Re: [DNG] email clients: was Where to reply for Steve Litt
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 08:15:22PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Can GNUS be used as a window into a local multilevel many-mailboxed > Dovecot IMAPserver? Same question with mutt: I haven't gotten it to > happen, correctly, all the time. > IMAP support in mutt works just fine. There were issues with network timeouts until a few years ago, but all of them should be solved by now. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..de{vu, bi}an packaging tutorials?, was: New application ready to test: hopman
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 05:37:40PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > Let me suggest also this tutorial last updated 2019-03-13: > > > > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf > > ..are these Debian tutorials accurate enough for Devuan use > that we can just read "dh" as 'd1h' > (https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1110#p1110 ) when > we re-build etc Devuan packages? > > No. d1h implements the Devuan packaging workflow, and has little to do with dh. Anybody trying to use d1h must have already experience of debian packaging. d1h will help shaping the repo of a package in a way that is amenable to be integrated in the Devuan CI. HND -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Cease battling each other in e-mail (was: Of confidence and support and the future of Devuan.)
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 08:23:30AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > FTR I agree with you about the noble meaning of (non institutional?) > politics. I should have used just the term populism. I do believe > Devuan caretakers should show their care for Devuan by dedicating > themselves to solve conflicts in private and within those in charge, > rather than bring it to public this way. > Please, everybody, just stop here. I have asked all the Devuan core developers to have a personal conversation, in order to see what is the common ground and what a possible way out of this empasse would look like. I would kindly ask *everybody* to please shut their email clients off, and stop writing any email on this matter for the next 24 hours. The time of writing is over. Nothing anybody can add in an email will help moving forward by a millimeter. Now is the time to listen. Thanks a lot for your cooperation The last humble servant -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Of confidence and support and the future of Devuan.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:38:00AM +0200, Svante Signell via Dng wrote: > On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 09:10 +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2019, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > > Dan, it is _not_ time for you to leave. Please stay. > > > > Well Rick, at this point considering all the dust Dan is kicking up > > in > > public, apparently now intentionally, I'd say he better leave. All > > his > > past three actions in Devuan damaged the project. I doubt there will > > be recovery and start thinking we'll be better off. I am still in > > favor of listing CenturionDan among the professionals supporting > > Devuan for enterprise support, but I don't believe this is a useful > > caretaking attitude, since he seems to put his own interests and > > concerns before the project's health. > > Sorry Jaromil, > > I don't agree with you. Both Dan and Katolaz should be part of the > caretakers group. What bout nextime, is he still active? And what are > your contributions to the project as a whole? > Just to clarify, and with a hope to stop this nonsense: I decided to take a leave from Devuan all by myself, not because anybody asked me to do that (if anybody asked me repeatedly to leave that was Dan, not Jaromil or anybody else, but those particular requests were irrelevant for my decision). As I have already asked in this list, if you care about Devuan please just stop the drama and use the spare time you have to help Devuan concretely. Just close your email clients, and come back in 24/48 hours, when you have decided how you can contribute to Devuan. Sometimes not answering an email is just much more productive. The rest is useless rubbish. Counting individual contributions to a voluntary project is totally pointless: since there is no price tag on "one hour of voluntary work", then a voluntary contribution of one hour is as important and as valuable as 1000 hours of voluntary contribution. Noone can ask a volunteer to work more, or to work less, or to work at all, because a volunteer is a free man/woman devoted to a cause. Devuan is made by a community of voluntaries, not by single egos. Making contributions as much as possible *invisible*, anonymising, hiding, de-personalising, collectivising, this is the only way through IMHO, the only way to let a community shine. If anything will last, it will be Devuan as a whole, not any of the volunteers who have put it into existence. "A leader is best When people barely know he exists Of a good leader, who talks little, When his work is done, his aim fulfilled, They will say, 'We did this ourselves.' ", Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching HND The last humble servant -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward -- PLEASE STOP
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:21:06AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Please forget this thread and do not waste any single bit on it: I > will not read and I will not reply. If you have time to spare, use it > to help Devuan in any way you can. Beowulf is very close, it will be a > fantastic release and it will finally close the gap with upstream :) > Whatever good or bad you are saying on this thread: please just stop now. Please use this energy to help Devuan moving on: https://bugs.devuan.org/db/ix/full.html -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Way forward
Dear D1rs, the first Devuan Conference last weekend was an incredible experience, which confirmed that Devuan has lots of energy, strength, imagination, humanity, and willpower to succeed in its quest. Devuan is in excellent hands, and it is destined to grow from strength to strength. I joined this project much before it was called Devuan, and I have always considered it a battle worth to be fought, day after day. I promised myself that I would have continued contributing to Devuan until the day we would have started talking corporate bullshit, or stopped trusting each other, or given up on having fun. In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and will now take an indefinite leave from the project. Please forget this thread and do not waste any single bit on it: I will not read and I will not reply. If you have time to spare, use it to help Devuan in any way you can. Beowulf is very close, it will be a fantastic release and it will finally close the gap with upstream :) Thanks for your passion and for the great community you make: this is what powers Devuan, and what has made the miracle come true against all odds. Live, Love, GNU/Linux, and never forget to Laugh Your Asses Off ;) I'll see you around. KatolaZ, the last humble servant -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 04:37:31AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 6/4/19 12:41 am, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > > I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none > > of the core developers are the type to cross the road without > > looking ;-) > > Sure, but the "bus factor" is not just relating to getting hit by a > bus; it is the effect of losing someone by any means (health, > accident, murder or otherwise). It's about having a plan to ensure > that a lost person doesn't have other serious follow on problems ... > such as "nobody knows the encryption pass phrase or key to unlock > critical data (however it is stored), or nobody knows how the system > works so they can step in and keep things going. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor > Please stop freaking out, and stop creating alarming doubts. All and only the five caretakers (Jaromil, CenturionDan, rrq, Evilham, and myself) have (ever had) access to the whole of the Devuan infrastructure. Killing Devuan would require either five buses hitting five people at the same time in five different countries across the globe, or three fires hitting three different data centers at exactly the same time. The fact that we play jokes at times should not trick anybody in thinking even for a moment that we are fools ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Kernel modules not found during Beowulf install
On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 09:05:15PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi KatolaZ, > > KatolaZ writes: > [cut] > > > > > > Hi Olaf, > > > > I will rebuild the installer later today. Stay tuned. > > Still staying tuned but I guess you were too busy fooling around ;-P > > Seriously though, the Devuan netboot image being at the "mercy" of the > Debian package repository for its kernel modules probably needs a more > robust solution than a manual rebuild when a random user catches the > netboot installer with its pants down. Sorry Olaf, but I won't be touching anything Devuan-related in the next few days, since I have an audition for a stand-up-commedy show on Monday, and I have to rehearse :P Hope you will understand. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess
On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 02:28:48PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > On Mon April 1 2019 14:18:38 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > For me that is good enough. > > When core team member Evilham writes "it still looks as > if gdo and the build system were compromised" [1] I need a > lot more than a limited admission of guilt from KatolaZ > before trusting that Evilham was mistaken rather than > KatolaZ just managed to hide his tracks better. > > --Mike > > [1] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.132910.da02134d.en.html You are spreading FUD, since in the email you quoted Evilham never said the infra was compromised. I discard the fact that you come here out of the blue, lecturing about security, calling me a criminal, threatening to sue people you don't even know, and not even bothering signing your emails. I will stop here. I am sure the other Devuan developers will be able to provide all the reassurances you need. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [kato...@freaknet.org: devuan.org is back]
Martin, All, all my messages have always been signed, so I don't understand what you are referring to. This message is signed as well, with my key, which is the same I used to sign all the Devuan install images since Jessie RC2 in April 2017, and minimal live since Jessie Beta 2 in November 2016. You can find it in any keyserver. The fingerprint has been included in my email signature since I can remember. Please refer to the archives of the mailing list or to any personal email you have received from me in the past. I must be honest I find it hilarious that a person that has contributed to Devuan for years is pointed to as a criminal by somebody that has posted only 12 messages on this list. But there you go :\ HND KatolaZ - Forwarded message from KatolaZ - Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:27:00 +0200 From: KatolaZ To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] devuan.org is back User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) As promised, on Apr. 1st 2019 at 1:04:19pm UTC the Devuan world started to make sense again. Please check: http://www.devuan.org http://git.devuan.org http://bugs.devuan.org http://pkginfo.devuan.org http://files.devuan.org http://popcon.devuan.org The gopherholes will remain online for the time being. The "pwned" page is still available at http://www.devuan.org/pwned.html. Again and to clarify once and for all: this was just an April fool. No machine was compromised. No content was moved, deleted, or tampered with in any way. Noone got access to the Devuan infra. No package or mirror was affected. I apologise if somebody thought the joke stretched a bit too far: I am responsible for that. I thought all the clues were clear enough, but apparently they were not and some people got too stressed about it. I am sincerely sorry about that. Pranks have always been an essential part of the hacker culture, and like it or not, Devuan has been brought to all of us by a bunch of passionate hackers working long nights, not by a team of serious white collars in suit and scarf doing 9-to-5. I will definitely make sure I will not make such a mistake again in the future. SorryAgain KatolaZ P.S.: Please, do not let the world outside take away from you the pleasure of having a good laugh, at any cost. Stopping to laugh is the first step to the grave. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng - End forwarded message - -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess
