[DNG] Interesting Read on Linux Permissions
I was "aware" of this, but I don't know that I understood it. I'm actually not sure that I understand it now, but I'm more aware of it than I was before. https://medium.com/@boutnaru/linux-security-capabilities-part-1-63c6d2ceb8bf -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL
Harald and Nick - Thank you both for the responses. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 5:18 PM d...@d404.nl wrote: > On 15-07-2021 23:02, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: > > Linux O'Beardly via Dng [15.07.2021 19:57]: > > > >> Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution > >> from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a > >> Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be > >> greatly appreciated. > > Not from a docker image, but I installed Debian and upgraded to Devuan. > > Same here, i upgraded from Debian Buster to Devuan Beowulf. > Running Linux containers on Windows with WSL works like a charm too > although there are some differences between WSL 1 and 2. > Last but not least I do have a not optimized ASCII docker image in a > private repo which I willing to share (after some cleanup). > > Grtz. > > Nick > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan for WSL
Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [FLASH] THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS HAS FALLEN
I don't really think this is the forum to discuss such things. In my opinion, politics don't belong here. I can assure you none of you want to hear my politics. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:26 PM Bruce Perens via Dng wrote: > They'll get up again. What we are seeing is the last hurrah of white > supremacists who aren't getting their way. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 11:55 AM Se7en wrote: > >> The Congress of the United States has fallen. This is NOT A JOKE. The >> United States Congress has fallen. >> >> -- >> |-/ | Se7en >> / The One and Only! | se7en@cock.email >> / | 0x0F83F93882CF6116 >>/ | https://se7en-site.neocities.org >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > -- > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually > :-) > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Made The List
10 Best Debian-Based Linux Distributions https://www.tecmint.com/debian-based-linux-distributions/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing Steam on Devuan
I'm running two ASCII installs and am running Steam on both without issue. One is a laptop with an Intel video card which I mostly just use to keep in touch with my Steam peeps. However, I have verified that it will start and run games without crashing. Although, with the Intel graphics card I can't competitively play anything other than the games based on the original Half-Life engine, like the original CS. The other is my desktop with an Nvidia 760GTX with the Nvidia proprietary drivers which I use for my primary gaming rig. I use the Steam deb binary from https://www.steampowered.com. I'm just spit-balling here, but I have seen the exact error that is listed in this thread. In my experience, it was due to the fact that when you installed your graphics driver, you didn't install the 32bit libs with it. Even if you have the 32bit system libs, it still requires a 32bit graphics libs. The Nvidia proprietary driver specifically asks about this when installing. I have never been able to play any Steam game on Linux with an ATI card. It will install and run, but the graphics are so choppy, it's unplayable. HTH, *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:06 AM hal wrote: > > > On 2/10/19 3:25 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > your box please "dpkg --add-architecture i386". > > Ahh, yes. It's there now. > > > There's a number of reason why proprietary software is bad, but if you > want > > to use it anyway, it's much better to use the packaged client which has > been > > beaten to play nice with the rest of the distribution rather than the > > vendor's version. > > Thanks. Still getting the glxChooseVisual error. Something to do with > support libs or I suspect leftovers from the downloaded package from > steampowered.com which I installed earlier. > > $ steam > ... > glXChooseVisual failed > glXChooseVisual failedMain.cpp (332) : Assertion Failed: Fatal Error: > glXChooseVisual failed > ... > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Just to clarify, I live in a state called Tennessee, and I have a southern drawl as well, however, most folks on the Devuan team have spoken to me over video chat and I'm apparently comprehensible. Airfare from where I live, in the Knoxville, TN, USA area, to Europe is usually between $1400-2300 USD. However, due to the fact the VUA has given us plenty of forewarning, I've found flights out of Atlanta, which is about a 4 hour drive, for around $650, which for my current situation is reasonable. SteveT - I don't have 6 children, but I do have 3, 19 year old identical twin daughters, and a 7 month old baby boy. You may see him here: https://www.instagram.com/linux.obeardly/ Thanks to everyone for all the great feedback. *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 4:59 PM Rick Moen wrote: > [/me nervously looks around for the listadmins before messing around > being off-topic] > > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > > > And if we find ourselves talking to a call centre in Glasgow - well > > that's worse than the ones in India :D > > Glaswegian's delightful, though, even though there's a learning curve. > Following amusing clip _slightly_ exaggerates it for comic effect: > > http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/02/02/apple-scotland-having-a-wee-bit-of-trouble/ > > Circa 1978, I found myself on the Flying Scotsman (British Rail - R.I.P.) > express train from King's Cross station, London, to Edinburgh, in a > compartment with a teenager from Tryon, North Carolina and a thorougly > drunk Scot. FWIW, I found the soused Scot's brogue easier to parse > than the displaced Southerner's drawl. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Jaromil, Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare from the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury, but I certainly hope to and look forward to fraternizing with the Devuan community. *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:37 AM Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > > >I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this > >conference will be done primarily in English or another language? > > it will be entirely in english. Also in Amsterdam you can be reassured > everyone speaks and understands english. the announce contains some > spelling mistakes that may suggest otherwise :^) and that's entirely > my fault to rush it out. > > ciao! > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this conference will be done primarily in English or another language? *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:57 PM Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > On the fourth anniversary of the birth of Devuan, > once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > # Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam! > > ## From Friday, April 5th through Sunday, April 7th 2019 > > # The power of choice > > > The Devuan Conference 2019 is a not-for-profit event, this means that > the conference fees will cover the bare cost of venue, catering, > logistics and documentation materials. > > At this stage we accept donations and offers for sponsorship: if you > like to help, contact us at or make a donation > using the description '**Devuan Conference**' directly to: > ``` > Paypal: foundat...