Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Rick Moen writes: Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): All those users are being left without any other choice than throwing their hw away by many distributions, without a concrete motivation (well, except the usual "it's old so it must be thrown away", which is as popular as lame these

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul at 2017 07:46:52 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: [...] > And there are a whole bunch of SBC things which still use x86 > processors. Right, you can still buy *new* hardware based on x86 CPUs: http://www.compactpc.com.tw/product.aspx?act=detail=351 Alessandro

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:56:58AM +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote: > Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 00:01]: > > If the machine has >2GB ram, running a 32-bit kernel should be a crime. > > I run 32-bit Devuan on one Core2 machine. Why? I can't get Xerox' > proprietary printer driver for their Phaser 6010N

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sunday, 23-07-2017 um 09:32 Rick Moen wrote: > I commend this. At the same time, you would not use either of those for > a new deployment of any kind, would you? Certainly, you would not > expect any DE to run on them, let alone a modern DE Devuan is likely to > fully support in the

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 at 09:55:32 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: >> They are over 20 years old and runs without Problems :-) > > And make the local retrocomputing club proud of their > accomplishments! :-) However, a real accomplishment would be running a current,

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Hi, this is nothing! On Sunday, den 23-07-2017 at 02:05PM Alessandro Selli wrot: > On 23/07/2017 at 00:51, Rick Moen wrote: > lscpu > Architecture:i686 > CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit > Byte Order: Little Endian > CPU(s): 2 > On-line CPU(s) list: 0,1 > Thread(s) per

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Il giorno Sun, 23 Jul 2017 09:02:08 +0200 Juergen Moebius ha scritto: > Hi, this is nothing! Well, you surely beat my oldies, I must admit! > actually in german city "Leipzig" this two machines runs in an MusicShop: > > 1. a little Faxmachine, running Slackware 8.1:

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sunday, 23-07-2017 um 09:55 Alessandro Selli wrote: > Do you really still use fax-machines in Germany? I thought in Europe only > Italians and Greeks were. In Germany many companies use fax even today. Especially craftsmen and property managers used fax for simple and fast communication.

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:03:32 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who > still own and use historic cars from the last century for example. I still use when travelling (Email and Web browsing) a 2008 vintage EeePC, an the

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 09:02:08AM +0200, Juergen Moebius wrote: > Hi, this is nothing! > > processor : 0 > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family: 5 > model : 4 > model name: Pentium MMX > stepping : 3 > cpu MHz : 165.792 > > processor : 0 >

[DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:50:19AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > you might probably want to have a look at: > > > > http://popcon.devuan.org/ > > > > Whatever the statistical significance of those data, it seems that > > between 15%

[DNG] bloat

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:57:30AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > And, as this thread goes, you're not going to run a bloated DE on such an > underpowered machine, are you? I see no point in running a bloated DE at all. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 00:01]: > What I'm talking about is running i386 on 64-bit-capable CPUs. You can > check that by ｢grep '^flags.*\bnx\b' /proc/cpuinfo｣ or checking the op-mode > field in what lscpu says. > > There's a long list of reasons why that's a bad idea, especially when kernel >

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:29:36PM +0100, Vincent Bentley wrote: > Intel are not the only x86 cpu manufacturer. > > I use a lot of VIA Eden equipped devices (thin-clients) 32-bit, 1+ GHz, > 1GB RAM usually. They run fine on 12v batteries charged by solar, have > no problems being mounted in

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Quoting Juergen Moebius (moeb...@a-k-computer.de): [snip some details of some fine old machines] > They are over 20 years old and runs without Problems :-) I commend this. At the same time, you would not use either of those for a new deployment of any kind, would you? Certainly, you would not

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 at 13:16:01 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 09:02:08AM +0200, Juergen Moebius wrote: >> Hi, this is nothing! >> >> processor: 0 >> vendor_id: GenuineIntel >> cpu family : 5 >> model: 4 >> model name :

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

I think this is getting ridiculous. How did we get from XY was compiled for one architecture by someone who made XY available in his own repo to we should drop support for [random but common other architecture] for all of devuan? Devuan offers a sane alternative to debian without systemd, it is

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 01:37:04AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 01:12:52 +0200 > Dragan FOSS wrote: > > Average yearly income per-capita in Sub-Saharan Africa is $2,041.00 per > year: > > If somebody in Africa manages to cannibalize a few Pentiums, mix and

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20170723115755.sl7bqpxy6yuqy...@angband.pl>: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 01:37:04AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 01:12:52 +0200 > > Dragan FOSS wrote: > > > > Average yearly income per-capita in

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Restoring old gear is an expensive hobby. Poor kids in Africa can't afford > that. Putting together working gear by assembling disparate parts you get from electronic rubbish is free. I did it for a time for a

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Quoting Florian Zieboll (f.zieb...@web.de): > Hallo Rick, > > this may be true from the consumer's point of view, but apparently, the > energy needed to produce a new computer can exceed its lifetime savings > by far. Quote from the German "Umweltbundesamt" (environmental agency): This is

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Sometimes it is a pity having to throw away still working but old hardware. I have two Pentium 4 procecessors one with a functional motherboard that I do not use anymore. The reasons for abandoning them are speed and electricity consumption. Today's Internet requires faster computers to be used

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:10:29AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > > > Restoring old gear is an expensive hobby. Poor kids in Africa can't afford > > that. > > Putting together working gear by assembling disparate

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:35:28 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > I may need to borrow it. Feel free ;) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 16:44:40 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Current parts you get from electronish rubbish are some i5 models, or Core > Duo if your rubbish pool is that old. Remember, I live in Darkest Paraguay, our technorubbish is not all that advanced... Cheers,

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 00:32:11 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > And, by the way, Steve Litt's scenario of Linux expansion in various > Third World countries using scrounged P4 machines is also cheering, > except for the bit about paying for the rather high amount of > electricity

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > Some more: I'm still running 32bit userland even on 64bit machines, > to save some memory. Especially for applications that heavily use > pointers, it does make a notable difference. Yes, the fact that x86_64 (and other

Re: [DNG] reportbug is the stable repository

On 2017-07-21 19:06, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:45:23AM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > > On 2017-07-22 00:23, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > > > Boruch Baum wrote on 21/07/17 23:50: > > > > Where else should I be looking? > > > > > > Perhaps you've set "APT::Default-Release "jessie";" ? >

Re: [DNG] runing old stuff (cars) (Was: [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE)

Rick Moen wrote: >> Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who >> still own and use historic cars from the last century for example. > > The people who still own and use historic cars do so in the knowledge > that, over time, it tends to be an

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

On 23.07.2017 08:56, Hendrik Boom wrote: THere's at least one. My laptop runs an Atom processor. It was the first EEEPC that was completely Linux-compatible without requiring any nonfree drivers, and came out anout a year after the first EEEPC. Some more: I'm still running 32bit userland

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On 23.07.2017 15:16, Florian Zieboll wrote: | The production of a laptop consumes so much energy that for energetic | reasons it is never worthwhile to exchange an old, still functional | device for a new, more energy-efficient device. Funny, as these are exactly the guys who want us to