On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 11:05:11AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > > There are two very real problems: (1) the untrustworthy person > with access to Devuan's infrastructure and (2) Devuan's thus-far > totally inadequate response to a serious security incident. > There was no "untrhustworthy person" accessing the Devuan infrastructure. I have said in another email that I am responsible for the prank. I have been a devuan developer since early 2016, and as one of the five caretakers I have access to all the Devuan infrastructure. There was no attack. There was no security incident. It was an April fool. We have clarified that several times. I have apologised for that. I am very sorry for the distress caused :\ [cut] > > I know nothing of Italian law but whether or not the incident > should be referred for criminal prosecution is a question you > should already be discussing with your lawyers or the police. > Yeah, let's tell the Italian police that an administrator with lawful full access to all our servers put a rewrite on three websites for an April fool... HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] devuan.org is back
As promised, on Apr. 1st 2019 at 1:04:19pm UTC the Devuan world started to make sense again. Please check: http://www.devuan.org http://git.devuan.org http://bugs.devuan.org http://pkginfo.devuan.org http://files.devuan.org http://popcon.devuan.org The gopherholes will remain online for the time being. The "pwned" page is still available at http://www.devuan.org/pwned.html. Again and to clarify once and for all: this was just an April fool. No machine was compromised. No content was moved, deleted, or tampered with in any way. Noone got access to the Devuan infra. No package or mirror was affected. I apologise if somebody thought the joke stretched a bit too far: I am responsible for that. I thought all the clues were clear enough, but apparently they were not and some people got too stressed about it. I am sincerely sorry about that. Pranks have always been an essential part of the hacker culture, and like it or not, Devuan has been brought to all of us by a bunch of passionate hackers working long nights, not by a team of serious white collars in suit and scarf doing 9-to-5. I will definitely make sure I will not make such a mistake again in the future. SorryAgain KatolaZ P.S.: Please, do not let the world outside take away from you the pleasure of having a good laugh, at any cost. Stopping to laugh is the first step to the grave. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack
Dear D1rs, we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we concluded that you all are: * APRIL FOOLS * :P Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably going to stay. Everything will be back to "normal" on: * Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:19 PM UTC * if you are wondering, unfortunately 1554123859 is not a prime number :\ See you at the 1st Devuan Conference on 5,6,7 April 2019. For more info: gopher://www.devuan.org/0/os/debian-fork/d1conf-announce-20190119.txt Never forget to Live, Love, Linux, and have a good Laugh! LLoLL -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] *** DEVUAN.ORG HAS BEEN PWNED *** , message -- UPDATE
On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 12:21:58AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Just to let you know that Devuan's caretakers got anonymous emails > from a group who identified themselves as "Green Hat Hackers". They > insisted on the last line of the pwned website. If you have any clue, > let us know. > ok we probably got that! $ date -d @7779847 $ date -d @1554080659 -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] *** DEVUAN.ORG HAS BEEN PWNED *** , message -- UPDATE
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 09:12:39PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Just an update on the current situation: it looks like the machines on > which pkgmaster (the main package repository server) and amprolla are > run are safe. They are on a separate piece of infrastructure and there > have not been compromised. > > So packages from pkgmaster.devuan.org, packages.devuan,org, and > deb.devuan.org should be safe anyway (and the repos are signed, so any > inconsistency would be immediatedly flagged by apt). > > We are working to restore the other machines. > Just to let you know that Devuan's caretakers got anonymous emails from a group who identified themselves as "Green Hat Hackers". They insisted on the last line of the pwned website. If you have any clue, let us know. Updates will follow. Thanks for all your support. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] *** DEVUAN.ORG HAS BEEN PWNED *** , message -- UPDATE
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:55:57AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > On Sun March 31 2019 10:55:22 KatolaZ wrote: > > We know. Seems to be quite serious. No access to our infra. We are > > working on it, and we will post updates. :\ > > Assuming you still control your DNS you could immediately remove > and later replace *.devuan.org to reduce the number of people > accessing/downloading potentially compromised material. > > Here at yosemite.net we have stopped ALL package updates/installs > until we know more. > Just an update on the current situation: it looks like the machines on which pkgmaster (the main package repository server) and amprolla are run are safe. They are on a separate piece of infrastructure and there have not been compromised. So packages from pkgmaster.devuan.org, packages.devuan,org, and deb.devuan.org should be safe anyway (and the repos are signed, so any inconsistency would be immediatedly flagged by apt). We are working to restore the other machines. Updates will follow. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Kernel modules not found during Beowulf install
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 05:45:48PM +, stanz via Dng wrote: > >> > >> No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch > > >between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the > > >kernel version available in the archive.>Hi Olaf, > >I will rebuild the installer later today. Stay tuned. > >Regards > >KatolaZ > > That's been a few days now...glad someone brought it up!! Sorry stanz, we have far more urgent matter to deal with atm :( -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] *** DEVUAN.ORG HAS BEEN PWNED *** , message
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 05:40:27PM +, stanz via Dng wrote: > I got this redirect(?) today, trying to get to git. > I'm on the forum, using links there, all devuan.org. > > https://www.devuan.org/pwned.html > WE TURNED ALL DEVUAN'S SHITTY WEBSITES INTO PROPER GOPHERHOLES > > green hats? We know. Seems to be quite serious. No access to our infra. We are working on it, and we will post updates. :\ HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Kernel modules not found during Beowulf install
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 05:05:44PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi, > > # Full well aware that this is still experimental but ... > > I just tried installing from the netboot/gtk/mini.iso downloaded from > > http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/ > > but ran into the following warning on the Download installer components > "page": > > No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch > between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the > kernel version available in the archive. Hi Olaf, I will rebuild the installer later today. Stay tuned. Regards KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] about jessie-backports
Dear D1rs, as part of Jessie being ready to become oldoldstable in Debian, all the jessie suites apart from "jessie" itself have been moved to archive.debian.org. As a result, you will notice that jessie-backports will be empty in Devuan as well. We are working on a solution to that. The most probable one is to put in place something like archive.debian.org for devuan, and advise the users to use that repo for backports instead. Please follow: https://bugs.devuan.org/310 for updates. You will notice that also jessie-updates is empty, but it had been like that since when jessie became oldstable, since at that point anything that is still in *-updates gets merged into the stable suite. Thanks for your patience KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to test the backend of simple-netaid
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:16:17AM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: [cut] > > > > > > Maybe something like: > > > > $ kill -9 $(pidof wpa_supplicant) > > > > is easier to use ;) pidof(8) is still there. > > > > My2Cents > > > > KatolaZ > > > > killall -9 wpa_supplicant > > ;-) Sure. The main difference is that killall is in psmisc, which is "Priority: optional", while pidof is in sysvinit-utils, which is "Priority: required" in Devuan ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to test the backend of simple-netaid
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:41:16PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
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>
> fsmithred wrote the following command in d1g time ago:
>
> |kill $(ps -e |grep wpa |grep -oP '\d{3,}')
> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 Aitor. |
>
Maybe something like:
$ kill -9 $(pidof wpa_supplicant)
is easier to use ;) pidof(8) is still there.
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Re: [DNG] How can I install dokuwiki? it's not in ascci I think it's in ceres
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 01:48:14PM +0100, Basati wrote: > El martes, 19 de marzo de 2019 13:36:55 (CET) Basati escribió: > > The local file have this > > root@basatu:/etc/dokuwiki# ls -all local.php > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 250 mar 19 13:11 local.php > > The group isn't bad? > > Shouldn't it be www-data ? > > with write permissions? > > Configuration Manager section > > He says to me: "The settings file can not be updated, if this is > unintentional, ensure the local settings file name and permissions are > correct." > > does it refer to local.php? Hi Basati, I am sorry but, believe it or not, I am not a dokuwiki expert and this is not a dokuwiki helpdesk :) Actually, I had never heard of dokuwiki before. I simply gave you general advice about installing a version of a package which is not in ascii. Since this dokuwiki thing seems to depend only on PHP and Javascript, there are high chances that it might work almost anywhere. But I don't know more, sorry. Maybe try to ask to a dokuwiki ML or IRC channel? HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How can I install dokuwiki? it's not in ascci I think it's in ceres
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:23:05AM +0100, Basati wrote: > Hello > > I am preparing a documentation that I would like to hang in the wiki. To > about > three configurations of our image for RaspBerry > > devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.img [cut] > > So I need to mount dokuwiki locally. > > I haven't used dokuwiki for more than 10 years, I have to learn how to use it > again. And I've seen a lot of changes. > > I try to install it and it is not in ascii > > I installed sid's but I have permissions problems, I don't know if it's by > systemd > > How can I download a package of ceres dokuwiki? Can you tell me where it is? > Hi Basati, the dokuwiki package has not been forked by Devuan, so it comed directly from debian. The package does not require systemd or libsystemd, so you should not have any problem with using it. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to test the backend of simple-netaid
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:00:59AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
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>
> I answer myself, referring to the use of pkill wpa_supplicant:
>
> #include
>
> int kill_wpa_supplicant(void)
> {
> pid_t wpa_pid;
> FILE *fp;
>
> fp = (fopen("/var/run/wpa_supplicant.pid", "r"));
> if (fp == NULL) {
> printf("Couldn't read Wpasupplicant pid file, not trying to kill.");
> return 0;
aitor, please notice that the pid file for wpa_supplicant can be
literally *anywhere*. At the moment, in Devuan Beowulf, it is stored
in the folder /var/run/wpa_supplicant/. But this is just very
unreliable, IMHO. Please also consider that `wpa_supplicant(8)` has an
option "-P" that allows to specify the path to pidfile...
