Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 7:01 AM wrote: > Do you have some pointers to thoose experimental operating systems > so I can get a taste of what you are talking about ? This goes way back. Mach did lightweight messaging and more (and survives in MacOS, I think), Plan 9 did the graphics API == window

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

In > my opinion, > > S6 plus its service manager offers more than OpenRC, and IMHO it's > easier to > > configure/manage. > > > > If and when systemd falls, we need to be ready, so we can get the right > init system, > > instead yet another corporate sponsored Rube Goldberg Machine. > > > > SteveT > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] strange effect on overwrite

; note: i was analysing a performace issue for mysql and i am > >>> not sure if that problems matters outside tests. > >>> > >>> re > >>> rp > >>> > >>> ______

Re: [DNG] Piping is an easy way to do multithreading: was mouse driver question

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 3:43 PM Steve Litt wrote: > each process in the pipeline will get its own processor core (or nowadays, > thread). They are the old-fashioned processes. Generally much heavier-weight than threads, but it doesn't matter for this application. If there are enough CPUs or

Re: [DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap

in a distribution. Dracut is intended to do without these hardcoded things. IMO if they are anywhere, they belong in the GRUB command line. Thanks Bruce On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:12 PM Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 17:28:39 -0800 > Bruce Perens wrote: >

Re: [DNG] kernel-update: initramfs fails to find swap

ay.) > > > > Thanks again and libre Grüße, > > Florian > > > > PS: Also the reason for the (temporarily) not persistent block device > names is still absolutely unclear to me. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

Busybox is GNU. The fact that FSF doesn't own it is immaterial. I developed it for Debian GNU/Linux. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 11:07 AM onefang wrote: > On 2022-01-20 18:40:13, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12

Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland

han Pulseaudio and > seems ready for daily use. If you have a need for something that provides > functionality above pure ALSA give it a go. > _______ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [DNG] Nasty Linux systemd security bug revealed

If you want this, it's easy enough to allocate your own stack, and write functions that allocate from it and release the allocation. If you were writing in C++, you could make releasing the allocation automatic. I think this illustrates why the kernel developers are taking Rust seriously. On

[DNG] On Non-Judicial Punishment of Individuals

On Non-Judicial Punishment of Individuals Including Richard Stallman. https://perens.com/2021/04/04/on-non-judicical-punishment-of-individuals/ -- Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan wallpaper licensing?

formative interactions we've had with you over the years . . . > > golinux > > On 2021-01-27 14:43, Bruce Perens wrote: > > CC ND and CC BY NC ND would have to go in the non-free section. > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 11:30 AM wrote: > > > >> On 2021-01

Re: [DNG] Devuan wallpaper licensing?

gt; whichever license that suits you. In the meantime, how about a > show-and-tell? :D > > golinux > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens - CEO a

Re: [DNG] [FLASH] THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS HAS FALLEN

t; https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility

_____ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

the overall health of the drive is. On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 4:12 PM wrote: > On 2020-08-29 17:15, Bruce Perens via Dng wrote: > > Copy the block partition (not the mounted files) to a same size or > > larger > > blank block partition using ddrescue or gddrescue. Try to mount t

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

Copy the block partition (not the mounted files) to a same size or larger blank block partition using ddrescue or gddrescue. Try to mount that read only and copy the files off. If it doesn't work, try to restore the superblock using one of the tutorials online. On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:52 PM

Re: [DNG] What to do with an inode?

ly via > inode for a very good reason: > it would be a way to slip through the directory permissions as you > traverse the full pathname's hierarchy > tree upstream to the given file. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > _______ > Dng mailing l

Re: [DNG] fifth freedom

This isn't actually a right that you can grant yourself regarding other people's copyrighted works. You can only waive the license terms regarding software for which you hold the entire copyright. And in that case, you don't have to say it in the license because it is the legal default. On Wed,

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

Steve has a perfect right to do this if he wants. However I don't believe it's going to be effective, since red hat will continue to operate independently, so it has the same management as before. I think the most instructive thing I've seen so far is the fact that SpaceX does not use it in their

Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source

gt; > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens - Partner, OSS.Capital. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Cease battling each other in e-mail (was: Of confidence and support and the future of Devuan.)

Jaromil, it really is time for you to stop. It is time for YOU to stop. It is TIME for you to stop. On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:24 PM Jaromil wrote: > > dear Rick, > > I wholeheartedly agree with you and others here that this > communication shouldn't have been public, I also consider this a >

Re: [DNG] Please don't fall fo Mikee USA's bait

Thank you for moderating. I just report everything I receive from him as spam. Thanks Bruce On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 7:15 PM wrote: > > Hi all, > > Heads up! > > MikeeUSA is trying again but his posts are being held in moderation. So > now he is posting to dng and copying to individual

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

Because you're not necessarily installing the same API. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

Eric has never been the developer of a distribution, so there will be things he doesn't understand. I am all for having as many users as possible. I understand the problem of proprietary firmware and hope that this is not a significant blocker for most people, especially since most distribution

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

I think this discussion is now so astronomically far from the purpose of DNG that it serves no further purpose. Perhaps moderation is called for? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

I'm that Social Justice Warrior that you don't like. And if you are using Devuan or Debian, if you've gotten a ham radio license since 2007, or if you're doing various Open Source things you have already benefited from things I've done in the name of social justice. So would you please be more

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

unt one for decades. For > decades, people have taken offence or insult from time to time. For > decades, this has worked well! Let's not change what isn't really broken > (except in the eyes of a small number of over-sensitive, easily hurt > souls). Yes, let's all be *reasonable* with

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

Sorry. I would not have replied if I understood who that was. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:10 PM Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:33:58 + > observerofaffa...@redchan.it wrote: > > > The CoC will lead only to infighting amongst the contributors, with > > this new weapon wielded firmly

Re: [DNG] Debian blocks latest Intel microcode update

depend on the hardware. > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business > http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailingl

[DNG] Intel fixes new microcode license

The new license is here: https://t.co/x5JByIv3j9 -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative

Re: [DNG] U2F on Devuan

PAM to use it for login and screen lock, and SSH logins. On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > I am running the xfce desktop on ASCII. Has anyone gotten U2F keys working > with Firefox? I installed pamu2fcfg and > libpam-u2f,and/etc/udev/rules.d/70-u2f.rules > from Yub

[DNG] U2F on Devuan

I am running the xfce desktop on ASCII. Has anyone gotten U2F keys working with Firefox? I installed pamu2fcfg and libpam-u2f,and/etc/udev/rules.d/70-u2f.rules from Yubico's github. The kernel sees the key, but it doesn't get to the browser. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Op

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I put Devuan > > Which version? > ASCII > > > on my usual travel laptop > > Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so,

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

gust 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I put Devuan > > Which version? > > > on my usual travel laptop > > Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > > > a Panasonic FZ-G1 > > What's the sound chip for one of t

[DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

supposed to give a speech, so why would anyone put systemd on it :-) Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound interface, and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

__ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Sour

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 > > > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > > > > He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his > > > > situation. > > > > > > How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How >

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his situation. On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 5:46 PM Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 14:11:32 -0700 > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I offered to introduce him to some lawyers. I've certainly made good use >

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

this case, being Slackware. At Dyne.org we will also > consider a donation. Thanks to VUAs for bringing this to my attention. > > in solidarity, > > ciao > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.

Re: [DNG] Typing lags in Firefox 52.7.3 while commenting on youtube.

az -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - Standards committee chair, license review committee member, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] I hope one *can* use a CDROM?

In the spirit of Devuan's going back to the old, good way of doing things, you may only use phonograph records. On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 08:06:10PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I hope fixing this doesn't disable the

Re: [DNG] PostScript vs PCL

Postscript's imaging model is still the archetype, I look in the Red Book or its descendents whenever I have to code 2-D imaging. They even explain the matrix well. If you want something that *isn't* an interpretive language, real PostScript interpreters also will print directly from PDF. The

Re: [DNG] Whitelisting?

GNU Mailman should be able to exclude unapproved subscribers from posting. The spams should be removed from the archive to keep them from being used to defame us. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018, 16:00 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:24:51 +0100, Antony wrote in message >

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdoch

Ian's personal life was at times at great odds with what we know of Ian as a public person. This became known to me while Ian was running Progeny Linux Systems. I hired Ian for that position, helped to arrange the funding for that company, and was its chairman of the board. I would rather

Re: [DNG] Modify scheduling for AMD Bulldozer/Piledriver module efficiency

Surely you can connect shell scripts to icons. On Sun, Feb 18, 2018, 14:03 taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote: > On 02/17/2018 09:37 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > See http://www.glennklockwood.com/hpc-howtos/process-affinity.html > I have previously used taskset and a