@dyne.org > ``` > Or via bank wire to the IBAN below : > ``` > Dyne.org foundation (non-profit) > Bank: ABN-AMRO - Amsterdam, The Netherlands > IBAN: NL87ABNA0406496021 > BIC: ABNANL2A > ``` > > # Call for Sponsors > > Space at the conference is limited and we are trying to balance the > amount of registration with the size of the venue and resources > available. Hence registrations at this time are called mainly for > **talks** and **sponsors**. In two weeks we will follow up with more > information and an early bird offer for tickets. > > Please do consider sponsoring this event! We will work hard to give > you and all the conference attendees all the visibility deserved. > > Send your sponsorship proposal to with the > word `sponsor` in the subject. > > If we have enough sponsors to cover all costs we'll be able to grant > free entrance! > > # Call for Papers > > Devuan Conference 2019 is YOUR conference! Please share your ideas and > passion. > > > If you would you like to: > - present on a Devuan-related topic, or > - report on a particularly successful/unexpected/original use of Devuan, or > - host a Devuan-related workshop for users or developers, or > - run a Devuan-focused hacking session, or > - > > Then please contact us at > > If you like to propose a talk please send us a title, description, > length in minutes and any URL or PDF via email, please also include > the word '**CFP**' in the subject. > > # Travel and accomodation > > The costs for reaching and staying in Amsterdam are entirely on > participants, but we hope that by releasing early this call everyone > has enough time to conveniently book a place in this beautiful city > and perhaps allow a couple extra days to visit it and hang out. > > # Live streaming and recording > > The conference will be a great occasion to have in-depth interviews > with developers and adopters as well plenary sessions of Q with the > public, in the hope to exchange more information about the future of > Devuan. The event will be streamed live and recorded and all > recordings will be freely made available online. > > Journalists interested to participate are welcome to contact us, we > will prepare a press folder and make sure they can reach anyone they > want to interview. > > # Contact > > For any further questions please feel free to contact our conference > organisation committee via email at we are > happy to receive suggestions and wishes and requests, to make this the > best possible conference for our community > > # Further steps > > Thanks for reading up to hear! if you or anyone else is interested > please make sure to subscribe our devuan-announce list here: > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-announce > updates will follow in the coming months, meanwhile if you are sure to > attend make sure to reserve your tickets and stay in Amsterdam: on 5-7 > April 2019 the very first Devuan Conference is happening! > > Happy Hacking! > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Excessive Bounces
Hey all, Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce errors from the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my account. I'm not having any issues with any of my other mailing lists. -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Nagios Icons
Does anyone with more patience and/or graphics experience have any 40x40 Devuan icons I can use for Nagios? -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Failure installing eclipse on jessie
I am currently using the following mirrors on Devuan Jessie: deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main contrib non-free deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-proposed-updates main contrib non-free deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free After an apt-get update, I was able to install both libcommons-pool-java and eclipse from the above mentioned repos without issue. I would suggest changing your repos, dumping and refreshing your package cache, and try installing again. HTH, Linux O'Beardly On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 8:54 PM, <lpb+dev...@kandl.houston.tx.us> wrote: > On jessie, I'm having trouble the eclipse package, because I am getting > a 404 on a java package. Here's the error I get: > > Err tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/ jessie/main > libcommons-pool-java all 1.6-2 > HttpError404 > > Here is my sources.list: > > deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie main contrib > deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-updates main contrib > deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-security main contrib > > Any suggestions appreciated. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] amprolla.devuan.org and list of alternative package mirrors
Anytime. Just happy to be a part of it all. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:18 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 09:07:54AM -0500, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > > This should be remedied now as Jaromil updated the DNS entry this > morning. > > It will just take time to propagate. > > > > Presently, if you need to hit the server, it's reachable at 12.153.3.30. > > > > Great O'Beardly! Thanks a lot! > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] amprolla.devuan.org and list of alternative package mirrors
This should be remedied now as Jaromil updated the DNS entry this morning. It will just take time to propagate. Presently, if you need to hit the server, it's reachable at 12.153.3.30. -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:29 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > Dear D1rs, > > as you might have notices, amprolla.devuan.org is currently > unreachable due to an unpredicted outage. This means that some of the > users using auto.mirror.devuan.org will not be able to install/upgrade > packages. > > In the meanwhile, you can use any of the Devuan package mirrors below: > > pkgmaster.devuan.org > sledjhamr.org/devuan > mirror.4isp.it > mirror.koddos.net/devuan/devuan > devuan.alcooland.it > devuan.dcc.uchile.cl > mirror.smallinnovations.nl > devuan.mine.nu > mirror.vpgrp.io > ftp.fau.de/devuan > > Notice that you might need to update the package "devuan-keyring", > especially if you have not apt-get upgrad-ed in the last two months. > > We are in the process of putting in place a proper CDN for the mirror > infrastructure, that's why we haven't advertised those mirrors > widely. We will put the current list on the website ASAP. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Amprolla Move Due to Network Outage
Dear Devuan Family, Due to a network outage in my primary location, I've had to relocate the amprolla.devuan.org server to a new colocation. The ISP was suggesting that it may be days before I'm back online so I felt the move prudent. Amprolla now has an IP address of 12.153.3.30. I've sent an email to Jaromil, Nextime, and Centurion Dan asking for a DNS update, but if there is someone else on this list that can do it immediately, that would be great too! The new location has a much larger internet connection. (50Mbps full-duplex fiber) This is, at least, a semi-permanent move as the server will serve our community better from this new location. Downside: This data center is at my disposal only because of my current employment and if I leave, I will have to move it back to my previous data center that only has 10Mbps full-duplex over copper. Nonetheless, we're in good shape for now. Apologies for the unplanned outage. Thanks, -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] BookStack on Devuan 1.0.0 (Jessie)
For any that may be interested, I just submitted a pull request for an install script for BookStack on Devuan 1.0.0. Whether or not they accept it is another story, but you can clone my repo here: https://github.com/obeardly/devops.git or just grab the file here: https://github.com/obeardly/devops/tree/master/scripts If you're looking for a self-hosted Confluence alternative, I personally believe BookStack to be the best. At the moment, I believe BookStack is English only. I hope this is useful to someone besides myself. On a side note, I'm very close to completely replacing all Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and CentOS systems at my new company. In another 6 weeks, with the exception of our virtual hosts, we will be all Devuan on both our virtual guests and bare metal. -- Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Error after upgrade debian wheezy to devuan jessie...
Thomas,
First, it seems that you're actually trying to install different revisions
of the same package. You had libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u9) in your first email,
and libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u10) in your second. While this is a minor
difference, I've seen it cause issues. I spun a test Debian Wheezy system
in VirtualBox and then upgraded to Devuan Jessie. I could not recreate the
problem. Do you think you may have a corrupted package? Did you try
removing the libc-bin package, then running a fresh update and
reinstalling?
rm /var/cache/archives/libc-bin_2.19-18+deb8u10_amd64.deb AND/OR
rm /var/cache/archives/libc-bin_2.19-18+deb8u9_amd64.deb
apt-get update
apt-get install --reinstall libc-bin
Just a thought.
HTH,
Linux O'Beardly
@LinuxOBeardly
http://o.beard.ly
linux.obear...@gmail.com
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Thomas Besser <thomas.bes...@kit.edu>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> meanwhile I upgraded the next server from debian wheezy to devuan jessie.
>
> With the same result on upgrading packages, like today:
>
> Trigger für libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u10) werden verarbeitet ...
> syntax error at (eval 6) line 91, near ") {"
> Can't use global $/ in "my" at (eval 6) line 94, near ", $/"
> Global symbol "$fn" requires explicit package name at (eval 6) line 94.
> syntax error at (eval 6) line 96, near ";
>
> No one else has this problem on upgrading from debian wheezy to devuan
> jessie?
>
> Where can I find those 'trigger' scripts in Debian/Devuan?
> https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgTriggers says nothing about that.
>
> Purging package 'libc-bin' and reinstalling seems not to be a really
> good idea on a productive system ;-)
>
> Any hints how to solve this issue?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> Thomas
>
> Am 16.06.2017 um 08:45 schrieb Thomas Besser:
> > Hi,
> >
> > upgraded two file server last week from debian wheezy to devuan jessie.
> > Nearly everthing worked smooth on upgrading.
> >
> > Something is wrong with 'libc-bin'. On each operation with apt-get I'm
> > getting following error:
> >
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> > libgcrypt20
> > 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0 B/393 kB of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
> > (Reading database ... 49511 files and directories currently installed.)
> > Preparing to unpack .../libgcrypt20_1.6.3-2+deb8u3_amd64.deb ...
> > Unpacking libgcrypt20:amd64 (1.6.3-2+deb8u3) over (1.6.3-2+deb8u2) ...
> > Setting up libgcrypt20:amd64 (1.6.3-2+deb8u3) ...
> > Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u9) ...
> > syntax error at (eval 6) line 91, near ") {"
> > Can't use global $/ in "my" at (eval 6) line 94, near ", $/"
> > Global symbol "$fn" requires explicit package name at (eval 6) line 94.
> > syntax error at (eval 6) line 96, near ";
> > }"
> >
> > Any hints to solve this issue?
> >
> > Tried "apt-get install --reinstall libc-bin" without success.
> >
> > Regards
> > Thomas
> >
> > P.S.: Same error occurs on both machines.
> >
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Re: [DNG] UPS Upgrade for Amprolla
The amprolla UPS upgrade has been completed without issue. Here's to more stability. Take care, Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Linux O'Beardly <linux.obear...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ladies, Gentlemen, Ewoks, Wookies, and Unicorns, > > I'll be taking amprolla.devuan.org offline for a few minutes in about 1 > hour. That is 02:00 US EDT/06:00 UTC. Due to the recent severe weather > outages, I've decided to upgrade all of my battery backups. These are not > top of the line, but are new and should run the amprolla infrastructure for > about 30 mins if the power grid fails again. This will not only power the > server, but the network devices as well, keeping amprolla accessible to the > world even during a power outage. If there are any objections, let me hear > them now. If I hear nothing in the next hour, I will be moving forward with > the upgrade. > > Thanks, > > Linux O'Beardly > @LinuxOBeardly > http://o.beard.ly > linux.obear...@gmail.com > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] UPS Upgrade for Amprolla
Ladies, Gentlemen, Ewoks, Wookies, and Unicorns, I'll be taking amprolla.devuan.org offline for a few minutes in about 1 hour. That is 02:00 US EDT/06:00 UTC. Due to the recent severe weather outages, I've decided to upgrade all of my battery backups. These are not top of the line, but are new and should run the amprolla infrastructure for about 30 mins if the power grid fails again. This will not only power the server, but the network devices as well, keeping amprolla accessible to the world even during a power outage. If there are any objections, let me hear them now. If I hear nothing in the next hour, I will be moving forward with the upgrade. Thanks, Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Amprolla: Another Network Outage.
Dear Devuan Community, We experienced another outage with the amprolla server today due to severe weather. We've had severe storms with tornado force winds that have taken down both our power and network grid. This is a separate outage from the one that occurred yesterday that just effected our network grid. Amprolla is now up and running and everything seems to be in tact. I would offer apologies, but "acts of G(g)od(s)" are a little out of my wheelhouse. On the upside, in the year and half I've been hosting this server, I've only had three outages, all due to things beyond my control. Thank you for you patience. Respectfully, Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Amprolla Network Outage
Dear Devuan Community, We are currently experiencing a network outage that has left amprolla.devuan.org unreachable. I've spoken to the ISP and they stated the issue should be resolved within the next 30 minutes, by 16:08 US EDT. Please feel free to reach out if the issue persists past this time. Respectfully, Linux O'Beardly ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Can't connect to Amprolla?
Alright, the Amprolla host is back up. Apparently, we had a power outage and it shutdown. Obviously, being out of town, I wasn't there to power it back up. Let me know if you all have any issues. Later, Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Linux O'Beardly <linux.obear...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is on me. I host that machine, and I currently cannot get to it. > Unfortunately, I'm also out of town on work. I'm trying to get in touch > with my daughter to have her check the machine. I'll update the list as > soon as I get something. > > Thanks, > > Linux O'Beardly > @LinuxOBeardly > http://o.beard.ly > linux.obear...@gmail.com > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> While doing an apt-get update on my Devuan VM, I got an error saying: >> >> = >> Unable to connect to amprolla.devuan.org:http >> = >> >> Is this a known problem? How do I update my system and add software? >> >> I'd give you the Devuan version, but both /etc/issue and uname -a give >> me only kernel version. >> >> Thanks, >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> July 2016 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques >> of the Successful Technologist >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Can't connect to Amprolla?
This is on me. I host that machine, and I currently cannot get to it. Unfortunately, I'm also out of town on work. I'm trying to get in touch with my daughter to have her check the machine. I'll update the list as soon as I get something. Thanks, Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > While doing an apt-get update on my Devuan VM, I got an error saying: > > = > Unable to connect to amprolla.devuan.org:http > = > > Is this a known problem? How do I update my system and add software? > > I'd give you the Devuan version, but both /etc/issue and uname -a give > me only kernel version. > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > July 2016 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques > of the Successful Technologist > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Debian is dropping support for i586. Are we?
Aren't Rasberry Pis configured with ARM procs? If so, would dropping i586 support have any effect whatsoever on it? Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:34 PM, <bcn...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 12:17:31AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > >> Reverting this in a derivative is possible, although it lands you pretty >> much exactly in Raspbian's position. >> >> The result will be one-way compatibility: your packages will run on any >> Debian-compatible system but importing from Debian or any other external >> repository will require a rebuild. >> > > Aww crud... What's this about Raspbian? > > I use a raspberry pi 3 as my general computer now, and it is currently a > "frankendebian" with packages from both Raspbian and Devuan in order to > eliminate systemd. (here's the current sources.list:) > >deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui >deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib non-free > rpi >deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib > non-free rpi >deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie main contrib non-free >deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main contrib non-free > > Currently, everything runs fine (graphical, even!), but is there some > huge incompatibility that's going to bite me later? > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)
Actually, since Valve released a native Steam client for Linux, I've even abandoned Windows for gaming. Yes, I'm quite limited to what I can play, but it has enough titles to keep me busy. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Steven W. Scott <codekra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow. Funny that, my view is: > > Windows: Gaming > Linux: everything else > > Linux for pentest, hell yes, mostly because it lends itself extremely well > to quickly implementing a prototype and automating it in a reliable manner. > Windows scheduler is a joke, Windows development is a masochist's dream. > Poweshell is an indicator that MS has only recently come to the > understanding that automation is more than just a room full of low-skilled > operators reacting to pop-up dialogs. Where does the cloud live, on > Windows? Lol! > > SWS > On May 3, 2016 5:05 AM, "Go Linux" <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 5/3/16, Mitt Green <mitt_gr...@riseup.net> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan >> To: dng@lists.dyne.org >> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 1:51 AM >> >> >> The current init system is old. Ancient. >> >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking >> >> for a new init system that is not systemd and my >> >> personal choice for this task from now on is >> >> Gentoo's OpenRC. >> > >> > Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it. >> > Devuan is looking for a new base system that >> > is not Unix and my personal choice for this >> > task from now is Microsoft's Windows. >> > >> >> >> >> Mitt's response reminded me of a post that was made to the forum earlier >> today in the topic "Windows explained to Devuan supporters" at >> https://talk.devuan.org/t/windows-explained-to-devuan-supporters/139/10 : >> >> >> >> Linux = Pen testing >> Windows = everything else >> >> There are no advantages in using any linux distros other than pen testing >> and that it can be installed on a USB key(and I think that's very cool). >> Even Software Defined Radio (SDR) with maybe the exception of GMS >> intercepting and decoding, has more development under Windows. Night and >> day. One works extremely well on all PCs and permits the User to actually >> be productive and do things. The other one is a clunky Windows wannabe with >> a couple of specialized advantages that most don't care about. So.. >> >> YES >> I like its functionality, its popularity(more software dev and hardware >> support), its clarity and ease of use. >> The only thing wrong with my Windows is its lack of pen testing >> capability, and that is why I'm here (KL2 using Debian8 and now looking for >> an alternative with Dev-one as a base), otherwise I would >> n e v e r << >> bother with anything linux, life is too short >> >> >> >> I'll spare you my personal thoughts on this evaluation of Linux but >> looking forward to all of yours. :) >> >> golinux >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OpenStack Image
No, but it's something I'm totally interested in. Unfortunately, like most of us on this list, I'm short on time to work on such a thing. However, if you're into it, I would love to hear any updates that you may have on the progress of such an initiative. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Herb Garcia <h...@campgarcia.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone created a Devuan OpenStack image? > > Thx > H > > *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid* > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?
For what it's worth, much of the apt vs aptitude is preference and opinion. However, aptitude does bit better of a job resolving dependencies and preventing them from breaking your system. I personally have never been a fan of aptitude, so I stick to the standard apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade. Has this ever bitten me? Absolutely. Has it ever put me in a situation I couldn't recover from? Never. So, YMMV, and it will absolutely vary, but you just need to figure out what you're comfortable with and how much work you're willing to put into your systems. There is no right or wrong way. There is just getting it done, or not done. At the end of the day, if you got it done, whatever "it" may be, then you're probably on the right track. And of course, if you ever get into a pinch, you always have the community to fall back on. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:05 PM, dev <devua...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I was wondering if anyone could offer some clarity on how best to apply > patches on Debian derived systems? There are so many options across apt-get > and aptitude... I cannot make sense of them all: > > apt-get upgrade > apt-get dist-upgrade > apt-get safe-upgrade > aptitude upgrade > aptitude safe-upgrade > aptitude full-upgrade > > The man pages tell about the different options, but I don't know if > removing packages to resolve dependencies is a good thing or not. > > Then I found the link below[1] explaining that 'aptitude' is the tool to > use on Debian while other information[2] suggests that 'apt-get' is the > tool to use so I'm confused and hoping some of you generous folks could > provide some insight here or at least admit you are as confused as I am. > > Thanks > > [1] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html > [2] > http://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] files.devuan.org not working
Do we know when this will be fixed? It's really hard to spread the gospel of Devuan if my disciples can't get to the source of enlightenment. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > > ok I understand now the problem is limited to https > > the old yearly certs have expired, > meanwhile hellekin is working on a new setup > which is based on let's encrypt > > so please be patient :^) > this is one of the reasons why we don't call it beta yet > > ciao > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running
Is it safe to assume you're going to commit this to the Devuan repo? Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have the automounter running, incompletioncies and all. It's running > off of Runit, but I'm sure it would work with sysvinit or /etc/rc.local > or pretty much anything else. > > Assuming you don't actually edit anything, when you plug in a thumb > drive, all its partitions open within 5 seconds (usually quicker), as > evidenced by my Thunar file manager. When I pull it out, the mounts go > away and the mountpoints are deleted. > > I'm sure there are a dozen edge cases and a couple corner cases where > it doesn't work in a desireable manner. I found one, when I yank the > thumb drive while a file on it is still being edited. I'll fix that. > > It's got zillions of diagnostic prints left in it: Those must go or > they'll end up in everyone's logs. > > Also, this program needs a companion program that identifies, and > perhaps umounts, partitions by label or by whatever else. > > Finally, I'd prefer this program run as a user other than root (which > it's doing right now). > > But the good thing is, it's working, and IMHO it's working faster and > more reliably than at least half the automounting addons, packaged with > filemanagers, that I've tried.. > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques > of the Successful Technologist > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Question on Devuan
Rod, While many here would probably say it's not a good idea to run servers on Devuan until a production release, I am already running it on a number of servers. I have a NAS, a CS 1.6 gaming server, and a couple of application servers all running Devuan without issue. Additionally, I'm running all of my desktops, including my Kodi server, on Devuan. I haven't had any out of the ordinary issues thus far. I would definitely give it the thumbs up for servers as long as you are doing your due diligence in the SDLC. I started all of my servers running Devuan in my development environment, and then promoted them up though Testing, QA, and then finally Prod. I would recommend that you definitely do a proper migration following SDLC and have a contingency, just as you would with any major migration. Best of luck. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:29 PM, R. W. Rodolico <r...@dailydata.net> wrote: > I've been lurking for a while, and I'm getting close to a decision > point. I have been using Debian for well over a decade, but Jessie > appears to be too unstable. The two machines I installed it on had > issues bad enough that I reverted to Wheezy (reformat/reinstall). > > Thing is, I mainly deal in servers. I really don't care that much what > workstation OS I use; Mac, Windows, Linux; so long as I can ssh to my > servers that is all I care about. > > As was mentioned earlier, PHP can not be upgraded on Wheezy, so I have > been looking around for a replacement. I'm currently playing with > FreeBSD, and keeping an eye on Devuan. > > Is Devuan mature enough to use on a server yet? Most of the work I see > is on what I consider workstation stuff; netman, etc... Does that mean > the server stuff is pretty stable already? > > This is my livelyhood, so I'm definitely not wanting to jump into > anything. Almost lost a customer over the instability of Jessie. > > Bottom line is, as a server (no GUI, no netman, no games, no Libre, just > a basic OS that allows me to install Apache/Postfix/MariaDB), do you > feel Devuan is ready for some serious consideration yet, or should I > wait another few months. Oh, we are heavily into virtualization using > Xen also. > > BTW, while I can not contribute the skills necessary at this point, my > offer of a mirror still stands, whenever that becomes needed. Resources > I have, but my programming skills are so far out of date I'd be a > liability. But, resources I would be happy to share when/if you need them. > > Rod > -- > Rod Rodolico > Daily Data, Inc. > POB 140465 > Dallas TX 75214-0465 > 214.827.2170 > http://www.dailydata.net > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS
Apologies in advance for digressing, but it honestly amazes me how ignorant and passive Linus and RMS have been about the whole systemd fiasco since it's inception. Also, the one person that really astounded me at his concession to systemd was Shuttleworth. I figured if anyone were going to fight the fight, it would be him. I've never been so disappointed in a visionary I previously admired. Hopefully, one of them will eventually come around and make a stand. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Emiliano Marini <emilianomarin...@gmail.com > wrote: > Interesting article from Richard Stallman. > > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/applying-free-sw-criteria.html > > It starts with: > > *"For a software package to be free, all the code in it must be free. But > not only the code. Since documentation files including manuals, README, > change log, and so on are essential technical parts of a software package, > they must be free as well."* > > And concludes with: > > *"As new situations arise, the GNU Project and the Free Software > Foundation will adapt our freedom criteria so as to lead computer users > towards freedom, in practice and in principle."* > > Maybe RSM has some concern about Red Hat, systemd and the new idea of > "freedom of code vs. freedom of developers"? > > Cheers, > Emiliano. > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?