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Re: [DNG] Quirks with Xorg and ASCII (startx and transparency)
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:42:48AM +, Ognen B via Dng wrote: > Hi all, > > So, I have just upgraded my machine from Jessie to Ascii, and I am having > some issues. Specifically: > > 1. startx as non-root user no longer works. Now I keep getting "permission > denied" for X when it attempts to start. > > This isn't completely surprising, as I read the upgrade notes, and it said > that there have been some changes to xorg, and to get the old behaviour you > need "xserver-xorg-legacy" installed. > > However I have that package installed, but it still doesn't work. What do I > need to do to get this working again? Hi Ognen, please read through the ASCII Release notes: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt The relevant section is "Starting X from a terminal". You should add a line in Xwrapper.config for that to work. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB sticks [was logging uses of machine-id]
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:45:14AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > Monitoring the partitions, their label and wether they are mounted is > already done. I'm now dealing with making a GUI with that data. If you know > of a mean to use Dmenu to implement this GUI, I would be willing to work > with you. > It's done in a couple of lines with dmenu. I am willing to help with that if you want. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 04:43:44AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > By the way, how did you detect insertion? Were you using dmesg > --follow ? > Much easier than that: since I am normally the only person who inserts a stick in my computer, and I don't have any 100 meters long USB cable running through the neighbourhood, I don't need any particular method to "detect insertion", apart from being sober and using my own short-term memory :) At that point, I just type `tail -30 /var/log/dmesg` in one of my 50+ terminals, look for the detected partitions (if I am sober I am normally able to find a disk partition in dmesg), launch `pmount` as many times as needed, and cd on the folder. Optionally, I might open `mc` once there. The whole thing requires less than 5 seconds, 6 times less the amount you required to read this description. That's my personal definition of *perfect workflow*, but I cannot expect any other user to agree with that, as much as I don't agree with those insisting on clicking on things. Yet, I insist on the fact that Devuan must have the best possible support for automounting. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 04:10:54AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:54:34 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > Ask those who *absolutely* *needed* usb sticks to be > > immediately automounted irrespective whatever DE they were using, and > > wanted the icon on the panel as soon as the drive was up. > > I and another guy on the DNG list solved that one a couple years ago > with inotifywait and some shellscript-fu. And our solution worked > whether or not X was running. > I know very well Steve. And that one is already too much for me (I look in dmesg and use pmount). I just wonder whether your nice solution is enough for a wider audience used to have things popping up around all the time. I guess it's not, as much as setnet is not a solution to manage networks palatable to a wider audience, as much as apt-get is not the tool used by the large majority of users to install packages, and so on. Tinkerers will always be fine. But a distro that aims to be universal like Devuan must also cater for those who are not willing to tinker around, IMHO. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] probem with mutt after upgrade to beowulf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 05:30:16PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I have just upgraded to beowulf from ascii. > > Suddently mutt will not accept a backspace to scroll upwards one line > while reading a text email. > > However, on the help page, mut still maintains that backspace means to > scroll upwards one line. > Hendrik, could you please provide more info? I am using mutt under beowulf inside xterm, and backspace works as always. Are you using a different terminal emulator, maybe? Can anyone else reproduce this issue? Hendrik, would you mind filing a bug to bugs.devuan.org, please? HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 04:54:02PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:40:02AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Then, you won't have any > > "desktop integration" which seems to be a "must" for many users today, > > but I can assure that life goes on either way. > > What *is* that "desktop integration" that those users want? > Ask them. Ask those who complained for months before ascii got to beta stage because they could not click on a button and suspend their laptop, since their DE did not supported consolekit. Ask those whose laptop suspended but then did not resume properly, and had screen brightness all off because their session was not properly maintained. Ask those who *absolutely* *needed* usb sticks to be immediately automounted irrespective whatever DE they were using, and wanted the icon on the panel as soon as the drive was up. Ask those who said it was outragious that synaptic did not start straight from the menu, since policykit was not working. Ask those who complain because a widget is misplaced in the bottom panel of a LXDE, those who insist that Devuan is "rough over the edges" because the border of the windows in the default theme is too thin, or to those who are disconcerted because one of their preferred widgets has suddenly disappeared. I am not saying these are not valid complaints, quite the opposite. I am just saying that I accepted years ago that the way I use Linux is not the same other users use it, and I have to keep this in mind if I want to contribute to Devuan. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] LXQT issues after upgrade to beowulf
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 05:33:59PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > After upgrading to beowulf, there are several changes in LXQt: > > The background desktop image has disappeared. Instead, I have a solid > black background. > > The clock has disappeared from the activity bar at the bottom. > > These may be intended changes that just need reconfiguring, but are > disconcerting. > Hendrik, please note that Beowulf has not been released yet. Reporting stuff that does not work as intended is important, useful, and fundamental to improve Beowulf. Getting emotional about bugs, pretty much less so :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 09:07:07PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:04:23 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20190312160423.c62sssfcgc4b6...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 04:24:43PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > > > > dear Didier, > > > > > > thanks for this quick C monitoring tool using the inotify API > > > > > > I think this may be useful also for /etc/machine-id - which may be a > > > different ID from dbus I believe? > > > > > > meanwhile an update on my adventures using chromium on Beowulf: it > > > basically stopped working since I overwrote my machine-id with > > > "d34dc0d3d34dc0d3d34dc0d3d34dc0d3" because, I believe, is not the > > > machine-id that chromium registered for the sessions of my profile / > > > users logged into Google. > > > > Sorry Jaromil, but I can't reproduce this. > > ..did you try logging in into a google account? > Yes, I did all the tests from either inside a google account or not. Same behaviour. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 07:02:29PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > In order to contact your preferred DE's interface to select the printer > > when you hit CTRL+P, just to make one example out of several dozens? > > > Is dbus really necessary for that? When printing from Palemoon, the same > dialog as all applications pops up, I guess it has to do with CUPS, but > Palemoon doesn't read machine-id for that, which certainly means it doesn't > use Dbus. > It is not necessary, but developers are using it :) > > Or to unlock the keyring using your DE's keyring manager? > > > I, personally, don't trust that keyring. So don't use. > I don't use it either, but that's not the point. If an application has support for a feature, and that feature is cut around libWhatever, you need to link libWhatever in. And if libWhatever needs to contact serviceWhatever, it must be working properly before the app start, because an application cannot know in advance whether you will print a document or not... I need to keep libdbus installed only because surf uses libwxgtk, which in turns depends on libgtk2, which in turn uses something else that is linked against libdbus. Go figure... > > We can only fear what we don't understand. > > > Sure, and I thank you for having looked at Dbus' source. What we don't > understand still is the reason for this new /etc/machine-id. One will need > to read Systemd's source to know it. > /etc/machine-id has literally *nothing* to do with dbus. It comes from systemd, and is not present in any genuine Devuan install. You can remove it and apparently no application will be affected in Devuan. > > > If you don't trust CORBA/DCOP/dbus, just remove any GNOME/KDE/whatever > > component from your system. > > > I dislike them and I'm aiming to get rid of them. Xfce needs gvfs (and > what else) to show icons for removable disks. I'm writing an application > sans-gvfs do do something similar. > Great. Welcome to the club :) > > It's possible. Then, you won't have any "desktop integration" which > > seems to be a "must" for many users today, but I can assure that life > > goes on either way. > > > Well, this is meant to make the famous "Linux Desktop" look like MacOS > or MSWindows to take a part of their market share. > > I got the impression that a significant part of devuaneers is running > big servers and another part DIY desktop/laptops. The first of these > populations easily keep away from this entanglement; the last may be unhappy > with it. > That's only part of the story. There are also a lot of D1rs who just use Devuan as their standard desktop. They are not interested in tinkering, and they just want to use their computer with a reasonable distribution. There are Devuan installations which run as public kiosks, and more that power high school and university labs. In all these cases, Devuan must *just work*. If Devuan was just "big servers", we would have dropped most of what most of us consider "nonsense" since from the beginning. But Devuan aims at providing a universal, dependable, stable, free operating system. There are many more use-cases out there than anyone of us alone can imagine, and we need to support as many of them as possible, if we want Devuan to survive and thrive ;) > This said, the job of providing a sans-dbus DE is certainly not > something I would ask to Devuan. But there are people in the Devuan > community who aim at that. They need a sans-systemd OS like Devuan to do it. > And derivatives are welcome to do that, if they like. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tried testing elogind and libelogind0 241.1-1
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:32:18PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] > > Do I just have to do aptitude install elogind? > Just try: # apt-get install libelogind0 it should remove libsystemd0, and life should continue as before. If you have multi-arch enabled with support for i386, you might want to install also libelogind0:i386. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 04:24:43PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Didier, > > thanks for this quick C monitoring tool using the inotify API > > I think this may be useful also for /etc/machine-id - which may be a > different ID from dbus I believe? > > meanwhile an update on my adventures using chromium on Beowulf: it > basically stopped working since I overwrote my machine-id with > "d34dc0d3d34dc0d3d34dc0d3d34dc0d3" because, I believe, is not the > machine-id that chromium registered for the sessions of my profile / > users logged into Google. Sorry Jaromil, but I can't reproduce this. I am running beowulf. I had no /etc/machine-id. I installed the Chromium package through apt-get. It complained that I needed to install chromium-sandbox as well, and I did. I launched it from a terminal and it "worked" (no machine-id so far). Then I closed it, created a /etc/machine-id with: # head -c 4 /dev/random | md5sum | cut -d " " -f 1 > /etc/machine-id and restarted it. It worked. Then I changed the machine-id and restarted it several time, and it worked. Then I put /etc/machine-id equal to your "d34dc0d3d34dc0d3d34dc0d3d34dc0d3" and it worked. Then I removed /etc/machine-id again, and chromium still works. Then I also stopped dbus and removed /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, so no /etc/machine-id, no /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, and no dbus running. Close and open again, and it works. Then I uninstalled chromium because it sucks anyway. We shall probably dig a deeper into this... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for testing of elogind and libelogind0 241.1-1
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 02:10:10PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > Hello all, > > We have just packaged a new upstream version of elogind (241.1) for Devuan. > The > packages have just hit ceres and beowulf and should be in mirrors within an > hour. > > The Big News in this release is that, thanks to the persistence of > CenturionDan > and the excellent response of Sven upstream, libelogind0 is now ABI compatible > with libsystemd0. This allows libelogind0 to replace libsystemd0 completely > without requiring binary recompilation. > > I have tried basic combinations of slim/lightdm with mate/cinnamon/xfce4 on a > VM > without any problems. But more testing is required. Please do try all of the > desktoppy things and report any regressions. > > Thanks for your help and have fun! > > Mark Dear Mark, thanks a lot for your effort with elogind and libelogind0: it's very much appreciated. As usual, let's install this stuff as widely as possible, and please use the BTS to report bugs and issues. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] dbus [was: Re: logging uses of machine-id]
