Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
A lightweight browser would be welcome. Does anyone have a practical way to migrate bookmarks from Chrome or Chromium to such a lightweight browser? qupzilla can import chromium bookmarks. i'm sure other actively maintained browsers have the same capability. - Gravis On Sun, Mar 8, 2015

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
of eventually tweaking firefox or chrome (i said eventually) is worth it at this moment. why do you want to tweak browsers when you dont have to? - Gravis On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:11 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-06 Thread Gravis
to the clips as proof that google was evil. - Gravis On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Peter Olson pe...@peabo.com wrote: On March 5, 2015 at 11:26 PM Gravis rin...@adaptivetime.com wrote: the link you posted links to a clip from Al Jazeera that was taken down due to copyright infringement. you do

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
deemed untrustworthy. your other comments pointing to forum posts are nebulous in meaning. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:51 PM, miroslav.rov...@zg.ht.hr wrote: I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation. But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora why am i not surprised? -_- - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM, miroslav.rov...@zg.ht.hr wrote: On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: **Looks around** Full moon tonight? Well, I don't respond in kind. I

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
This way it would be much easier to count which release it is, and it would serve as an indication that devuan has already it's own personality, and isn't only a debian's copy. that is a poor rationale for breaking a logical naming scheme. --Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:44 AM, P. T

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
as a matter of fact, it is! http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php the good news is that friday the 13th wont coincide with a full moon for another 34 years. turns out, the last one was this past June. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Martijn Dekkers devuan-li

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
not know what those are supposed to signify. For now let's try and discuss just these two of my queries. make a new topic if you have a question. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:59 PM, miroslav.rov...@zg.ht.hr wrote: This is textual representation from links -dump https://lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
because when you lose it, you become just another irrational fool. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: On 04/03/15 04:49, Gravis wrote: from: http://php.net/manual/en/install.fpm.php FPM (FastCGI Process Manager) is an alternative PHP FastCGI implementation

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
–500 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meanings_of_minor_planet_names:_1%E2%80%93500 --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after minor planets, such as Ceres. It's a way cool idea. I

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
So, basically we will be using mithology for names. 1) spelling 2) basically, just series of letters but one might call that an oversimplification. they are the names of minor planets. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Ricardo Larrañaga ricardo.larran...@gmail.com wrote: So, basically

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
. check it out: http://www.qupzilla.com --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: Hello Everybody, I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the re-branded Mozilla products. As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
them to their devices. in the mean time, building our safe haven, devuan is a much better use of our time than fighting in their forums. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Tom Collins tomcollins...@mail.com wrote: I was reading the debian-user mailing list some time ago and one

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
. you wrote considering their ties to government agencies and the FBI is a government agency. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ed Ender skae...@excite.com wrote: Here is just one example of what I am referring to. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data I

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
, so expecting a software vendor to make a backported package for $MY_FAV_DISTRO is narcissistic at best. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, John Morris jmor...@beau.org wrote: On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 21:09 -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
in a nice window too. :) --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:19:06AM -0300, hellekin wrote: ## Editorial It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's

Re: [Dng] V^DNLC starts to be subsumed by systemd

2015-03-03 Thread Gravis
that? you sound like a lot like a troll. --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tom Collins tomcollins...@mail.com wrote: Yes, that is what I mean (Video Lan Client) It also phones home these days by default: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/downloading-and-installing-vlc-media-player

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-03 Thread Gravis
was that it was enabled because everybody is using systemd, so why not? and i expect it will happen even more in the future. --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: Hello Everybody, I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just now. I pinned

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-02 Thread Gravis
properly, garbage collection is more of a hassle than it's worth. --Gravis On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:26 AM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:59:40AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: [cut] Contrary to what most modern programmers would like to promote, I do

Re: [Dng] three important UI features

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
point. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:34:37 -0500 Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know. Given the entire NetworkManager's dependency on dbus, Dbus is just the mechanism other programs use

Re: [Dng] Can't hit Internet from Valentines

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
now we're tech support? remove -net nic -net user (works for me) --Gravis On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, I installed Valentines according to instructions, a few weeks ago. It worked, but I don't remember whether I tested getting

Re: [Dng] What if systemd infects the kernel?

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
marking your emails as spam since they are claimed to have been sent _by_ yahoo's server but yahoo's server is denying it. either you are not using yahoo's server to actually send your emails or the mailing list server is misconfigured. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Go Linux goli

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
upon. the LSB is a bad joke. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:49 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 18:11 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: With all respect, T.J., those are merely programming languages--shell, C and C++ are also hard to extract--but none

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-27 Thread Gravis
two things happen if there is any hope of the third happening. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:13 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 01:56:56PM +, Matthew Melton wrote: [cut] Just to support my point, Debian has a great logo, but this is what

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-27 Thread Gravis
trying to look different for the sake of looking different is stupid. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: And why penguins? I think in terms of non-conformity, the platypus

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Gravis
to cgroups than that but there is no reason another init manager can't perform the same task without becoming The Blob. --Gravis On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: [Sorry Gravis, I could find no shorter way to say this] On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:49:34 -0600

