Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:20:56 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > Don't trust anyone over thirty! > > > > So, I shouldn't ... trust ... myself thinking that systemd is a good > > thing. Got it! > > This is a buried shovel. If you're under 30, you can't know what this > cultural reference was about. You are Jack Weinberg, and I demand my five minutes speechifying in front of Sproul Hall. (Turn on, tune in, drop out!) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:20:56 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > Don't trust anyone over thirty!\ > > > > So, I shouldn't ... trust ... myself thinking that systemd is a good > thing. Got it! This is a buried shovel. If you're under 30, you can't know what this cultural reference was about. SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
On 10/18/2016 01:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: [...] Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :) Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ). Obsolete? Hardly. How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we might as well all go back to Win... No Dan, you miss the point! Veterans should never be listened to, because doing so impedes progress. How can you ever improve if you do it the same way as people with 20 years experience? How much more progressive it is to follow people who have only done it for a couple years. Think of the avenues you'll explore getting their code to work. Think of the clever workarounds you'll be making, in order to fix problems baked in by five generations of yearlings. Think of the user interface possibilities when you throw away all knowledge and make something brand new. Don't trust anyone over thirty! SteveT I myself amd a whitebeard, systemd=borg with a non functioning warp drive (take on flat tire. “We're doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That's what it is to be alive. It's pretty dense kids who haven't figured that out by the time they're ten Most kids can't afford to go to Harvard and be misinformed.” ― Kurt Vonnegut, Bluebeard ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
On 10/18/2016 01:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > >> On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards >> >> Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ). Obsolete? Hardly. >> >> How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because >> seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we >> might as well all go back to Win... > > [...] > > Think of the clever workarounds you'll be making, in > order to fix problems baked in by five generations of yearlings. Think > of the user interface possibilities when you throw away all knowledge > and make something brand new. You mean like trying to figure out how to gut systemd and install something sane? (aside - thanks to all you guys who're way better at this than I am, so I'm not shoe-horned into a systemd box, or trying to resolve dependency hell while trying to rip it out.) > > Don't trust anyone over thirty!\ > So, I shouldn't ... trust ... myself thinking that systemd is a good thing. Got it! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :) > > Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ). Obsolete? Hardly. > > How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because > seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we > might as well all go back to Win... No Dan, you miss the point! Veterans should never be listened to, because doing so impedes progress. How can you ever improve if you do it the same way as people with 20 years experience? How much more progressive it is to follow people who have only done it for a couple years. Think of the avenues you'll explore getting their code to work. Think of the clever workarounds you'll be making, in order to fix problems baked in by five generations of yearlings. Think of the user interface possibilities when you throw away all knowledge and make something brand new. Don't trust anyone over thirty! SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
Funny thing, it was same week as Splunk2016, so many systemd haters would be in Orlando, so as not to disturb the Lennart love-fest. SWS On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :) > > Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ). Obsolete? Hardly. > > How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because > seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we > might as well all go back to Win... > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > > [...] > > Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :) Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ). Obsolete? Hardly. How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because seriously, if pottering et. al. are supposed to be the teachers, we might as well all go back to Win... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
On 18 October 2016 at 13:49, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2016 18 Oct 03:10 -0500, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > > Apparently systemd is having a conference in a week in Berlin. Looking at > > the schedule ( https://cfp.systemd.io/en/systemdconf_2016/public/ > schedule/0 ) > > is, I think, helpful for us to see what's happening in the systemd > > universe. Also it's not surprising to see that Redhat is the main > > sponsor. > > According to the way I read the schedule, this has already taken place > about three weeks ago, Sept 28 through Oct 1. > > At the end of Day 2 was a forum, "Talking to systemd from a Web > Browser". Uhhh, wut? That was preceeded by, "Automotive startup and > device management". Uhh, nope, not for me. > > I wonder when they discussed rounding up and reeducating all the Unix > gray beards? > > - Nate > > > Yes, I misread the dates. Tobias kindly sent me the links to the presentations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUUbFGNZ1vI (state of the union, portable services) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zN0b6BfgLY (bus1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnnL1GCioKY (resolved) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgOV5rAe6xQ (networkd) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uYkW1K0wxo (wireless daemon) I watched a few of them, and I recommend you to watch the state of the union(!) video, especially the last part of it. You can download services from the internet (Lennart claims it will be sandboxed and secure), or you can start services with -H hostname on a another server a bit like a ssh root@hostname "systemdctl start xxx" kind of a thing. And I find those alarming and a bit pointless. Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :) -- aldemir ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemdconf
* On 2016 18 Oct 03:10 -0500, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > Apparently systemd is having a conference in a week in Berlin. Looking at > the schedule ( https://cfp.systemd.io/en/systemdconf_2016/public/schedule/0 ) > is, I think, helpful for us to see what's happening in the systemd > universe. Also it's not surprising to see that Redhat is the main > sponsor. According to the way I read the schedule, this has already taken place about three weeks ago, Sept 28 through Oct 1. At the end of Day 2 was a forum, "Talking to systemd from a Web Browser". Uhhh, wut? That was preceeded by, "Automotive startup and device management". Uhh, nope, not for me. I wonder when they discussed rounding up and reeducating all the Unix gray beards? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng