[DNG] Just so you know,

I am unsubscribing, from dng, mostly because I no longer use devuan, I am now using hyperbola another operating system that uses debian packages for stability and security. It's a stable arch. I am using it right now. It also avoids systemd if anyone is interested. But this will be my last

Re: [DNG] ..forensics on systemd or journald logs

The troublesome routers I would temporarily try a "factory reset" on > https://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Hard_reset_or_30/30/30 > and set them up from scratch and attempt installation of the most > current firmware. > > It you are having pop-up warnings I would take a good look at your web >

Re: [DNG] ..forensics on systemd or journald logs

> So could I ask for your opinions please? > 1) What should I replace the Netgear router with? > What's the 'critics choice'? > 2) Which is less insecure: launching X > through a display manager (which has root privileges and grants them > to X), or from startx and Xwrapper

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

On 11/20/2017 08:53 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 20/11/17 14:08, zap wrote: >> >> On 11/20/2017 04:08 AM, John Hughes wrote: >>> >>>> Firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the >>>> firmware-atheros <https://packages.debia

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

On 11/20/2017 08:08 AM, Patrick Meade wrote: > On 11/19/2017 10:01 PM, zap wrote: >> there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I >> cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs >> were too lazy to remove the non-free pac

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

On 11/20/2017 04:08 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 20/11/17 05:01, zap wrote: >> there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I >> cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs >> were too lazy to remove the non-free pac

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

> I might have misunderstood you, but I don't think that adding support > for non-free firmware is among the Devuan's top priorities... You did misunderstand me, debian will not add it, even though IT IS free firmware. thinkpenguin sells one without the non-free firmware. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ

[DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free package. so annoying. AR9271 is the firmware I was talking about. Thinkpenguin sells these,

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

> John Hughes' sole function on DNG is to say, in many different ways, > "systemd isn't so bad." Given that systemd being bad is the > foundational belief that created the Devuan project thus the DNG list, > he knows he's just making trouble. He's a troll. Don't feed the troll. > > I /dev/nulled

Re: [DNG] Virtualbox?

> Can't check right now, but I don't think so. If it's not installed, > I'll give it a try (on Wednesday probably, don't have time tomorrow) > and report back. > > I do have one question though, what ascii/stretch package name(s) should > I pass to `apt-get install`? Here's what I get for APT

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

> I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. > He has a reputation for being direct and taking questions literally - and > that's how I found him. I assume it's just the way he is, some of us are like > that. I think that's part of the reason many people "dislike" him - if you

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

> I.E. more "modern" than Unix. > > Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that > wasn't a controversial idea around here. > You are talking sense, yes modern is very often bad alas... > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

On 11/03/2017 04:27 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote: > Please shutdown this giant thread completely. > I'm near to unsubscribe from list. > Most of subjects you are chattering can be found with web browsing. > Devuan project is very fragile with this behaviour. > Very well, If it will help, this will be

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

>> Coreboot does load blobs for certain devices, so it shouldn't be any >> surprise that coreboot supports librem. > They did not lie about this. Hmm... Doesn't it seem odd though that they call themselves purism and haven't fully removed the intel ME stuff...? I dunno, it just seems fishy to

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

On 11/02/2017 08:28 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > I wrote: > >> Coreboot itself is free software but by design hosts proprietary >> plugins. In that regard, it differs from its militantly free software >> fork libreboot, which of course in consequence supports much less >> software. > > > I

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

On 11/02/2017 07:35 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 15:03:36 -0400 > zap <calmst...@posteo.de> wrote: > >>> Prove it. >>> >>> https://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-laptops-completely-disable-intel-management-engine/ >> Some

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

> Prove it. > > https://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-laptops-completely-disable-intel-management-engine/ Something tells me you won't accept any other answer except your own, so I will pass. > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

> Please no political jokes. Not everyone shares the same political opinion and > the joke may be offensive to some. I don't see why, but if it will keep peace then I will do so. But I wish to know what you mean by political jokes... free software has a political agenda too after all. so I

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

>> You might consider the Purism laptops, one of which has a detachable >> keyboard.  https://puri.sm/products/ > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3anjgm/on_the_librem_laptop_purism_doesnt_believe_in/ > > They aren't worth it. Yep mhm, they are deliberately lying too people saying they

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

>> Wow! Systemd even halts faster! > Only if you keep the power button pressed long enough. Yay, someone else is a joker. ;) > > Alessandro > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

> Sorry for interrupting, but I was wondering whether this discussion is > useful at all to Devuan. Please don't get me wrong: you are free to > continue, but really, what's the point? Sorry, couldn't resist making some humor out of an annoying situation. > > systemd is a reality, and making sad

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

> > > I have no interest in half-way fixing Debian's broken packages, but > I'll be glad to help create an excellent DeVUan package that respects > what the software's author was trying to accomplish (but without any > new directories off the root). If the new Devuan runit package work out > as

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

On 10/28/2017 01:00 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> I still have a mixture of irritation and amazement, that systemd is >> considered libre software yet causes so many issues and >> security/stability flaws. amazing yet terrifying... > No

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

On 10/28/2017 03:28 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-10-27 21:34, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> Everyone: John Hughes has history here. See the following: >> >> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/d...@20151218.114434.e5e44af4.en.html >> >> >> And here's what I wrote after he posted his fiftieth

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

On 10/27/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:39:53 -0400 > zap <calmst...@posteo.de> wrote: > >> On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: >>> On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: >>>> No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise,

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: >> No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, > > Debian fan? He's one of the people who build the distribution Devuan > is  based on.  He's not a "fan". > That is very impressive indeed. I would have never guessed

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

On 10/26/2017 05:38 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 04:18:12PM -0400, zap wrote: >> I only wish runit-init was still on the debian repo. or in the devuan >> repo at least... > It was kicked out from stretch because something bad happened to its > mainta

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

On 10/24/2017 10:50 AM, Chris Lamb wrote: > Hi -dng, > >> […] > I am the maintainer of Redis in Debian. All I have done is removed some > ill-conceived hooks that were not used by anyone. I have not dropped > sysvinit support and nor do I have any intention to do so. I only ask > politely that

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

On 10/23/2017 04:18 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Quote: "secure operating system" > > Where can I get that? Linux does have vulnerabilities. Together with > that, a kernel alone doesn't do much. Other packages are needed which > add up more attack surface area. > > You do remember when kernel.org

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

>> If that is true, it sounds like a class action law suit to me. Anyone want >> to take it on? > Can you identify any vendors where you can’t install Linux? If you can’t, > this just a bunch of FUD. > > jf > It sounds like something that windows 10 vendors would love to do. The idea of

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

>> Seems like a lot of baby to throw out for a problem in a >> finicky high-level tool. >> >> How does it go if you use the 'mount' command as root and >> command line utilities to inspect the filesystem? > It might have been wiser if he had backed his files and reinstalled > devuan 8

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

On 10/08/2017 04:11 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >> Since I updated my Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie I am unable to access USB >> drives to store data. >> >> - I cannot mount them as user under Pcmanfm or Thunar "Error opening >> directory

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/24/2017 08:48 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170924-08:36-0400, zap wrote: > ... > Zap, look at the work that I'd need to do if I went the Waterfox way: Hmm...  yes I really don't know. Not that it matters anyways, waterfox doesn't need to be added to the repo to be used in devua

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> Let me kindly tell you upfront, you're not more people, only a single > individual :-) ... I had already looked up Waterfox previously when you told > me > about it. > > But only if more people from Devuan or Debian created a traction would I be > more willing to give it a real try (would be

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. >> I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? > I've just looked and found no evidence of this. >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> ( > And also, let's see if Enrico Weigelt's Librezilla takes off... Or, somebody > proove that Waterfox is indeed safer and more honest than Palemoon... More > people's testimonies on the latter would be needed, for me, to reconsider > Waterfox. > ) Well, let's see where do I start,

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

> > > be completely software > > If you MPL free, yes. No blobs, etc. > And no systemd deps, of course (actually, haven't seen any yet) > Also get rid of all dbus deps. > >> disable eme, tracking from mozilla, etc...? > > yes, patching it out completely. also geoloc, sensors, etc. > > Note: I

Re: [DNG] Has anyone tried waterfox?

> > BTW: it seems that waterfox *does* enable EME: > > https://github.com/MrAlex94/Waterfox/blob/e0e4243228d88be5e09aaa964b5692d8db1553f0/.mozconfig > > > > ac_add_options --enable-eme=widevine > > > --mtx Thankfully that is the only issue I know of, and it can be disabled. in many ways...

[DNG] Has anyone tried waterfox?