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 01:41:44PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > On 12/3/19 13:35, Antony Stone wrote: > > If that's a serious comment, what is evil/wrong with (lib)dbus? > > One of the premises of the devuan project was (i thought): no more wraps, > please. > I would agree wholeheartedly, aitor, and would definitely be in favour of removing from Devuan whetever piece of software uses an unneeded "wrap". This would include most of GNOME and GTK applications, most of KDE and Qt-related stuff, most of the browsers, most of the desktop goodies, the whole concept of session management, and much much more. This will result in a pretty lean distro, indeed. Only, I doubt that many in this list and outside would like the resulting "distribution" at all. I have seen endless discussions here and in the forum about the borders of windows in the standard ASCII theme having "the wrong thickness", and endless rants about "gksu not being available any more! oh my gosh how could we survive?!?". I have already been living without most of that "wrap stuff" for many years, but I have the impression that most users would not like to cope with the kind of "desktop experience" --so to speak-- that would result from such a massive removal and purification. Nevertheless, the simple removal of anything that has an unneded "wrap" would definitely make the effort of Devuan development much easier, although probably almost pointless. The other possibility is to patch any software that requires dbus/CORBA/DCOP and any other "wrap", by providing an alternative (probably, just yet-another-system-bus), testing the patches, and maintaining them. In order to do that we need people able to concretely help and do things and make their hands dirty with actual coding. We need hackers. We need soldiers. Generals and philosophers who perfectly know what to do but disappear as soon as "The Right Thing (TM)" needs to be done are close to useless for that quest. "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill--the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill--you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 09:59:04AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Didier Kryn - 12.03.19, 09:48: > > Le 11/03/2019 à 19:33, KatolaZ a écrit : > > > guys, anything using dbus will most probably (indirectly) access > > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id at some point in time, since that file is > > > read when attempting to send a message via dbus. > > > > It's most certainly as simple as that. > > > > The question is why the hell do a web browser need to attach to > > Dbus? This question is pure rant because I won't be satisfied by any > > answer. > > For me it would be more important to see what DBUS, aka libdbus, is > actually doing with the machine id. > > Thus I second the recommendation of KatolaZ to look at its source code. > Martin, AFAIU it's used just to make sure that a dbus call originates from a process on the same machine of the receiver. But, please, audit the code if you have time for that, and report any misbehaving. We have also implemented a fix in dbus that re-generates /var/lib/dbus/machine-id at each reboot (despite I think it's not necessary). I think that any leak in dbus would have been found by now (dbus has been around for several years), but I might be proven wrong. The code is free software, available and distributed under GNU GPL2+ (and also under Academic Free License 2.1). Literally anybody can read it. But please, let's stop shooting in the dark. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 09:48:11AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 11/03/2019 à 19:33, KatolaZ a écrit : > > guys, anything using dbus will most probably (indirectly) access > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id at some point in time, since that file is > > read when attempting to send a message via dbus. > > It's most certainly as simple as that. > > The question is why the hell do a web browser need to attach to Dbus? > This question is pure rant because I won't be satisfied by any answer. In order to contact your preferred DE's interface to select the printer when you hit CTRL+P, just to make one example out of several dozens? Or to unlock the keyring using your DE's keyring manager? We can only fear what we don't understand. I know it should seem obvious today, but interaction among different applications requires Inter-Process Communication (IPC). This is done in the GNOME-world throgh CORBA, and in the KDE-world throug DCOP (and in the Micro$oft world through DCOM). The proposal of freedesktop was to have a unified interface for that. The result is called dbus, and it's not that much different in spirit and functioning from either CORBA or DCOP or DCOM (also CORBA needs the equivalent of machine-id for most operations, just to mention one similarity). In other words, if you use a "modern" DE, you have been using such complicated IPC mechanisms for the best part of the last 20+ years. It's not new. It has been there for ages. Maybe it was called differently, but it had basically the same ugly face for programmers, and the same "nice" behaviour from the user perspective. I don't particularly like dbus, as I don't particularly like CORBA or DCOP (I have actually written a relatively large piece of software based on CORBA in the past, but I have no large experience of DCOP TBH). IMHO, IPC does not need to be that complicated, if programmers know their way around. On top of that, dbus seems to be much slower than either CORBA or DCOP, so it's not even a technological improvement. It's the same shit we have been dealing with for the last 20 years. We can surely live happy without such complicated IPC frameworks, and I have personally done that for many years now. But seriously, it looks to me like we are still shooting the wrong bird here. If you don't trust CORBA/DCOP/dbus, just remove any GNOME/KDE/whatever component from your system. It's possible. Then, you won't have any "desktop integration" which seems to be a "must" for many users today, but I can assure that life goes on either way. We can only fear what we don't understand. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 08:17:59AM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2019 Mon, 11 Mar 19:16:13 +0100 > Didier Kryn scripsit: > > First list of applications reading machine-id. > > > > /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch > > /usr/local/waterfox/waterfox > > > > None of Palemoon, Firefox-ESR or Surf reads machine-id on my ASCII > > laptop. I compiled Palemoon on Jessie maybe two years ago, and I think I > > compiled Waterfox more recently on ASCII. > > "surf" on beowuld does use /var/lib/dbus/machine-id: > > (surf:4280): IBUS-WARNING **: 08:16:24.059: Unable to load > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id: Datei »/var/lib/dbus/machine-id« konnte nicht > geöffnet werden: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > Again, this is pretty pointless: just look for reverse-deps on libdbus and you'll find the answers you are looking for. /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is read by anyting that opens a dbus channel and/or sends/receives a message through dbus. It is not read by the process itself, rather by libdbus (please have a look at dbus' code). My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 07:16:13PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > First list of applications reading machine-id. > > /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon > /usr/bin/dbus-launch > /usr/local/waterfox/waterfox > > None of Palemoon, Firefox-ESR or Surf reads machine-id on my ASCII > laptop. I compiled Palemoon on Jessie maybe two years ago, and I think I > compiled Waterfox more recently on ASCII. guys, anything using dbus will most probably (indirectly) access /var/lib/dbus/machine-id at some point in time, since that file is read when attempting to send a message via dbus. Please have a look at dbus' code. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 03:32:57PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Please find in atttachment a quickly hacked C program which writes a > line on standard output everytime a process opens a given file. > > The invocation syntax to watch machine-id is 'fawatch > /var/lib/machine-id' Hi Didier, if you mean the dbus machine-id, then it's /var/lib/dbus/machine-id. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:32:57AM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: [cut] > > Hi > > I am using ASCII, migrated from Jessie, migrated from Debian (maybe but > I do not remember)... > > Unitil I will migrate to Beowulf, I guess adopt this proposed solution: > > 1) symlink /etc/machine-id to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id > > 2) run boot: echo date +%s%N | md5sum | cut -c 1-32 > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id > > So please help me: what is the right way to run the previous command at > each boot? > Just put your command in /etc/rc.local HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan server outage -- Please read -- SOLVED
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:39:39AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Hi All, > > still working on it. In the meanwhile, the website is back at > > http://www.dev-1.org > http://www.dev-one.org > > We will keep you posted with other updates. > Dear D1rs, just to let you know that everything is up and running again. There was a glitch in one of the nodes hosting part of our infrastructure, which was solved by nextime. Thanks all for your patience. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan server outage -- Please read -- UPDATE
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:14:35AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi D1rs, > > we have experienced an outage to part of the Devuan infrastructure. As > a result, the following services are not currently reachable: > > - www.devuan.org > - packages.devuan.org > - *.mirror.devuan.org > - ci.devuan.org > > We are working to resolve the issue. In the meanwhile, please use > 'deb.devuan.org' as a package mirror in your sources.list. The rest of > the infrastructure (ML, forum, repos, files, git, BTS, popcon, etc.) > is up and running. We will keep you posted with updates. Hi All, still working on it. In the meanwhile, the website is back at http://www.dev-1.org http://www.dev-one.org We will keep you posted with other updates. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan server outage -- Please read
Hi D1rs, we have experienced an outage to part of the Devuan infrastructure. As a result, the following services are not currently reachable: - www.devuan.org - packages.devuan.org - *.mirror.devuan.org - ci.devuan.org We are working to resolve the issue. In the meanwhile, please use 'deb.devuan.org' as a package mirror in your sources.list. The rest of the infrastructure (ML, forum, repos, files, git, BTS, popcon, etc.) is up and running. We will keep you posted with updates. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 09:06:50AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: [cut] > > I get 007f0100 on one jessie, 007f0101 on another jessie and 007f0101 > > on ascii. (Three different computers) > > > > The ascii install is on a laptop that has several installations. When I > > reboot it into jessie, I get 007f0100. Ceres on that same box gives me > > 007f0100. > > All the info I have seen on this topic in the thread is consistent with > hostid returning the "mangled" IP address belonging to the machine's > current hostname. This is normally set from /etc/hostname. That file > is created during installation. The IP address is in /etc/hosts. > Yeah, that works like that unless there is an /etc/hostid. That file is normally created upon each call to sethostid. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 02:28:10PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: [cut] > > > > > > I wonder... is it a "fixed" id for all Devuan installation as it seems to > > > be? > > > > > > And if it is so,is it correct that it is? > > > > How intriguing! > > I get the same value on a Debian Wheezy machine... > As pointed out elsewhere: https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/gethostid.c hence, unless any root process has called sethostid, we should all get the same number ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 01:11:31PM +0100, marc wrote: [cut] > > B) I am more concerned about the other part, where code is > known to phone home, but the developers or packagers > have decided that this is fine. The examples range from popcon > to systemd's resolver (which I am told falls back on to google > at 8.8.8.8) to chromium or firefox/iceweasel. For the time > being these designed-in phone home packages are few, so it > should not be a hardship to label them with a "leaking::" > tag. > I am sorry marc, but that's incorrect. popcon does not ever 'call home' in either Debian or Devuan, unless you have *explicitly* agreed to allow it to do that. And the reasons for popcon "calling-home" are well stated and fully disclosed: it's a package to collect anonymous statistics about package usage, and it sends such stats to the popcon server once a week. popcon submissions are maintained encrypted and stored only for the time necessary to process them. I can guarantee this is the case in Devuan, since I am in charge of popcon. Please let us avoid to make confusion with Ubuntu here, which has always had popcon enabled by default, and is another case of a corporation which has all the interests to track their users, to the point of selling that data (and its users) to third-party vendors (see the infamous Amazon app...). systemd is not in Devuan. Chromium comes from Google, and I would never trust it anyway, notwhitstanding what Google promises to do about it (but I have not seen the code, so my position might be proven to be wrong). AFAIK Firefox comes with "calling-home" disabled by default anyway. Please do not put everything in the same basket ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 11:16:51AM +0100, marc wrote: [cut] > > I also agree with your sentiment that free and open source > software is necessary to track down information leakage. But it > seems it may be necessary but not sufficient - what one also > needs is a distribution which makes it clear when this information > is disclosed. Sadly it turns out there are also opensource > developers (often corporate) who want to know when and where and by > whom their code is run. The way I think about it is that such code > isn't quite free either - one pays for it in personal data. > Dear marc, unwanted "calls-home" are normally found and disclosed if the software is free, so I really don't think this is a problem. Asking the development team of a distribution with 50k+ packages to guarantee that nothing ever uses user information for unwanted means is just plain impossible. Not even Debian can do that. This is done, indirectly, by all the people who look at the code, and contribute to the packages. If you want a true "secure" system, you should use Linux From Scratch, auditing the code of all the packages you install *before* compiling them, and patch all of them as needed. And then maintain your own DNS servers, disable cookies, javascript, and browser cache, use tor, avoid any clear-text connection, and do not use "free" software developed by the companies who are spearheading the exploitation of user data (yes, I am talking of Google here, and of whatever comes form Google, including the touch keyboard on your smartphones). My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 09:05:20AM +0100, marc wrote: [cut] > > But what really blows me away is that these ids exist on > Debian to begin with. I had been under the assumption that > free systems are built according to the needs and desires > of their users, and few users go "what I really need in this > day and age is less privacy". > Mark, I think you are probably shooting the wrong bird here. Host ids have been around for the best part of the last 40 years in the unix world. And I am not talking about proprietary unix. The syscalls gethostid/sethostid were introduced in 4.2BSD (ca. 1983), at Berkeley, and are supposed to support unique host ids across all the unix installations. The gethostid syscall was even standardised in POSIX. Most of the implementations (including Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc.) are keeping or have kept the hostid in /etc/hostid or in /var/adm/hostid, and all of them have to respond with something sensible to the gethostid(2) syscall. This has absolutely nothing to do with distributions, unless a distro maintains a separate set of patches to modify the behaviour of the gethostid syscall in the kernel and of the gethostid libc function. In any case, there are dozens of ways to identify a host and a user with very good accuracy, even across reboots and even when it travels through different locations, so the cure is to make sure that no unwanted usage of this information is made by the software you run. And the only guarantee for that is that the code is free and open source. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version