When it comes to the IT field, it's more about experience and production than formal education. Let's remember that many of the visionaries in the tech industry have little formal education. (i.e. Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg) I, personally, was trained as a systems engineer at the US Marine Corps Computer Science School; which ironically, taught us no Computer Science, only operations oriented training. However, I will say a milestone in getting jobs today, and one that I now personally struggle with after having been in the top echelon of my industry for the last 15 years, is that as a Systems Admin, Systems Engineer, Network Admin, or any IT Operations professional, you now have to be able to code. With the proliferation of config mgmt tools like Ansible, Salt Stack, Puppet, and Chef, if you can't write code, there is no place for you in the industry. I'm limping along relying on knowing enough Ruby to use Chef and using a lot of Ansible since it will basically uses shell script wrapped in what I believe is a Python backend. Nonetheless, the IT industry is the last bastion in which what you can do matters more than the fact you were able to completely what is going to an almost completely useless degree. The exception to the "useless degree" statement would be if your degree was in some hard science that either focuses on CS, like CS, CE, or EE, or requires an ample amounts of coding, like most physics programs do now; but I digress. Nonetheless, bottom line, a degree is a inconsequential as long as you have the skills and the work history to back it up. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Jason Taylor <ja...@infinitebubble.com> wrote: > Starting now, it's probably more necessary than it was 10, 15, 20 years > ago. In my entire time in IT, I can count all the people I've ever meet > that were born and raised in the U.S.* and with an IT degree on one hand. > I've meet plenty with all sorts of other degrees: geology, philosophy, > medical, you name it. In nearly 20 years I've only ever had one company > tell me that a degree was an absolute requirement for working there. That > was this year, so things may be changing. > > I don't have any experience with it, but I'd imagine that if you're > looking to do something like actually design new hardware, you'd have to > have a degree unless you're going to go entrepreneurial. > > * If you're looking to work on an H1B or similar, I suspect a degree is a > hard requirement. > > On 11/12/2015 7:51 AM, Mitt Green wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is offtopic. I'm interested in whether college or university degree >> is necessary to work in IT industry (of any kind: admin, embedded systems >> developer, driver developer, mobile systems, consulting, hardware etc). >> >> Questions: >> 1) Are there many people without degrees in the industry? >> 2) Which companies (just for examples) don't require it? >> 3) Are there any hobbyists around here, that earn some money from >> coding? >> >> From what I've heard, universities here teach something that is >> obsolete and is not used anymore, or simply don't teach what we do >> here (Unix, administration, hardware...). >> >> Thanks for any kind of information, >> >> Mitt >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] MS & RH team up on Azure cloud
I previously interviewed for a job with the Ubuntu Cloud Professional Services team. These guys bounce around the globe setting up Openstack environments for many organizations. One of those organizations, and I know this for a fact, was a large software company out of Redmond, WA. The core of their cloud offering is built, or at least it was as of October 2013, on Ubuntu with Openstack. Ironic, isn't it? Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Mark Purcell <raindog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > It does feel like this is a moment when we might want to consider whether > the really important distinction is not so much between open-source > software and closed-source software (since that battle does appear to be > trending thoroughly in favor of the former), but between software > developed, distributed, and maintained by corporations, and software > developed, distributed, and maintained by non-corporate groups (whether > those be 'community,' or 'community-based', or popular, or non-profit, or > foundation, or grass-roots, etc. > > Best, > Mark > > > On 11/05/2015 01:48 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 11:27:02PM -0500, Steven W. Scott wrote: >> >>> H... things are getting clearerer. >>> >>> >>> http://recode.net/2015/11/04/microsoft-and-red-hat-team-up-to-offer-linux-on-azure-cloud/ >>> >>> SWS >>> >> Things have always been very clear, at least to me, since >> 2003-2005. And when I used to say "beware of RedHat" back in the days, >> people just thought I was mad accusing one of the "champions" of the >> OpenSource/FreeSoftware movement. I really hope that this time my guts >> feelings about the final aims of the potterization process will be >> just wrong... >> >> HND >> >> KatolaZ >> >> > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Status of Devuan Project by Alberto Zuin
I don't know if this has been shared yet, but if it was, I missed it. Youtube video of Alberto Zuin giving an update of the Devuan project at OpenNebula. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyUVmdKIEI Very cool to see it being presented. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] laptop beeps
I've ran into this issue many times, and unfortunately, it's rarely the same cause. Historically, it's caused by three general issues: 1. A service is trying to start in the background that cannot start. I ran into this a lot in the old days when USB peripherals were just coming into use and had issues with modules trying to load that weren't needed. See if you have a module or service bouncing in the background. 2. It's hardware. Some piece of hardware is failing and it's causing a beep. This happens with Smart HDDs at times; usually a warning sign they are about to fail. 3. It's a firmware conflict with your OS. I had a Dell Netbook I built for a girl and it did the same thing. I don't know what the specific cause was, but the symptoms were pretty much identical to what you're seeing. I updated the firmware and it never happened again. Then again, it could be none of these. Apologies for giving you more questions than answers, but those are the worst types of issues to try to run down. I wish I could be of more assistance. HTH, Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > Every now and then my laptop beeps. It happens approximately once a > minute, although it is not at all regular, and sometimes the time > between beeps is as little as ten seconds. Sometimes it's quiet for > longer stretches of time, then it starts again. > > It stopped when I logged out, and started again when I logged in. > > > Then twice today it has spent a minute or so emitting regular (several > times a second) beeps that are much quieter than the above beeps, so > quiet that I had to get my wife (who is not slowly going deaf) to make > sure that it *was* my laptop beeping. > > I'm running alpha2 devuan with xfce4. ps -l tells me, among other > things, that I have dbus-launch, dbus-daemon, pulseaudio. dbus-daemon > (yes, another one), and start-pulseaudi running. I don't know if any of > that is relevant. > > Any ideas how I should track this down? > > -- hendrik > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is Jude Nelson OK?