I may sound like a broken record, but it is the next best thing, to Icecat with one exception where it excels: the updates come much more often. it is also superior to firefox for the following reasons: * Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) (*which sometimes is enabled by default as

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd >> dependencies removed. >> ___ >> > > It's already been done > > golinux > In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious. > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> Huh? I think uBlock Origin is superior to Adblock in every aspect. > > Thanks, I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> All web browsers suck, and take turns at being the champions of > suckatude. For the last three months, Chromium has sucked the least for > me. I felt guilty because it was a Google product, but Rick has a > point: ChromIUM is a free software product. > > If you use Google maps (I unfortunately

Re: [DNG] GNU/Linux security and grsecurity, WAS: upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

On 09/19/2017 10:47 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ( citation manually inserted not to make two email replies; however, I'll skip > Rick Moen's reply in the thread that arrived in the meantime, since it's off > topic ) > On 170919-07:43+0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Also its random and not even

[DNG] Devuan ceres has a bug for icedove/thunderbird

thunderbird can be used only if you do it through icedove for some reason... otherwise it crashes. and as for enigmail, it cannot find gnupg's location which can be fixed by: going to enigmail preferences and using override with then /usr/bin/gpg2 just something I felt I should mention. :)

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

my bad, I responded to wrong message and it took off before I could stop it... sorry about that. On 09/17/2017 09:08 PM, zap wrote: > On 09/17/2017 04:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 >> KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: >> >&g

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

On 09/17/2017 04:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 04:07:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Just a guess: A rolling-release Devuan

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

On 09/14/2017 11:11 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:33:06 -0500 > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > >> On 2017-09-11 11:45, zap wrote: >> >>>> It would have only these things different: >>>> >>>> it would only be based off of

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

> You are very good at suggesting work for other people to do.  IMO, it > makes no sense to further fragment the landscape but if that's what > floats your boat, go for it.  If you want a fork, just do it - don't > make it our problem - and drop a note here when it's ready. > > golinux > Oh

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

>> > > You are very good at suggesting work for other people to do.  IMO, it > makes no sense to further fragment the landscape but if that's what > floats your boat, go for it.  If you want a fork, just do it - don't > make it our problem - and drop a note here when it's ready. > Yes I knew

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

> Why fork a complete distro just to provide a different kernel? > > I see no reason, why a linux-libre based kernel package can´t be added to > Devuan if someone, you?, is willing to create and maintain it. > > Thanks, Oh there is one other reason, besides, a free software, and rolling release,

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

> If you need technical skills, supporting Devuan is a good way to learn them. > Choose a simple issue from bugs.devuan.org, and submit a PR that fixes it. > That will teach you how to build packages, and you’ll get good feedback from > the core team on the “Devuan way” that you want to

[DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

It would have only these things different: it would only be based off of unstable and experimental version, aka pure rolling release, it would be completely free software and use linux libre as the kernel,  otherwise it would follow every other devuan guideline... and/or way of thinking. I am

[DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

It would have only these things different: it would only be based off of unstable and experimental version, aka pure rolling release, it would be completely free software and use linux libre as the kernel,  otherwise it would follow every other devuan guideline... and/or way of thinking. I am

Re: [DNG] Talos, Intel, libre purism, ...

On 09/07/2017 08:11 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 07 September 2017 at 13:59:01, Narcis Garcia wrote: > >> This thread has now 86 posts, and I still don't see a solid contribution >> to Devuan project. >> This makes very heavy to be subscribed in a mailing list for people like >> me,

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 09/06/2017 01:15 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 09/06/2017 06:36 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>    The steep price. >> > Uhh the laptops you guys are selling now cost just as much as > TALOS...only they aren't owner controlled. > ___ Agreed!

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 09/05/2017 11:08 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Dienstag, 5. September 2017 schrieb Edward Bartolo: >> So, it means, without my knowledge as a computer user, I have a HIDDEN >> OPERATING SYSTEM running under my nose. Securitiwise, it is like >> running MS Windows notwithstanding I am

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/03/2017 09:41 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 03/09/2017 at 13:32, zap wrote: >> >> On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >>> On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: >>>>> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they &g

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: >>> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they >>> still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working >>> (blobbed init code + ME enabled as t

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

On 09/01/2017 11:05 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> I think he meant, threatened the way most people mean threatened, like a >> demand not to do something or else. > It was just a little vague, and I was interested in the 'or else'. > Al

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/01/2017 10:43 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > People are mentioning Waterfox yet another reincarnation of Firefox. > Can it run on Devuan ASCII? I have used Palemoon but stopped due to > many issues. YES! and also ceres too. You just can't use it on jessie... for whatever reason... >