Dear D1rs, following the discussion about /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, you find a new version of dbus in unstable and beowulf. The new version is 1.12.12-1+devuan2, and it should hit pkgmaster in the next 10 minutes. I have added a variable "IDTYPE" in /etc/default/dbus which is set by default to "RANDOM". This will result in /var/lib/dbus/machine-id being re-generated at boot time (and only at boot time). If IDTYPE is set to anything else, /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is preserved across subsequent boots. In this way, the sysadmin can choose to have the dbus machine-id persist across boots, if they like, but the default beaviour will be to have it re-generated at each boot. Please test it out and report any issue. There is an open bug (#304) on bugs.devuan.org. Use that one for comments/updates please. Regarding /etc/machine-id: it looks like it is installed only by systemd, so any devuan installation which originally was a Debian might probably have it. My guess is that it should be possible to remove it altogether. If any application wants it (somebody mentioned chromium) you could replace it with a symlink to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id. I guess replacing /etc/machine-id every 10 minutes to avoid chromium tracking you is not particularly smart: I am pretty sure chromium would just read it when it starts, and then keep it in RAM, so you might need to restart chromium every 10 minutes as well. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 06:38:32PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > > > I don't seem to have it and everything works without it. > > > > It's on my beowulf installations, and I didn't even know that it was > > there :-/ > > ..quick starting point: > ll /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id \ > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id /var/db/dbus/machine-id > $ ll bash: ll: command not found $ :P anyway: - /etc/hostid is defined in POSIX 2001 and POSIX 2008 (man gethostid) - /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id is randomly generated by the kernel at each boot (see drivers/char/random.c and kernel/sysctl.c in the kernel tree) - /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is used by dbus, and at the moment seems to not being re-generated at each boot (my recollection was wrong: we will fix it) - /etc/machine-id should be used only by systemd components. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 12:31:55PM -0500, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 3/8/19, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Then we could probably just ignore it, right? It turns out I was > > making confusion between /etc/machine-id and > > /car/lib/dbus/machine-id. There is no /etc/machine-id in any of my > > machines, either on ascii or on beowulf, and I had forgotten you had > > pushed the patch to elogind to use the dbus machine-id instead. > > > > We should just double-check that the dbus machine-id is regenerated at > > reboot, as expected. > > > > There's no /etc/machine-id in my beowulf that was an upgrade from > refracta ascii or in the beowulf live iso that I just made with > live-sdk. > > Refractasnapshot excludes /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and blanks > /etc/machine-id if it's present. > > Refractainstaller excludes /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and does nothing > with /etc/machine-id. > > Isos made with live-sdk will have /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, and it's > the same number every boot unless we remove the file. I just added 'rm > -f /var/lib/dbus/machine-id' to blend_finalize() and now the iso has a > different machine-id on every boot. > > If /etc/machine-id is missing, systemd-journald will fail. If the file > is empty, it'll get a new number. (That doesn't concern us, but > there's code for it in refractasnapshot because people use that on > debian with systemd.) > Thanks a lot for the analysis fsmithred. I guess we should open a bug report against dbus to correct the behaviour of the dbus init script (and ensure that /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is regenerated at each boot). On the other hand, it looks like /etc/machine-id mighr come from Debian installations "converted" to Devuan, but we should check whether any of the installer components might have put it there. We should collect as many reports as possible of things that won't work if /etc/machine-id does not exist. Anybody willing to help with this: if your Devuan installation has a file /etc/machine-id, could you please move/remove it and report any application complaining about that, including the version of Devuan you are using? Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:08:39PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 03:00:31PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Yes, elogind uses it. But I got upstream to take a patch which uses > > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id as an alternative to /etc/machine-id. > > > > > > > and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot > > time. But we need to double-check. > > Yes, but only if it is missing, so eg if /var/ is tmpfs or you arrange to > clear > it. > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is generated by a dbus-uuidgen(1) call in the dbus > initscript. This doesn't overwrite an existing file so that the machine-id is > not changed during a single uptime. > > Certainly elogind has no requirement for /etc/machine-id to be present or > consistent between boots. Then we could probably just ignore it, right? It turns out I was making confusion between /etc/machine-id and /car/lib/dbus/machine-id. There is no /etc/machine-id in any of my machines, either on ascii or on beowulf, and I had forgotten you had pushed the patch to elogind to use the dbus machine-id instead. We should just double-check that the dbus machine-id is regenerated at reboot, as expected. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:49:20PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:23:20PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Jaromil, > > > > this is currently managed by eudev in devuan and, IIRC, it is simply > > regenerated as a random ID at each boot. I guess it's still there > > because it is used by several things, including > > session-management-related stuff. We had a discussion on IRC with Mark > > (LeePen) about that several weeks ago, and IIRC we concluded that > > keeping it around but re-generating it at boot was the way to avoid > > breakage. > > Yes, elogind uses it. But I got upstream to take a patch which uses > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id as an alternative to /etc/machine-id. > and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot time. But we need to double-check. Thanks Mark KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:47:40PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > re all, > > any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop > immediately "standardized" (whatever is their procedure for that, > likely smoking cigars among old-boys or so) > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html > > its easy to replace by a script of course that's not the problem (the > manpage suggests to use a systemd application for that, not a joke!) > but I'm curious if anyone has some background and thoughts about this > > AFAIK chromium started checking it and its absence on Devuan Beowulf > is reported as an error, so we may have to work around this. > > but first things first: do we want /etc/machine-id? and how? > Jaromil, this is currently managed by eudev in devuan and, IIRC, it is simply regenerated as a random ID at each boot. I guess it's still there because it is used by several things, including session-management-related stuff. We had a discussion on IRC with Mark (LeePen) about that several weeks ago, and IIRC we concluded that keeping it around but re-generating it at boot was the way to avoid breakage. Any thoughts on the matter are appreciated, but concrete insight on the ins and outs are much more useful I guess (read: please let's avoid a useless uninformed flame about that :P). My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for testing of slim/experimental
On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 08:13:01AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] > > Is beowulf already in a state where it is generally useable for an ordinary > user on a laptop? Except maybe a few quirks like the one we're now > debugging? If so I'll upgrade soon and look for problems. I'd prefer not > to have to downgrade or reinstall if my system becomes unusable. > Define "ordinary user on a laptop". I have been using beowulf since about 8 months ago on my laptop, and haven't experience any major breakage (but I should probably also definne "major breakage" here). My impression is that beowulf is pretty usable, but I am not running a DE so my experience does not cover session-related automagic goodies. It would be great if more people would actually move on beowulf as soon as possible, so that we can identify as many glitches as possible and put together a beta of beowulf. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for testing of slim/experimental
On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 11:07:41AM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 3/7/19 2:00 AM, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > I get nothing listed when running 'w' and 'who'. Checking output of 'last' > > shows the reboot time correctly but my slim login doesn’t appear at all. > > same here. w used to work with lightdm. tty logins still show normally. > also tried with procps/ceres (downgrade from beowulf), but that made no > difference. > > lastlog also doesn't show any user logins since 30/1.. (right after > policykit upgrade - > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190131.103118.c6fc512b.en.html ) > policykit installed version : 0.105-25+devuan1 > elogind installed version : 239.3+20190131-1 > > is there a bug report for this yet? > (will probably try consolekit again, just to check if it makes any > difference) Could somebody plese file a bug report on bugs.devuan.org? Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for testing of slim/experimental
On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 08:31:33AM +1100, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: [cut] > > So, apparently 'slim' since long ago believes something else is > responsible for registring the session(s), but that something else > doesn't agree. Maybe that's down to 'consolekit', then? > > A fantastic opportunity for me to gain some "new" knowledge, that I ran > into by accident :) > Bug report to bugs.devuan.org, please. This is something we definitely need to pin down and fix. Thanks Ralph! HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for testing of slim/experimental
On Tue, Mar 05, 2019 at 12:30:02PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > Hello, > > We have a new version of slim in experimental (1.3.6-5+devuan6). It has been > changed so that it now works with either elogind or consolekit2. It would be a > great help to have it tested before it moves into ceres/beowulf. > > All reports of problems or success gratefully received. > > Thanks for your help. > Please everyone using a DE in Beowulf/Ceres, help testing that package. Just add the experimental repo, get the package, and report problems on bugs.devuan.org. If you were asking youself what you could to help Devuan, well, testing stuff can be one of the answers, and is a very important contribution. We are d1rs, and we will get there, won't we? ;P HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bootlogd: /var/log/boot does not get rotated
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 05:06:10PM +0100, Stefan Krusche wrote: > Hi KatolaZ, > > thank you for the quick reply. > > Am Samstag, 2. März 2019 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Stefan, bootlogd will always log the current boot in /var/log/boot > > after having renamed it into /var/log/boot~. > > Yes, makes sense. Unfortunately this is not happening on my system. > > $ ls -l /var/log/boo* > -rw-r- 1 root adm 1239019 Mär 2 11:27 /var/log/boot > > > In this way you always > > have the log of the current boot in /var/log/boot and the log of the > > previous one in /var/log/boot~. So there should be no need to rotate > > them. > > I only have looked into /etc/init.d/bootlogd so far. The copied code > snippets (with line numbers) tell me that bootlogd logs > to /run/bootlog: > > 16 TMPLOG=/run/bootlog > > 20 BOOTLOGD_OPTS="-c -l $TMPLOG" > Dear Stefan, bootlogd only replaces /var/log/boot~ if it is given the option "-r" (see the bootlogd manpage). It looks like this option is missing from BOOTLOGD_OPTS above. It should be sufficient to add "-r" there. This means that you would only keep the log for the last two boots, though. Another possibility would be to have a logrotate config file for that, and keep as many logs as you want. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bootlogd: /var/log/boot does not get rotated
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 03:28:31PM +0100, Stefan Krusche wrote: > Good day everyone, > > the file /var/log/boot on my system has now grown up to more than 1.2MB. > It never got rotated since I installed this system (~ June 2018). > > I looked into /etc/init.d/bootlogd and there's apparently some code to > rotate /var/log/boot under the "stop)" clause of the "case $ACTION" > construct which does a check first (line 66): > > if [ -f /var/log/boot ] && [ -f /var/log/boot~ ] > then > […] > > after which the code follows which is supposed to rotate /var/log/boot > IIUC. > > /var/log/boot~ doesn't exist. It obviously never had been created and > therefore /var/log/boot isn't rotated, I think. > > I assume this to be a bug, but as I'm not familiar with the > particularities of init scripts, I'd like to ask for your opinions > about that issue here. > Stefan, bootlogd will always log the current boot in /var/log/boot after having renamed it into /var/log/boot~. In this way you always have the log of the current boot in /var/log/boot and the log of the previous one in /var/log/boot~. So there should be no need to rotate them. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate to Beowulf
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:56:53PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 2/28/19 4:50 PM, Antonio Trkdz.tab via Dng wrote: > > > > Is the information here: > > http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 > > still relevant? > > > > no, the preferences file is not needed any more for policykit. > don't know about nvidia drivers, using mate with lightdm+elogind. > mate-power-manager is broken for me (no suspend, broken battery icon - > bug #240), so using repo hezeh.org ascii version - only one found to be > working so far. > > No pin on policykit is needed any more on Beowulf. Please remove any pin you might have on policykit and update to the latest policykit available in beowulf. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] upgrade to ascii dkim stopped working
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:30:29PM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 25-02-19 00:18, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 03:55:08PM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl > > wrote: > >> After upgrading a production server to ascii from jessie, opendkim > >> stopped working. When i start opendkim manually i get the error > >> "Starting OpenDKIM: install: cannot create directory ‘’: No such file or > >> directory". I kept the original configfiles. There is a update remark > >> from debian about when systemd is installed but of course i do not have > >> systemd installed. Someone recognizing this problem and may be knows a fix? > > All I can tell you is that I do have opendkim working on Ascii. I did > > the upgrade to Ascii about a year ago, and don't recall any major > > issues with opendkim. Might dpkg-reconfigure on the opendkim package > > help? I wish I had a more specific answer for you. > > > > Greg > > > > > Apparently opendkim 2.11 has been polluted/infected by systemd. Lots of > systemd bugreports, notes about being a native systemd daemon but simply > not working from postfix. I downgraded opendkim from 2.11 to 2.9 and > everythings is working again. > > Of course i have now put a hold on 2.9 but my other systems will stay at > jessie for the foreseeable future. > Hi Nick, I don't know how you concluded that opendkim has been infected by systemd, and that this might result in a breakage. As a matter of fact, opendkim has no dependency on systemd or systemd-related stuff, not even indirect ones. I guess the opendkim package might be shipping a systemd unit file, but that cannot cause any breakage, since it is just a declarative initialisation file interpreted by systemd. And there is no way to get systemd running in Devuan, unless you download it from Debian repos. There must be something else going on, since there are several reports of perfectly-working opendkim installations in ascii and beowulf. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current status of Gnome desktop?
