Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:36:34 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20161017083634.ga8...@angband.pl>: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an > > > accomplished Linux geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's > > > not real well-off financially, so his two computers are old i386 > > > laptops donated by friends. > > > > > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > > > which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK > > Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at > > least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. > > That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. ..if _all_ else fails, try https://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ on a 3.5", 5.25" etc diskette or on the boot drive and follow the recipe in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManager ..might even boot 8086 boxes, but I doubt it works on EFI boxes. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/17/2016 03:36 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: >> Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It >> might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is >> an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want >> to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for >> him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything! > > Does Refracta build its packages itself? Or does it just copy them > from Devuan, which copies them from Debian? > > If it copies, it is likely not to be a i486 issue. > > -- hendrik > Refracta uses the Devuan main repository. The packages don't get changed in any way. As I mentioned in another post, Refracta and Devuan are using the same Debian kernel. Can anyone tell us what commands/options are used in making the Devuan isos? (xorriso, genisoimage, mkisofs?) Speaking of booting everything, someone brought an old PII laptop to a LUG meeting. He was trying to install linux on it and not having any luck. We were able to boot my refracta(wheezy) usb stick on it and install the system. It worked great until I blew away the plop bootloader by installing grub. :o -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It > might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is > an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want > to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for > him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything! Does Refracta build its packages itself? Or does it just copy them from Devuan, which copies them from Debian? If it copies, it is likely not to be a i486 issue. -- hendrik > > On my computer, I've gotten Refracta to do everything I need, with the > exception of typing in Chinese (I live in Taiwan, remember). Actually, I > can type Chinese just fine in Refracta by using Emacs, but I'm thinking > that for non-Emacs users, it would be good if I could get one of the > Chinese input daemons working (ie scim, ibus or gcin) but that's an issue > for another day. > > Again, thanks for all the help. I'm going to bed (almost midnight in my > time zone). > > cheers, > Robert > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for him to use Refracta, which seems to boot everything! On my computer, I've gotten Refracta to do everything I need, with the exception of typing in Chinese (I live in Taiwan, remember). Actually, I can type Chinese just fine in Refracta by using Emacs, but I'm thinking that for non-Emacs users, it would be good if I could get one of the Chinese input daemons working (ie scim, ibus or gcin) but that's an issue for another day. Again, thanks for all the help. I'm going to bed (almost midnight in my time zone). cheers, Robert ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/17/2016 06:29 AM, fsmithred wrote: > On 10/16/2016 11:05 PM, Robert Storey wrote: >> >> In order to install, he downloaded file(s): >> >> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso >> >> and >> >> devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso >> >> Installed to a usb stick as follows: >> >> dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M >> sync >> >> But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, > > > The Devuan isos are already isohybrid, and they boot from usb here. I > don't know why the Refracta isos work for you but the Devuan don't. > > Here's the xorriso command used to make the Refracta isos. I don't know > what Devuan uses. > > xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \ > -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \ > -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin > -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \ > -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot \ > -e boot/grub/efiboot.img -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -no-emul-boot \ > -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/ > > > -fsr > Correction: The i386 Refracta iso was made without the uefi options and looks like this: xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \ -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \ -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \ -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table \ -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/ Robert, When you say it won't boot, what actually happens? Do you get as far as the boot menu? Does it start to load the kernel? If you can get past the boot menu at all, then press TAB at the boot menu and remove 'quiet' from the command. Maybe it will give some useful information on screen. -fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
Sorry, On 10/17/2016 02:54 AM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi, On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > >geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > >so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > >devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > >which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK >Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at >least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. Yes..., but it really depends on the version of the kernel. 4.7.x uses i686 and i686-pae, and 3.16.x uses i586 and i686-pae The trouble might be also in the phisical address extension (PAE), if the computer hasn't this feature. Cheers, The subject :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On 10/16/2016 11:05 PM, Robert Storey wrote: > > In order to install, he downloaded file(s): > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > and > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso > > Installed to a usb stick as follows: > > dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M > sync > > But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, The Devuan isos are already isohybrid, and they boot from usb here. I don't know why the Refracta isos work for you but the Devuan don't. Here's the xorriso command used to make the Refracta isos. I don't know what Devuan uses. xorriso -as mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long -l \ -isohybrid-mbr /path/to/isohdpfx.bin \ -partition_offset 16 -V "snapshot-live-cd" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \ -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -eltorito-alt-boot \ -e boot/grub/efiboot.img -isohybrid-gpt-basdat -no-emul-boot \ -o "$snapshot_dir"/"$filename" iso/ -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:36:34AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > > > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off > > > financially, > > > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > > > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > > > which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK > > Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at > > least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. > > That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. > Thanks for pointing that out, Adam. I remembered something about i686, and it was the wrong thing :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. > > > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK > Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at > least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. That's unstable; for jessie the minimum requirement for i386 is 586. -- A MAP07 (Dead Simple) raspberry tincture recipe: 0.5l 95% alcohol, 1kg raspberries, 0.4kg sugar; put into a big jar for 1 month. Filter out and throw away the fruits (can dump them into a cake, etc), let the drink age at least 3-6 months. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux > geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, > so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. Neither of > these machines has a workable CD or DVD drive (ie one is a netbook and thus > no built-in DVD drive, the other has a DVD burner but is broken). Of > course, both machines have USB2 ports and can boot off of these. > > In order to install, he downloaded file(s): > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso > > and > > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST.iso > > Installed to a usb stick as follows: > > dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M > sync > > But neither machine will boot either of these installed ISO files, even > after fiddling with BIOS parameters. However, at my suggestion he also Hi Robert, which CPU is that old laptop you are trying to boot from? AFAIK Devuan/Debian is compiled for i686, which means it would require at least a Pentium Pro/Pentium III. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