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

> To recap, I merely made the point that if individuals at Mozilla > Corporation have been indeed 'threatening' Enrico Weigelt when he > made technical proposals for Firefox -- the term 'threatening' having > been oddly undefined -- and he considers that response unmerited, he > should detail

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

> Just try to submit a patch that eg, allows build-time opt-out of > geoloc, motion/ambient sensors, etc, and see what happens. Okay point taken screw firefox... I think waterfox though is more accepting of such patches. > >>> Most of it should still be in their mail archives - and I could

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

On 09/01/2017 08:33 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote: > ...Pan Am aircraft... > Volkswagen soviet union? As entertaining as this is, what does this have to do with the Talos 2? > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org >

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

> >> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/mission-impossible-hardening-android-security-and-privacy >> > > They suggest firefox ... recent versions (at least since 52) have > built-in malware. I've already removed larged parts of it (yet > very experimental and untested) - still need a strategy to

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 08/30/2017 06:25 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Thought I would share this! > > After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled > it off this time. > > This is truly a historic moment for computing freedom lovers - an > owner controlled open source ultra high performance

Re: [DNG] An alternative to Devuan thread

> Is this a new thread about the top/bottom posting in soviet union by > Volkswagen? This makes no sense, but when I discovered this comedy gold message, I had to laugh. Three random responses on this thread in the past three days, and you make them all... well done! xD >

Re: [DNG] Nvidia Drivers

> Was X working before you tried the nvidia driver? Does /etc/xorg.conf > exist now? If so, rename it so you can revert to a working X. > > Maybe try 'apt-get -f install' (without any packages named) to install any > missing dependencies. I don't think that will do it, but it's worth a try. > >

Re: [DNG] GNOME usability "improvements"

> Nope, this is unrelated. And they had no souls even late in Gnome2 days, > before systemd was even a glimmer in Lennart's eye. > That is very surprising, and here I thought they once had a conscience... Although gnome 3 and systemd are very lets call it: "unnecessary" I say that only because

Re: [DNG] Just out of curiosity, I wondered,

For some reason I can connect to the internet now, dunno what's different... but thank you all for your instructions. :) On 08/10/2017 03:37 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote: > Someone asked for an easy question, and I tried to reply with an > effective answer (without perfection). > I

[DNG] Just out of curiosity, I wondered,

how do you enable internet in a virtual machine with qemu? I wanted to try to see how effectively certain distros such as gnuinos and vuu-do work through qemu with upgrading actually working... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

On 08/02/2017 02:42 PM, zap wrote: > That would definitely be good for getting more people to want to > support your distro. :) > Actually, More people to work on the coding base too. A global libre distro would be fantastic though heh. > > On 08/02/2017 11:48 AM, Emiliano Marini

Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

That would definitely be good for getting more people to want to support your distro. :) On 08/02/2017 11:48 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Maybe future releases. > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, zap <calmst...@posteo.de > <mailto:calmst...@posteo.de>> wrote:

Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

will gnueterics be translated into english at any point? On 08/02/2017 09:36 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Not new, but now based on Devuan. > > EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community > radios of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all > the software

Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept

Fair point, I am just confused by this whole thread that's all. On 08/01/2017 05:14 PM, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2017 16:47:25 -0400 > zap <calmst...@posteo.de> wrote: > >> In essence I just want to see your evidence and also, I don't see >> anyone with t

Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept

Pardon me, but how is this attorney guy trolling/wasting your time? I am not for him or against him, but I am curious where your evidence is. That's all. Do you know have any links pertaining as evidence? If he is telling the truth though you should take what he says to heart. If not then ignoring

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Oh, and then there's *this* as a reason for supporting arm: https://notabug.org/libreboot/libreboot/issues/264 apparently someone is trying to reverse engineer arm without lima... which could be very advantageous to devuan and other free software distros... On 07/21/2017 05:25 PM, Don Wright

[DNG] can we get back to talking about devuan? or at least not toxic topics...

I could understand if this discussion was just irrelevant nonsense pertaining to linking to random mlp sites or talking about how much dog food you eat, even then it would be a bad idea... but it least then I and I think many others would laugh it off... but the topics that are being brought up

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

> [cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff] > > Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting > long and mainly unrelated material of any sort? > > Really Miroslav: first the Croatians and the history of their > heritage. Next the interpretation of the bible. Then a mixture of > random

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

> Changing people's default init system is how we got here. > > This is much saner: > > Am 19/07/2017 um 11:16 schrieb KatolaZ: >> It is definitely desirable to have it among a set of pluggable >> init systems, though. hmm... not a bad idea. wisdom from katolaz indeed.