On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:39:09PM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote: [cut] > > > > Also, I see no need to take this off list. As I understand it, > > accessibility is one of the pillars of devuan. Feel free to ask if you > > can't hunt down answers to other questions on your own, and I'll do my > > best to help. > > > > Greg > > Just for completeness, I'll mention the minimal-live isos - > https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/minimal-live/ - which were > created specifically for those with accessibility issues with feedback from > the speakup community. > Just as a further clarification: please consider that minimal-live does not offer any GUI access, only a command-line interface. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] is a point release a good idea?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 06:25:38PM -0600, Héctor González via Dng wrote: > Hi, I recently downloaded the install isos for ascii and noticed they are a > bit over 6 months old. > > I wonder if it would be a good idea to update them with say 2.0.1 ascii (or > whatever version makes sense), so they have updated apt-* packages and the > security issues around upgrading those are not part of the first time > installation concerns. > > does this make sense? > Hi Hector, we had already planned a point release for Ascii a few weeks ago. We will hopefully work on it in the next weeks. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Tesla bypasses systemd for runit
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 08:04:21PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Apparently Tesla has chosen runit as the init system for the Tesla's > on-board computer. > > https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/92uu0x/model_3_has_a_hidden_web_browser/ > > I've seen other references to this, websearching the phrases runit and > tesla. I guess they wanted to avoid that the car suddenly started running in circles when your cheeky kid put the wrong kind of candy-wrap in a vent [1]... :P HND KatolaZ [1] https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2019/q1/140 -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [car...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4393-1] systemd security update]
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:44:01PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 18/02/2019 à 23:38, KatolaZ a écrit : > > Please upgrade your systemd packages :P > > It's automatic and unattended on Devuan (~: > > Oh, that's very bad, unexpected, and unwanted I guess. Please file a detailed bug report :P HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [car...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4393-1] systemd security update]
Please upgrade your systemd packages :P HND KatolaZ - Forwarded message from Salvatore Bonaccorso - Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:03:13 + From: Salvatore Bonaccorso To: debian-security-annou...@lists.debian.org Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 4393-1] systemd security update -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 - - Debian Security Advisory DSA-4393-1 secur...@debian.org https://www.debian.org/security/ Salvatore Bonaccorso February 18, 2019 https://www.debian.org/security/faq - - Package: systemd CVE ID : CVE-2019-6454 Chris Coulson discovered a flaw in systemd leading to denial of service. An unprivileged user could take advantage of this issue to crash PID1 by sending a specially crafted D-Bus message on the system bus. For the stable distribution (stretch), this problem has been fixed in version 232-25+deb9u9. We recommend that you upgrade your systemd packages. For the detailed security status of systemd please refer to its security tracker page at: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/systemd Further information about Debian Security Advisories, how to apply these updates to your system and frequently asked questions can be found at: https://www.debian.org/security/ Mailing list: debian-security-annou...@lists.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEERkRAmAjBceBVMd3uBUy48xNDz0QFAlxq1wZfFIAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDQ2 NDQ0MDk4MDhDMTcxRTA1NTMxRERFRTA1NENCOEYzMTM0M0NGNDQACgkQBUy48xND z0SSQA/9GlUDe3irg4c81ZItUwSLkWQZH7khlFUDPZnxjpZoCeTuGxrVr/uXkaDe XXbe1Mdsz+Aq02WORpMxLRZ8ThV2dq0/ESH3b6amGCV1k5dtTT1CkGMDJOoZ66RP mwf7/w0LczYmZOdPJ0VoFD/k6pE8ufY8QobvZmzvtTtmvfhJAaBKYJlayUf1EiO4 RBtLwbibUgMPAuMob7rcnrfH6ntSIVkvSZ9fKSJHGHn+DSOg0CoNF0d4eAA6FwXS aOyu/EkmAzPWQxj+Y1k4cHwA3P25tOSXuAOBE8X+2rmSlsEvsUXbojZjdHTRyJ4o KsdrOsSHwFNJuwsj6MERz6uE1DTCKcuuvaEA36k3RjqIWcEeHTaGAvNMQtCnToE8 /4ukWYP2Tru//sz27LP16Sn7sycoRt701pVxluhv33zb6ggMc+YyJkBNphazy7l3 1zSwJrEbL+ZEK3Q9llDRauKZoO5bWR/WZPExv/2LooTxG6g7TDg39vLCobMr7dtK ZPnT+YlcanirvJgn8onQ3WMLpaj7NPhNfVAnl46Qth5FWodZ27CRHMihRAUqDcVs oNg3teA8ikAXi4qbxESi3eDFL+4QS/63U+jFAhyWcPjS4RX8p3d/3yNwQ4Sb5XC7 0UvEWZLfdjucDm7Vp6uODi8KA8lcdqVDd4bLr/ak4RJbKtHn040= =kbxi -END PGP SIGNATURE- - End forwarded message - -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xdm broken?
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 06:58:01AM +1100, Ozi Traveller via Dng wrote: > Hi Alessandro > > Th existing install was working with slim. However after installing xdm > startx run as a normal user wouldn't start, but it did run as root. > Ozi, please have a look at the Ascii release notes: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt there is a section on X and how to run it from user. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] iptables forced obsolescence over upgrade
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:25:36PM +, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > Of the most stupid thing to happen over an upgrade.. Debian have forcibly > broken a security feature. Which is to say, don't expect your firewall to > still be functioning when you upgrade to Buster. And expect it to cause > network failure. > > Short story, I upgraded an ascii system to Beowulf since Buster is now > entering soft freeze if Debian have kept to their timetable. But surprise of > all surprises, my network isn't working. > > Why? Because I restore my _iptables_ rules when bringing up interfaces. > Apparently you must now use nftables and this was causing the ifupdown > scripts to fail failure because the if-up script returns a failure. > > As far as I can see iptables is now called 'iptables-legacy' and 'iptables' > actually uses nft. But btw, iptables is not deprecated in the kernel at all. > > nft is very counter intuitive and nowhere near as simple as iptables, > actually I'd need a day off and then some to learn it. Before someone thinks > it it yes I know about the conversion tool but that's useless when you know > something sucks and you just don't want it to begin with. > chillfan, I have several beowulf machines and all use iptables, and none of them has had that issue. Maybe I have not apt-get updated recently. Could it just be a quirk of if-up? Shall we try to track the issue down? On another note: before a useless ranftul flame gets started, please note that as chillfan said iptables is not going away from the Linux kernel. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] unatternded upgrades by default in Debian
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 09:14:45PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: [cut] > > It's pulled in through a recommends by python3-software-properties which > itself is depended on by libreoffice-kde by way of a dependency on the > software-properties-kde package. The libreoffice-kde package is > recommended by task-kde-desktop. > OK. noted, thanks. [cut] > > It's in my todo-list, but I would be grateful of you would be so kind > > to please open a bug on bugs.devuan.org, so we are sure we don't > > forget it. > > Against which package? > Against tasksel, please. > BTW, why again are we trying so hard to not pull in unattended-upgrades? > I think I lost track and considering my own Devuan (server) experiences, > which have been good, I'm not quite sure I still understand :-/ > Because this is something that users should be aware of, and clearly notified about. We are neither Microsoft nor Apple. Unattended upgrades should be used by people who know what they want out of it. If you know (as you do, in this case), you also know how to find, install, and configure it. If you don't know what this is about, and unattended-upgrades is installed, you start believing in ghosts :) > # It was my Debian server that needed a dbus cluebat ... ;-) > # And then only because I insist on self-inflicted "pain" by telling APT > # to not install recommended packages in the first place. > > Your average KDE/GNOME desktop user might actually appreciate their > security upgrades getting applied "behind their backs" or "without user > intervention", depending on your point of view. > Let's be honest: considering security an automatic process is just a myth, and a quite misleading one, IMHO :) There is no single size that fits all the possible uses of unattended-upgrades, and while some users might find it desirable, some others might find that the "smart" upgrade silently broke their setup, in a way or another. This was the case with several important upgrades of stuff like php or mysql/mariadb in the past (mainly due to local customisations, I admit, but still, a sysadmin is free to do what they want on the system they manage...). In general, in a server environment an admin wants to make sure that an upgrade actually does not stop the running services from doing their job as planned. Especially if there are customisations and/or other hacks put in place to hold things together. IMHO, the reasonable solution is to make sure that unattended-upgrades does not slip in a standard Devuan installation unnoticed, under any circumstance. If a user know about it and want it running, it's just an `apt-get install` away. My2Cents katolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] unatternded upgrades by default in Debian
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:03:27PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: [cut] > > As long as parl-desktop cannot be selected in the installer, I would > have said you were right if it weren't for what follows below. > Dear Olaf, I double-checked and there is no task-parl-desktop in Devuan. There is a parl-desktop meta-package (a blend, "DebianParl desktop for parliamentary work", sic!) and it would indeed bring in unattended-upgrades (it's a Depends there). However, that meta-package is not selectable at install timein Devuan. Similarly, task-gnome-desktop is not available in the Devuan installer. None of the available task-*-desktop options brings in unattended-upgrades (even with --install-recommends), with the only exception of task-kde-desktop with --install-recommends. We need to track down what is bringing it in, and remove it. It's in my todo-list, but I would be grateful of you would be so kind to please open a bug on bugs.devuan.org, so we are sure we don't forget it. Thanks a lot KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] unatternded upgrades by default in Debian
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:03:27PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: [cut] > > Checking the other way around with (notice the lack of an 'r' on the > depends!) on, for example, task-gnome-desktop > > apt-cache depends --recurse \ > --no-suggests \ > --no-conflicts \ > --no-breaks \ > --no-replaces \ > --no-enhances \ > task-gnome-desktop \ > | grep unattended-upgrades > > yields a "Recommends: unattended-upgrades". > > Further investigation shows that that is courtesy of > python3-software-properties, which is depended on by > software-properties-common-gtk, which is depended on by > gnome-software, which is a dependency for > gnome-core which is a requirement for > task-gnome-desktop. > Thanks Olaf for the detailed report. task-gnome-desktop is not available in the devuan installer, but we definitely need to make sure that unattended-upgrades is not automatically installed by any of the stuff selectable in tasksel. I will go through your comments and make sure that this is the case. Thanks a lot KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] unatternded upgrades by default in Debian
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 09:12:24PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi KatolaZ, > > KatolaZ writes: > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:08:22AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> > >> I'm using this on two Devuan machines at the office. Works fine for > >> me. Apart from running the `apt upgrade` it can also check for the need to > >> reboot and provides a number of knobs to fine tune when, how and under > >> what conditions to upgrade/reboot. > >> > > > > Hi Olaf, > > > > have you found unattended-upgrades automatically installed on those > > two boxen, or have you instead apt-get installed it afterwards? > > Afterwards. Both are servers and I have a habit of doing > Thanks a lot. [cut] > > regular bug, so at that time we must have concluded that no special > > "burial ceremony" was in order :D > > Searching ... found it! Apologies for misremembering. The bug was with > systemd-sysv and happened on the one Debian server I'm also maintaining. > It was exposed by unattended-upgrades' `shutdown -r` in the absence of > dbus. That server also got the "zap everything that's not really needed > and keep it that way" APT treatment above ;-) > > For those interested in the details, see > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898388 > I have the impression that that one might have already been solved in the latest versions of sysvinit anyway (if it ever was a problem for sysvinit). But yes, it is sad that dbus is required in Debian also for such simple tasks :\ HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] correct repos for running testing/unstable?
