng] Circumvention Tech Festival

2015-03-02 Thread Ста Деюс
В Sun, 1 Mar 2015 14:37:55 -0430 Richard richard.h...@gmail.com пишет: Can Devuan be a security-aware, privacy-aware distro? Er Envite It may be. Time will tell. No one knows yet. Security should be kept in mind always - otherwise who will use it? - Just for offline machines - i guess

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XI

2015-03-02 Thread Ста Деюс
В Sun, 1 Mar 2015 21:19:04 + Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com пишет: Over here, those who are more particular about such things consider ass to be a somewhat vulgar term when referring to the posterior rather than a male donkey (and kick ass refers to the aforesaid pportion of the anatomy).

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:19:04 + KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org пишет: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс sthu.d...@openmailbox.org wrote: But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Thu, 26 Feb 2015 07:25:16 + KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org пишет: I personally think that the essence of that nice post is in the very last quote: Those who don't understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. I've another story, same way: Whenever people did invent good (here

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:28:41 + Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org пишет: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/blob/devuan-alpha/graphic s/init-freedom/if.png I'd prefer any logo that does not use english initials or play on words. Awesome! As it is the planet-wide

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XI

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:39:10 + Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org пишет: I do not find it swear nor violent. I find way more violent to request us (not me, DWN is made by a growig group of people) to stop using words that are not swear just because they incomodate a single person, and that

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:15:24 +0100 Anthony Scemama scem...@gmx.com пишет: I found this image on the web: http://tux.crystalxp.net/png/kros753-kiss-the-demon-2286.png ​ It's a good mix between KISS and Linux! If you like it, I can ask the guys from CrystalXP.net if it can be used for

Re: [Dng] Easy forkability

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:56:28 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com пишет: Well the answer is simple: if such an unlikely invasion would happen, we will always have the opportunity to fork Devuan, for the good of its users :) This suggests that one of the goals of Devuan should be

Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists

2015-02-24 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Renaud. Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:07:23 -0300, вы писали: Usspookes Lovesystemd usspookslovesyste...@muchomail.com wrote: FUCK YOU Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites... Just filter out the non-human! С уважением, Ста.

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Martijn. Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:34:59 +0200, вы писали: I (my company) looks after a lot of servers, and we are *always* looking for ways to make things go better, faster, and stronger :) automation is a *huge* part of what we do, as is security. Systemd

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Didier. Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:31:33 +0100, вы писали: I think it is fine that T.J.Duchene gives his opinion, although I disagree with him. I'm very optimistic about Systemd-free Linux, so optimistic that I think Devuan is simply preparing the

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about Recommends. In most of the cases a package will work fine 99.99% of the times even if you don't have the Recommends installed (as in the