Re: [DNG] Modify scheduling for AMD Bulldozer/Piledriver module efficiency

See http://www.glennklockwood.com/hpc-howtos/process-affinity.html On Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 18:18 taii...@gmx.com wrote: > I want to change the thread scheduler to be aware of AMD > Bulldozer/Piledriver modules. > > Each module has 2 cores, but currently for instance two tasks are

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

If the program *has *a form that is preferred for modification and is not distributed in that form, it is a GPL violation, but this only has meaning if you can get a copyright holder to prosecute it. You can enunciate why the program does not fit the Free Software ethos. But it fits the letter of

Re: [DNG] GNU/Linux security and grsecurity, WAS: upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

I suppose I am one of the "ungracious" ones, since I am currently fighting a lawsuit that Grsecurity filed against me for criticizing their GPL compliance. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 10:30 zap wrote: > > > On 09/19/2017 10:47 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > ( citation manually

Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept

The person posting as "nisus" is "MikeyUSA", who is mostly known for way-over-the-top misogyny and trolling and is banned from Debian lists, etc. Obviously I have the right to choose who I will correspond with, and chose to block him for wasting my time before I was informed who he actually was.

[DNG] Grsecurity Stable Patch Access Agreement

The text of Grsecurity's agreement is here . Really bald-faced restriction of your GPL rights in writing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

The entire paragraph is even more damning: And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why. On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > I no longer feel like I can >

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

Geez. I had a Debian system go belly-up last night because /var got messed up. No journal, so you can't boot out of emergency mode. Can't mount a damned USB stick in emergency mode because udev isn't running. Got to boot a rescue disk to get anything done. We really have gone wrong...

Re: [DNG] A problem with a license

Great work, thanks! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] A problem with a license

Do you want to talk with him, or should I? It should be possible to convince him to change the license, so that we can go on with the package. Thanks Bruce On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Ivan J. wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jul 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > > > DR D1Rs, > > > >

Re: [DNG] on the supposed grsec gpl violation

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Jaromil wrote: > I first thought grsec was not in GPL violation, but then in your last > 3 mails and this one you made the point very clear and I'm more than > half-way convinced (yet my opinion is of little value here, IANAL nor > a scholar in

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Hi Miroslav, I am well aware that Google is a big company, and like all big companies they can function in an unethical manner. There are no exceptions. I catch SpaceX in lies and omissions all of the time even though I obviously admire what they are doing with rockets. I worked for their

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Security Inc., and thus to copyright infringement of the Linux Kernel by that entity. In addition, the GPL is breached as a contract from the copyright holders of the Linux software to which Open Source Security Inc. and the customer are both joined. On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Perens <

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

The specific text breached is "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein." On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Bruce Perens <br...@perens.com> wrote: > My legal counsel says it's a direct breach of the license, no

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

My legal counsel says it's a direct breach of the license, not of business law. By the way, the next issue of Berkeley Technology Law Journal has this article which I co-authored with a law

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

no trouble connecting them for a judge and showing how they were tantamount to an added term under section 6. On Sat, Jul 1, 2017, 13:49 Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 at 16:50:28 -0700 > Bruce Perens <br...@perens.com> wrote: > >

Re: [DNG] WARNING! DO NOT APT-GET UPDATE/UPGRADE ON ASCII

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:40 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 03:59:05PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> As far as I can tell at the moment, they might even require systemd. For those of you requiring ritual purification, I recommend this St. Ignutious video.

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Well, it's interesting. I notice you just summarily declare that the > patchsets cannot be fair use, without even mentioning the applicable > four-factor conceptual test framework -- your right, of course, if you >

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Actually, I have this from RMS. Nothing from Eben: On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > I am not trying to study the GRsecurity case because (0) it's > complicated, and it would take a lot of time to think about, (1) the > FSF has no say in the matter (it

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Go ahead and ask them. I think you'll be surprised. On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com): > > > Actually, I'm writing a recommendation that customers stay away from > > grsecurity because they c

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

I did publish a warning about Grsecurity, here . On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > >

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

t;r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com): > > > It doesn't, unless you have understanding customers who just don't > > redistribute because they want you to stay in business. But grsecurity > > doesn't work that way, it is alleged. It is allege

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult < enrico.weig...@gr13.net> wrote: > > By selling, I mean, you'll first have to pay before you get the code. > But anybody republish it at will (as long as complying to GPL), so > how can that business model work ? It doesn't,

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM, para...@dyne.org wrote: > > There is very little ground to actually make up a court case. Nobody has > been blocked yet, and nobody has publicly (re)distributed the non-public > patches. Because grsecurity.net's stated policy (which could also