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:33:18AM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 2/13/19 12:09 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > > Are you using pkgmaster in your sources and with experimental and ceres > > too? > > > i'm using repos below, but what's the correct repos for running devuan > "testing/unstable"? is experimental needed? : > > deb http://gr.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main > deb http://gr.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main > deb http://gr.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main > > deb http://gr.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main You don't need ceres (unstable), unless you really want to, and you know exactly what you are doing. Please take into account that buster (the upstream for beowulf) will enter freeze in a couple of weeks. At that point, unstable and testing will start diverging, maybe considerably, and if you keep ceres in your repos you will basically end up with ceres, not beowulf. > > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan beowulf main > you don't need this repo, since it contains just the Devuan-specific packages that are available in /merged beowulf above. There is *no need* to use experimental with beowulf. It was needed until a couple of weeks ago since a few packages had not been updated yet in beowulf, but that should be fixed by now. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] 2nd User cannot create icons/launcher-XFCE
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 10:36:02AM +1100, terryc wrote: > I've just assembled a new machine and intalled Devuan Ascii > from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso with update and upgrade from > pkgmanager. > > The desktop is XFCE4 and the first installation user can create desktop > icons/launchers and have then run/start, but the added second user can > not achieve similar success. > > The icon/launcher can be entered but it fails to launch and > gives a general multipart message of reasons for error, of which the > only relevant part is something about "policy". > > The problem has to be some setting in XFCE, but I can not workout > which as this sort of issue hasn't arisen on linux in the previous > decades. > > I've checked /etc/group and nothing springs to mind. > Both users are members of sudo, backup and the usual scanner, audio, > cdrom, etc. > > The second user can start programs from the command line and the > Screen-right-click->Application->area-program function. > > Unfortunately web-fu isn't clicking this morning to help and I'm hoping > some one may be able to provide information. > Hi terryc, if this is still outstanding, could you please file a bug on bugs.devuan.org? Regards KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf: eudev does not start at boot, making Xorg unusable
On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 03:56:18PM +0100, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba wrote: > Hi KatolaZ. > > Just for curiosity, in case this has a simple and fast response, > ¿Any idea why it didn't fail in rescue mode? > > I find it 'interesting', because AFAIK there should be no difference > among runlevels in this case. ¿Or it should? > > Thanks, > Salo. Sorry but I have no clue on that. Maybe that openrc has additional checks on service scripts, which are not put in place if you manually run them? (Just wondering, indeed, since I have not have the opportunity to test this). HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [Solved] Help testing new policykit in Beowulf
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:58:44PM +, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:35:22PM +, stanz wrote: > > > Could you make sure policykit-1-gnome is installed and then try again. > > > > Was Not Installed - installed, & after Reboot, IT WORKS! > > > > Would this fix make that package become a dependency(at install)? > > > > And would this justify a bug report, adding the need to install 2 different > > pkgs, > > to get 2 different programs working proper? > > What are the names of the 2 different packages - to report? (I don't know :) > > Good! > > By all means file a bug report against policykit-1. But I already have a patch > for policykit-1 to add Recommends: polkit-1-auth-agent queued for inclusion. > > Once you have policykit-1-gnome installed do you still need gvfs? > > Mark > Thanks Mark. We shall perhaps open a bug report on that, and check that all the deps in tasksel are in place for Beowulf. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] unatternded upgrades by default in Debian
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:08:22AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: [cut] > > I'm using this on two Devuan machines at the office. Works fine for > me. Apart from running the `apt upgrade` it can also check for the need to > reboot and provides a number of knobs to fine tune when, how and under > what conditions to upgrade/reboot. > Hi Olaf, have you found unattended-upgrades automatically installed on those two boxen, or have you instead apt-get installed it afterwards? > Of course, you are free to invent a better wheel ;-) > > BTW, on Devuan I did run into an issue because of a missing dependency > that didn't happen on Debian courtesy of systemd. Can't seem to find > the bug report I filed way back when at the moment but it was rather > unceremoniously closed. > If the bug you are referring to is thts one: https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=78 it was closed because we forked the package and solved the issue (or at least we thought so). We haven't had any other report of misfunctioning unattended-upgrades since. I think it looked like a regular bug, so at that time we must have concluded that no special "burial ceremony" was in order :D And please, if you believe at any time that a bug report is still valid, and should have not been closed, just *reopen* it. There are humans over here, humans who don't have access to all your machines and cannot try all of the almost infinite number of combinations in which a package can find itself :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] unatternded upgrades by default in Debian
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 08:32:25AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I just found the following comment on Soylent News: > > > https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=30051&page=1&cid=799766#commentwrap > > > > > As of Debian 9 (Stretch) both the unattended-upgrades and > > apt-listchanges packages are installed by default and upgrades are > > enabled with the GNOME desktop. Rudimentary configuration is > > accessible via the "Software & Updates" application > > (software-properties-gtk). > > > it's a Debian thing that depend on systemd to start at reboot > > > Sounds like something we don't want. > Sorry Hendrik, but instead of citing an anonymous post on an unknown blog with rants about Debian and other Debian derivatives (among a lot of other unrelated things), have you actually seen unattended-upgrades installed "automatically and by default" in any Devuan installation? I am asking because I can safely say I have installed Devuan literally hundreds of times (Jessie, Ascii, Beowulf, and Ceres), and in no occasion was unattended-upgrades installed by default, on any install path, or brought in as a Depends or as a Recommends. I am also maintaining `tasksel` in Devuan, and I cannot see any installation selection that would bring in unattended-upgrades by default.[*] Could everybody please report immediately on any such case, if it happened, so that we can track the problem down (I mean, a new Devuan install where unattended-upgrades is silently installed and automatically enabled)? We should try to solve the problems we have, not the problems we might have had if we were using another distribution at another time... :\ HND KatolaZ [*] AFAIK, there is no way to have unattended-upgrades installed by default in Debian either, but I am not 100% sure about that. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..should we set up our own usage policy wizard script?, was: OpenSSH: delay on beowulf
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:25:03AM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2019 Mon, 11 Feb 10:51:09 +0100 > Didier Kryn scripsit: > > Le 10/02/2019 à 18:19, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : > > >> > > >> There's nothing in the logs. It just takes verry long to start. > > > > > > Tried to set LogLevel in sshd_config? > > > > or launch sshd with the -d option ? > > > > > > Didier > > Hi! > > The problem only exists if all of these conditions are met: > > - kernel 4.19. from beowulf > - network up, but DNS of ISP not reacting in time or dhcpcd did not get a > lease > - sshd_config has "UseDNS yes" > - first try to start sshd after boot > > The problem is solved by "UseDNS no" in sshd_config. > > Now that sshd uses DNS on first startup is quite surprising - at least it was > for me. This is something you must have specified in your sshd_config, since the default for sshd is to *not* UseDNS. From `man sshd_config`: UseDNS Specifies whether sshd(8) should look up the remote host name, and to check that the resolved host name for the re‐ mote IP address maps back to the very same IP address. If this option is set to no (the default) then only addresses and not host names may be used in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys from and sshd_config Match Host directives. So sshd is trying to make sure that the IP it is listening on actually maps back to the hostname. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..should we set up our own usage policy wizard script?, was: OpenSSH: delay on beowulf
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:44:33PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 08:24:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > But *what* exactly are you claiming is "calling home"? Do you have any > > real example of what you say or the rant just spilled off the tinfoil > > hat? > > > > Please stop spreading FUD. If you don't need ssh, mail, or whatever > > otherq service, just `apt-get remove --purge` them. > > The problem is that a number of unexpected programs call home. Just one > example: clementine, a nice music player. By default, it contacts a > crapload of servers to grab song lyrics, last.fm (whatever that is) play > counts, something something "scrobbler" (?), and so on. That's for regular > 100% local .mp3/.ogg/.opus files. I have no idea of what that is, but since it's a music player I am pretty sure it is not started "at boot", and from a strictly technical point of view it is not "calling home", rather contacting external services (unless it has been developed by last.fm). > > Or, our oh-so-beloved init virus -- its "networkd" part, if it fails to > obtain a DNS resolver via DHCP, the resolver responds slowly during probing, > or is otherwise temporarily unavailable -- networkd will then send to Google > information about every single TCP connection you make (as next to no user > programs cache DNS queries). > That's a systemd component, which is not present in Devuan. As such, it might be your problem if you use systemd, but not ours. And again, from a strictly technical point of view, it's not "calling home", rather using an external service without notifying the user. Which is very bad, but it's not "calling home": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoning_home since systemd is not developed by google (at least not overtly). We should be *very* careful about what we claim, and the words we use. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..should we set up our own usage policy wizard script?, was: OpenSSH: delay on beowulf
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 06:19:04PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > ..fishy. One thing I see on my ascii boxes, is ifup, dhcp etc > networking during boot-up, _before_ I can log in. It's down > as I get to log in. > > ..I can see merit on such network activity on ssh, mail etc headless > server boxes, but _not_ on a "single seat" laptop, unless it's stolen. > > ..that kinda laptops should and/or should not "call home" home before > its owner has decided when, where (home, work, diner, strip club...) > and by whom (owner, spouse, kids, boss, guest, one night stander etc) > said laptop is being utilized for which purpose (e.g. email, porn, "Hi > mom, sorry I missed church, I'm in love, can we come for dinner?", tax > report, weather chk, espionage etc). > o_O But *what* exactly are you claiming is "calling home"? Do you have any real example of what you say or the rant just spilled off the tinfoil hat? Please stop spreading FUD. If you don't need ssh, mail, or whatever otherq service, just `apt-get remove --purge` them. You can easily have a machine without anything network-related at all. There is indeed no need to have a mailserver on a laptop, but from here to saying that anything is "calling home" during boot there are a few long miles to go. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii Multimedia -- /etc/apt/sources.list
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 06:24:51PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Hi, > > What /etc/apt/sources.list entries should we now use for Devuan ascii > for multimedia. > > > This is what I previously used with Deuan jessie: > (and it seemed to be okay) > > # deb-multimedia > deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free > > Those should not be needed any more, thanks to the efforts of the Debian Multimedia team (to not be confused with deb-multimedia.org). Please have a look at: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OpenSSH: delay on beowulf