Apologies in advance for digressing from actual Devuan tech talk, but let's be honest; if people were rated as firearms in comparison to their contribution within the open source community, Jude is a Barret .50 cal Sniper rifle. It's hard to be humble when you have that kind of firepower on your side. Yes, I agree, we should try to refrain from touting it, but sometimes we just have to indulge in guilty pleasures. I, for one, am glad we have that we have that kind of resource on our side. In case I haven't said it lately: Jude - Thanks for everything you've done. I, personally, cannot thank you enough for all that you are doing for our community and the Devuan project. I'll do my best to try and not be petty knowing that you are on our side. If I fail, please accept my preemptive apologies. Also, thanks to the rest of you that contribute as well; no contribution, no matter how small, is without merit or value. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:16:56 + (UTC) > Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Steve,Is it possible to thank Jude for his work without packing > > him into a cannon and firing him at Debian? > > I've done that many times. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Alpha2 Build Success
A friend recently came to me with a request for a fully functional 10" laptop. She does all her work in the cloud, so the consistency of the OS and the underlying processing power was not of issue. Having worked with Debian on a specific hardware platform before, I turned to eBay and purchased an Asus EEE PC, Model 1005HAB. I threw in a 128GB Toshiba solid state drive and upgraded the RAM to 2GB; that is the max allowable for this specific model. I then downloaded the latest devuan-jessie-netboot-i386-alpha2.iso and prepared a USB drive via unetbootin on my Linux desktop. The alpha2 installed without issue and runs smoothly. She's been using it this week in her law classes to take notes and prepare assignments. She's had no issues and she's been able to flow between wireless networks without any hiccups; she hasn't experienced a single issue. Even the power management seems to be reasonable. Obviously, being that Jessie is still in alpha, we do expect to incur issues at some point, but for now, neither of us could be happier. While I'm aware that there is much more work to do, I just wanted to offer my appreciation for all the hard work, as well as congratulations on a job well done. I'm looking forward to the future. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?
We should all keep in mind that not all repos have wheezy as an option; some only have stable/testing/unstable. That may prove troublesome for some of us in the future. My primary desktop has already been assimilated by the systemd collective. As soon as we get a stable image of Devuan running, I will rebuild my desktop for the first time in 4 years. Good luck! Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:30:57 -0400 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 09:27:57AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, While I wait for Dng to mature and become my daily driver OS, I'm continuing to limp along on Debian Wheezy initted by sysvinit. What I want to make sure of is that when I run apt-get update apt-get upgrade that my computer doesn't try to convert itself to Jessie, because then I'd face a situation where I'd need to shut down my business and immediately convert to Manjaro OpenRC edition. I'd rather make an orderly transition to Dng, on my own timetable. So, anyone know how to prevent my Wheezy box from converting itself to Jessie? You edit /etc/apt/sources.lst and change *every* mention of 'stable' to 'wheezy'. Do not do upgrades of any kind until you've made these changes. -- hendrik Hi Hendrik, It turns out that in my /etc/apt/sources.list (that's the exact name of the file on my box) everything was already marked wheezy instead of stable except: == # ADDED BY SLITT FOR DOVECOT deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable dovecot deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable dovecot == I don't remember why I found it necessary to put those in for Dovecot updates. Do you think I should I comment out those two deb statements, or change stable to wheezy on both of them? Also, there was a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jitsi.list, from a time when I was experimenting with using jitsi as a substitute for Skype. I'll be moving that file out of its directory, and not experiment with jitsi until after I've left Debian completely. Thanks so much. SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan philosohy
Great list! Thanks everybody for your input, because for those of us who
aren't programmers, this helps clarify a lot of the reason why systemd is
less than ideal from a technical perspective. I'm more of a if I can't
read it or write it in vi or manipulate it via a bash script, then it
doesn't belong in Linux kind of guy, and I believe the reason why I have
such disregard for systemd is evident in the aforementioned statement. I
don't need to write a conf file that is actually a wrapper to a piece of
code that then configures how my machine runs, all the while with me having
no insight to what is going on inside; and yes, I'm aware this is a gross
simplification. However, your list and consequent addendums are great food
for thought. Educating the masses with fact, logic, and just plain old
good common sense is the only way to combat the idiocracy that the Linux
community as a whole has become. Thanks again!
Linux O'Beardly
@LinuxOBeardly
http://o.beard.ly
linux.obear...@gmail.com
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:11:54 -0400
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
[1] [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of
polarity and resistance:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-September/thread.html
The discussion here contains a quotation about the Unix philosophy
(in an attempt to explain how systemd follows it). I find it
summmarises well the way Devuan believes a Linux system should be
organised:
Allow me to make a couple small enhancements. Please keep in mind that
I use TS to mean Thin, Standard, where a standard interface is a
pipe, named pipe, fifo, socket, simply structured file, etc. When I
insert something, I'll use square brackets. When I delete something,
I'll use X{whatever deleted text}.
1. Write simple parts connected by clean
[TS]
interfaces.
2. Clarity is better than cleverness.
3. Design programs to be connected to other programs
[by TS interfaces]
[3a Connect programs only on a need to know basis, where the connected
program is purposed primarily to do what the connected program needs
done. Don't connect to a bicycle just to get a spoke.]
[3b If the connecting program, at various locations, requires various
types of services from the connected program, it might be OK to
violate 3a. This might, in some cases, justify connecting to GTk and
Qt.]
4. Separate policy from mechanism; separate interfaces
from engines.
5. Design for simplicity; add complexity only where you
must.
6. Write a big program only when it is clear by demonstration
that nothing else will do.
7. Rule of Transparency: Design for visibility to make inspection and
debugging easier.