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

I hope at some point you do return, though maybe we need a better structure for the mailing list... On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: > >> ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... > > Yeah, me too. > > Putting

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

On 07/19/2017 05:03 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170719-03:50-0400, zap wrote: >> My bad, my internet was acting weird, I could not tell if the messages >> went through... I completely understand your irritation. > I wasn't irritated. I was only saying, (I stuck a sin

[DNG] nevermind, my messages,

I found my openrc packages and it is on again! hehe ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] svante, do you still have those three packages,

i forgot to save them, i need them for a different laptop... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

I want to install it on another laptop with ascii... util-linux sysvinit-util and one other package needed? i forget which though... svante, can you send those three packages directly to me one more time? I thought I had them saved somewhere... alas.

Re: [DNG] unsubscribe

well, I will keep this in mind in the future due to this. On 07/16/2017 10:17 PM, william moss wrote: > unsubscribe > Tired of the too many messages, especially those not directly related to > the distribution. > > > ___ > Dng mailing list >

Re: [DNG] Sexual politics and society: [was: Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii, ]

Worry not, I almost triggered something a while ago... xD go back far enough, st gnu church joke was made on dng and I nearly started one heh. no one took the bait though... thankfully. On 07/16/2017 05:56 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > [political stu

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/16/2017 04:35 PM, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 07/16/2017 09:34 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >> This thread has gotten ridiculously off-topic > > Smart people can choose to be smart or stupid, as it suits them > better. The stupid have no choice... ;> yep... mhm... >

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/16/2017 03:34 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > This thread has gotten ridiculously off-topic. Please show some > restraint and consideration for the bloat this is putting into the dng > database. > > golinux > Oh sorry, I will stop replying if you wish to this message. and the other one if

Re: [DNG] Sexual politics and society: [was: Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii, ]

On 07/16/2017 03:20 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 16 July 2017 at 19:55:21, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >> This modern day and age that we live in, in which perversion is decided to >> be normal by a vote of medical scientists, and a vote that was just >> slightly in favor (as there were many

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Oh, that explains it, next time start a new thread and people will be more likely to respond... sorry just sayin... On 07/14/2017 09:03 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Since forums deal with people, how is it possible to put sociology, > psychology and ethics aside as if the present time were a time

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Easy there, I wasn't aware of what your response was to, I haven't been watching these messages as much lately... On 07/15/2017 04:42 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Nice, nobody replied. > > This means, nobody has any valid counter arguments to what I wrote. > Moderation is a right nobody should

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/13/2017 12:09 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 13.07.2017 16:37, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >> So true. I'm still banned from Gentoo Forums (also because I never >> asked to be >> back; I didn't feel I was to blame in the least). > > By the way: heared some rumors that some

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/12/2017 05:34 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 12:14 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> On 170711-23:18+0200, Svante Signell wrote: >> Now it's sorted right, I hope: >> OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii >> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?i

Re: [DNG] What is GNU/Linux?

On 07/11/2017 03:36 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the > userland. Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a > systemd Linux? > Nah, Gnu/systemd makes more sense if your going down that road... but I would much prefer keeping

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

gnome 3 is crap, need I say more? On 07/11/2017 07:39 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 10.07.2017 23:10, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Remember, we're fighting a huge and well funded opponent, possessing >> the money to throw at programmers to keep the systemd mess running, as >> well

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/11/2017 06:01 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 03:56 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> On 170710-23:39+0200, Svante Signell wrote: >>> On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 14:12 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >>>> Hi Svante and everybody! >>>>

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

:39+0200, Svante Signell wrote: >> On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 14:12 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >>> Hi Svante and everybody! >>> >>> (and zap, to whom you right as second person in the email I'm >>> replying to. zap >>> might give useful advice, sin

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/10/2017 06:02 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 17:54 -0400, zap wrote: >> contrib and non-free are unsafe in my opinion... >> >>> #Contains no source files :( >>> deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii-proposed main > Just re

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

contrib and non-free are unsafe in my opinion... On 07/10/2017 05:44 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 15:26 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >> I've opened a topic: >> OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii >> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128 >> and yes I have (one snag

Re: [DNG] You know, isn't ascii being more stable ironic to anyone?

Well I am planning in the near future to learn more about programming, if I learn enough, I will help. but until then, I am of no use except maybe in donations. On 07/10/2017 05:17 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-07-10 15:58, zap wrote: >> >> though actually, one other p

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