On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 10:59:37PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hi! > > I just updated 2 testmachines from ascii to beowulf. Three things are fishy: > > 1) starting OpenSSH takes ~ 10 seconds with or without network cable > attached. I have not seen this on ascii. Have a look at the sshd log. Several sshd config options have been obsoleted recently. This might be slowing the startup down. But the log shall help you. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf: eudev does not start at boot, making Xorg unusable
On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 12:39:34PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > >On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 01:23:11PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > > On 2/9/19 12:01 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > What you seem to have in common is openrc (while I am on vanilla > > > sysvinit). You should check that the udev/eudev service script is in > > > place and/or it is trying to run the correct thing. > > > > i think i found the problem. it's just a typo most probably. > > > > line 5 in /etc/init.d/eudev , change unmountroot -> umountroot > > > > tried broken version 3.2.7-5 again and saw just a flash of a message > > during boot: "eudev requires unmountroot" or something similar, and > > eudev failed. then checked init.d/eudev and show the typo. replaced it, > > and i was able to boot correctly with newer version. > > Good Dimitris. Will fix it and rebuild eudev. Will keep you posted. > Just to confirm that eudev_3.2.7-6 is now in Beowulf (and in unstable). This should solve the issue. Please upgrade and report. Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [cor...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4387-1] openssh security update]
Please see the advisory below. Upgrade to the latest versions is highly recommended. Regards KatolaZ - Forwarded message from Yves-Alexis Perez - Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:29:00 +0100 From: Yves-Alexis Perez To: debian-security-annou...@lists.debian.org Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 4387-1] openssh security update -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 - - Debian Security Advisory DSA-4387-1 secur...@debian.org https://www.debian.org/security/Yves-Alexis Perez February 09, 2019 https://www.debian.org/security/faq - - Package: openssh CVE ID : CVE-2018-20685 CVE-2019-6109 CVE-2019-6111 Debian Bug : 793412 919101 Harry Sintonen from F-Secure Corporation discovered multiple vulnerabilities in OpenSSH, an implementation of the SSH protocol suite. All the vulnerabilities are in found in the scp client implementing the SCP protocol. CVE-2018-20685 Due to improper directory name validation, the scp client allows servers to modify permissions of the target directory by using empty or dot directory name. CVE-2019-6109 Due to missing character encoding in the progress display, the object name can be used to manipulate the client output, for example to employ ANSI codes to hide additional files being transferred. CVE-2019-6111 Due to scp client insufficient input validation in path names sent by server, a malicious server can do arbitrary file overwrites in target directory. If the recursive (-r) option is provided, the server can also manipulate subdirectories as well. . The check added in this version can lead to regression if the client and the server have differences in wildcard expansion rules. If the server is trusted for that purpose, the check can be disabled with a new -T option to the scp client. For the stable distribution (stretch), these problems have been fixed in version 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u5. We recommend that you upgrade your openssh packages. For the detailed security status of openssh please refer to its security tracker page at: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/openssh Further information about Debian Security Advisories, how to apply these updates to your system and frequently asked questions can be found at: https://www.debian.org/security/ Mailing list: debian-security-annou...@lists.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEE8vi34Qgfo83x35gF3rYcyPpXRFsFAlxe0w0ACgkQ3rYcyPpX RFs85AgA0GrSHO4Qf5FVsE3oXa+nMkZ4U6pbOA9dHotX54DEyNuIJrOsOv01cFxQ t2Z6uDkZptmHZT4uSWg2xIgMvpkGo9906ziZfHc0LTuHl8j++7cCDIDGZBm/iZaX ueQfl85gHDpte41JvUtpSBAwk1Bic7ltLUPDIGEiq6nQboxHIzsU7ULVb1l0wNxF sEFDPWGBS01HTa+QWgQaG/wbEhMRDcVz1Ck7dqpT2soQRohDWxU01j14q1EKe9O9 GHiWECvFSHBkkI/v8lNfSWnOWYa/+Aknri0CpjPc/bqh2Yx9rgp/Q5+FJ/FxJjmC bHFd+tbxB1LxEO96zKguYpPIzw7Kcw== =5Fd8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - End forwarded message - -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf: eudev does not start at boot, making Xorg unusable
>On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 01:23:11PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 2/9/19 12:01 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > What you seem to have in common is openrc (while I am on vanilla > > sysvinit). You should check that the udev/eudev service script is in > > place and/or it is trying to run the correct thing. > > i think i found the problem. it's just a typo most probably. > > line 5 in /etc/init.d/eudev , change unmountroot -> umountroot > > tried broken version 3.2.7-5 again and saw just a flash of a message > during boot: "eudev requires unmountroot" or something similar, and > eudev failed. then checked init.d/eudev and show the typo. replaced it, > and i was able to boot correctly with newer version. Good Dimitris. Will fix it and rebuild eudev. Will keep you posted. Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf: eudev does not start at boot, making Xorg unusable
On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 01:40:16AM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > > > - init system > > openrc 0.40.3-1 > What you seem to have in common is openrc (while I am on vanilla sysvinit). You should check that the udev/eudev service script is in place and/or it is trying to run the correct thing. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf: eudev does not start at boot, making Xorg unusable
On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 12:38:06AM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > hey, > > On 2/8/19 10:53 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > > � I shut down the DM, started eudev manually and I could recover the GUI. > > > > it was also reported in the forum today : > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2653 > and a bug report yesterday : > https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=290 > I know, but any additional information would be useful (since I am currently unable to reproduce the issue). E.g.: - DE - session manager - login manager - init system - kernel version - sysvinit version - Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf: eudev does not start at boot, making Xorg unusable
On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 09:53:44PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Hello, > > This afternoon I happened to be surprised I could not use my > laptop's GUI because the screen was unresponsive to both keyboard and > mouse. The laptop was not frozen though, a clock in the DM display was > running. > > Logging-in from another PC I found out Xorg's log lacked any line > about keyboard and mouse configuration. This was due to the fact eudev > failed to start at boot. > > I shut down the DM, started eudev manually and I could recover the GUI. > > Hi, any logs about eudev activity or errors would be more than welcome. Thanks KatolaZ P.S.: I am on beowulf and using the same version of eudev, and have no problems with X. There must be something interacting with the new version of eudev. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] some issues with the minimal-live iso as a rescue tool
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 03:45:57PM +0100, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba wrote: [cut] > > I found that the packages mdadm (for RAID) and lvm2 (for LVM) were not > installed > in the 'minimal-live', so I had to install them prior to use them. > > This would have been an embarrasing situation in case I had no network > connection, > but fortunately it was not the case. > > So I think those packages should be ready-to-use in the minimal-live, > specially as > it is announced as a rescue tool. RAID and LVM are not something 'rare', I > guess. > Hi Salo, that's a very good point, indeed. Will add the packages in the next release or point release. > I would report a bug, but I don't know how to do it. ¿Is there a 'Package' > related > to the build of the 'minimal-live' iso? ¿How to check if there are bugs > already related to this? > It would make sense to file a bug against: Package: minimal-live Version: 2.0.0 There are a couple of closed bugs on that "package": https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=minimal-live > Also, I would have appreciated to find in the web an exhaustive list of > packages > installed in every iso. ¿Is there that list anywhere? > We actually had those lists for Jessie: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/minimal-live/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_minimal-live_list.txt, but yes, we forgot to put them online for Ascii. That's a very good point. We will include the lists on files.devuan.org ASAP. Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org, couple of questions
On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 04:06:34AM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 2/1/19 9:49 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 08:24:28PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > >> > >> - https://bugs.devuan.org/240 > >> latest emails come first, signed email info/signature included > >> > >> - https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=240 > >> first email comes first, signed email info excluded, signature attached, > >> better reading experience overall. > >> > > > > > > One of them points to a static version of the page, generated > > off-line, which has emails in reverse order. The other one to a page > > created on the fly by a cgi. I knew about this issue but I did not > > have time to look into it. I have adjusted the rewrite to point to the > > cgi version. > > > FYI, > there are links to static pages for bugs.devuan.org also here : > https://bugs.devuan.org/Access.html (link there from first page) > url like : https://bugs.devuan.org/db/24/240.html > these also show up in search engine results. > > first page has links to cgi pages. > > maybe that's correct, just thought i mention it here. Yeah, I know. debbugs is an old Perl beast, and it's not easy to tame it to your will :) We just needed something functional in place, and we have it. Anybody willing to delve into debbugs and improve it is more than welcome. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken
On Sat, Feb 02, 2019 at 09:43:26PM +0100, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: [cut] > > No, one is a Lenovo ThinkPad T510i, the other a ThinkStation something > (i'm away from that one now). > > One thing that may be an issue is that I had the Debian multimedia > repository active when I ran ASCII. You don't need debian multimedia since wheezy. Just disable them, and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. My2Cents KatolaZ P.S.: I didn't have any problem on an x220, which hardware-wise is indeed very similar to the t510. -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken
On Sat, Feb 02, 2019 at 06:20:50PM +0100, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: > I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It > needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the > dist-upgrade a couple of times and removing a couple of things. But it > boots and works ok now. > > With the exeption of GIMP. That one gives the following error: > > $ gimp > gimp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgegl-0.4.so.0: > undefined symbol: babl_format_with_space Hi Harald, I have been on Beowulf for about 9 months now, and gimp (2.10.8-2) works absolutely fine. Is your machine a rpi, by any chance? In that case, you should still keel archive.raspberrypi.org enabled, and get the libgegl packages from there. I had a similar issue with kodi, and using the packages rebuilt for rpi solved the problem. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org, couple of questions
On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 08:24:28PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > hey all, > > couple of questions around bugs.devuan.org. > > 1) send my first mail yesterday for an existing bug in bugs.devuan.org > and spotted these differences in web interface: > > - https://bugs.devuan.org/240 > latest emails come first, signed email info/signature included > > - https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=240 > first email comes first, signed email info excluded, signature attached, > better reading experience overall. > > so this looks different, is this right? > shouldn't they both point to a single bug report page? One of them points to a static version of the page, generated off-line, which has emails in reverse order. The other one to a page created on the fly by a cgi. I knew about this issue but I did not have time to look into it. I have adjusted the rewrite to point to the cgi version. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ¿A bug in eudev CD/DVD rules?
On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 06:30:13PM +0100, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba wrote: > The file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-cdrom_id.rules provided > by the eudev package contains the following lines > (removed lines are marked with [...]): > Hi Gonzalo, which version of eudev are we talking about, please? HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