8. Robustness is the child of transparency and simplicity.
9. Fold knowledge into data so program logic can be stupid and robust.
10. In interface design, always do the least surprising thing.
11. When a program has nothing surprising to say, it should say
nothing.
12. When you must fail, fail noisily and as soon as possible.
13. Programmer time is expensive; conserve it in preference to
machine time.
[13a. Unless doing so would make life slower for users and admins, in
which case your top priority should be saving time for the users and
admins.]
14. Avoid hand-hacking; write programs to write programs when you can.
15. Prototype before polishing. Get it working before you optimize it.
16. Distrust all claims for “one true way”.
17. Design for the future, because it will be here sooner than you
think.
I think my modifications go a long way toward rejecting faux modularity.
SteveT
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Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update
Given the fraction of replies you got so far devoted to the puppy (100%) and to the technical content (0%), I suspect this community's hearts are in the right place. -- hendrik ^ +1 Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:44:25AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: Thankfully, the puppy should be fine :) She only ate a few capsules, and we caught her just after the fact, so we were able to get her proper treatment before the toxicity could set in. We get to take her home from the vet either tonight or tomorrow. -Jude Given the fraction of replies you got so far devoted to the puppy (100%) and to the technical content (0%), I suspect this community's hearts are in the right place. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins
And FTR, I forgot it was April Fool's Day and my heart literally sank during my initial reading of this email. Good one! Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Linux O'Beardly linux.obear...@gmail.com wrote: Happy April Fools, you limey bastards. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:56 AM, Veteran Unix Admins vua-re...@devuan.org wrote: Dear Init Freedom lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions in developing Devuan GNU/Linux right after Ian Jackson's GR vote resolution in Debian. We have made great progress and achieved several milestones among them a complete SDK to facilitate package maintainance, a new package repository software Amprolla and a continuous integration workflow based on gitlab and Jenkins. We are also proud to have facilitate the work of Jude Nelson on a new /dev daemon implementation called VDev and more in general to have given voice to all those who had doubts about systemd being a viable course of evolution for GNU/Linux operating systems. By doing so we have obviously looked deep inside Debian and systemd itself and we have never refrained from critically analysing what systemd was doing as well what we were doing and the reasons for it. We firmly believe every responsible and critical engineer out there should at least think twice about developing something new systems and even Donald Knuth teaches us in the Art of Programming that is always appropriate to re-think and re-design algorithms and challenge ourselves over our own initial beliefs. That's why today, after 7 months of work in the direction of forking Debian we have decided that not, we will not do that. Today we give up and we accept to be assimilated. After all, we think that systemd is not so bad and we can live with it. We understand some of you may not be convinced, but please consider our decision here is really well thought. It is also too hard for us to catch up with the rampant development going on in systemd and we believe that we can live just fine with systemd and some shims. We tried hard, now we hope you will believe us and even if you don't, at least please give systemd a try. With the existing infrastructure in place, we will start maintaining a mirror of systemd and use our CI infrastructure to contribute deterministic reproducible builds of Debian packages. We ask the free and open source software community at large to please accept our apologies for making so much noise on this issue, today we feel like we have just been trolled by all those complainers we initially gave voice and leverage, while it is evident they have nothing to contribute really. It took us some time to understand that systemd is the future and we hope this experience contributes to a critical understanding of systemd. To all those who have donated substantial amounts of money so far: we commit to return you all the donations in EUR or Dogecoin. The donations that cannot be returned will be used for a petition campaign to give back Kay Sievers access to push modifications to the Linux kernel, as well to distribute the upcoming O'Reilly book on systemd to poor children in Africa. so long and thanks for all the fish, The Veteran Unix Admins ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins
Happy April Fools, you limey bastards. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:56 AM, Veteran Unix Admins vua-re...@devuan.org wrote: Dear Init Freedom lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! As most of you know, we have followed up with our intentions in developing Devuan GNU/Linux right after Ian Jackson's GR vote resolution in Debian. We have made great progress and achieved several milestones among them a complete SDK to facilitate package maintainance, a new package repository software Amprolla and a continuous integration workflow based on gitlab and Jenkins. We are also proud to have facilitate the work of Jude Nelson on a new /dev daemon implementation called VDev and more in general to have given voice to all those who had doubts about systemd being a viable course of evolution for GNU/Linux operating systems. By doing so we have obviously looked deep inside Debian and systemd itself and we have never refrained from critically analysing what systemd was doing as well what we were doing and the reasons for it. We firmly believe every responsible and critical engineer out there should at least think twice about developing something new systems and even Donald Knuth teaches us in the Art of Programming that is always appropriate to re-think and re-design algorithms and challenge ourselves over our own initial beliefs. That's why today, after 7 months of work in the direction of forking Debian we have decided that not, we will not do that. Today we give up and we accept to be assimilated. After all, we think that systemd is not so bad and we can live with it. We understand some of you may not be convinced, but please consider our decision here is really well thought. It is also too hard for us to catch up with the rampant development going on in systemd and we believe that we can live just fine with systemd and some shims. We tried hard, now we hope you will believe us and even if you don't, at least please give systemd a try. With the existing infrastructure in place, we will start maintaining a mirror of systemd and use our CI infrastructure to contribute deterministic reproducible builds of Debian packages. We ask the free and open source software community at large to please accept our apologies for making so much noise on this issue, today we feel like we have just been trolled by all those complainers we initially gave voice and leverage, while it is evident they have nothing to contribute really. It took us some time to understand that systemd is the future and we hope this experience contributes to a critical understanding of systemd. To all those who have donated substantial amounts of money so far: we commit to return you all the donations in EUR or Dogecoin. The donations that cannot be returned will be used for a petition campaign to give back Kay Sievers access to push modifications to the Linux kernel, as well to distribute the upcoming O'Reilly book on systemd to poor children in Africa. so long and thanks for all the fish, The Veteran Unix Admins ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