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-24 Thread Gravis
oh good. glad to read that our linux kernel friends are more sane than our distro friends. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-20 Thread Gravis
CDE (common desktop environment) Not familiar with that. Is it related to Inferno? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment now what is Inferno? --Gravis On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36:20AM -0500

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-20 Thread Gravis
their own. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Nevertheless, RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC (ONCRPC) before either GNOME or KDE existed. Heck, the earliest versions predate Linux. Given the combined functionality offered by PolicyKit

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Gravis
of the software they are distributing. tl;dr: Quality Control is very very very important. --Gravis On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:36 AM, hal vmli...@charter.net wrote: Hello all, and great work on the Alpha! I am tagging this off-topic as it doesn't really pertain to Devuan development except in a tangential

Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0

2015-02-18 Thread Gravis
Luke, I removed the edit because it was completely out of place. It was a list of links and you added a huge line of text to a single entry. without-systemd.org is not directly linked to Devuan, so dont hold it against the project. - Gravis On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson

Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

2015-02-17 Thread Gravis
A document that makes installation and use trivial, and makes it simple, is worth its weight in gold. the instructions dont actually weigh anything so saying it's worth it's weight in gold is saying they aren't worth anything. ;) --Gravis On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Steve Litt sl

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
. - Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Hi folks. Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is onboard, I mean the audience. 1) It is clear, by reading

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on ad hoc daemon? yes. however, there is currently a problem with flooding the system with hundreds of new users and groups. i'm investigating the possibility of using extended file attributes. --Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
virus bricks millions of cars so... the question is if should we wait for bad things to happen to lots of people or should we brick one jerk's limo. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
What exactly does IPC have to do with patching? the patching is done via IPC. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Vlad 2389...@gmail.com wrote: What exactly does IPC have to do with patching? On Feb 15, 2015 5:22 PM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: hi On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, jo

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Gravis
, it should be easy for derivatives and independent packagers to switch to the Devuan base. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:12 AM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: [cut] so. to clarify: is it the intent

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, Has modern Linux lost its way?

2015-02-12 Thread Gravis
install IceWM? but-but-but it's C++, so it's large and bloated, right? right??? ಠ_ಠ --Gravis On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:30:58AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:33:51 +0200 Martijn Dekkers devuan-li

Re: [Dng] Nice feature for vdev

2015-02-12 Thread Gravis
steve, vdev has nothing to do with the screen resolution and will not alter it any more than a Hello World program would. --Gravis On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi Jude, I have no idea if this would be possible, but if it is, it would be nice

Re: [Dng] Please!! revive Bastille hardening tool for Devuan

2015-02-11 Thread Gravis
. --Gravis On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Usspookes Lovesystemd usspookslovesyste...@muchomail.com wrote: Could you please revive bastille linux for devuan. It's an essential hardining script and it is unlikely anyone will have a secure system without it. For some reason on the newer debian 7s it does

Re: [Dng] Kali Linux has systemd?

2015-02-11 Thread Gravis
My question is, is it part of the default installation or did you (inadvertently) add it afterwards? --Gravis On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Clarke Sideroad clarke.sider...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/02/15 11:34 PM, Ed Ender wrote: On 2015-02-10 19:52, Wim wrote: Hi, Mark inquired about

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
It doesn't work on a majority of packages, as I understand (build scripts that rely on running compiled code, that don't respect CC, and many other causes.) oh that's dreadful. sounds like something that should be fixed and submitted upstream. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:49 AM

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
on a Windows 7 PC but generates code that runs on Android smartphone is a cross compiler. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 2:33 PM, mutek mu...@riseup.net wrote: Il 10/02/2015 10:30 Gravis ha scritto: to my knowledge, cross compilation has minimal overhead. while having native targets is good

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Cegiełka daniel.cegie...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com: On Sunday, February

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the systemd of boatloaders? --Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread Gravis
with the flag to exclude systemd library dependencies with no further effort required. the things that are really intertwined with systemd are part of Gnome. patches and API implementations are being made for those parts. --Gravis On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-31 Thread Gravis
jude is correct, kernel mode setting resolved this a shade under a decade ago. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_setting --Gravis On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: (If I recall correctly, non-root X is only possible with systemd or on openbsd, so that's

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Gravis
, the initial release of Devuan will have the minimal amount of changes to enable people to choose to not have systemd. --Gravis On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:19:55 +0100 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread Gravis
thanks for the info, Adam. i'll be sure to test it though that's about all that can be done for the first release. -Gravis On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:21:56AM -0500, Gravis wrote: after that i dont know but we would need

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread Gravis
Firmware Interface) specification. Some of the EFI's practices and data formats mirror those from Microsoft Windows.[5][6] In 2005, UEFI deprecated EFI 1.10 (the final release of EFI). The Unified EFI Forum manages the UEFI specification. -Gravis On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:02 AM, rlfrost fros

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Gravis
the first release will be almost the same as debian with the exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone. This is my

Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

2015-01-14 Thread Gravis
so about TRIOS, what's the deal with the forum site https://foss.rs? it claims in the metadata to be lang=en-US and thusly google _REFUSES_ to translate it because it's already in English. -Gravis On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Dragan FOSS dragan.f...@gmx.com wrote: Sent: Monday, January 12