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

lem with seeing this as a deliberate contract violation. Thanks Bruce On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:02 PM, para...@dyne.org <para...@dyne.org> wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Bruce Perens wrote: > > >> You are allowed to redistribute the patch legally, but you shall >

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

ree (gratis). > > You are allowed to redistribute the patch legally, but you shall simply > lose access to future patches. One could call it blackmail, another > would call it a business move. > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Bruce Perens wrote: > > >The allegation i

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

I don't have a list. If you'd like to help with software patents, that would be nice, as none of the organizations that purportedly support Linux do. Linux Foundation is an infringer's club. Open Invention Network protects patents from Linux, not the other way around. On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

ce On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com): > > > I've been getting credible reports that grsecurity.net is infringing > the > > kernel by preventing customers from redistributing the GPL cod

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

I've been getting credible reports that grsecurity.net is infringing the kernel by preventing customers from redistributing the GPL code for their patch. What is it we want Google to do? They usually listen when I ask... Thanks Bruce On Tue, Jun 27, 2017, 09:51 Rick Moen

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:30:39 -0700 > Bruce Perens <br...@perens.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> > > wrote: > > > > The point is that that proposed libsystemd0 would *not*

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

I really dare any "cabal" to change both the specs and the *clients *in a way I can't keep up with. There are enough clients. No real programmer would worry about something like this. This is getting silly. On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon,

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

017-06-21 02:02, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch, 21. Juni 2017 schrieb Bruce Perens: >> >>> > I agree, that 90% of the people are hapy with limited choice. But as >>> you >>> already said, that field is served by apple and M$. No > need f

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

> If "we" want increase the number of outsiders to be part of the ecosystem, then do it on our terms :-) You can't do it *all *on your terms. Because nobody would come at all. But you can have what's important to you. Apple actually didn't win because it had a big marketing department and

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

> I will reiterate my earlier comment. For those who believe that Devuan > is somehow lacking without GNOME et. al., Debian is a short download > away. Debian is a dead end. It got too mired in anal-retentive process that reinforced its inward-facing nature. Devuan is the one distribution that

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Apple and Microsoft rather than have more people run Free Software, if it means you have to deal with those messy other people. This isn't healthy for Free Software. Maybe not even healthy for you. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Bruce Perens <br...@perens.com> wrote: > > I agree, that

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

and what we can do about that. Thanks Bruce On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:24 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 05:16:34AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Joachim Fahrner <j...@fahrner.name> > wrote: &

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > systemd is not not only an init system, it is expanding to a whole eco > system around the linux kernel, creating apis for everything you can think > of. Systemd started with the desire to communicate the desktop

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

out package dependencies seems fine to me, as well. No reason to hack systemd out of multiple things when you can do that. Thanks Bruce On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:07 PM, taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote: > On 06/17/2017 01:25 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > Can we b

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan is built to protect your choices, not to rule some of them out for political

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is sufficiently generic. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 17:34 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 00:53, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > libsystemd0

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

But it has the name libsystemd0! It should be called The Init Library That Must Not Be Named. :-) On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 15:53 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:53:13PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > > On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > >The

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Actually, I would be quite happy to have systemd on my Devuan system, as long as it wasn't acting as the init. Think of it as a virtual paperweight. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 14:53 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: > > > The presence of libsystemd0,

Re: [DNG] Newbies threaten our purity :-)

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > bash wasn't the original shell. I really did start on Version 6 Unix. I think Version 7 was out by then, but the NYIT Graphics Lab didn't ever switch their PDP-11s to it. We did have the Ken Thompson shell. We

[DNG] Newbies threaten our purity :-)

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > I wrote: > > > Personally, I find that bash makes a fabulous file manager, along with > > its friends find, awk, sed, cut, etc. You young whipper snapper! Bash is for Stallmanite commies! The True Experienced Unix System

[DNG] devuan install experience

Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-19. The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to install any way to handle wifi, and *wicd* doesn't seem ready for prime time as a WiFi manager. Am I missing something? In particular, it's not as easy to

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

> Free Software means just that: You don't have to pay anything to use it. Bzzzt! Don't expect anyone to take you seriously. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

Devuan and Debian need not defer to the Open Source Initiative regarding what is Open Source, since the OSI is just using Debian's Free Software Guidelines. Debian's Free Software Guidelines are a definition of Free Software, not specifically Open Source. At the time they were created, RMS